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Started by Stavanger115 REPLIES249 VIEWS· 18 Jun 2026, 20:46
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Stavanger1
Pro4,532 posts
18 Jun 2026, 20:46#1

Two pretty awful things where reported in the news today in the UK.


The first was the sentencing of two men, one for life with no chance of release and the other 25 years.

The two men were partners and were sentenced for the murder of 13 month year old boy they had adopted. They also physical and sexual abused the child. Absolutely horrific stuff.


Needless to say all the major news channels and papers in the UK are covering the story.


In another story from today a 30 year old man from Norfolk has been arrested at a Zoo in the UK for attempted murder following an incident in which a 3 year old child ended up in alligator enclosure and sustained serious injuries (though now he is no in a stable condition). The man is not believed to have known the boy.


Now while I'm sure we can all agree the people responsible in both cases are evil bastards that deserve long sentences.


In the case of the two men arrested for the murder of the 13 month old child they were both white men. The ethnicity of the person in the 2nd case is not yet known.


The question I have is where is the outrage. Where the are the meme posts, trolling anti racism initiatives or blaming it on wokeness... where are the right wing politicians with their outrage and calls for cold blooded rage... where are the far right rioters trashing up the streets...where are the calls online that something must be done before it's too late.


Of course there is none. Yes on the comments section of newspapers that allow commenting there is outrage at what these men did. But there is no calling for riots or demanding the government must do something. The right wing newspapers for example are covering the story... but will they keep coming back to the story over the coming days and weeks like they have done so often over the crimes committed by immigrants or refugees? No they won't this story will fade out of the public conscious in a few days.


Depending on ethnicity of the man arrested today for the incident at the Zoo, we will likely have one of two very different responses. If he turns out to be white, the story will be covered for a day or two in the media and then again when the person's trial starts but that's it. You won't hear more about it. If it turns out he's from a minority ethnicity or a refugee... watch as the story blows up...Elon Musk starts tweeting about it...and the far right wing gobshites will come out of the woodwork to exploit the situation.


Another interesting thing I saw online was that a caller into LBC brought up a point about the recent riots following the attempted beheading of man. They pointed out that in the last 6 years in Northern Ireland 30 women have been murdered. Not once did these result in the same sense of outrage that the recent cases involving the death of Henry Nowak and the beheading attempt in NI... why because the perpetrators were all white men.


And one final last point to note. Today I also seen an interesting article about the perception of crime in Western Europe. Polling done in Germany, France, Spain, Italy, Denmark and the UK shows a majority of citizens in those countries think crime has gone up. France and Italy think its gone up a lot. In all those country crime has been trending downwards since 2000. There is quite a few different reasons for why people perceive crime to be going up when actually it's coming down and yes certain categories of crimes like fraud are up, but violent crime is lower. It's interesting that western Europe's violent crime rate was higher at a time when we had very few migrants relative to now.


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Xavi
Pro1,924 posts
18 Jun 2026, 21:13#2

"Another interesting thing I saw online was that a caller into LBC brought up a point about the recent riots"


This explains alot.

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Xavi
Pro1,924 posts
18 Jun 2026, 21:17#3

Also in the case of poor Preston, I've only seen anger and condemnation from both sides of the politacal spectrum for those two evil fucks. I'd vote for bringing the death penalty back for animals like them although that might be too easy on em.

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bobbok...
Captain10,129 posts
18 Jun 2026, 22:18#4

Another interesting thing I saw online was that a caller into LBC brought up a point about the recent riots following the attempted beheading of man. They pointed out that in the last 6 years in Northern Ireland 30 women have been murder. Not once did these result in the same sense of outrage that the recent cases involving the death of Henry Nowak and the beheading attempt in NI... why because the perpetrators were all white men.


don't quote half a sentence ......


shame on you

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Stavanger1
Pro4,532 posts
18 Jun 2026, 23:26#5

Also in the case of poor Preston, I've only seen anger and condemnation from both sides of the politacal spectrum for those two evil fucks. I'd vote for bringing the death penalty back for animals like them although that might be too easy on em.


I'm not saying that both sides of the political spectrum won't condemn the crime they absolutely will... but the discourse around it is not the same. It doesn't stir up the internet discourse, it won't have have as many opinion pieces written on it and it will fall out of the news cycle quicker.


The next time a migrant is responsible for a serious crime in the UK, you can be sure that newspapers on the right and the internet discourse will reference the death of Mr Nowak, the attempted beheading and the other crimes of immigrants or asylum seekers. These crimes while not linked become associated with each other which reinforces this idea of violent immigrants posing an outside risk to UK society. Meanwhile 30 women murdered over a 6 year period in Northern Ireland are just seen as 30 individual murders that says nothing about UK society.

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Xavi
Pro1,924 posts
21 Jun 2026, 12:10#6

Cry more bob.


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Stavanger1
Pro4,532 posts
21 Jun 2026, 12:50#7

Cry more bob.


That's a very thought provoking and well articulated counter argument indeed.


I see a 30 year old white man has been arrested in Edinburgh yesterday over what appears to be an Islamophobic attack that left 5 people injured.


But you will hear little more than crickets about that one.




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Denny
Captain12,893 posts
21 Jun 2026, 13:06#8

It reminds me of a white magistrate during Apartheid who once said that when a white man rapes a black woman, it’s not as bad as when a black man rapes a white woman. Replace rape with murder, and it’s the same mindset.

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Xavi
Pro1,924 posts
21 Jun 2026, 15:22#9

If I wanted a thought provoking and well articulated argument or conversation, it wouldn't be with you two muppets or your ilk.

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Pakie
Captain17,321 posts
21 Jun 2026, 15:34#10

It's sad, but I'm not sure it's anything new with human nature. Maybe amplified now by social media, misinformation and the deliberate rage bait and race and identity games that lumps people into factions. By the same token you can ask why people burnt down the USA for Floyd, but with all the other black people not being killed by police it's generally crickets as well. Gangsters kill little kids in the crossfire on the Cape Flats, ho hum, not a chirp. But a teacher divides a class by race for an assignment and the government jumps on her ass and gets her fired (true story from a few years ago). It's all political grandstanding and agendas, chaps, good luck getting any consistent response, not gonna happen.


I didn't know about the first two incidents Stav mentioned, briefly saw something on FB this morning about the machete dude. I generally don't keep up with news unless something pops into my social medias. Seems there's plenty of support for him judging by the comments. And that's the issue, innit? Violence begets violence and it gets normalized and an eye for an eye and all that. Fuck knows how you fix it, I don't have answers. Maybe a more healthy respect for the autonomy of culture instead of strong-arming "diversity" in everywhere would be a good start.

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DbDraad
Captain26,388 posts
21 Jun 2026, 16:33#11

Anyone being able to go for a walk on a Saturday evening in Voortrekker Road, Bellville 20 years ago and who returns today and see what's going on, will suddenly get angry at what the Somalian and Nigerian immigrants did to the place...turned it to a sh!thole more than 10 years ago already...only a small thing needs to happen to ignite the powder keg...there are thousands of similar scenarios all over the world...people don't like their environment changing drastically and if you can put a foreign face to the reason for the change and start to hate, not much is needed to cause havoc...regardless of the fact that there were other factors for the change...

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clevermike
Coach57,555 posts
21 Jun 2026, 20:03#12

In the meantime the newspapers have been rather quiei about riots against ille hga migrannts in SA - there are mi.lions of them. Fearing a disaser in he upcoming the ANC panicke and now is sending thouands bck to tteir xcoountry of origin. It has zero to do wiuth race and eerything to do wth paick politics.


Stav tried to tuen hiu issue into racism - their are snakes in all ac groups and people are upset with what happened. Wihile mirders are mostly committd by people of the same race - media fenzy are limited,- bar in cases where gangsters plays a role. th ir a outcries based on politics


,Srav I think you sh ould look at t he filowing dataL-


https://www.google.com/search?q=stats+on+racial+murder+ates+in+the+UK&num=10&sca_esv=0bc4faf661aacf29&rlz=1C1YTUH_enZA1214ZA1214&sxsrf=APpeQnsz4Z-ZZOCxrn_jIYkFv9zEOUvI6g%3A1782063310238&ei=ziA4auCLDuDOhbIPiu71qA0&biw=1152&bih=703&ved=0ahUKEwjgqsuU75iVAxVgZ0EAHQp3HdUQ4dUDCBI&oq=stats+on+racial+murder+ates+in+the+UK&gs_lp=Egxnd3Mtd2l6LXNlcnAiJXN0YXRzIG9uIHJhY2lhbCBtdXJkZXIgYXRlcyBpbiB0aGUgVUtIn2hQnhlYkElwAngAkAEAmAGTBKAB2xSqAQkyLTMuNC4wLjG4AQzIAQD4AQGYAgGgAr0CwgIHECMYsAIYJ8ICBRAAGO8FwgIIEAAYgAQYogSYAwDiAwUSATEgQIgGAZIHAzMtMaAHyxOyBwMzLTG4B70CwgcDNC0xyAcTgAgB&sclient=gws-wiz-serp


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Mozart
Captain49,914 posts
23 Jun 2026, 05:26#13

There is quite a few different reasons for why people perceive crime to be going up when actually it's coming down and yes certain categories of crimes like fraud are up, but violent crime is lower. It's interesting that western Europe's violent crime rate was higher at a time when we had very few migrants relative to now.



Yes it’s interesting, but probably not relevant either way given immigrants from outside the EU are still only 10% of the population. We wouldn’t expect a change in that small segment to reduce the murder rate in 2025 to less than half of what it was in 1990 would we?


Here are some factors that probably played a role:



Rise, 1960s–early 1990s: commonly linked to social disruption: rapid urbanization/suburban change, weaker informal social control, youth bulge, rising alcohol/drug markets, more family breakdown, and a broader 1960s–70s cultural shift toward lower deference to authority. Eisner argues many single-factor theories fail, but that the postwar rise fits a wider “modernity strikes back” pattern.

Fall, 1990s onward: no consensus, but likely a mix of better emergency medicine, aging populations, improved policing/security, reduced alcohol-related male violence in some countries, declining young-male share, less domestic/family homicide, and lower organized-crime/terror/political violence in places like Italy and Northern Ireland. A 2021 European Homicide Monitor study found the drop was broad and especially driven by falling male victimization/offending.




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Mozart
Captain49,914 posts
24 Jun 2026, 00:11#14

Oops we seem to have lost Anger.

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bobbok...
Captain10,129 posts
24 Jun 2026, 01:32#15

doubt that

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clevermike
Coach57,555 posts
26 Jun 2026, 21:17#16

There was something in the news regularly about Sweden having the highest crime rate in Europe. What happnd ove the past 30 years was that refugees flood into Sweden without any control whatsoever,


18 momnths a go the soituation was thta lement about the level of crime was beyond control, Elements in t he migrant population fomed gangs way beyond the capacity to handle, Gangs took over control ove areas in cities and towns and fought battles to keep copntgrol of the area tey cal.im as their aea of operation. Gang wars go beyomnd control.


In 2019, Sweden recorded 133 confirmed explosions and 257 total reported crimes involving explosives. These incidents were predominantly driven by escalating conflicts and turf wars between warring criminal gangs. For complete, detailed breakdowns and regional statistics, you can refer to the official crime reports provided by the Swedish National Council for Crime Prevention


iN thr 2022 election the Socialists lost power and a new Coalition Government had to be formed, After Patliament confirmed the PM Election and two days after that the new Prime Minister that th e Police lost control o/f t he situation and asked t he Ki.ng to allow the army to start together wit t he Po/lice would estabhed order in the cities,


What I had in mind when I quote the Swedish situation is that crime cannot purely be seen from a politcal perspective change. What is regarded as a crime in countries of origin is not allowed in recipient European Countries. So in a way cogniance mu,st tKE NTO ccou,nt as we;;.


S o in fqact close monitoring of migration should be implememted - the present open border aituation should be eliminated, The absence of entry control allows for criminals and errorists geteasy entry into Europe.



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