And. Does not mean the push eastwards has not happened.
It had stopped 14 years before Russia felt the need to invade Ukraine.
You also going to acknowledge that all that states who joined NATO a t various times over the years since the fall of the Soviet Union did so willingly?
How did you know it had stopped... did NATO send you a memo?
Montenegro joined in 2017 and North Macedonia in 2020.
So nothing has stopped with NATO.
Apologies, I stand corrected.
Ever wondered why those countries were keen to join, suspect it had something to do with the people not wanting to be back under the heels of Russia again.
No need to apologize those two minor countries were simply consolidation within existing NATO boundaries…. Poland, a member since 99 and Romania and Bulgaria, members since 2004 all lie to their East, totally enclosing Montenegro and North Macedonia
There is no NATO march to the East….the Eastern boundary hasn’t changed since 2004.
More utter balls.
Well Stav you get 10/10
Congrats on manning up.
Mozart needs new glasses.
So do Montenegro and N Macedonia mean the boundary of NATO has shifted eastward…please post the map.
I've no problem admitting when I make a factual error.
Have said that it doesn't alter my original point. Georgia and Ukraine's entry into NATO was vetoed by France and Germany to appease Russia. That was still France and Germany's policy up till the Russian invasion of Ukraine.
So the idea that NATO strategic mean's have relentlessly move eastward is clearly false.
So do Montenegro and N Macedonia mean the boundary of NATO has shifted eastward…please post the map.
Yes those countries are no more eastward than Poland, a country Russia permitted to join NATO.
So now you want to retract your apology because the the senile Mozart cannot comprehend the discussion.
You said that NATO had stopped. It hadn't stopped for 14 years. Now I know why Mike battles with this old fart Mozart.... he's the same as Biden.... prob having tea with him in Chicago.
But I'm not gonna get on his case, he's over 80 now and time for the retirement home.
Waaaaaahahaha….to use two Ronald Reagan quotes…..
‘There you go again’ …..and
‘I’m not going to hold my opponents youth and inexperience against him for political purposes’
So I’ll give you another chance….it be easy….just show us a map where Montenegro and North Macedonia lie East of the arc through Poland, Bulgaria and Romania. Or just admit you were duped again.
Tell Draad your address at that retirement home Mozzie, let him visit you and Biden there.
Stav lost his debate with me, hands down, six love..... NATO has been shown for their wickedness... Evil bunch. They have never officially stopped either... they've sent memos but we know them for what they are now.. Palookas
So there we have North Macedonia, with it’s whole Eastern border lying west of Greece and Bulgaria.
And we have Montenegro with its whole Eastern border lying west of Serbia and Albania.
So I ask you with tears in my eyes, how can the inclusion of North Macedonia and Montenegro represent an Eastward move for NATO?
Huh?
Lets get away from BS and back to facts
Let me fix that for you Mike.
Lets gets away from facts and back to BS.
Don't know Mozartite keeps publishing maps when his case has already lost.
I don't even know what he's on about,neither does he since it wasn't even his discussion.
Mike he hasn't put any decent arguments on here anyway. He used to have some good ideas but the war has lost him. The yanks are making money on stocks, that is what war does... Can't take it with him though.
Stav
You repeat propaganda BS on site.-with no reference o anything proven.
* Was there an election held in Ukraine in 2013 - yes or no
* Is there any evidence whatsoever that the USA sing the CIA was not involved in organizing the so-called peaceful uprising? Add to that did Nuland lie on a video in which she discussed the compilation of the new Government in Ukraine. Just also -explain how the USA could prescribed the new appointees to un Ukraine they did not organize the uprising?
* Did Biden as Obama appointee had the Prosecutor investigating Burisma fired through blackmailing the Ukraine Government through a threat to withhold a loan guarantee if the Prosecutor not being fired within 6 hours as to a video tape in the public domain?
* Was there a Minsk agreement of 2015 settling the problem of Ukraine peacefully and what was provided for in that agreement? Why was that agreement not implemented?
* Did US Politicians get involved in Ukraine corruption and why was it covered by the US Government and why was it not investigated by the FBI?
* The Crimea have its own Parliament in terms of the 1991 Ukraine Constitution and a large degree of self-Government as a result?
* Were the ideas about oppression of Russian speaking people in Eastern Ukraine real or not and are the allegations or such oppression lies? Please give reasons why they are lies?
* Are there bio-labs - controlled and funded by the USA? Please also find info on the Odessa completed through USA funding in 2018?
I have referenced all of the above - you just deny the existence ofc the evidence without any proof supporting your brainwashed idiocy.
Pooerer Stav - you obviously cannot dispute the facts I listed above - your brianwashers do nt allow you to think and amke dedctions at all.
Is there any evidence whatsoever that the USA sing the CIA was not involved in organizing the so-called peaceful uprising?
The insanity of asking for evidence to prove a ne gativity. It would be like asking...
Is there any evidence whatsoever that Rassie Erasmus using the SARU was not involved in organising the so-called separatist uprising?
St av
Thinking required - how can the USA in Biden and Nuland decide on the new leadership in Ukraine as described by Nuland in a video recording if they were not involved in the coup from the word go? The protests went on for four months during the Ukraine winter. That type of thing requires money to keep it going - where did that money come from. Ample evidence was it came from the US Embassy.
It is by far not the first time that the USA caused regime change in countries by that type of thing.so they were just doing what proceedings used routinely by the US Government, were in place and implemented by the USA in this case.
The next target for unconstitutional Government change by the US Government would be Hungary - it could start sooner than you think and will be preceded by the normal brainwashing of idiots campaign. Watch out for that one - after that Sebia would follow soon. Sny Government even mildly critical is on the USA lands o n the hit list.
You still battling, stay off the pots... we all know it's the move of NATO eastwards that's caused this war.
Then Stav said they stopped more countries enlisting,which he apologized for... wasn't a mention of eastwards by him. It was a blanket call... Now wake up, take your pills and focus.
It is very clear, who the deceiving lying bastards are, full of guile, manipulation and deceit and what makes it worst is that they add more and more lies to it, no wonder any agreements cannot be reached because of natural distrust. The Red Indian chiefs long ago used to say long ago before they were decimated by war and smallpox induced pandemic..."White man speak with FORKED TONGUE" and today that has not changed.
So put that in your "peace pipes" and smoke. Filthy skunks.