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More impeachment articles?

Started by clevermike24 REPLIES556 VIEWS· 24 Dec 2019, 09:18
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
24 Dec 2019, 09:18
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24 Dec 2019, 09:18#1

So what else is new?   George Soros  is not happy with the charges contained in the articles of Impeachment voted on last week.   That after some Senators called it a load of garbage and Senator Schumer apparently think so too - hence the request for further witnesses to be called.   Maybe further witnesses would enable the DP to strengthen their case,   

So now the Articles of Impeachment is to be reviewed and new charges added by the House according to the latest news on the issue.   This must be the latest spectacle by the DP and one wonders whether the further charges are going to entail the discredited Mueller Report which stated that although no evidence could be found to link Trump to the Russian interference in the 2016 election, but 0000 that he could not be "exonerated" - whatever that would mean, since the word is not catered for in the legal system in the USA,   Nobody has the power to "exonerate" anybody and the situation is that of a accused is charge with anything - he cannot be "exonerated" by anybody and Mueller was caught out badly when questioned in the House.  

Thus far there was no proof found in support of the assumptions made by the House and what was written thus far will go nowhere,  In the USA a new legal system is apparently developed by the DP members of the House - namely the accused is guilty unless he can proof his innocence,   That is going to lead to all kinds of legal complications for everybody in the USA. 

The more things develop - the more it became clear that the Russian Hoax is all the House can fall back on.   The complot between Schumer, Pelosi and Schiff is falling apart and further panic action is needed because the IG has already got the DP with their pants down and the threat of Durham is looming larger and larger.   Who is on the list of people to be charged. and who is going to sing loudest by turning State Evidence  trying to get a lesser sentence.   

A Miserable Christmas and a Severely Problematic New Year is awaiting the DP and they are getting into a deeper and deeper mess all the time with the next presidential election a mere 11 months away.   The DP is in deeper and deeper trouble in the swing states they need to win the election.   In the 2016 election Clinton won in 21 states - will it be down to less than ten in 2020?                             

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
24 Dec 2019, 09:53
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24 Dec 2019, 09:53#2

It shows what a farce democracy has become.

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CeradynePro9,374 posts
24 Dec 2019, 12:29
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24 Dec 2019, 12:29#3


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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
24 Dec 2019, 15:05
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24 Dec 2019, 15:05#4

Andrew Yang seems to be saying the right thing these days.

China would dread him becoming the US president.

I'd vote for him just for that show alone.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
24 Dec 2019, 20:52
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24 Dec 2019, 20:52#5

Remember Yang is Chinese and the Hong Kong issue is seriously problematic for the U S.    

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
24 Dec 2019, 20:52
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24 Dec 2019, 20:52#6

Remember Yang is Chinese and the Hong Kong issue is seriously problematic for the U S.    

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
26 Dec 2019, 10:17
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26 Dec 2019, 10:17#7

One hopes the truth will fully come out and it will unmask these scumbag demonrats once and for all.

A Trump/GOP landslide is what is needed to save America combined with the elimination of remaining Rinos.

Great post Mike! 

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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
26 Dec 2019, 10:38
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26 Dec 2019, 10:38#8

Mike, Yang is Taiwanese ;)

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
26 Dec 2019, 12:19
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26 Dec 2019, 12:19#9

Yang and Gabbards are still hopeless demonrats. 

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
26 Dec 2019, 12:38
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26 Dec 2019, 12:38#10

Thanks Plum - but no huge difference other than the Yang presidency could start a war with  China.

Gabbard is resigning as House member since it is clear she is a decent person and not the type of person that would feel at home in the DP at all.   Would not be surprised to hear her switching parties as well.   The y make hell for any member who does not fall for their lunacy,

The latest opinion polls indicated that the DP is in deeper trouble than they thought,   The apparently thought that the voters will support them in their impeachment drive and it just is not making any real impression and opinion in the Rust Belt States swinging strongly against them.  

Fact is the DP and media lies are not making any impression on people.   Watch out for the race card becoming predominant over the next six months in the media and DP efforts to get elected..             

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CeradynePro9,374 posts
26 Dec 2019, 13:57
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26 Dec 2019, 13:57#11

“ Gabbard is resigning as House member since it is clear she is a decent person and not the type of person that would feel at home in the DP at all. ”

Nope. She’s not. There are calls for het to resign but I don’t take her for a quitter. She is the only Dem candidate who has the brains and the balls to go head to head against Trump in 2020. Luckily, she won’t have the support of the Dems. 

“ Would not be surprised to hear her switching parties as well. ”

Won’t happen either. Although there are many grounds on which she agrees with Trump there is also too much she disagrees with him on. In an ideal world Trump wins 2020, Pelosi leave politics, Chuck Schumer with her and Tulsi becomes the Dem leader.

Another reason why Tulsi would never switch parties is that she isn’t even really a Democrat. She’s a progressive like Bernie. A real progressive and not a fake one like Pocahontas, Pothead Kamala and Spartacus Booker and the rest. No way she would ever jump into bed with the conservatives  


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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
26 Dec 2019, 15:26
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26 Dec 2019, 15:26#12

Agree Windpomp she is a progressive posing as some sort of moderate. 

Didnt she support that whacked out communist loon Bernie in the past?

Dhe has made some nasty remarks about Trump as well which escape me now. 


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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
26 Dec 2019, 16:59
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26 Dec 2019, 16:59#13

Remember - she is an agent of the Russians according to Clinton and the DP mob.   She also seems to be out of  favour in her district in Hawaii and I am sure that the local DP Governor is working against her.    She is not going to make it back to the House and I believe that according to Foxnews  she decided not to run for re-election - which effectively mean resignation.  

   

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CeradynePro9,374 posts
26 Dec 2019, 17:07
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26 Dec 2019, 17:07#14
Tulsi did of course support Bernie. As I said, she is a progressive, but she is one of the more levelheaded progressives around. She is not supporting Bernie this time around. She is opposing him in the same race. If she was supporting him she would not be fighting in the race. This is the thing with her and Trump. She vehemently disagrees with him on certain aspects and she has clear reasons for doing so but he still respects her, and he has openly said so. Their are very few other Democrats, if any, who can say that Trump has openly said he respects them. She obviously respects him as the serving President as well. They have, after all, had discussions over foreign policy. As I said, luckily she won’t be the 2020 Dem candidate. The DNC will never allow that to happen because she does not suck up to the industrial military complex and the big corporates. I said luckily because she is the one Dem who can be a threat to Trump because she, like Trump, has the support of the same base.
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CeradynePro9,374 posts
26 Dec 2019, 17:20
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26 Dec 2019, 17:20#15
You’re right Mike. I assumed that you meant she was dropping out of the Presidential race. She has in fact indicated that she won’t be running for Congress again.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
27 Dec 2019, 08:20
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27 Dec 2019, 08:20#16

Beeno

Did Trump not support the DP at one stage?   He switched back to the RP only in 2008 as far as I know.   The Socialists have taken over the DP and with Biden in trouble die to corruption allegations that will not go away - the media is now seemingly being sympathetic to Sanders and his aspiring VP Ocasio-Cortez, there will be  host of people switching party support in future.

My feeling is that Biden will not be the Presidential candidate of the DP - but Sanders may be - and that will be the death of the DP as a party,  About 50% of the DP supporters are die-hard socialists/communists and that would kill the Party.    What would the other half of the DP do - nominate their own independent candidate?

If that happens the DP may not w in even in New York, Chicago  and California,                   

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
27 Dec 2019, 11:43
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27 Dec 2019, 11:43#17

As a former Sanders supporter and a progressive Tulsi and Trump do not share the same base. The bloggers on  reitbart like her most of the demonrat candidates but point out her follies and the fact that she is a demonrat. 

AOC is too young to qualify for VP position. 

There could be a lower demonrat turnout but no signs yet of the party splitting. Hopefully that happens. 

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CeradynePro9,374 posts
27 Dec 2019, 12:17
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27 Dec 2019, 12:17#18

“ As a former Sanders supporter and a progressive Tulsi and Trump do not share the same base. ”

OK. Maybe I should have formulated my remark better. What I meant was that there are a lot of things where she and Trump agrees upon which would appeal to both her and Trump’s base and which could make it easy for someone who is not a 110% Trump supporter, to jump ship in favour of Tulsi. Someone who is, let’s say 90% in favour of Trump would never ever jump ship in favour of any of the other Dem candidates but may well have a look towards Tulsi. 

Maybe you should have a look at Tulsi’s campaign website and, in particular, check out her voting record and her bills introduced and passed with bipartisan support. 

Examples of views she shares with Trump:


Tulsi Gabbard on Civil Liberties

Key Points

  • Tulsi has spoken strongly against the unconstitutional sharing of Americans’ communications
  • Tulsi: “I firmly believe that a strong national defense and the protection of our civil liberties are equally important and compatible.” -Rep. Tulsi Gabbard
  • Tulsi is an original member of the bi-partisan 4th Amendment Caucus, to protect the privacy and security of Americans in the digital age: "Our laws regarding freedom, privacy, and civil liberties have not kept up with the rapid expansion of technology in today's digital age," said Rep. Tulsi Gabbard (D-Hawaii). "I look forward to working with the bipartisan coalition united behind this caucus to protect and strengthen the Fourth Amendment rights granted to each and every American under our Constitution."
  • Tulsi voted against legislation to reauthorize the warrantless collection of Americans' calls, emails, texts and other communications under the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act
Tulsi Gabbard on Criminal Justice Reform

Key Points:

  • Tulsi is a staunch advocate of criminal justice reform.
  • The U.S. has the highest incarceration rate in the entire world. Criminal justice reform can help achieve lower crime rates, greater productivity, reduced cost, improved mental health, and many other positive outcomes.
  • Tulsi has denounced the failed War on Drugs, noting that decades of policy that focuses on incarceration over rehabilitation has left generations of people ill-equipped to move on with their lives when they have done their time
  • Tulsi has spoken about the urgent need for criminal justice legislation to reduce recidivism, address the lack of transition for people have served their time, reduce the economic impact of billions spent every year on incarceration, and reduce the human impact of families broken up through incarceration
  • Tulsi has fought against the privatization of prisons; corporations profiting off incarceration is costly, dangerous and inhumane.

Legislation:


Tulsi Gabbard on Marijuana Legalization

Key points

  • Tulsi has been fighting to decriminalize marijuana and end the opioid epidemic throughout her years in Congress.  She is on the House Cannabis Caucus and has been endorsed by NORML. She has introduced two bipartisan marijuana bills along with Rep. Don Young (R-AK), NORML, and other supporters.
  • “Our current criminal justice system puts people in prison for smoking marijuana, while allowing corporations like Purdue Pharma who are responsible for the opioid-related deaths of thousands of people to walk away scot-free with their coffers full.” (Source)
Tulsi Gabbard on Sex Trafficking

Key Points:

  • Sex trafficking is a tragic form of modern day slavery
  • Tulsi is fighting to pass legislation to clear the criminal records of sex trafficking victims
  • With a criminal record, sex trafficking victims are vulnerable to being exploited again and again, as the record makes it difficult for them to find jobs and housing
  • Tulsi received the Ho’ola Na Pua Advocacy Award for her dedication to serving and empowering human trafficking survivors in Hawai‘i.

Legislation:

Tulsi Gabbard on Net Neutrality

Key Points

  • Tulsi strongly supports net neutrality as a “cornerstone of our democracy”

  • Net neutrality ensures a level playing field for everyone on the internet; large corporations have backed the repeal of net neutrality

  • Ending net neutrality promotes “pay to play” politics, enabling those with the most money to have the biggest voice

  • Net neutrality is essential to protect our First Amendment rights; an open internet helps level the playing field for all  

Legislation

  • H.R. 196 Online Competition and Consumer Choice Act of 2015 to prohibit multi-tiered pricing agreements between ISPs and content providers  

  • H.R. 2666 Tulsi voted NO on legislation to repeal net neutrality, the No Rate Regulation of Broadband Internet Access Act


I can go on and quote all of her campaign views, but as you can see, she is way more level headed than any of the other clowns. I have not even touched on her ideas on foreign policy and stopping these endless bloody wars.

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CeradynePro9,374 posts
31 Dec 2019, 15:21
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31 Dec 2019, 15:21#19

Hey Beeno, check this. I actually watched the live stream while Jimmy was chatting to Tulsi. This, IMO, is another major reason why the Dems will never allow her to get through and become their nominee for the presidency. That is, of course, apart from the many aspects where she agrees with Trump:


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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
31 Dec 2019, 16:19
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31 Dec 2019, 16:19#20

Note Gabbard didn't vote against impeachment. Have followed the whole sham impeachment saga. Trump did nothing wrong. How the heck did Trump abuse his power! Tulsi is a JOKE and d ishonest. Proof she is a democrat Party member. She is a complete and utter FAKE. Dangerous type.

She is saying differing from her views on national security issues warrants a censure by Congress.!!!!!!!!!!!!

The sham impeachment swung the polls against the demonrats BECAUSE there was NO evidence.

Thankfully this crazy is going nowhere. She is very confused. She wants to heal the nation but is very anti Trump!

Where does she stand on open borders and abortion?

Former speaker Gingrich says correctly there will only be one winner in this battle. Nothing Gabbard can do can reconcile such huge differences.

Decent democrats can ONLY walk away.



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CeradynePro9,374 posts
31 Dec 2019, 16:45
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31 Dec 2019, 16:45#21
Woosh.
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
31 Dec 2019, 17:42
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31 Dec 2019, 17:42#22
Anybody can type woosh. Try explaining yourself instead.
Tulsi thinks Trump is such a bad President he should be voted out. She is a ignorant clown or a liar or both.America has probably NEVER had a President who has done so much for the country in so short a time. Nobody needs Tulsi to come along and undermine that.Leave the demonrats, wise up or go away and serve in the military or whatever. At least with Schiff its the devil in plain sight. Tulsi is more subtle.

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CeradynePro9,374 posts
31 Dec 2019, 20:29
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31 Dec 2019, 20:29#23
Ok. Let’s walk this back. I said that she is the one Dem candidate who can give Trump a run for his money. I never said that she could/would beat him. I said that they share the same base. I acknowledged that I should have qualified it, and then I did. I said that they have many of the same views on many subjects. I even gave you an extract of some of her voting record as well as some of the meaningful bills that she co-sponsored. I can give you a lot more but I want to get back to her interview with Jimmy Dore. She said clearly that she totally disagree with the rest of the Dems that what Trump was impeachable. She said that she did not agree with what he did. It is well in her right to disagree with him. For the record, I also believe that he did nothing wrong but I do think that he went about it in the wrong way. The reason why I say this is because he left the door open for the left to pounce and make something out of nothing. So, in effect, he says his call was perfect. I disagree. It was not perfect. If it was he would have been able to say what he did in such a way that the left had nothing on him. For that reason, and that reason alone, I don’t think that it was a perfect call. That’s why Tulsi’s call for censure in stead of impeachment makes more sense, IMO. It basically means saying to him: “You got away this time but watch your mouth”. Your remarks about her being a liar, is a bit far fetched, IMO. You demand that I explain myself yet you flatly call her a liar without any explanation. You took offence of her opposing Trump and his idea and voting him out. I see no problem with that at all. She doesn’t agree with him, so she embark on a no bullshit campaign with no underhanded dark bullshit. A straightforward campaign with no kowtowing and virtue signalling to try and convince the electorate to vote for her. That’s the democratic way to do it, or don’t you agree? Would you rather she choose the Hillary Clinton/Debbie Wasserman Shultz/Nancy Pelosi/Al Green route instead?
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
31 Dec 2019, 22:54
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31 Dec 2019, 22:54#24

As you admit Trump did nothing wrong. If Trump deliberately left an opening it was a masterstroke. Take the articles to the Senate or not the demonrats LOSE

Remember also in terms of the law the President should not give aid to a corrupt regime. 

The CALL WAS  perfect. 

Why in the world should there be any censure when Trump did nothing wrong. Why should he watch his mouth!!! Tulsi is talking a load of BS. She is polishing her marbles with her party. She knows darn well that Trump did nothing wrong. 

Again what has she said about open borders sanctuary cities and abortion?

Tulsi is lying. She has to know also the good Trump has done but she wants him out. She acts as though it's all for the good of America that Trump is censured and goes because he is bad for the country.!if she is not lying and is that stupid thank goodness she has zero chance of winning. 

She knows or should know Trump did nothing wrong but wants him censured as a warning. What a load of utter nonsense. 

Tulsi remains in a party that is horrendously corrupt. What did hinest Tulsi say about the Russian collusion hoax?

She might try to hide her radical progressive communist bent but you don't support a commie like Bernie then change just like that. 

What Tulsi saw was that Biden was not go to make it and that his campaign would flounder. She then tried to position herself as a moderate while attacking Trump for NO good reason. 

From Bernie supporter to moderate. Give me a break! 

What I don't like about Tulsi is that she is a fraud. 

She is hiding who she is to get the votes of the moderate demorats. 

She is a demonrat and I have no time for any of them. Having seen their antics over the last 5 years I have zero respect for them. They are poison. 

In my opinion no decent person should stay in the demonrat party. You cannot support such a bunch of loons. 

As I said Tulsi must leave the demorats and must wise up. Then we can talk again. 



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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
01 Jan 2020, 07:22
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01 Jan 2020, 07:22#25

Shuman was closely involved in the whistleblower saga and now claimed that new documentation is out that would be decisive in dealing with the Impeachment of Trump.  The whole story is so twisted that they may have realized the case is going nowhere and they now have a third whistleblower from the CIA around - or maybe even a fourth one.        

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