Apparently Trump just announced a ceasefire on Truth Social…if true, it’s been a clinical exercise. Still have to hear from the Iranians, but apparently they sent warnings about their retaliation, designed to save lives. That might suggest a desire to avoid further conflict
The Iranian leaders must realise they will end up 100 feet under alongside the bunker busters.
If there is any Western leader they should fear, it is Trump. He is more like them than Western politicians, but with the best military in the world.
It does mean that future Iranian nuclear sites will have to be either banned or bombed sooner rather than later.
In a post on Truth Social, president Trump claims a 12-hr ceasefire between Israel and Iran has been reached. The ceasefire, he says, will begin in 6 hours.
He writes:
CONGRATULATIONS TO EVERYONE! It has been fully agreed by and between Israel and Iran that there will be a Complete and Total CEASEFIRE (in approximately 6 hours from now, when Israel and Iran have wound down and completed their in progress, final missions!), for 12 hours, at which point the War will be considered, ENDED!
Officially, Iran will start the CEASEFIRE and, upon the 12th Hour, Israel will start the CEASEFIRE and, upon the 24th Hour, an Official END to THE 12 DAY WAR will be saluted by the World. During each CEASEFIRE, the other side will remain PEACEFUL and RESPECTFUL. On the assumption that everything works as it should, which it will, I would like to congratulate both Countries, Israel and Iran, on having the Stamina, Courage, and Intelligence to end, what should be called, “THE 12 DAY WAR.” This is a War that could have gone on for years, and destroyed the entire Middle East, but it didn’t, and never will! God bless Israel, God bless Iran, God bless the Middle East, God bless the United States of America, and GOD BLESS THE WORLD!”
Batshit
Batshit that will end up in ending of Wars for the next decade at least and that consist of an agreement of Middle East stabilization and peace in Ukraine as well. Leaders are aware if they misbehave an early death is what they can expect to happen.
Any leader misbehaving knows he will regret it afterwards.
'Apparently Trump just announced a ceasefire on Truth Social…if true..'
Why wouldn't it be? hahahaha
That being said, Trump fulfilled what was required, for that, I offer my commendation.
A fair and balanced cease fire with a difference of 12 hours. It looks promising for the rest.
Not simply for the sake of contrarianism, but how is everybody so sure that all the Iranian nuclear sites are destroyed?
Are Iran unable to keep the location of their nuclear sites a secret even in light of more compact centrifugal technologies?
Zelensky's happy as well ... hoping that there will now be fewer of em deadly Shahed drones heading their way.
Not simply for the sake of contrarianism, but how is everybody so sure that all the Iranian nuclear sites are destroyed?
Are Iran unable to keep the location of their nuclear sites a secret even in light of more compact centrifugal technologies?
Well no one knows for. Regarding the underground site the American's hit, no one actually know how effective the strike was.
There is also the matter that there is satellite footage from a few days before the strike of a fleet of trucks at the same facility. It's possible the Iranian's moved the already enriched Uranium or some of it else where.
Zelensky's happy as well ... hoping that there will now be fewer of em deadly Shahed drones heading their way
From my understanding of it, the Russian's now manufacturer them in Russia and have done so for the last year or so, so unfortunately for Ukraine, its probably not going help them there.
It appears Iran is still attacking Israel, but they could be separate factions within Iran, rather than the leadership.
Iran had to respond in some way, just to save face locally and internationally, but they let all and sundry know when, how and where they were going to strike, so it really meant nothing at all..... very much like they did a few years ago as well.
I honestly can't see many people disagreeing with what Trump just did, given the enormous consequences or repercussions of Iran having nuclear weapons
I also read that Mossad recently individually directly contacted all the top brass in Iran saying that they had 12 hours to get their families out of Iran, or be killed immediately.... and also mentioning their specific members of their families.....some of them were told that "we have agents that are closer to you than your neck vein"....
Quite a choice of words....
"It appears Iran is still attacking Israel"
Yep, no more ceasefire, Israel intercepted two missiles from Iran this morning, so they are now retaliating with sending some of their own.
War continues .... but now I see Iran are denying they sent any missiles....
You just never really know who to believe in war
It's just a little face saving.
Iran don't really want the smoke.
Stav
You obviously do not know that the Ayatollah regime in Iran is cruel and unpopular - which accounts for Trump even know exactly where the Ayatollah is hiding. The fact is that the situation is that the USA knows every move the Ayatollah regime is making and they know that the regime iself is in deep shit - so now they want to negotiate to try and save heir own skins.
It the USA and Israeli attacks were unsccessful they would not have run to Putin for help - Putin said he cant help them they must try and reach an agreement with Trump. Trump could by now have blown up the whole Government in Iran - but he stated clearly that the citizes of Iran must decide on their own Government.
The other problem is the Ayatollah regime is not reliable as well - they promise one thing and do another is also possible, However - signs are that they have learned a bitter lesson over the last two weeks and may behave differently in future,
As to Zelenskyy he is back in Washington for meeting with Trump. Whena sked about the issue in an interiew he would not comment ofn poential discussions - fearing that he will get kicked out again and that will be the end of his dictaotrship in Ukraine, Zelenskyy has a problem himself - he cannot negotiate an end to the war since an election will then have to be held for a new President and his chances of winning are zero.minus.
The reason why Zelenskyy is clear - he needs financial help which he will not get. He is in a hopeless position anyway. Trump will tell him what is to go into peace deal - accept it or no further help is forthcoming. He always was Governing Ukraine as a puppet of the Biden Administration - that ended in January 2025. - but he had one other ace as to Biden and his managers, They were corrupt and Zelenskyy had proof of that, so both the USA and Ukraine was governed by corruption and Trump will have none of it,
Trump has taken a few pages from the Nixon's textbook without figuring out the world has changed a lot. Wreaking havoc while appearing as an island of stability works when you are the one wreaking havoc and no one else can pretend to be an island of stability.
Israel has proven so far they know how to wreak havoc in a way the US can not jugulate. And Trump as he has betrayed the MAGA crowd has to be watchful as unrest from the opposition is one thing, unrest from your own camp is something else.
Pressure points are increasing on Trump, he has made people lose big money and people who are not like the MAGA crowd but people who can hold him accountable. And the escalatation of the conflict could mean shutting down the strait, more money to be lost and therefore boots on the ground to stabilize the situation and a longer conflict. Trump has to throw a bone to the MAGA crowd and a swiftly resolved conflict is one of them. So instead of letting Israel lead the dance and put Trump in a more delicate place, Trump has tried to end the party but indeed, it seems people still want to dance.
The question is to know if the US will take into account the strikes, the US may bite the bullet. By all means, part of the iranians have vested interests in overthrowing the Iranian regime, they have collaborated to the various Israeli strikes and they may be the same who have launched on Israel.
Trump has already made the liberal camp lose a lot of things.
Iran had to respond in some way, just to save face locally and internationally,
Liberals have a hard time wrapping their mind about no longer being the world. Not only they are declining in importance, but there is a growing conviction that a part of the world would do much better if they manage to reduce their exchanges with the liberal world. The liberal world would sink big time but the other part of the world would skyrocket.
Iran has not been saving the face, they have been very cautious to stick by the rule of the law as liberals claim it should be. There is an inverted front right now, the liberal nations are dishing the rule of law while the rogue nations are the ones pushing it in the front. As sold by liberals, the rule of law is supposed to work first for people who abide by it and not for people who do not. Trump has been battering the liberal world order as no one. And liberal nations are the ones initiating things which gives more strength to the destruction of their own liberal principles.
Trump's messages are golden. Guy is a liberal genius, no doubt about that. The beacon of the free world.
I see some preliminary damage assessment reports indicate that 2 of the 3 facilities were not destroyed and that the strikes only set back the Iranian nuclear program by a couple of months and it also appears that the previously enriched uranium was already moved else where before the US strike.
Which leaves the question will we be back in the same position in a few months time?
The non destruction of the stockpile was surely the likely outcome. The question is whether they still have the centrifuges to upgrade it to the 90% enriched state needed for nuclear weapons.
And it is rather amazing to see all the talking heads who were adamantly against the strike now complaining it didn’t go far enough.
The success of the strike is impossible to judge if you don’t have boots on the ground in Iran…so the best indication the rest of the world will get may be changes in Iranian behaviour. So far the quick move to a cease fire suggests they are paying attention.
Well the strike proved that America is capable of sending bombers halfway around the world and back without being detected by Iran, Russia or China...and they hit their targets...that alone would make America's enemies very nervous...this was a statement...probably more intended for Putin ...and Xi than for Iran.
Stav
If you think the present Iran Government can do anything withot the USA ad Israel knowing it you must have your head read, Mossat has a huge network of Iran regime haters feeding them reliable info, The CIA did not really know what was and is going on until recently.
Ybder the Biden Regieme more than 1 000 illegal migrants with links to the Yaytollah regime and vanished - were released into the USA and the FBI is now desperate to find out what they were up to in the USA.
Another blatant example of liberalized speech, it is how it is mandatory to require a framework for anything as liberals always redress anything in order to avoid admitting blatant outcomes. It shows how much liberalism is all about submission. Liberals want people to submit. The chronology happened on the course of a few days, people must have no memory at all to accept liberal words at face value. Trump announced complete success and the obliteration of the nuclear sites. Intelligence reports suggest otherwise and now Trump is announcing that the sites are completely destroyed. That is a land of confusion. It is all part of the plan.
Again, stated many times now, liberals have been stacked up forces so they will kill hundreds of millions people. One force among many others is that war is no longer a means to achieve political goals, war is the goal, liberals want war for the sake of war. They want to kill, they want to destroy.
Well the strike proved that America is capable of sending bombers halfway around the world and back without being detected by Iran, Russia or China...and they hit their targets...that alone would make America's enemies very nervous...
Dehumanization is part of liberalism. Russians (supposed to be white people by the way), Chinese are supposed to be so stupid, beyond what a human being not affected by medical cognitive deficiencies is to understand the advantage left by liberals being the driving force behind colonization and globalization. It does not look that way, they have shown they know the tremendous advantage of the US and other liberal nations having military bases peppered sprayed all around the world. If ever the intelligence report is correct, it is a massive fiasco and the failure for the US military technology. Other people have noticed.
So far the quick move to a cease fire suggests they are paying attention.
No. There is nothing changed. Iran has played the card of the law just as they have done so far. This kind of reaction shows how much liberals do not believe in their own words. Liberals claim the success of their society has been the result of various tenets etc while they are dismissing the said tenets.
Liberals nations have sought their own benefits outside the rule of law while Iran has sought their own benefit under the rule of law. The worst case scenario to demonstrate that the rule of law does not work.
"this was a statement...probably more intended for Putin ...and Xi than for Iran"
I fully agree, this was a very indirect but clear statement letting Putin and Xi know what they are capable of doing.
Those B2's could also have carried numerous nuclear missle options inside their bomb bays, to thwart any detection as well.....
The non destruction of the stockpile was surely the likely outcome. The question is whether they still have the centrifuges to upgrade it to the 90% enriched state needed for nuclear weapons.
Well the assessment is that the damage done can be repaired in a couple of months so I would assume that mean's getting the centrifuges back up and running. I've no idea whether they thought they could get the stockpile.
And it is rather amazing to see all the talking heads who were adamantly against the strike now complaining it didn’t go far enough.
It's not amazing. The talking heads as you call them had several concerns, the primary one being the strikes were illegal under international law, the window for diplomacy was not yet closed and the strikes could be the trigger for a wider regional war and that you're risking that on a strike that may not even be effective.
The success of the strike is impossible to judge if you don’t have boots on the ground in Iran
Exactly which is why the talking head in chief Trump shouldn't have made the claims about the strikes effectiveness when he announced the strikes had occurred.
so the best indication the rest of the world will get may be changes in Iranian behaviour. So far the quick move to a cease fire suggests they are paying attention.
Iran's action with its advanced warning of its attack on a US base and its acceptance of a ceasefire indicates the regime is not suicidal, they know Israel alone never mind the US completely out matches them and they seem to have no desire to go down in flames, which is exactly what would happen to them if they launched of possible even attempted to launch a nuclear weapon at Israel.
Well the strike proved that America is capable of sending bombers halfway around the world and back without being detected by Iran, Russia or China...and they hit their targets
"this was a statement...probably more intended for Putin ...and Xi than for Iran"
Emm no it doesn't. They have had the capability of sending stealth bombers halfway round the world and back for decades. The question of whether China or Russia could detect and then shoot them down is still an open question. China and Russia have far more capable anti air defences than Iran's an air defence system that Israel had already significantly degraded. Even if the US could pull successfully pull off such an attack on China or Russia, China and Russia have nuclear missiles capable of hitting the US in retaliation, so it's unlikely the US would use that option pre-emptively.
Trump got played into the strikes by Netanyahu. Wasn't any grand strategic vision behind it.
I agree regarding the capability to do it, but this is the very first operational use of this GBU-57 bunker buster
The act itself may not have been to send a direct message to Putin or Xi, but I believe the detailed description of how this attack was achieved, which was then relayed to all the world's media, was done to send a clear message to other countries about what they are capable of doing.
I am not saying this is fact, but it is my opinion that this is why they released the very detailed step by step breakdown and information that they did, on how they achieved the results that they did in Iran without a single shot being fired back.
I do agree that the US would not use this option pre-emptively, but it still served a purpose in sending a very distinct message to everyone.
Stav
A few questions please:-
Well the assessment is that the damage done can be repaired in a couple of months so I would assume that mean's getting the centrifuges back up and running. I've no idea whether they thought they could get the stockpile.
Who did the assessment and what is the assessment based on?
It's not amazing. The talking heads as you call them had several concerns, the primary one being the strikes were illegal under international law, the window for diplomacy was not yet closed and the strikes could be the trigger for a wider regional war and that you're risking that on a strike that may not even be effective.
Why was the strkes illegal and what made them illegal? Is it the first time that strategy not being usd in and by any country?
Exactly which is why the talking head in chief Trump shouldn't have made the claims about the strikes effectiveness when he announced the strikes had occurred.
Is this proven. The US Gvernment obviously had more inormatin t han anybody else as to detailed strike success than anybody else h ad - - so whaat have you seen in real evidence to make the claim
Emm no it doesn't. They have had the capability of sending stealth bombers halfway round the world and back for decades. The question of whether China or Russia could detect and then shoot them down is still an open question. China and Russia have far more capable anti air defences than Iran's an air defence system that Israel had already significantly degraded. Even if the US could pull successfully pull off such an attack on China or Russia, China and Russia have nuclear missiles capable of hitting the US in retaliation, so it's unlikely the US would use that option pre-emptively.
Trump got played into the strikes by Netanyahu. Wasn't any grand strategic vision behind it.
There is something amiss here. Trump started negotiations with Iran and gave hem 60 days to deal with te issue f discontinuation of nuclear arms development and stop funding and supporting terrorism worldwide, Iran was gien 60 days to agree to the two mentioned conditions, When an announcement was made by teh Ayatollah that theya are not ging to top the above - it was clear to anybody with half a brain that there would be complications. Trump has one thing lacking by most politicians - when he said he is going to do something he does, Putin and Xi know it as well - they found that out years ago when he was President previously and it became pronounced and it was even clearer when he was inaugurated in January 2025, Netanhaju is not thinking for him as you implied, Fact is that he told Netanhaju to behave using a profanity to warn him and he surrendered immediately and all planes attacking Iran was called back all planes about to do strikes again in Iran. And Iran ran for cover as well and said they are complying with the ceasefire agreement.
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but this is the very first operational use of this GBU-57 bunker buster
The thing is we don't know if they were actually effective. From my understanding those weapons are designed to penetrate down through 60 metres, but one of Iran's site was 80 metres down, hence the US using multiple GBU-57.
It sounds like it was partially effective. That wasn't fully effective wasn't really the fault of the weapon and as it was used to strike a target beyond it's designed capabilities, but it does raise questions on the viability of using multiple bombs to achieve greater depth penetration.
The Chinese and Russian could conclude if they have really sensitive sites they don't want hit they simply need to put them deeper underground.
The act itself may not have been to send a direct message to Putin or Xi, but I believe the detailed description of how this attack was achieved, which was then relayed to all the world's media, was done to send a clear message to other countries about what they are capable of doing.
I am not saying this is fact, but it is my opinion that this is why they released the very detailed step by step breakdown and information that they did, on how they achieved the results that they did in Iran without a single shot being fired back.
Well Iran not firing shots back at them is not that impressive, considering Iran's air defence system was already largely destroyed. Even if was still operational from what I've read it couldn't detect the much shorter range Israeli F-35's. As for the B2 bombers themselves its stealth, range and payload capabilities have been known and demonstrated multiple times in the past.
"It sounds like it was partially effective. That wasn't fully effective wasn't really the fault of the weapon and as it was used to strike a target beyond it's designed capabilities, but it does raise questions on the viability of using multiple bombs to achieve greater depth penetration."
We will probably never know, but if just one more GBU-57 bomb had to land not too long after one has already just landed, by a follow up plane in formation, then I can imagine massive damage occuring
"The Chinese and Russian could conclude if they have really sensitive sites they don't want hit they simply need to put them deeper underground."
Agreed
"Well Iran not firing shots back at them is not that impressive, considering Iran's air defence system was already largely destroyed. Even if was still operational from what I've read it couldn't detect the much shorter range Israeli F-35's. As for the B2 bombers themselves its stealth, range and payload capabilities have been known and demonstrated multiple times in the past."
Yep, but it was still the perfect opportunity to let your opposition and the rest of the world, know just how good, reliable and effective your military is.
We will probably never know, but if just one more GBU-57 bomb had to land not too long after one has already just landed, by a follow up plane in formation, then I can imagine massive damage occuring
We might know eventually. I was just dubious of Trump's claims when he annouced the strikes, their was literally no way he could know at that point.
Yep, but it was still the perfect opportunity to let your opposition and the rest of the world, know just how good, reliable and effective your military is.
Well yeah, but we kinda already knew the US military is without peers. To be honest they only military that can give them trouble is China. While the US is militarily superior to China, any likely conflict between them is probably going to be over Taiwan and what we don't know if that if China's close proximity to Taiwan is enough of an advantage to China that it offsets the US's technical superiority.
Those B2's could also have carried numerous nuclear missle options inside their bomb bays, to thwart any detection as well.....
Excellent. It shows how liberals are disconnected from any humane consideration. Large mass slaughters coming up.
Iran's action with its advanced warning of its attack on a US base and its acceptance of a ceasefire indicates the regime is not suicidal, they know Israel alone never mind the US completely out matches them and they seem to have no desire to go down in flames, which is exactly what would happen to them if they launched of possible even attempted to launch a nuclear weapon at Israel.
What a bizarre statement. Liberals seldom expose explicitly the pattern of thoughts that allow them to reach a conclusion they make. Israel military requires the support of the US. Thinking of Israel military as an independent entity from the US military leads to incorrect statements. Now Iran has accepted the cease fire. What would they have not? The question is about Israel that accepted the cease fire despite non conclusive results. Any thing to back it up? Israel is depicted as outmatching Iran so what are the causes leading them to stop? Liberals have nothing in store. When their disputes are read, they make no sense.
Stav
We might know eventually. I was just dubious of Trump's claims when he annouced the strikes, their was literally no way he could know at that point.
By the way it is now clear where the info about repairs within 3 months came from. It came from CNN in an [nterview with Brennan - as an intelligent source, Brendan is an infamous amd proven liar - he went to Kiev 4 times in the period September 2013 to January 2014 to take funds and co-ordinate wth the Ukraine lot invovled in the coup in 2014, He was and is a master in disinformation and lying and was fired by Trump in 2017 for his involvement in the Russian Hoax. Before 2020 election when the Hunter Laptop story hit the news - he claimed in a letter made public that it was Russian disinformation - another lie since the FBI and CIA knew it was not, Anything coming from Brennan is the same as what is coming from Comey with his 8647 BS.
In any event you have doubts about everything Trump is involved in - a severe case of TDS and not a single thing you wrote on site is not bssed on lies and deception connected to prejudice and hatred of Trump. Have you ever been right on anything concerning the USA with Trump as President?
You being dubious - LMAO
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I can't tell who makes dumber posts, Trad or Mike.
Israel military requires the support of the US. Thinking of Israel military as an independent entity from the US military leads to incorrect statements.
It's true that the Israeli military do require the support of the US to operate, most of their equipment comes from the US. But Israel's government retains operational control of its military and carries out actions independently of the US, frequently carrying out operation's that the US does not approve of but for political considerations doesn't criticize Israel for.
Suggesting they are the same entity is just stupid conspiracy theory talk.
Israel is depicted as outmatching Iran so what are the causes leading them to stop?
Because of political considerations. Trump was effectively able to strike Iran and he appears to have got away with it with minimal consequences so far. Iran's telegraphed attack on the American's was a signal to the American's that Iran doesn't want to fight with them, allowing Trump an off ramp (he acted tough on Iran, but avoided getting the US dragged into a larger conflict). Trump likely then told the Israeli's to stop and take the ceasefire . While Israel has a great deal of influence over the US they can't push their luck too hard. Trump appeared genuinely annoyed with Israel yesterday over their strikes on Iran after the ceasefire was announced, and there is reports that he had how should one put it a very blunt and direct conversation with Netanyahu.
When their disputes are read, they make no sense.
Your posts make no sense at any stage and are absolutely painful to read. You come across as a very early stage alpha of a A.I chatbot.
Quick. Never stated that the US military and the israeli military were the same entity. The Israeli military depends on the US military for vital issues like supplying of military equipment. They could not even starve to death the Gazza strip without the US military support.
The second part contradicts the first one.
But Israel's government retains operational control of its military and carries out actions independently of the US, frequently carrying out operation's that the US does not approve of but for political considerations doesn't criticize Israel for.
While Israel has a great deal of influence over the US they can't push their luck too hard. Trump appeared genuinely annoyed with Israel yesterday over their strikes on Iran after the ceasefire was announced,
The Iranian counter strike fell in the same line as all the previous ones: proportionate. Iran sticks to the law for reasons.
Your posts make no sense at any stage and are absolutely painful to read. You come across as a very early stage alpha of a A.I chatbot.
So enjoyable. Liberals have a deep sense of entitlement. Already stated and employed a method: provide a framework. People speak and then one sees. On this board, one person stated in the past that Trump's ways of negotiating in the ME were very promising, that he could involve the US in a war. And what happened. Trump involved the US in a war. Who cares about liberals say? Especially when things are predicted.
Another prediction just made earlier: the inability for the US to take into account the initial non respect of the cease fire. And what happened? The US have brushed it off because they could not take it into account. So enjoyable.
"We might know eventually"
I actually hope we do, to see if Trump is either lying, exaggerating, or telling the truth, all things he has done in the past
"but we kinda already knew the US military is without peers"
Yes, but with the Taiwan and Putin invasion constantly making the daily news, the opportunity to show your strengths should never go amiss.... any leader would and should jump at it
Mossat has a huge network of Iran regime haters feeding them reliable info, The CIA did not really know what was and is going on until recently.
Probably correct. The main problem though is that liberal nations have proven untrustworthy and with unclear objectives. The iranian regime sticks to the law for multiple purposes, one is to show that the liberal nations are not reliable. What would Iran get from joining the liberal side? Could they develop nuclear weapons? Could they ignore the law as liberal nations do? Repression is going to ramp up as a follow up of liberal nations' duplicity. It will be easy to paint any opposition as being anti Iranian,as the US and co have made any opposition look like anti Iranian. It appears that getting nuclear weapons and developing military technology in general is going to be a national cause, that will go beyond any divide among Iranians.
We might know eventually. I was just dubious of Trump's claims when he annouced the strikes, their was literally no way he could know at that point.
But you actually are believing a leaked report from an anonymous source. You believe what you wish to believe…..Trump bad man..little men in suits…heroes.
Iran have now come out and publicly stated that all their nuclear site were "badly damaged" from "significant impacts"....