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Members on site fighting for the rights of Criminals are like the murderous Democrats,

Started by clevermike53 REPLIES788 VIEWS· 06 Oct 2025, 04:50
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
06 Oct 2025, 04:50
#1
06 Oct 2025, 04:50#1

The issue of the murder of Irina Zarutska was a typical example of the comduct of the Democratic Party DA's and Judges when it comes to fighting crimes, Her murderer was an indication that G eorge Soros are carried out by local law officers elected by Democrats:-


Who is Decarlos Brown Jr?

Decarlos Brown Jr is a homeless man with a long criminal history dating back to 2011. He has been arrested at least 14 times on charges, including felony larceny, armed robbery, breaking, assault, and making threats, The NY Post reported.

He served a five-year sentence for a 2014 armed robbery and was released in September 2020, but within five months, he was arrested again for assaulting his sister at her Charlotte home.

Earlier this year in January, Brown got into trouble again after making false emergency calls to 911, claiming that a "man-made material" was controlling his body and basic functions such as eating, walking and speaking. An affidavit further stated that "Officers advised Brown that the issue was a medical issue and that there was nothing further they could do."

Despite his long criminal history, Brown was not serving a sentence in prison and was roaming freely on the streets when he murdered Iryna Zarutska. He has now been charged with first-degree murder.


A new case came out now during at a House hearing on the above murder:-


A grieving father’s anguished words in Washington have put a spotlight on a tragedy that many Americans say reflects their worst fears: a justice system that repeatedly frees dangerous repeat offenders until it’s too late.

Stephen Federico’s daughter, Logan, 22, was murdered in her sleep in May while staying overnight at a friend’s house in Columbia, South Carolina. Police say the suspect, Alexander Devonte Dickey, 30, broke into the home, shot Logan, and then went on a shopping spree with her stolen credit and debit cards.

But what has shocked and outraged many is not only the brutality of the crime, but court documents revealing Dickey’s 39 arrests, and 25 felony charges before Logan’s murder. Yet he had spent barely 600 days in jail over the past decade.


The response from a Democrat House member Deborah Ross was typically to be expected She was given a photo of Logan Federico in South Carolina - whose father gsve evidence on the murder of his daughter. When she started her questioning of the father on his evidence of his daughter Logan Rep Deborah Ross carelessly held up the photo of Irina Zarutska - she could not care a hell about the murdesr of the two girls - she was defending the "rights of criminals - which according to instruction to the ustoce Justice Department officials by George Soros -


  1. that people should not be charged with 95 crimes listed in instructions;
  2. when arrested should be released within 24 hours without the eneed to pay bail'
  3. when kailed must be leased asap = normally appicable after a year in prison.


Both cases relates to criminal promotion by Soros and his Demcopratic Party adherents, Will Biden wa the supposed President. Soros's son went on average once a month to the WH ehre the ecretary fir Homeland securty and the Federal Attroney General had to report to hm on ther implementation of his father;s instruction and given enw instructions to implement/


The results are a rule of trror by the criminals and total disregard of the interessts of anybody else, Sorosis in effect a murder gangster boss assusted by the Democratic Party criminals. ump should sent the crime biss to Hungary wherehe is awatiting treson charges, Ater the Communist Governmnt feell in 1989 hes tarted ndermining the new Demcoracy in Budapest abd hey would gladly despatch him to a morgue where he belongs, He is 96 years of age and hs death wui benefit mankind, The sooner the better.

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Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
06 Oct 2025, 08:06
#2
06 Oct 2025, 08:06#2

And then you get these incredibly important issues that the Democrats want the American taxpayer to keep funding..... and no, it's not a joke.

- $3 million for circumcisions and vasectomies in Zambia

- $833k for transgender people in Nepal

- $4.2 million for lgbtq people in the Western Balkans and Uganda

- $3.6 million for pastry cooking classes and dance focus groups for male prostitutes in Haiti

- $500k for electric buses in Rwanda

- $6 million for media organizations for the Palestinians

- $300k for a pride parade in Lesotho

- $882k for social media and mentorship in Serbia

Pastry classes and dance focus groups for male prostitutes.... WTAF

I would also be furious if I was American, seeing where my money was going

DA
Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
06 Oct 2025, 12:39
#3
06 Oct 2025, 12:39#3

And here is Kash Patel confirming what I always said to be true.... that Nancy Pelosi was personally and directly involved in setting up J6 and how she ensured that there was no national guard at all on J6, by refusing to deploy 10 000 to 20 000 of the national guard, on Trump's request. ..... which again, is exactly why Nancy herself even admitted responsibility on video.... in the car on the way from the capital building

It's all coming out now...

https://x.com/heyitsmeCarolyn/status/1974165084714013127?t=lM38ghWz2ByyWZPeUnPpRA&s=03

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Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
06 Oct 2025, 12:43
#4
06 Oct 2025, 12:43#4

They said it was MAGA targeting the capitol on J6.....

Check this MAGA wearing protester..... why do they never show these videos...

https://x.com/GenXPatriot1968/status/1974260049020113193?t=G5ZSroxQ-RnkWTmHnBN-iQ&s=03

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
06 Oct 2025, 13:08
#5
06 Oct 2025, 13:08#5

The FBI turned out to be the chioef icnciters fr people to enter the Capitol. Remember the guy with the rop to hang Pence. He was one of the F BI agents - was never arrested and never charged,


The whole saga was a publicity propaganda stunt to use against the Republicans in future elections.


Remember the fact that Biden in a lucid interval claimed 5 police oficer were murdered and then it came out that no Police Officer were in fact affected by anything on Janaury 6, One Police Officer died from a stroke and he was the Police Officer shown on security cameras totally nharmed by anything.


The propaganda relating to January 6 was as big a lie as the Russian Hoax were and that one is still believed by site idots,


By the way Wray lied to the House and Senate by claiming he did not know how many BI a gents in plain clothes was amongst he crowd, H e did know since if the organization like the FBI were invovled in - Wray as head of th F BI woud have approved the FBI operation on January 6, Next charge to be laid should be against Wray.


By the way what about EBB - an agent from Arizona who according to videos were the chief inciter for people to enter the Capitol d helped to push down a barrier. He gave evidence at the Janary 6 Committee and was praised by th Pelosi committee. The excise why he was not arrested and charged was another lie - it as shown on the Security Cameas as being inside the Capitol and charge him. So Garland had a charge of trespassing laid and he was sentenced to two months community work and not jailed.


That is what the Supreme Court would have been against virtually all arrested people shpuld hve been and the Court wa ectremely upset by threats by the FBI that they would be in jail until heya dmi guilt to the fake charges of the Jsytive Fepartment hrge an asscoa yed l they do not plead guilty to the fake charges laid by the Justice Department. It was in fact Unconstitutional and an abuse of the judicial system in the USA .


Nw the problem is their are claims running into hundreds of billions compensation to be paid to people treated by the ustice Department illegally and the system used as being Unconstittional


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ChippoPro3,372 posts
06 Oct 2025, 14:26
#6
06 Oct 2025, 14:26#6

-Did you say $3.6 million for pastry cooking classes and dance focus groups for male prostitutes in Haiti????


By Jove, that sounds like a win!

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
06 Oct 2025, 16:35
#7
06 Oct 2025, 16:35#7

The suystem works differently - a Committee climing they asre representives makes e clim on behalf of people in Haiti - theey retain 90% of the loot and past the rmainder to the Haitians. The system was and remained ultra-corrupt.


Then there were a new organization formed by BLM to undertake Green Projects - something they knew nothing about - since thery were invovled in riots and nohing else - fopr a grant of $3 billion was provided which total was used for luxury cars and ultr expensive homes ith the Greenprojects confinmed to te gardens at th homes.


This is still under investigation and amounts to bribery and corruption. Then there were $67 million provided to George Soros to cover the Hamas riot costs and fund DP candidates election expenditure and those candidates were made sure ciminals get off wih crooking on a massive scale - because criminals are not charged (even for murder) and set free from jails within 24 hours without paying bail to continue their crime career,


The FBI under Comey and Wray refused to investgate corruption involving Democrat Politicians and bureacrats - so the scoundrels could steal amd loot knowing they would not be investigated by the FBI and even of they did, the Justice Department would never charged them.


That is why the Demcrat Senators fought like hell to prevent the appointment of Bondi and Patel, because they fear what would be uncovered.






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Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
08 Oct 2025, 12:44
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08 Oct 2025, 12:44#8

The cold hard truth about the J6 insurrection....

It's only a 5:30 video with 7 points

The egg on some faces here when it all finally comes out will be epic

https://x.com/NathanielSami/status/1974994214506360971

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
08 Oct 2025, 13:18
#9
08 Oct 2025, 13:18#9

Yesterday the FBI dealt with the arrest of the branch of the Mexican Cartel operating in California:-


Federal and local law enforcement officers arrested 14 suspected leaders of the Rancho San Pedro gang Tuesday in Los Angeles, capping a yearslong investigation into what the FBI called one of the most violent street crews in Southern California and a known arm of the Mexican Mafia.

FBI Director Kash Patel told Fox News Digital the bust marks a turning point in the fight against cartel-linked gangs.

"The era of cartels operating freely in America is over," Patel said. "Every day, the FBI and our partners are dismantling violent networks at the source, stripping their resources, taking criminals off the streets and saving American lives."


The gang operated in the USA since 1996 and he Calfornia did nothing about that and even when arresed the gangsters were arrested they were released from prison wthin 24 hour wout paying bail and never charged by the Califonia AG.


This time they face Federal Charges and they will NOT be released from jail within 24 hours and they will face charge that entail life in jail without parole. The gang has more than 500 memebrs who are supposed o be rounded up be the Californa police and that is very unlikely to happen. If it does it ill be surprising - even if arrested they will not be charged.



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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
08 Oct 2025, 13:29
#10
08 Oct 2025, 13:29#10

The egg on some faces here when it all finally comes out will be epic


Can we get a time frame on that?

DA
Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
08 Oct 2025, 15:20
#11
08 Oct 2025, 15:20#11

Can we get a time frame on that?

LOL

You mean like your time fame that I requested from you on how long it would really take for Donald Trump to completely reduce the number of illegals coming over the Southern border, because you said it wouldn't happen within a certain time frame with Trump as POTUS.

At the time, I provided you with a very clear and specific timeframe on how long I personally thought that it would take for Donald Trump to reduce those illegal crossing numbers.... whereas you absolutely refused to give me anything at all....

It turned out that I was absolutely 100% correct with my prediction on the Southern border numbers, and I had been more than prepared to boldly state that prediction on this forum in front of everyone, when Trump came into office for his second term...... but you refused to give anything.

Maybe you should start getting a bit more involved and providing your own timeframes and predictions on certain issues instead of just requesting them from others on this forum.

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
08 Oct 2025, 15:41
#12
08 Oct 2025, 15:41#12

Stav


The fact is that Nancy Pelosi


  1. refused to accept Trump's offer to use the army to secure the Capitol area on 6 Jamuary 2020 made 2 days before the trespassing occurred;
  2. got a Holliwood company to organize the Pelosi Committee hearings to ensure maximum propaganda advantage from the hearings;
  3. refuse to release the security cameras recording as to what happened inside the Capitol during what turned out to be trespassing and never was violent in nature.


In the case of the riots and insurrection claims 1 600 people were arrested and th Justice Department ruled that they should never be released before being sentenced and will only be taken to court if they sign admission to guilt on a fom concocted by the Department, They were put under tremendous pressure to sign the admission of guilt forms and was told by the FBI and Washington Police that if hey did not sign the admission of guilt forms they would be held indefinitely in prison. In the end 400 prisoners were never charged because they refused to sign the admission of guilt forms until Trump ordered teir release when he took over the Presidency,


The matter only in August 2024 reached the Supreme Court and havng have the officicial House investgation report conducted after the Democrat lost their House majority in January 2023 - as well as the Security Camera evidence the Court ruled in Decmber 2024 that the charges laid by Justic Department was exhorbitant and that the only applicable charges were illegal trespassing, That was in fact the charge by an FBI official by the name of Ebb who was actively inciting the crowd to enter the Capitol and was never charged and even gave evidence before he Pelosi Committee, In evidence before the official House committee Wray claimed he was not arrested because he enver entered the Capitol - it was a lie as the Secirity Cameras showed he was inside the Capitol - so the Justice Deartment charged him with trespassing and he was sentenced to 2 months community service, It was also the charged that was legitimate.


When it comes to charging Trump with criminal conduct - Smith got nohere with any evidence usable to charge Trump so he ordered the FBI to monitor the telephone calls of 10 Republican Senators - that was illegal without a FIS Court ruling. Smith tried to frame charges agaisnt Trump based on the Pelosi Committee findings - but the Committee illegally destroyed thousands of documents by the Committee - and in the end Smth found nothing to charge Trump with that had any chance of succeeding in Court.


In he end Biden or whomsoever used the Autopen pardoned everybody serving on the Pelosi Committee from whatever crimes they may in future be charged with crimes committed by the Pelosi Committee. That is going to further repercussions for not only the FBI - but also for Wray and Smith.


The problem is in view of the contravention of the Constitution and the Unconstitutonal conduct by the Jstce Department and the FBI the arrested people illegally held in jail now start claiming damages rundning onto hndreds of millions from the Governemnt. In the case of the Ashly Babbit murdered by the Police on 6 January 2021 the Justice Department paid her family $5,7 million dollars in compensation.


In essense this was a Demcoratic Party propaganda stunt that went too far and became Unconstitutional and Illegal and it is really a disgrace for the USA as a democracy.




DA
Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
08 Oct 2025, 16:08
#13
08 Oct 2025, 16:08#13

Don't bother Mike

Stav thinks that Pelosi did no wrong at all on J6

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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
08 Oct 2025, 16:09
#14
08 Oct 2025, 16:09#14

LOL how fast was the topic change.


You have made several comments in the past that something is about to come out, nothing of note seems to materialize, hence I find it amusing when you say it.


What was that thread your referring too on immigration at the southern border, I recall a discussion on it, but I thought I said something along the lines of immigration was coming down in the last few months before office and that it would continue to do so under Trump and may accelerate. I also acknowledge on another thread that Trump bringing down the border crossing was a political win for him as well.


I also made some other predictions not sure on the thread, which I think where on the lines of he will wreck the economy (still an open question but he's clearly doing damage to both the US and World economy), Musk and Trump would fall out which I was correct about and I think I made comments that how the Trump administration handles immigrants would catch innocent people as well as damage the US's reputation.


But anyway this is aside the point. As I've already gone through you with multiple times. Nancy Pelosi was not responsible for security on January 6th in the capital, the security is handled by Sergeant at Arms for the House, the Sergeant at Arms for the Senate, Architect of the capital, and the Chief of Capitol Police. This is written into law since 1901.


With regards the National Guard, only the President, the Secretary of Defence and the Secretary of the Army can authorize their deployment. Again this is based on several legal basis, such the US Constitution, Article 1 Section 9, the Insurrection Act of 1807 (10 US Code 251-255), Title 10 and Title 32 of the US Code and the Department of Defence Chain of Command.


There is no ifs or buts about this. Pelosi was not responsible for security on January 6th and quoting her out of context doesn't change that (nor does going she said what she said, I dunno) nor does the words of a Trump appointed croney in Kash Patel carry any weight. Patel stated that he and Trump authorised the deployment of 10-20,000 national guard, yest no formal order was never was ever issued and the acting secretary of defence stated no order was given. Secondly Patel states that they needed a request from DC Mayor which was correct, no such request was made (except for a small amount of National Guard for traffic control) but he also stated they needed a request from Nancy Pelosi which is just complete bullshit.


The events of January 6th are purely down to Trump and those who supported him in trying to overturn the results of a fair election.




CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
08 Oct 2025, 17:52
#15
08 Oct 2025, 17:52#15

Stav


Look at FACTS and court findings and tell us why those are wrong and your BS is real.

DA
Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
10 Oct 2025, 08:02
#16
10 Oct 2025, 08:02#16

Watch out Mike, Stav will demand a timeframe on that as well

LMAO

DA
Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
10 Oct 2025, 08:03
#17
10 Oct 2025, 08:03#17

You have made several comments in the past that something is about to come out, nothing of note seems to materialize,

More lies

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
10 Oct 2025, 13:59
#18
10 Oct 2025, 13:59#18

Stav


Sorry to wake you up fro M Dreamworld


But anyway this is aside the point. As I've already gone through you with multiple times. Nancy Pelosi was not responsible for security on January 6th in the capital, the security is handled by Sergeant at Arms for the House, the Sergeant at Arms for the Senate, Architect of the capital, and the Chief of Capitol Police. This is written into law since 1901.


That quote was from the Establihment Law govenning Security Services - but theya re not acting independently from the legislators and they report to the SPEAKER and based on organizational structures they fall under the Speaker, In any away two days before 6 January the Sergeant of Arms asked Pelosi to make arrangements for strengthening of the Capitol Police and in subsequent under oath under hearings conformid that request, Pelosi did fuck all about that request and that is why she was pacnicking afterwards in her conversation with her daughteer referrd to above,


The events of January 6th are purely down to Trump and those who supported him in trying to overturn the results of a fair election.


In what official investigation was that ever proved. If it was he would a hve been charged in a Court of Law - The Smith Special Council found nothing to propve it and he neve sharged Trump woth any such offence, In t he end S mith resigned in disgrace from his osition as special council, He was involved in two cases - namely he document case ending in the FBI Raid on Trumps Home and in that case te case was frown out of Court due to Judicial Abuse and Undermining of the Court by the Judge - so that obne was BS. He was urged to file charges by Boden and Garland - but that put him in trouble since he had ZERO proof of Trumps involvement that would count in Court.


I would like to advise you to take a good evaluation of the 2020 results compared to the 2024 results. The drop in votes count from what is the number of votes casted in 2020 and 2024 despite an increase of 4,5% in registered voters in the intervening period and the casting of 25 000 000 unientified votes mailed in will tell anybody with half a functioninmg brain that the 2020 election was the most crooked election in the history of democracies ever. So it is clear that it was never a legitimate election and definitely not fair.


Just one thing the majority of the Democrats in the House dropped from 32 to 9 in 2020, If the Presidential election election was real that woud never have happened.







DA
Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
14 Oct 2025, 16:52
#19
14 Oct 2025, 16:52#19

Looks like fun

https://x.com/i/status/1977550714235654478

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
14 Oct 2025, 21:43
#20
14 Oct 2025, 21:43#20

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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
15 Oct 2025, 02:05
#21
15 Oct 2025, 02:05#21

Jan 6

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
15 Oct 2025, 06:03
#22
15 Oct 2025, 06:03#22

Draad


The complot to accuse Trump of collusion with Russia was concicted by a meeting chaired by Odama on 8 D ecmber 2016 to undermine the Presidency and with the co-operation of the Justoce Department to get rid of Trump through spreading false allegations of such collusion by the FBI and CIA, The idea is that the system entailed by the CIA and FBI would result in the impeachment of Trump as President vy a Speial Counmcil approved by Clynesmth - an appointee of Obama - approved the appoinment of Mueller as Special Council to find Trump guilty of such Collusion.


As a resut of findings by the Inspector General of Justice found that Clynesmith lied to get permission of the FIS Court to spy on Carter another senior official in the Trump election campaign and through that spy on o Trump's 201 election campaign and in the end discharged Clynesmith by the Justice Department and criminal charge of lying to the FIS Court laid -if found guilty of he crimnal charge - but was not given a jail sentence but had to do "communty sevice" work for 6 months - an abuse of Justice.


Howeer, there was another problem was that the FBI and CIA feared that there role might be eposed as being huilty of criminal abuse of the Justice system by he CIA would come to light if the 7 December 2016 report would ever being exposed and that turned out to be the main reason for the Mar-el-Largo raid of Trumps Hoise, They could not find the 7 December report amongst the documents seized. .


Fake reports by the FBI resulted in Mueller instructting the Justice Department to lay criminal charges against Manafort and General Flynn based on fake propaganda and in the end Manafprt was nt foud guilty of Rssian Collusion - but found guilty of not paying tax on some business venmtures and was sent to jail as a result, The second charge of General Flynn - a registered Democrat - ned entirely on a fake report of the F BY and adjusted by the Obama WH and in rhe end Barr was horrifiede what he found on Flynn;s FBI file and withrew the charge against Flynn,


He also appointed Durham to find out who started he Russian Collusion Hox and in the end he alid hree charges agaisnt indiviuals invovled in starting the Hoax and all three charges were wifdran whn the role of the FBI in the whole saga was exposed during evidence as a Hoax started by Obama and carried out by the FBI and the CIA,


In view of the above th Justice Department has a problem - based on proven documents the Russian Hoax usage could be regarded as High Treason.aime at the ilelgal effort to undermine the USA constitution amd Judicial System. since it was aimed as an illegal atempt to get rid of a President eected by the SA voters, If Obama, Clinton nd Biden was charged it could lead to a future Democrat President using such a precedent sgsondy hdo rfdotr thus created by acting against his predecessor sicne nobody can eve lie as much as the Democrats did in the past decade,


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CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
15 Oct 2025, 06:09
#23
15 Oct 2025, 06:09#23

BB


The anuary 6 escapade was based in BS bd he Speial Council appointed to lay charge agaisnt Trump in the end indicates that ir was actual a political complot to be used against Trump. The fact is it was an organized plot involving the FBI and the Justuce Depament led by Pelosi, What the Speaker and the Democrats using the Justice Department was in fact Justice abuse,

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
15 Oct 2025, 07:17
#24
15 Oct 2025, 07:17#24

Jan 6 was a FBI psyop Bob...obviously...

DA
Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
15 Oct 2025, 08:18
#25
15 Oct 2025, 08:18#25

I think it's hilarious how much evidence is coming out against Obama for instigating this against Trump

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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
15 Oct 2025, 14:51
#26
15 Oct 2025, 14:51#26

Really?

Ag shame....

to be continued

Bwhahahahaha

DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
15 Oct 2025, 17:29
#27
15 Oct 2025, 17:29#27

Yes really.

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
15 Oct 2025, 22:03
#28
15 Oct 2025, 22:03#28

It is one thing to moan about election issues and an extremely different if you desi gn a system leadin g to the impeachment of a President so as to get rid of him - especially since Obama was invovled in planning the whole system knowing that it wad based paid on lies concocted by the Democrt Party and spreadng lies to the media, could even it be regarded as high treason,

DA
Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
16 Oct 2025, 09:14
#29
16 Oct 2025, 09:14#29

Yet....the Chief of the Capitol Police on J6, Steven Sund, still has this to say

It's a farce

https://x.com/its_The_Dr/status/1977903931725398276?t=D3OiH5hhh34k_ql_crkkGQ&s=03

And then he said this

Chief Steven Sund

@ChiefSund

Oct 14

They didn’t want the truth to be told in public. I was denied support in advance of J6 because, “Pelosi would never go for it.”

Believe what you will


DA
Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
16 Oct 2025, 09:27
#30
16 Oct 2025, 09:27#30

Here Stav....

You still maintain that Pelosi held no responsibility, no problem..... I still think she did.

“The National Guard deployment was delayed on January 6, 2021, due to Nancy Pelosi's responsibility and actions. As Speaker, her approval was required under 2 U.S.C. §1970 for the Sergeant at Arms to request National Guard support. On January 3, she did not grant approval when initially requested by Chief Steven Sund. On January 6, despite repeated urgent requests during the Capitol attack, her Sergeant at Arms, Paul Irving, waited for her authorization, which was not provided until approximately 2:10 p.m. after the situation escalated, contributing to the delay.”

Is this information verifiable? Grok:

“Verifiability of Claim:

The provided statement contains several specific claims about the January 6, 2021, National Guard deployment delay. Below, each claim is assessed for verifiability based on reporting from Fox News, Washington Times, Breitbart, Newsmax, The Epoch Times, and similar outlets. Verification relies on consistent accounts from former Capitol Police Chief Steven Sund's testimony, Republican-led investigations, and contemporaneous reporting. Where claims align with these sources, they are marked verifiable:

Claim 1:

The National Guard deployment was delayed on January 6, 2021, due to Nancy Pelosi's responsibility and actions:

Verifiable.

Multiple sources report that Pelosi, as House Speaker, bore institutional responsibility for Capitol security decisions, including National Guard approvals, and that her office's actions contributed to delays. Former Capitol Police Chief Steven Sund testified that House Sergeant at Arms Paul Irving (reporting to Pelosi) cited concerns over "optics" and Pelosi's opposition in denying pre-January 6 requests, leading to a delayed response during the riot. Republican investigations, including those led by Rep. Barry Loudermilk (R-Ga.), have concluded that Pelosi's role in security planning and approvals exacerbated the delay, with Sund stating post-riot that Pelosi "never wanted the National Guard deployed."

Claim 2:

As Speaker, her approval was required under 2 U.S.C. §1970 for the Sergeant at Arms to request National Guard support:

Verifiable.

Sund has repeatedly cited 2 U.S.C. §1970 in his accounts, stating it prohibited him from directly requesting National Guard assistance without approval from the Capitol Police Board, which includes the House Sergeant at Arms (under Pelosi's authority). This law requires coordination through congressional leadership for Capitol-specific deployments. Sources confirm Irving needed to "run it up the chain" to Pelosi's office for final sign-off, delaying activation.

Claim 3:

On January 3, she did not grant approval when initially requested by Chief Steven Sund: Verifiable.

Sund testified that on January 3, 2021, he requested National Guard support from Irving, who denied it after consulting Pelosi's office, stating "Pelosi will never go for it" due to optics concerns. Irving confirmed to Sund post-riot that Pelosi opposed preemptive deployment. Republican letters to Pelosi in February 2021 demanded records on this denial, citing Sund's account.

Claim 4:

On January 6, despite repeated urgent requests during the Capitol attack, her Sergeant at Arms, Paul Irving, waited for her authorization, which was not provided until approximately 2:10 p.m. after the situation escalated, contributing to the delay:

Verifiable.

Sources confirm repeated urgent requests from Sund starting at 12:58 p.m. on January 6, with Irving delaying by "running it up the chain" to Pelosi's office, contributing to a 71-minute hold (from ~1:10 p.m. to ~2:20 p.m. approval). Irving explicitly referenced needing Pelosi's input. Approval was provided approximately around 2:10 p.m. after escalation, and first Guard arrival ~5.5 hours later due to further Pentagon delays. The contribution to overall delay (Guard not arriving until ~5:40 p.m.) is consistently attributed to the chain-of-command holdup involving Pelosi's authorization.”

You can swing this any way you want to, Pelosi was directly responsible, which again, is exactly why she was caught on tape admitting it when fleeing the capitol.

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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
16 Oct 2025, 10:21
#31
16 Oct 2025, 10:21#31

DA, you're in la-la land. Skoon verlore .

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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
16 Oct 2025, 13:49
#32
16 Oct 2025, 13:49#32

“The National Guard deployment was delayed on January 6, 2021, due to Nancy Pelosi's responsibility and actions. As Speaker, her approval was required under 2 U.S.C. §1970 for the Sergeant at Arms to request National Guard support. On January 3, she did not grant approval when initially requested by Chief Steven Sund. On January 6, despite repeated urgent requests during the Capitol attack, her Sergeant at Arms, Paul Irving, waited for her authorization, which was not provided until approximately 2:10 p.m. after the situation escalated, contributing to the delay.”

Is this information verifiable?


I don't use Gork, but I went to gork.com (wasn't logged in) and copied in that exactly as above and got a very different response to what you got. But we will come back to that.


“Verifiability of Claim:

The provided statement contains several specific claims about the January 6, 2021, National Guard deployment delay. Below, each claim is assessed for verifiability based on reporting from Fox News, Washington Times, Breitbart, Newsmax, The Epoch Times, and similar outlets. Verification relies on consistent accounts from former Capitol Police Chief Steven Sund's testimony, Republican-led investigations, and contemporaneous reporting. Where claims align with these sources, they are marked verifiable:


Okay first thing that immediately raises a red flag and did not occur when I used Gork is why is verifying the claims exclusively off of right wing media outlets, and in the case of Breitbart, Newsmax and The Epoch Times, far right wing media with extremely dubious records on factual reporting. Why is their no left wing or centrist news sources used to also verify the sources?


We will get on to Sund's testimony in a bit. But the other thing it's verifying these claim against are Republican-led investigations. Republican's being the party who have for obvious political reason's would want to shift attention away from Trump's (the leader of their party) actions on January 6th, to focus on the actions on a prominent member of their main political rivals.


Now I don't know why Gork answered you in the manner it did. Maybe it's basing it's answer on how you previously phrased questions too it or perhaps you specifically asked it to use those news sources in the past and it remembered that or maybe it answered the question in the way it thinks you wanted it answered. Whatever the reason the fact that you posted it's response up here indicates you think it's a credible rebuttal. But it just indicates to me that you can't tell your sources are very one sided.


Claim 1:

The National Guard deployment was delayed on January 6, 2021, due to Nancy Pelosi's responsibility and actions:

Verifiable.

Multiple sources report that Pelosi, as House Speaker, bore institutional responsibility for Capitol security decisions, including National Guard approvals, and that her office's actions contributed to delays. Former Capitol Police Chief Steven Sund testified that House Sergeant at Arms Paul Irving (reporting to Pelosi) cited concerns over "optics" and Pelosi's opposition in denying pre-January 6 requests, leading to a delayed response during the riot. Republican investigations, including those led by Rep. Barry Loudermilk (R-Ga.), have concluded that Pelosi's role in security planning and approvals exacerbated the delay, with Sund stating post-riot that Pelosi "never wanted the National Guard deployed."


Multiple sources. Well this response only gives one source, Steven Sund. While its true Sund did request the deployment of additional National Guards pre-January 6th it was denied by the Capitol Police Board. Irving who was on the board denied the decision was based on "optics" but was based on intelligence assessments and also denied that Pelosi was involved in the decision. No documented evidence exists or has been presented indicating Pelosi was involved in the decision.


Republican investigations had every partisan reason under the sun to come to the conclusion the Pelosi contributed to delays. They're the side who's leader was the person most responsibly for January 6th, it's conclusion were simply an attempt to shift the blame.


As for Sund starting post-riot that Pelosi "never wanted the Nation Guard deployed." he stated no such thing. Even Gork will tell you that if you ask it.


Claim 2:

As Speaker, her approval was required under 2 U.S.C. §1970 for the Sergeant at Arms to request National Guard support:


Sund has repeatedly cited 2 U.S.C. §1970 in his accounts, stating it prohibited him from directly requesting National Guard assistance without approval from the Capitol Police Board, which includes the House Sergeant at Arms (under Pelosi's authority). This law requires coordination through congressional leadership for Capitol-specific deployments.


Do you notice how Gork does give you a straight yes or no answer here?. So Sund is correct in saying he needed Capitol Police Board but the Capitol Police Board does not need approval from Pelosi.


This is response Gork gave me.


Not Verifiable as Stated: The law does not explicitly require the Speaker's (Pelosi's) "approval" for the HSA to request National Guard support. The HSA reports to the Speaker but operates independently on security matters. Testimony from HSA Paul Irving confirms he did not need Pelosi's direct sign-off to convene the CPB or forward requests. Claims citing this statute to pin sole blame on Pelosi are a common misinterpretation, as noted in the DoD IG report and AP fact-checks.


Sources confirm Irving needed to "run it up the chain" to Pelosi's office for final sign-off, delaying activation.


Again we get sources with no names attached. Yes Irving did have to run it up the chain and by chain that was the Capitol Police Board, not Pelosi or her staff. Irving has testified that Pelosi was not contacted or involved in the decision making process regarding the deployment of the National Guard,


Claim 3:

On January 3, she did not grant approval when initially requested by Chief Steven Sund: Verifiable.

Sund testified that on January 3, 2021, he requested National Guard support from Irving, who denied it after consulting Pelosi's office, stating "Pelosi will never go for it" due to optics concerns. Irving confirmed to Sund post-riot that Pelosi opposed preemptive deployment. Republican letters to Pelosi in February 2021 demanded records on this denial, citing Sund's account.


Already covered in claim one. Irving denied Sund's claims. Claiming the decision to turn down Sund's request on January 3rd was based on intelligence not optics and that Pelosi was not involved in the decision.


Claim 4:

On January 6, despite repeated urgent requests during the Capitol attack, her Sergeant at Arms, Paul Irving, waited for her authorization, which was not provided until approximately 2:10 p.m. after the situation escalated, contributing to the delay:

Verifiable.

Sources confirm repeated urgent requests from Sund starting at 12:58 p.m. on January 6, with Irving delaying by "running it up the chain" to Pelosi's office, contributing to a 71-minute hold (from ~1:10 p.m. to ~2:20 p.m. approval). Irving explicitly referenced needing Pelosi's input. Approval was provided approximately around 2:10 p.m. after escalation, and first Guard arrival ~5.5 hours later due to further Pentagon delays. The contribution to overall delay (Guard not arriving until ~5:40 p.m.) is consistently attributed to the chain-of-command holdup involving Pelosi's authorization.”


Again sources with no names. Irving has denied these claims. The decision making was done entirely by the Capitol Police Board, Pelosi's office was not involved.


You can swing this any way you want to, Pelosi was directly responsible, which again, is exactly why she was caught on tape admitting it when fleeing the capitol.


She was in no way responsible for security on January 6th 100 fact%. The fact of the matter is under law she was not responsible for capitol security on January 6th and there is no documented evidence of her being asked to deployed the national guard let alone her denying or delaying it and there is no legal reason why she would of needed to have been contacted to approve such a request.


And she made no such admission. You know damn well at this point the context of what she said was not an admission of responsibility for a specific security issue but more of a lament that the political establishment of which she was apart of did not see the events of January 6th coming.


And now just out of interests sake, here is Gork's response to me when I put in the the very same query

you did.


Verification of the Claim

The provided statement contains a mix of verifiable facts, partial truths, and unsubstantiated assertions. While some elements (e.g., the legal framework for requests and the timeline of certain approvals) are supported by official records and testimony, the core narrative—that Nancy Pelosi personally caused the National Guard delay through direct denial of requests on January 3 and January 6—is not fully verifiable. It relies on disputed interpretations of events, overstates Pelosi's authority, and contradicts multiple official investigations. Below, I break it down point by point, drawing from congressional reports, sworn testimony, fact-checks, and timelines from bipartisan sources like the House Administration Subcommittee (Republican-led), the January 6 Select Committee (Democrat-led), and the Department of Defense Inspector General (DoD IG).

Key Legal Context: 2 U.S.C. § 1970
  1. Verifiable: This statute allows executive agencies (including the Department of Defense) to provide temporary assistance to the Capitol Police upon request from the Capitol Police Board (CPB). The CPB consists of the House Sergeant at Arms (HSA), Senate Sergeant at Arms (SSA), and Architect of the Capitol. The Chief of the Capitol Police (Steven Sund) can request support, but the Board must approve it.
  2. Not Verifiable as Stated: The law does not explicitly require the Speaker's (Pelosi's) "approval" for the HSA to request National Guard support. The HSA reports to the Speaker but operates independently on security matters. Testimony from HSA Paul Irving confirms he did not need Pelosi's direct sign-off to convene the CPB or forward requests. Claims citing this statute to pin sole blame on Pelosi are a common misinterpretation, as noted in the DoD IG report and AP fact-checks.
January 3 Request: Did Pelosi Deny Approval?
  1. Partially Verifiable: Sund testified (e.g., in his February 2021 letter to Pelosi and September 2023 House hearing) that he requested National Guard support on January 3 via the CPB, but it was denied. Irving cited "optics" concerns (avoiding the appearance of militarization), and the request was not escalated to the Pentagon.
  2. Not Verifiable: There is no evidence Pelosi was directly informed or denied the request on January 3. Irving testified he did not consult Pelosi or her staff beforehand. Sund's accounts (e.g., in his 2023 book Courage Under Fire) imply Irving acted on his own, influenced by prior discussions with House leadership, but no records show Pelosi's personal involvement. The Republican-led House Administration Subcommittee's 2024 report echoes Sund's frustration but attributes the denial to CPB "miscommunications," not Pelosi's explicit order. Fact-checks (e.g., Washington Post, PolitiFact) rate claims of her direct denial as false.
January 6 Requests: Did Irving Wait for Pelosi's Authorization Until 2:10 p.m.?
  1. Partially Verifiable: Sund made 11 urgent calls for support starting at 12:58 p.m. (breach began ~1:00 p.m.). Irving delayed forwarding the request, citing a need to "run it up the chain." Irving first approached Pelosi's chief of staff at 1:40 p.m.; Pelosi approved at ~1:43 p.m. Sund received CPB approval at ~2:09-2:10 p.m. This ~71-minute delay from Sund's first call is documented in timelines from the January 6 Committee and DoD IG report.
  2. Not Verifiable: Irving did not "wait for her authorization" as a formal requirement—testimony shows he was consulting leadership for guidance amid chaos, not awaiting a veto. Pelosi's office states she was unaware of pre-1:40 p.m. requests and immediately supported deployment. The larger delay (Guard arrival at ~5:40 p.m.) was due to Pentagon hesitation (e.g., Acting Defense Secretary Christopher Miller's review for "optics"), not Pelosi. Video footage (released 2022-2024) shows Pelosi actively urging Guard deployment during evacuation, contradicting claims of obstruction.
Overall Delay and Pelosi's Role
  1. Verifiable Contribution: The CPB (including Irving, appointed by Pelosi) shared responsibility for initial denials and delays. Sund's testimony highlights systemic failures in the CPB, and a 2024 House report (Republican-led) criticizes House leadership for inadequate preparation.
  2. Not Verifiable as Sole Cause: Official probes (January 6 Committee, DoD IG, Senate hearings) attribute the full ~3-4 hour delay to:
  3. Pentagon/DoD: 3+ hours for approval (e.g., Maj. Gen. William Walker testified to a 3:19 p.m. DoD green light).
  4. No Pre-Deployment: CPB rejected proactive Guard presence; D.C. Mayor Muriel Bowser limited Guard to traffic support.
  5. Trump Administration: No formal presidential order for troops; Acting Sec. Miller testified Trump urged readiness but didn't direct deployment.
  6. Pelosi did not direct the Guard (authority lies with the President/DoD). Her 2022 HBO footage shows her taking "responsibility" for not preparing Capitol security overall, not specifically blocking the Guard—she expresses frustration over the delay and blames DoD.
Claim ElementVerifiable?Key EvidenceSources


Pelosi's approval required under 2 U.S.C. § 1970Partial (CPB approval needed, but not her direct sign-off)Statute text; Irving testimonyU.S. Code; Feb. 2021 House hearingJan. 3 denial by PelosiNoSund requested via CPB; no Pelosi involvement documentedSund letter to Pelosi ; House reportJan. 6: Irving waited for Pelosi until 2:10 p.m.Partial (~71-min delay verifiable; her approval at 1:43 p.m.)Timelines; Sund's 11 callsDoD IG report ; NYT timelinePelosi's actions "contributed to the delay"Partial (shared CPB role)Systemic failures noted; but primary delay post-approvalJan. 6 Committee ; AP fact-checkBroader Context and Bias in Sources
  1. Republican Sources: House Subcommittee reports (e.g., Loudermilk, 2024) and Sund's testimony emphasize Pelosi's oversight of Irving, substantiating indirect influence but not direct causation.
  2. Democratic/Neutral Sources: January 6 Committee and fact-checkers (AP, PolitiFact, Snopes) stress shared failures and DoD bottlenecks, rating Pelosi-blame claims "false."
  3. X Ecosystem: Posts amplify the narrative (e.g., Sund confronting Pelosi [post:59]; Kash Patel claims [post:97]), but often cite partisan outlets without full context. Semantic searches show ~70% of recent posts echo unverified "setup" theories.

In summary, the statement is partially verifiable but misleading. Pelosi's office had indirect influence via the CPB, and delays occurred under her watch, but no evidence shows she personally denied requests or held up authorization until escalation. The full delay stemmed from multi-agency breakdowns, with DoD bearing primary responsibility. For a politically charged event, claims like this often reflect partisan framing rather than complete facts—substantiated by diverse sources, the evidence points to collective failure, not individual sabotage. If new declassified docs emerge (e.g., full DoD comms), this could shift, but current records don't support the statement as written.


DA
Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
16 Oct 2025, 14:21
#33
16 Oct 2025, 14:21#33

DA, you're in la-la land. Skoon verlore .

At least I am on land and not constantly in the clouds like you are.... you are absolutely nowhere

XA
XaviPro1,924 posts
16 Oct 2025, 14:33
#34
16 Oct 2025, 14:33#34

Gork?

DA
Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
16 Oct 2025, 14:47
#35
16 Oct 2025, 14:47#35

Considering you quoted and used this AI so many times for your response, I would assume that you would know by now that it is "Grok" and not Gork... :)

I also did not pose or phrase any questions to Grok on this specific topic in this instance, I actually first posted a link to what Steven Sund was saying about this above, and then I posted a response to his post, which was what I posted about the claims...

I posted that in case you did not follow the link that I first posted, so I did not phrase any questions at all about what was posted.

We will agree to disagree on this, I still believe that what people have said about Pelosi being involved and responsible is true... I am not saying she is solely responsible, but I do believe that she could have done so much more to prevent what happened on J6, which is what she herself also alluded to.

I prefer using Grok because it has the entire library of Twitter, now X posts, feeds and videos, which in my mind has so much integrity about it compared to the mainstream media.

I agree that there is also a lot of false narratives and misinformation even on X, but I'll take it over CNN, MSNBC and most of the other mainstream media news outlets


ST
Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
16 Oct 2025, 16:39
#36
16 Oct 2025, 16:39#36

Considering you quoted and used this AI so many times for your response, I would assume that you would know by now that it is "Grok" and not Gork... :)


My bad, I've used A.I many times alright, but either ChatGPT or Co-Pilot never Grok.


I also did not pose or phrase any questions to Grok on this specific topic in this instance, I actually first posted a link to what Steven Sund was saying about this above, and then I posted a response to his post, which was what I posted about the claims...


Fair enough I didn't actually notice that post with the link.


We will agree to disagree on this, I still believe that what people have said about Pelosi being involved and responsible is true... I am not saying she is solely responsible, but I do believe that she could have done so much more to prevent what happened on J6, which is what she herself also alluded to.


Agree to disagree, that's a copout. You know your argument doesn't have any weight too it. Fundamentally your argument comes down to interpretation of testimony from one man Steven Sund who has a motive to try to pass the buck, who's testimony is disputed and lacks collaboration as well as quoting Pelosi out of context and taking at face value comments and claims from Republicans who also have a political motive to lie.


Ultimately Donald Trump was the person most responsibly for January 6th with his persistent and strident false claims of voter fraud in the 2019 election that intentionally or not incited the rioting on January 6th in the Capital.


There may have been security failures on January 6th but that doesn't resolve Trump of primary responsibility.


It's nothing but a radicicolous and absurd attempt at shifting blame.

It's the equivalent of a a person being put on trial for attempted burglary and assault and his defence council is obsessed with pointing out a window was left unlocked and that's a greater issue than the actually attempted burglary and assault.


I prefer using Grok because it has the entire library of Twitter, now X posts, feeds and videos, which in my mind has so much integrity about it compared to the mainstream media.


I agree that there is also a lot of false narratives and misinformation even on X, but I'll take it over CNN, MSNBC and most of the other mainstream media news outlets


In my opinion social media is far worse for misinformation the mainstream media which does have significant problems but to various degrees depending on the country can have some degree of accountability and oversight. Social media is just the wild west where near anything goes.

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
16 Oct 2025, 19:02
#37
16 Oct 2025, 19:02#37

Stav


Becuase of his approach to Poelsi and her delay in responding - Trump instructed Milley tos end the national gurad to protect the Capitol - but he did not execute the instruction and used the troops to guard the Lincoln Memorial. He knew he was going to be protected by the Biden Imbecile and he even kept regular illegal telephonic talks with the Chinese Head of armed services, He also lied to Trump when the latter ordered him in 2020 to withdraw US troops from Syria and it never happened.


Knowing he would be Court-Marshalled with various crimes he committed and redued to the ranks before discharged he resiged as C hairnab of the Chefs of Staff when t became clear that TRump would win the 2024 election and the Biden Autopen tried to protect him from being charged with criminal conduct he was pardoned by the Autopen or whomsoever used it for unnamed crimes he committed between 2014 and 2024,


So wait till he is charged with a string of charges - also commented to the January 6 incident - and I suppose you will also try and protect him.



DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
16 Oct 2025, 22:22
#38
16 Oct 2025, 22:22#38

"Ultimately Donald Trump was the person most responsibly for January 6th with his persistent and strident false claims of voter fraud in the 2019 election that intentionally or not incited the rioting on January 6th in the Capital."


Nonsense...they trew everything thing at him to try and prove this, but failed miserably...and then you connect the dots of the FBI plants in the crowd, Pelosi's dodging the decision to call in yhe National Guard...and a few other things...only extremely gullible people won't smell the rotting rat.

ST
Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
16 Oct 2025, 22:52
#39
16 Oct 2025, 22:52#39

Nonsense...they trew everything thing at him to try and prove this, but failed miserably


No one failed miserably, Tump was thanks to his wealth merely able to stall the legal process long enough to become President were he has immunity from the charges for the duration of his Presidency. It's still an open question what happens to him after he leaves office.


But yeah those rioters on January 6th just happened to by pure coincidence come to the conclusion that the election was stolen on their own and were not in any way led or inspired by anyone of note who had for months been talked about election fraud both before and after the election. Yeah that's plausible.


..and then you connect the dots of the FBI plants in the crowd, Pelosi's dodging the decision to call in yhe National Guard...and a few other things...only extremely gullible people won't smell the rotting rat.


You post that and call other people extremely gullible. The lack of self awareness here is enough to make baby Jesus cry.




BO
bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
17 Oct 2025, 00:33
#40
17 Oct 2025, 00:33#40

Un-fkg-believable .......................


Our Maga muppets reinventing history.


The insidious power of the Cult.

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