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'Not an accident': Target of death threats points to way GOP can end Trump retribution vow

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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
20 Dec 2024, 22:51
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20 Dec 2024, 22:51#1

The target of dozens of death threats linked to the MAGA movement made a public plea to Republicans to halt Donald Trump’s vow of retribution Friday.

Eric Swalwell (D-CA) and his family have been hit by many “credible” threats that have been investigated by law enforcement.

People are in jail for wanting to kill me and my kids," he wrote for MSNBC Friday. "I spent $315,000 this past Congress on personal security to protect myself and my family. I know the consequences of dissent."

Swalwell began receiving threats after speaking out on issues including gun control and investigations into Trump.

And he fears that now that Trump is returning to power, and has nominated Kash Patel — a man who has openly called for retribution — to head the FBI, the threats will worsen.

He said the only way to stop them is for individual Republicans to grow spines and stand up to their leader.

“The presidential election cycle wasn’t just about re-election: It was about avoiding justice and more importantly, for him, punishing those who oppose him,” Swalwell wrote.

“Many times this year he has threatened his perceived opponents, the press and even members of his own political party. Anyone who stands in his way is vulnerable. We should also assume that, since he was last president, he’s honed his ability to lash out against his opponents.”

Swalwell admitted he had no hope that individual Republicans will stand up to help him — and others in his position.

“If you’re counting on a single Republican congressman or senator to stop him, forget it,” he wrote.

“They’ll shrink. He’ll overpower them. They’ll fear they will become public enemy No. 1 among conservatives and their lives will be turned upside down with threats to their safety and country club memberships.”

But, he said the recent failure of former Rep. Matt Gaetz (R-FL) to become attorney general gave a clear message that members of the party will fight back — if they’re not alone.

“If they can take a silent, collective action, they can be effective. No one can point to a specific single senator who blocked the Gaetz nomination. That’s not an accident. By banding together, a half-dozen senators said, “Hell no” and made Gaetz’s path impossible

“Do they have it in them to do it again? And again? And again, until the message is received by Trump that they will not rubber stamp America’s path to a dictatorship?”

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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
21 Dec 2024, 02:20
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21 Dec 2024, 02:20#2
MSNBC Whahahahaha!!! This guy... " In June 2020, Swalwell compared Richard Grenell, a Trump ally and former acting Director of National Intelligence, to Joseph Goebbels, the Nazi propaganda minister. He referred to Grenell as “Goebbels with a Twitter account” in response to Grenell’s defense of Trump’s actions during protests. " The same people that compare Trump and his allies to Nazis, stirring up unimaginable hate and confusion, culminating in assassination attempts...are crying about their own safety. Pathetic. ...but it's what we've come to expect from you, Denise.
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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
21 Dec 2024, 03:37
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21 Dec 2024, 03:37#3

The batshit convicted felon's behaviour on Jan6 was disgustingly deplorable.

A shameful sies.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
21 Dec 2024, 04:40
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21 Dec 2024, 04:40#4

The moment I saw the name Swalwell it reminds me of the traitor who slept with a Chinse spy and has been lying almost as muchas Schoff about the Russian Hoax.   H e is filth adn nbdy threaten im - but the Republicans kicked hm out of the Secuioruty House Committeee because of that.  The threat about MAGA acting against him is BS.    The only threat scame from BLM and Antifa - te terroris subsidiaries of the DP started by Obama,

The fact is the Justice Depatment wil investigate the criminal looting of Sate resources like Swalwell using election dontions used to travel to the Gulf States, China and France and if he is guilty he would be charged - so Biden must also pardon that traitorous shit.

The man is filth of te wrst anture that has one common track with Biden - he is a liar,    If the present weaponized FBI became aware of the so-called Swallwel threat they would by now have arrested somebody they would accuse of it.    So there  was o threat - only BS  by a criminal BSter that is a scum piece of shit.

Keep on finding shit and spreading it on site.   I think he is afraid that tjhe Jstice Department will act  his criminal acivities and send him to jail,   That will rid the House from having scum like him maing BS statements to the media.

You are delightfiul when writing BS on site an so does Denny.   A bit of checking  would have found out tha Swallwel is in deep shit for a variety of reasons - least of all being a pofessional liar most importantly  being an alleged  criminal that would be investigated and if founmd of guiltym charged and ends up in jail.

 Sies          

  

      

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
21 Dec 2024, 04:57
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21 Dec 2024, 04:57#5

If Trump was involved in anything on January 6 he would have been charged - but they waited for years bcause they new the incident was BS and there are still 400 in jail without being charged of anything after the security camera  release ad he findings of the scam show by the Pelosi Committee was discredited and shamed by the Official Hous report on the incident.

The shit knows what hey did and is now running for cover of destroying House documents after the sham hearings of the Pelosi Committee,    So you do not know the difference between reality and BS  propagada that in hend backfired on the Democrats because they se lawfare against Trump in he 2024 election camaign.

By the way tht 400 peope did nothing other han trespassing on Governmen property and tha is why the Supreme Court should ave been charged with trespassing on Government Property.  The propagand they made out of nothing is going to cost the U S Government billions of dollars in claims against the Biden regime paricipated in by using Gestapo methods.   So the taxpayers wil end up paying compensation to 1 100 people.    Sies BB

       

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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
21 Dec 2024, 05:20
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21 Dec 2024, 05:20#6
From the NY Post discussing how images of Nazi rallies were spliced into coverage of Trump's NY rally... https://nypost.com/2024/10/28/us-news/shameful-msnbc-blasted-for-splicing-nazi-rally-clips-into-coverage-of-trumps-msg-rally/ But it's fine to convince people that the opposition is equivalent to the Nazi regime even though there are ZERO similarities. It's fine to stir up hate and division to the point where people are so hateful towards the other side, which they have been told is evil, that they feel justified in their violence against them. But heaven forbid a Dem who fully took part in all of that gets some of his own hate back. It's a joke. But keep posting this cope, Denise. ...it's wonderful watching you come apart. LMFAOAYF!
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PakieCaptain17,321 posts
21 Dec 2024, 05:49
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21 Dec 2024, 05:49#7

Let the fear mongerers feel what fear feels like.

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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
21 Dec 2024, 10:28
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21 Dec 2024, 10:28#8

But it's fine to convince people that the opposition is equivalent to the Nazi regime even though there are ZERO similarities.

Zero? ...someone doesn't know their history.

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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
21 Dec 2024, 10:42
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21 Dec 2024, 10:42#9
Oh FFS... Yes, Trump is a human with a zealous following. Yes he talks to crowds of people. Where is the Nazi part?
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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
21 Dec 2024, 11:16
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21 Dec 2024, 11:16#10

Zero?...someone doesn't know their history.

Zero?...someone doesn't know.

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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
21 Dec 2024, 13:03
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21 Dec 2024, 13:03#11
Where is the Nazi part?

The part where he referred to immigrants 'poisoning the blood of our country'. Or that time he referred to the nearly all white crowd he was addressing as having 'good genes'. Or that time he posted a video which referenced a 'Unified Reich'.

There is also claims from his former chief of staff John Kelly, that Trump claimed Hitler did some good things and wanted German generals.
But I also see strong parallels in that like Hitler he has his big lie. With Hitler it was the stab in the back myth. Trump has his big lie with the 2020 elections being stolen.
There is also a parallel in what referred to as othering. The creation of an enemy within society that are not truly part of its, reinforced through a constant process of vilification and dehumanization. With Hitler it was the primarily the Jews, but also other people like Gypsies and homosexuals. With Trump its primarily immigrants, but you could include what he calls the radical left or just people that don't agree with him in general.

Trump sells the public a threat that he as a strongman will protect the public from.






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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
21 Dec 2024, 13:36
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21 Dec 2024, 13:36#12

 Stav

Sure there is no sign of any history of the Rpublican Party linked to any ulra-right wing organization and no lnk to Fascism - while there were plenty links between  Democrats supporting the Nazi's.    Those peope at tha rally 85 ears ago weer 90% certain to be Democrats.   They were the key part of he KKK until the 1960 and after that one of their  leading Senators(Byrne) in fact was the ex-leader of the KKK.   Biden was a speaker at Byrne's funera and praise him to  high  heaven'

There is plenty of evidence that the Biden Regime turned rogue and used the FBI in their Gestapo-style operations.    The House now produiced a 17 000 page report on how the FBI and Jutice Department were weaponized against the people of the USA that oposes the  dictatorship regime of Biden and especially the finding  of he FIS Court about how the FBI spied on 278 000 people illegaly and unconstitutionally.   

It deals with the WH, the FBI and the Justice Department use regular meetings with the meia and media plarforms to censor the media by not publishing news reports tha could b embarrassing the Biden Regime.    That set-up was originally exposed by Musk when he took over X - however, Zuckerberg has since confirmed what happened and apologizzed to the people o the USA by co-operating with a Stalinist Regime of Biden.

The people learned one bitter thing about the conduct of the Biden Regime and in an inion poll conducted by CNN indicated that Harris is a bigger threat to Democracy than Trump is.   Hrris 52% - Trump 45%.    CNN nearly had a seizure when the results came ou - but here were noth ing they could do about it.    After one panel discussion CNN drop the results and went on with their own campaign  - hiding the truth was less imporant than their lies about  Trump bing a Fascist.

So  Stav and Denny - provide us with proof that Trump or the Republican Partyy are Fascists.   What  proof have you got that the Republicans are Fasists,   BS by The Guardian is no proof, give us legal or financial proof of any linkage to Fascism of he Republican Party please.            .

I did not see your BS explanation and it is B S supreme.   When Trump attacked the Ope Border Policy he dealt also with the amssive drug operation and when he referred to poisoning it relates to the circa 150 000 people who died from Fentanyl poisoning as a result.  

Trump fired Kelly becuse he was incompetent  and the man hated him as a result,   What he ssid was not said nder oath in a court of law.

When in an opinion polls  61% of the voters in the US A  said there was election fraud in the 2020 election  and I even posted  full report of how many people - all Democrts - were charged and found  guilty of election fraud    The only problem is that there was mt immeiate proof of fraud,      Once Democrat fraud in election came out - the Republicans tried to prevent a repeat of fraud in 2024.   They had lawyers in each counting center and observers.    A  typical example was in he Senate Election in Pennsylvania where the D P tried to get fake votes counted,     The Court ruled that the votes cannot be counted and it became an embarrassment when Schumer tries to decide himself  who won the election and try to bar the elected Senator from the Senate.     There are court caes looming about the shit hapened when the D P delayed election results on lower level in California, Arizona, Michigan and Wisconsin,     Fact is there will be an invesigation where people would give under oath of what happened in the case of a number of House and Sente seats,   So don't be too hapy that you proved anything - you wriote what the The Guardian told you to believe,

There is also a parallel in what referred to as othering. The creation of an enemy within society that are not truly part of its, reinforced through a constant process of vilification and dehumanization. With Hitler it was the primarily the Jews, but also other people like Gypsies and homosexuals. With Trump its primarily immigrants, but you could include what he calls the radical left or just people that don't agree with him in general.

The creaion of the enemy  within was created by the DP and their suporting press.   Trump has n prolems with legal immigrans - the flood  cf people Biden encouraged to enter the Country and he pouring in of people from 150 countries worldwide  is BS.    By te way your heroes in Germny  got a motion of no cofidence in the Reichstag and the leader of the opposition said he is going to close the boder iro illegal immigrants entering the country - is he a Nazi as well?
Talking of creating an enemy withinm was top scale ffort by the press in the USA.   The hatespreading by the media supporting the Democats was limitless and based on lies,   It had potentialy dangerous conseqences as is evidenced by the assassination attempts on Trump.    But the situation has other negative effects for the media as well,    Trump sued media that call him a Fascist for billions of dollars and  in the first case  about  a diferen ce  ABC had to cove up $16 milion - $15 million to go to the funding of the Trump Mueum and Library.  ABC is also part of the $10 billion clams 
So try again Stav and find some real proof - what you came up thus far is no proof of anything bar prejudice and hatred by yourself.    Sick BS at best.
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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
21 Dec 2024, 15:24
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21 Dec 2024, 15:24#13
Star Are you for real that absolute bunch horse shit that you just wasted my time with?
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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
21 Dec 2024, 15:55
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21 Dec 2024, 15:55#14
Wrong thread
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
21 Dec 2024, 16:04
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21 Dec 2024, 16:04#15

Pres

It is no use to try and tell  Stav and D enny anthing - all they believe in si the BS they get from rags like The Guatdian.     

The last sentence of Stav above is weird.    I do not understand what he is driving at.   Biden was  weaklingand when i comes to inernational affairs so was Obama.     Obama was a total idiot on inerna ional level and he signed trade agreements with Canada and Mexico as well as an agrement woth China Trump tore up the agreements and started to negotiate new deals that would protect the interests of  all parties involvedm   The NAFTA deal was re-negotiated and a new dea was signed - even Pelosi bragged about how good the agreement was.   The China agreement was finalized and ready for sigbnature when Trump found out res Xi was lying abot the Covid issue and  refuse to sign it -why Biden was too stupid to take theamter firther.   

What I am trying to clarify foreign leades disliked to deal with rump because e wa princpled and a strong US leader,    Unlike Biden - that was weak shit - Putin told ABC that Trump is a difficult person to negotiate with on anything since he put the interests of the USA first.   Foreign leaders as well ss US citizens reggard Trump as a strong leader - but there is not a single case where he maltreated US citizens like was the case of Biden d his Administration,     The US people wants to hve a person respected by leaders worldwide and not the shit tht went all out to destroy the Country.          

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
21 Dec 2024, 16:47
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21 Dec 2024, 16:47#16

He joked to Trudeau about annexing Canada.OMG he must be looking for lebensraum, perhaps he has Nazi leanings after all . …..hahaha. In inventing all this rubbish, you fellows only make yourselves look hysterical.

Relax, the people elected Trump fairly. If he gets out of line the institutions of American government will restrain him. In the meantime, with any luck he might fix a few things that need fixing.

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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
21 Dec 2024, 16:50
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21 Dec 2024, 16:50#17

Are you for real that absolute bunch horse shit that you just wasted my time with? 

If you can't see the similarities then you're ignorant of history.

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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
21 Dec 2024, 16:58
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21 Dec 2024, 16:58#18
He joked to Trudeau about annexing Canada.OMG he must be looking for lebensraum, perhaps he has Nazi leanings after all. …..hahaha.
As if his other comments where said as a joke.

In inventing all this rubbish, you fellows only make yourselves look hysterical.
""They're eating the dogs, the people that came in, they're eating the cats""
Yes we're the hysterical ones.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
21 Dec 2024, 17:44
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21 Dec 2024, 17:44#19

I can see the similariies in action of Biden with Stalin and Hitler when  he got the FBI to spy on 278 000 potential opponents and when they arrest people and keep them in jail without trial - while tellig them if they admit guilt for a fairy tail the Justice Department compiled and tell them if they do not admit they would keep them in jail indefinitely. .    

That was practical and actual situations - not make belief BS.    I belief in what actually happened and not what you saw in the Gaurdian as evidence.     

Sorry Stav - I agree with Pres - what you wrote was typical Gardian horseshit.           

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
21 Dec 2024, 17:48
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21 Dec 2024, 17:48#20

No you are the hysterical ones on the left…..there are plenty of hysterical ones on the right. But Russian Collusion and the Nazi take over of America are classics…what’s next membership pf the Golden Horde?

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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
21 Dec 2024, 18:10
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21 Dec 2024, 18:10#21

No you are the hysterical ones on the left…..there are plenty of hysterical ones on the right. But Russian Collusion and the Nazi take over of America are classics…what’s next membership pf the Golden Horde?

LOL Russian Collusion, its the right that spend all their time bringing it up . As for a Nazi take over, what the left is saying is that they can see some parallels with fascism and authoritarianism of the past. Do we know how serious Trump is when he says these things, well its hard to say but it feels like America is taking an awful risk voting him into office. The right is either ignorant of history, or they just don't care because its their team. You seem to have great faith in institutions of America restraining him, but I wouldn't want to take the risk in the first place.



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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
21 Dec 2024, 18:35
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21 Dec 2024, 18:35#22
"If you can't see the similarities then you're ignorant of history." Umm you are the one comparing Trump's views on ILLEGAL immigration to Hitler's view on Jews. South Africa has a huge illegal immigration problem and the local black people are complaining about it endlessly. They see it as a blight on the country. I guess that the Zulus and Xhosas here have Nazi tendencies. Another occasion where TDS is causing you to suspend logic in order to toe the left line.
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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
21 Dec 2024, 19:29
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21 Dec 2024, 19:29#23

Umm you are the one comparing Trump's views on ILLEGAL immigration to Hitler's view on Jews.

No umm...when Trump refers to immigrants poisoning the blood of the country that strongly evokes Hitler/Nazi ideology of there being a superior race who's bloodline should not be contaminated by mixing with inferior bloodlines. That sort of language is an absolute dog whistle designed to appeal to racists.

Another occasion where TDS is causing you to suspend logic in order to toe the left line.

Scientology has nothing on the cult of Trump.


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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
21 Dec 2024, 19:42
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21 Dec 2024, 19:42#24
It evokes Hitler in your head because you don't understand that Democracy is the "blood" of the country and one party, namely the guys you support, letting illegal immigrants in knowing that they'll then vote for them...is literally poisoning democracy. That is exactly what he was referring to. That is what all the hearings in congress are about and that is exactly what Elon was talking about. It's like you completely ignore every bit bit of evidence to arrive at your conclusions. You don't have to imagine anything. The argument is very clear and it has nothing at all to do with labelling anyone of any race, religion or gender as "other". It has absolutely nothing to do Nazism. Hitler hated any/all Jews and wanted to exterminate them. It didn't matter if they were citizens or not. How the hell do you compare Trump to Hitler, with a straight face? Like I said, a complete load of unadulterated horse shit. Do better.
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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
21 Dec 2024, 20:53
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21 Dec 2024, 20:53#25

It evokes Hitler in your head because you don't understand that Democracy is the "blood" of the country and one party, namely the guys you support, letting illegal immigrants in knowing that they'll then vote for them...is literally poisoning democracy.

LOL you talk about me not understanding democracy and yet you think illegal immigrants can vote. ROFL

That is exactly what he was referring to. That is what all the hearings in congress are about and that is exactly what Elon was talking about. It's like you completely ignore every bit bit of evidence to arrive at your conclusions.

Well leaving aside your ignorance of American democracy for just a second... lets look at what Trump said in more detail.

“They let — I think the real number is 15, 16 million people into our country. When they do that, we got a lot of work to do. They’re poisoning the blood of our country, that’s what they’ve done. They poison mental institutions and prisons all over the world, not just in South America, not just to three or four countries that we think about, but all over the world. They’re coming into our country from Africa, from Asia, all over the world.”

And then he doubled down on it on social media with the post.

“illegal immigration is poisoning the blood of our nation. They’re coming from prisons, from mental institutions — from all over the world.”

He's clearing demonizing illegal immigrants as criminals and dangerous people. Absolutely nothing to do with voting and you know it. Your just making an excuse for him like a good little cultist.

It has absolutely nothing to do Nazism.

Hitler hated any/all Jews and wanted to exterminate them. It didn't matter if they were citizens or not. How the hell do you compare Trump to Hitler, with a straight face?

Like I said, a complete load of unadulterated horse shit.

Do better. 

When people compare Trump and Hitler its more a comparison of the methods they used to gain power. Hitler hated all Jews alright but the decision to exterminate them came much later. And when you say there was no difference between German Jews and Jews outside of Germany in Hitlers mind you're correct but on the long path to holocaust Hitler at first needed to convince the German population to turn against German Jews, it was a starting point. Now I'm not saying Trump is going do a holocaust on illegal immigrants, as while I do believe Trump is a racist I don't think its a motivating factor for him, he's more of a casual racist but he's more than happy to appeal to more hardcore racists and its both the emboldening of them, where it leaves them in the future along with a concern about Trump's authoritarian tendencies that's the concern.

Like I said, a complete load of unadulterated horse shit.

Do better. 

You're up there with Jon Snow. You know nothing. You don't understand history and you don't understand why the left criticize Trump. You just know the pre-programmed responses, but go on, just keep saying TDS.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
21 Dec 2024, 22:34
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21 Dec 2024, 22:34#26

Stav

Stop thinking - it is extemely dsngerous thing to do  by people like you.   

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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
21 Dec 2024, 22:47
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21 Dec 2024, 22:47#27
Oh, I didn't say illegals could vote, did I? I said the Dems were letting in illegals and they would then vote Dem. At some point they do become citizens. And when they do, you better believe they'll vote for the guys that let them in. = Dems subverting democracy by allowing illegals into the USA. But sure, Star...I obviously believe that illegals can turn up and vote in Federal elections. I'd say I'm not sure why you keep pulling this stuff, but I've seen enough of how you operate to make my conclusions at this point. Are illegal immigrants criminals? I'll give you a clue...it's in the name FFS. People that break US laws by entering the country illegally are CRIMINALS. Why? Because they have committed a crime. But none of this means much because Trump might absolutely despise illegal immigrants. He might insult them at every turn. But that is not Nazism. Unless, of course, any person anywhere that is harsh on crime, doesn't like criminals, speaks out against them, and seeks to follow the law in dealing with whatever crime they have committed is a Nazi? But this exactly the left tactic. Unless people want to accept mass illegal immigration, they are Nazis. If they don't want to accept their kids being taught that there are an infinite amount of genders, they are homophobic. ...on and on. Agree with us or you are the worst of the worst. Follow our logic, or you're a Nazi. And that's not dangerous rhetoric at all, right? Please, don't talk about being programmed, cos you actually sound like a robot. ...spouting exactly the type of shit that causes people to attempt to assassinate presidents, physically attack people for their opinions...on and on. Tell me, when Hillary called people deplorables...was that a Nazi dog whistle? When those late night talk show hosts refer to the "rust belt" and "rednecks", are those Nazi dog whistles? I mean, they are perpetuating the idea of "others", aren't they?
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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
21 Dec 2024, 22:48
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21 Dec 2024, 22:48#28

Comparing Trump to fascists

Many fear that a Trump presidency aspires to a form of fascist rule. Here, DR ANDREW BROOKS examines both Trump's use of comparative rhetoric and metaphor for signs of this, and how these techniques have also been deployed by his critics to underline his threat.

What makes someone a Fascist? Is it the things they say? The actions they take? Or the assessment of their colleagues and opponents? In an interview with the New York Times, Donald Trump’s former Chief of Staff, General John Kelly told the newspaper the 45th President fitted the description of a fascist. Kamala Harris also denounced Trump as a ‘fascist’ who wants ‘unchecked power’. Kelly highlighted how Trump wished for ‘the kind of generals Hitler had’ and wanted a more compliant military hierarchy.

Harris has raised further concerns about the lack of checks and balances on a potential second Trump presidency: “people like John Kelly would not be there to be the guardrails against his propensities and his actions. Those who once tried to stop him from pursuing his worst impulses would no longer be there and no longer be there to rein him in.” Whereas Trump himself has riled against the comparison and said he was the ‘opposite’ of Adolf Hitler in response to Kelly’s stinging critique.

Should we be comparing Trump to Hitler and fearing the consequences of an unchecked second term? Let’s take a step back from the recent headlines and look at the ways in which Trump has previously used comparative rhetoric as a method of political communication, both to draw parallels between himself and another international leader to embellish his reputation, and aggressively to give more force to his toxic arguments.

When he faced ninety-one criminal charges in 2023, Trump insisted he was not afraid of prison and likened himself to a famous inmate: ‘I don’t mind being Nelson Mandela, because I’m doing it for a reason.’ He could not have picked an icon further from Fascism. The comparison with the dignified Nobel Peace Prize-winning South African was absurd: one was imprisoned for leading the fight against apartheid, the other faced criminal indictments and civil trials spanning allegations he inflated his wealth, misclassified hush money payments to women, tried to overturn the 2020 election loss, and hoarded classified documents. The former was imprisoned for upholding his beliefs, fighting racism, and leading a movement for justice, the latter was trying to save his reputation and avoid a custodial sentence.

Yet by bringing his personal legal challenges and Mandela's struggle together, Trump used a comparison to structure his political statement and give it more strength than if he had merely said, ‘I don’t mind going to prison, because I’m doing it for a reason.’ By drawing a moral equivalence and placing himself alongside the anti-racist Black leader he disorientates the audience, who may wonder if Trump has a point about the wider political context of the charges being brought against him.

As well as using comparison as a defensive mechanism, Trump has been aggressive in his provocative use of metaphors. Most caustically he zeros in on the issue of migration and compares undocumented immigrants to an infection that is ‘poisoning the blood of our country’. More broadly he compares his political opponents to ‘vermin’: ‘We pledge to you that we will root out the communists, Marxists, fascists, and the radical left thugs that live like vermin within the confines of our country,’ he proclaimed to a crowd in New Hampshire. Note here how fascists are positioned alongside Trump’s other enemies signalling that this right-wing ultra nationalist badge is not a label he would ever assign himself.

Trump's dangerous metaphorical language is invidious and the ‘othering’ of groups such as political opponents, including the whole spectrum of left-wing politics, is a sign of his own authoritarianism. Through his public discourse he is cooking up an existential threat. He wants the voters to feel uncertain and fearful, that the temperature is rising and only a political strongman can 'douse the flames'. Trumpian language is widely critiqued but is not easily dismissed. It is the job of a free press, academia and a wider engaged civil society to continually castigate such abuses of language, not just because they are deplorable turns of phrase, but because they can have real-world consequences and be a harbinger of totalitarianism.

Trump’s dehumanising language clearly echoes Fascist speech, despite his nonsensical comparison with Mandela and his flipping of fascism as a label to criticise his own opponents. Kelly and Harris have done the right thing in calling out his nascent fascism. Both could have done so earlier in the electoral process, but so should have many cautious political commentators and other passive world leaders. Words matter. What is happening in America is terrifying for many that fear a rise in fascism, but this is not a unique phenomenon. Across Europe populist leaders including Marine Le Pen in France and André Ventura in Portugal have made similar comments, and their inflammatory language offers a model for the Reform UK party. It takes guts to stand up to the toxicity of fascist worldviews.

If Trump wins on the 5th November, and his actions follow his words, will Keir Starmer be brave enough to also call this man a Fascist? Will he ever compare Donald Trump to Adolf Hitler?

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https://www.kcl.ac.uk/comparing-trump-to-fascists
Andrew Brooks

Reader in Uneven Development & Deputy Head of Department

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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
22 Dec 2024, 01:12
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22 Dec 2024, 01:12#29

You're up there with Jon Snow. You know nothing. You don't understand history and you don't understand why the left criticize Trump. You just know the pre-programmed responses, but go on, just keep saying TDS.

Not sure why you bother Stav,  Buttplug is a typical Trump-Zombie with the added dimension of being an attention seeker. He loves his soap box, like a wound up toy he'll go forever and always finishes up with having the last say. He actually believes that he has a board audience I kid you not!

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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
22 Dec 2024, 01:18
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22 Dec 2024, 01:18#30

Through his public discourse he is cooking up an existential threat.

But we've been told to 'move on' now that Trump has been elected.....I only have one question why sh ould we.....has Trump changed? If anything he sounds and seems more threatening in a negative way. I hope I'm wrong.

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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
22 Dec 2024, 02:21
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22 Dec 2024, 02:21#31

H e was clearly batshit before the election .................. winning by the slimmest majority since ma fell off a bus doesn't 'unbatshit' him. What it does confirm though is that there are clearly more batshit folk in the US than I imagined . 

You're right Denny ...............  an angry felon seeking revenge & retribution, the classic 'ugly American.'

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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
22 Dec 2024, 05:09
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22 Dec 2024, 05:09#32

Not only an angry felon but also a very powerful angry felon. Put it this way, he owns the Republican Party, no-one in the party dares to disagree with him, it's his way or the highway, his appointees are all Yes people. The Trump Party owns both sides of the house, lawmakers will be compelled to sign off on his every demand. He also owns the Supreme Court and several Federal Courts, no-one will dare stand in his way because he is Emperor.

People like Liz Cheyney will be at the top of his revenge list and so also everyone else who dared to challenge him.....Michael Cohen is another.

It would be a grand act if he brought the country together as a kickoff point, better the economy and create more jobs, grow the middle class and fix the primitive gun laws.

It won't happen.

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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
22 Dec 2024, 05:53
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22 Dec 2024, 05:53#33
Only Denise is so y enough to make both of these post, one after the other. "But we've been told to 'move on' now that Trump has been elected.....I only have one question why should we.....has Trump changed? If anything he sounds and seems more threatening in a negative way. I hope I'm wrong" "It would be a grand act if he brought the country together as a kickoff point, better the economy and create more jobs, grow the middle class and fix the primitive gun laws." Hopefully Americans aren't as brain damaged as you Denise. Densie logic - Hopefully Trump unites America but at the same time we won't move on. The hysterical girl doesn't seem to know what she wants
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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
22 Dec 2024, 08:27
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22 Dec 2024, 08:27#34
Against my better judgement, I read that article, Blo. Did you read it? It fails to site any examples of Trump's supposed Nazi'ness. It says he made a poor comparison between himself and Mandela - last I checked this is not any proof of anything other than ego and human nature. It then talks about "dehumanising" people. Again, I draw your attention to Clinton, and so many other leftist statements on people that don't line up with their political views. And again, I will ask you...is this dehumanisation and does it equate to being a Nazi? That entire article, supposedly attempting to assess whether the "Trump is a Nazi" claims are justified, makes absolutely zero case for it. It's a bunch of garbage aimed at character assassination without providing any evidence as to the assessment it's heading supposedly claims will make. I do have a question for you. You guys talk about "dangerous rhetoric". That's the underlying idea of this entire thread which Denise started. Basically the idea that "Trump Zombies" have supposedly threatened the life of a lefty politician and he's now so very afraid for his life. Now tell me, when that same outlet that published the article Denise posted here, compared Trump to Stalin and Hitler, what kind of rhetoric do you think that was? Good faith? Safe? And the very guy that wrote the original article in this thread, engaged in that same rhetoric of "Orange man is a Nazi." Now, let's an assume a population is told this. That Trump is a Nazi and possibly the next Hitler or Stalin. Within that population you will find a spectrum of reception of that information. That spectrum will range from people like me that think it's complete bullshit, to people like you that actually believe it, to people that will believe that Trump is the equivalent of Stalin or Hitler who will murder tens of millions of people, and that it is in them to do something about it. Do you see what I'm saying? I can assure you, that if I believe a person will be responsible for the death of tens of millions of people, I'm gonna grab my rifle and do something about it. I'm gonna lay in wait beside a road, on a roof, or in a bush...and when I lay eyes on that fucker, I'm gonna end him. And I'll happily spend the rest of my life in prison knowing that I saved millions of lives. Are you following? So, show me the Nazi. Show me the Stalin. Show me the evidence. Until then, don't be stupid enough to makes posts about dangerous rhetoric when the very person writing the article that is the subject of the post is literally spreading the most dangerous rhetoric that there is. Explain to me how any of the above is illogical.
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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
22 Dec 2024, 08:36
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22 Dec 2024, 08:36#35
And just drive the nail home. I asked ChatGPT this question in brand new thread, where I did not coach it in any way. You can do the same exercise... My Question; What is your opinion? In a couple of short paragraphs, are the comparisons of Trump to Hitler and Stalin justified or not, yes or no? ChatGPT answer; No, the comparisons between Donald Trump and figures like Adolf Hitler or Joseph Stalin are not justified. While Trump’s rhetoric and actions, such as divisive language and challenges to democratic norms, raise legitimate concerns, they do not approach the level of atrocities or totalitarianism committed by Hitler or Stalin. These historical figures were responsible for mass genocide, political purges, and the systemic dismantling of freedoms on a catastrophic scale, which far exceeds anything Trump has said or done. Comparing Trump to Hitler or Stalin risks trivializing the unique horrors of those regimes. While it is valid to critique Trump’s behavior for its potential impact on democracy and social cohesion, invoking such extreme comparisons undermines meaningful discourse and distracts from addressing specific issues with evidence and clarity. My opinion; Isn't it very weird how an uncoached AI agrees with me, and provides an obviously logical answer. While you guys, supposedly not suffering from TDS, just can't see the wood for the trees.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
22 Dec 2024, 09:28
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22 Dec 2024, 09:28#36

There will not be any retribution.- Trump himself said he is not interested  in that and his previous stint as President prove it anyway.   

Since many of his enmies were involved in criminal activities - inclusing of  bibery, corruption ad lying to Congress at Hosue and Senate Hearibgs - a crime with a minimum senense of 6 years imprisonment -  could  result in msny of them ending up in jail for criminal activities    

Alhough the media will claim it in such caes are "retribution" it will not be as the result of hem being charge  in a court of law,    Under both Obama and Biden the Justice Dpartment and FBI and Justice Department became involved in crime protection units when it comes  to criminal activities by politicians and bureaiucrats  not being investiated,   

That protection racket  was also used as being weapnized politically - that will sot happen under Trumps new administation.      When and if individuals have been charged and sentenced by a proper court of law nothing will happen to them,    

For instance the Special Council indicated in is report about Biden's handling of documents as illegal the said Speciall Council stated that he cannot recomment laying of  charges will not lad to posecution of Biden himself bcause he is suffering from mental deficiency, so no court cases would not find a mentally defcicient of crimes he cimmitted himself will not lead to him  being charged himself - but that will not be the case  with other accused without mental poblems.

That is why the  chsrging of  people may - depite Biden' effort to protect people of being charged by his pardoning of people ivolved in criminology will not work out,  sice it is a Biden effort to put people aboe the rule of law and will be rejected by the courts'

That is why the media and Biden Administartion is shouting retribuion - while there will not be any retribtion - but will not be unlawfully used purely on pesonal and political issues,     That is why the courts rejected the charges laid against Trump or the fake charges disintegrrated,   .

There are a lot of court claims of libel against media laid by Trump - but that is going to cost media outles  having to pay hundreds of billions in cout cases.    Although not related to claims that Trump and all Republicans are Fascists ABC aleady agreed to pay Trump $16 million for another libel claim and that is chicken feed compaed to the Nazi story BS. 


        

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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
22 Dec 2024, 12:01
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22 Dec 2024, 12:01#37

Oh, I didn't say illegals could vote, did I?

You literally just did.

I said the Dems were letting in illegals and they would then vote Dem.

At some point they do become citizens. And when they do, you better believe they'll vote for the guys that let them in.

= Dems subverting democracy by allowing illegals into the USA.

Leaving aside the completely unnuanced claim that dems were letting in illegals and leaving aside the fact that if illegal immigrants become citizens that they are NO LONGER ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS AND ENTITLED TO VOTE, do illegal immigrants who go on to become citizen tend to vote democrat?

Well two reports published before the 2020 US census, looked into it and found the number of seats gained and lost by both sides was a wash.

https://www.politifact.com/article/2024/mar/25/more-immigrants-equal-better-odds-for-democrats-af/

LOL you have the gall to accuse the Dems of trying to subvert democracy after Trump's 2020 election result denial and January 6th.

But sure, Star...I obviously believe that illegals can turn up and vote in Federal elections.

You see here is the thing, you have expressed all manner of beliefs here on this forum in the past so it isn't a stretch that you would believe such a thing. Asides from which Republicans from Trump to Musk pushed the narrative that non citizens could vote during the election campaign.

Also I like the way you have in the past expressed support for the idea of election fraud in 2020 but now your saying illegals can't vote in election. I guess they must have some system in place to stop illegals voting right...but they couldn't possibly prevent other types of voting fraud right. LOL

I'd say I'm not sure why you keep pulling this stuff, but I've seen enough of how you operate to make my conclusions at this point.

I'm not pulling anything. Its clear Republicans had been pushing the narrative that illegal immigrants (not illegal immigrants who want on to becomes citizens though I'm sure that's been pushed too) are voting. You didn't differentiate between the two.

Are illegal immigrants criminals? I'll give you a clue...it's in the name FFS. People that break US laws by entering the country illegally are CRIMINALS. Why? Because they have committed a crime.

Shifting the goalposts. Technically people who enter American illegally are committing a criminal act but that's not Trump is talking about when he makes speeches about illegal immigrants. He refers to them as drug dealers,rapists, and murders, criminals out of jail or insane asylums, people who are carrying deadly diseases, people who eat dogs and cats etc.  Of course you know this but your choosing to be deliberately obtuse.

But none of this means much because Trump might absolutely despise illegal immigrants. He might insult them at every turn. But that is not Nazism.

Insulting or demonizing them at every turn, is what Hitler did to the Jews, it was to condition the population to hate them.  Now you could say its just a coincidence that's what Trump is doing with immigrants but when he's refers to certain people as having good genes and immigrants poisoning the blood of the country, that is very Nazi-esque language.

Unless, of course, any person anywhere that is harsh on crime, doesn't like criminals, speaks out against them, and seeks to follow the law in dealing with whatever crime they have committed is a Nazi?

Strawman, no one is saying that.

But this exactly the left tactic. Unless people want to accept mass illegal immigration, they are Nazis.

Another strawman. What the left wants is a reasonable debate on immigration where the pro's and con's are discussed governed by facts, laws and human rights consideration.

If they don't want to accept their kids being taught that there are an infinite amount of genders, they are homophobic.

...on and on.

Agree with us or you are the worst of the worst.

Follow our logic, or you're a Nazi.

And that's not dangerous rhetoric at all, right?

Oh FFS you can't even straw man right, as if the Nazi's were pro LGBT. Jesus wept.

Please, don't talk about being programmed, cos you actually sound like a robot.

Herp derp TDS...herp derp...virtue signalling...herp derp

...spouting exactly the type of shit that causes people to attempt to assassinate presidents, physically attack people for their opinions...on and on. 

It looks like a duck, it quacks like a duck...how dare they call it a duck. Of course everyone should be against violence of any kind when it comes to politics but are you seriously going set their and pretend Trump's rhetoric doesn't result in more hate crimes against immigrants?

Tell me, when Hillary called people deplorables...was that a Nazi dog whistle?

When those late night talk show hosts refer to the "rust belt" and "rednecks", are those Nazi dog whistles?

I mean, they are perpetuating the idea of "others", aren't they?

Hillary didn't bring up bloodlines or genetics and when she used the basket of deplorables comment she specifically called them "racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamophobic", all but the latter were traits of Nazism. So I'm not sure how calling out traits that where mostly supported by Nazism is suppose to be a pro Nazi dog whistle.

Leaving that aside Hilary rode back on the comments the next day and unlike Trump it wasn't a reoccurring theme of her campaign.

As for rust belt and rednecks. Rust belt is not a slur, its just a term used for an area that's undergone industrial decline, if you think rust belt is a slur then your just looking for a reason to be offended. Redneck's is a slur and one that shouldn't be used but its mostly used as an insult to imply a person or people are stupid. The democrats are not going round trying to equate rednecks with criminal gangs, drug dealing, rape and murder.

No its not 'othering' because no one is arguing they are not really American or trying to drum up public support to deport them.

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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
22 Dec 2024, 12:04
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22 Dec 2024, 12:04#38

Not sure why you bother Stav,  Buttplug is a typical Trump-Zombie with the added dimension of being an attention seeker. He loves his soap box, like a wound up toy he'll go forever and always finishes up with having the last say. He actually believes that he has a board audience I kid you not!

Yeah I guess, but at least he's miles ahead of Mike and Beeno in that he isn't completely off the spectrum. He does seem to be a little obsessed with you though.

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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
22 Dec 2024, 12:30
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22 Dec 2024, 12:30#39

He does seem to be a little obsessed with you though.

It's called DDS(Denny Deranged Syndrome) 

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
22 Dec 2024, 13:02
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22 Dec 2024, 13:02#40

There will be no retribution at all.   Waht the emdia fear is to deal with libel claims they face and  they may ed up paying hundreds of millions in reaching settlement agrements by especially outlets that is facing libel claims.    That is not at all retribution at all.

Many Democrat and other politicians are facing criminal charge of many different  nature and that is where they fear of retribution is used to protect libel and criminal consequeces.

I would leave it to the courts to deal with issues the Democrats and media claims as retribution and Politico is in the same boat - Polifact has never done ny real factchecks and what they came up with as facts are cover ups of BS the media spouts, 

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