'Not an accident': Target of death threats points to way GOP can end Trump retribution vow

Okay, let's look at these statements:

Kung Flu
This was an attempt at humor. He also referred to it as the China virus. Whether the virus came from a lab or a bat that bit a pangolin, it came from China. Kung Fu is from China too. It's like calling the Spanish Flu the Mariachi Malady—nothing racist about it. Kung Fu is from China, and so is COVID. You’ve interpreted it as racism.

Haitians with HIV/AIDS
2% of the Haitian population is infected. He never mentioned Blacks, Indians, Asians, or Whites from Haiti. The country has a high infection rate, and he was drawing attention to the health risks posed by immigrants from there—a place, not a people. You’ve interpreted it as racism.

Nigerians back to their "huts"
The UN estimates that 80% of Nigerians live in slums, which you could call shanties or huts. In South Africa, the terms "shanty" and "hut" are used interchangeably, even by Black people themselves. Trump said that once Nigerians saw America, they would never go back to their huts. Since 80% of them live in huts, this is an accurate statement and has nothing to do with their skin color. I suppose you’ve interpreted it as racism because you’re upset that most Nigerians live in huts.

Miss Housekeeping
There is no evidence for this. And while there is no evidence, it obviously becomes a case of what you WANT to believe. Also, this is from 1996—almost 30 years ago. I’m sure you believe it more and are more offended by it than the many Hispanics who voted for Trump in this election. Another case of a liberal being ever so offended on behalf of somebody else. I could easily say that I find this to be a type of condescending racism, as if Hispanics are not smart enough to find the truth or understand how offended they should be. But I won’t go that far, because I don’t like making silly assumptions. You simply chose to believe what you wanted to.

Fine people on both sides
It’s funny that you are still holding onto this. It has been disproven and debunked. It was debunked almost immediately by Trump himself, in the very same interview, within a few sentences of each other, when he CLEARLY denounced white nationalism and neo-Nazis. So, he believes that white nationalists and racists are fine people but also denounces them?

For the last time, here are his exact words:
"You had some very bad people in that group, but you also had people that were very fine people, on both sides."
...he then elaborated...
"I'm not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists, because they should be condemned totally."

It’s hilarious to me that you chose to take the first part of what he said ever so seriously but completely discount his actual words when he denounces Nazis and white nationalists. He mentions "bad people," and he denounces racists in the very next sentence. In fact, the white nationalists and the neo-Nazis are the only ones he denounces here. You chose to believe otherwise.

Mexican Judge
Trump was making the point that the judge's heritage may mean that he would not get a fair trial. See Mexico/US "build the wall" for reference. It’s similar to how, in South Africa, Whites often don’t get fair trials from the entirely Black Human Rights Commission. This is the opposite of racism—it is, in fact, fear of discrimination. Funny how you turned that around on Trump. But when a Black or Mexican person claims they won’t get fair treatment from a White cop or judge, then it’s a valid point because we certainly don’t like discrimination. You decided to view this as Trump being racist.

Telling the Squad to go home
Trump stated that if they have such a big problem with the USA, they can leave. He said they are welcome to go back to the crime-infested places they came from. Again, this has nothing to do with race. And for context, let’s look at some of the things the Squad have said:

• Rashida Tlaib:
  "There’s kind of a calming feeling I always tell folks when I think of the Holocaust, and the tragedy of the Holocaust." (Made during an interview discussing the establishment of Israel, which sparked significant backlash in 2019.)
  Imagine if Trump said something like this.

• Ilhan Omar:
  "Some people did something." (Referring to the 9/11 attacks during a 2019 CAIR event.)

So, we are left with you, yet again, not being able to provide evidence of actual racism. Where is Trump disparaging or discriminating against someone based on their race?

Not even one instance of him calling someone a slur, or referring to someone as inferior due to their race. No attempt at dividing people based on race or evidence of him giving someone less of an opportunity because of their race.

So you assume that Trump aligns with Nazi beliefs because you assume that Trump is a racist.

Is that about right?

This has gone on for quite a while now, and all we are arriving at are your assumptions and biased interpretations. Sure, you can say that my interpretations are biased, but this is why actual evidence is required. And there doesn’t appear to be any. As I recall, that is what I asked for—evidence.

This has gone way off topic, but I’m pretty happy we went this far because, though it took time, we managed to show that the TDS is pretty deep. It’s all assumption-based, all driven by what you think is the right thing to believe. But the actual evidence, which is what we should base our views on, is non-existent.

Lets getback to the original threat.   The assassinatin attempts on Trump was followed by bomb threats b BLM on Trump nominnees,   The FBI knew who wer involved - but didnohing about it,  

Thatwas folowed by 4 DP House members from Connecticutt.     Th e FBI ad Loca authority went dead quiet on that one    I rned ou to be a nthing burgr,   

Swallwel  then came up with his own stroy - but the guy is a low level  imbecile whose main  claim to fame was he fact that he cheated on his wife by having slept with a Chinese spy by the name of Fang.  He is really supershit and a liar who is a deadly enemy of the truth.   Whether there was an acual threat nobody would evenr really know,  Nobody who knows anout him is aware he is a nincumpoop with no standig in the House and it can be expected from him to come up with the above story by an entirely untrustorthy idiot.    His chances of going to jail with Schiff is excellent,     Swallwel served a member of the House Securty Commiiee was kicked from the Committee because of huim fucking Fang which mean tha he cannot be tusted with classifid documents  .   .  

Because the wording of his original post didn't specific that he meant illegal immigrants would vote democrat only after they gained citizenship. Asides from which, if they become citizens they are no longer illegal immigrants hence implying illegal immigrants can vote is just wrong and as I said its not like assuming that was his position is a stretch considering its a position pushed heavily by major figures on the right wing.

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So those are your three defenses. Here are their flaws:

1 The fact that somebody doesn’t specify that something that is illegal isn’t what he is implying does not mean you have any right to assume he is implying that. You have never successfully rebutted that point.

2 If they become citizens they can vote.  Yes you are right and there are various ways they can do that. So what does that imply. It means the vast inflow of illegal immigrants eventually become voters. You are trapped in semantics….the real effect is that this unregulated flow of people coming into the country is beginning to affect the voting calculus.

So illegal entry is affecting the democratic process through legal voting, Plums real point.

3 Assuming he meant illegals vote is reasonable because majority figures said it. If you were talking about HasBeen maybe that’s a valid point, he is led by the nose all the time. But it’s still an assumption and in Plum's case he has his own strong views.

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I sympathize with people who are simply coming over here to work and help their families. They shouldn’t be vilified . But the system can’t be uncontrolled and the path to citizenship can’t be via illegal immigration.

 Stav

Let me give you a bit of reality of the illegal migrant voting  issue:-

*    In 2021 Biden gave an instruction  that Government officials to help foreigners to get US citizens ASAP so they can get registered as voters on the votes role.   The signed by Biden  document  was  discoverd in Alabama and taken to court aa an illeegal instructions since it did deal with the issue on  a political rather than legal based issue.    :The Court ruled that  the instuction was illegal since he issue could lead to illegal undemining of reqirement for US  Ciizenship.

*      Ae their foireigners registered as voters in the USA?    In terms of  Virgina  Election Law  foreigners are to be removed from the voters role,    When foreigners were on the Virginia   voters role in September 2024 they were removed  from the voters role.  The Fedral Justice Department took the  Virginia  removal of foreigners from the voters role to court on the basis that removal of the foreigners from the voters role so close to the November 2024 election umdermines democratic elections.     The Judge hearing the case ruled in fasvor of the appeal by the Justice Depatment.    The  Virginia State Government took the court ruling on appeal and the Federal Court ruled in fsavor of removing of the  foreigners from the vots role.   It was not the first time the relevant foreigners were remved from the voters role - thy were removr fro the role previously and smehow every time they were removed from the roe they somehow was re-registered as voters,

Both the court cases indicate that there is official present Federal Government policies to undermine the laws governing citizenship so as to get people registered as voters.   So are there other states where foreignes are registered as voters in the USA - yes there are and those registraions having the blessing of the Biden Regime.    The voters roles in the USA are in fact in a chaotic condition.   In California in a court case in 2017  it was proved that there were 5,8 million voters registered who are dead or could not be traced and has gone missing,   The Court ruled that the 5,8 million voters be removed from the voters role.    The Caifornia State Government then passed a law that voters may not be removed from the role unless the voters themselves apply to be renoved fom he role,    So have the dead applied for removal from the role and how is that prcedure to be implemented?    The answer is simple since te court ruling nobody was removed.    Since 2017 more than 1,5 million voters fled from California to other  US States and even to Mexico and their names were not removed from te voters role,   Coupled with it there were subequent  to  2017 and those are still on the voters roles.  So put the number of illegal registration of voters at 6,2 million.  

But California is not the only State where the roles  are in chaos.  In Wisconsin there are 150 000 voters registered whose date of  first registration as a votsrs are given as 1 Jnuary 1918 and they ares still on the role,    Aside from that their are 6,3 million grant recipits in the USA at the ae   112 years and older/     If they get grants from the US Government on a monthly basis they most certainly are on the voters roles as well.

 The Democratic Pary is a very polite Party -  they send letters to people after elections thanking them for supporting the DP in elections.    Thousands of cases has emerged where letters were forwarded to them in the states where they were moved to.    Such letters are regularly produced where people did not vote at all and they died years before and the children who moved to other states and the dead parents got letters as well.

The moral of  story is that the voters roles in all Sates in the USA should be audited to reduce election fraud,    Such an audit would also reveal how many foreigners are regsitered as votes in the USA as well.    It is unfortunate that all dead voters regisered religously vote for the DP - so they have a huge number of voters  in reseve who support the Party when needed.    ,   .

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Kung Flu

This was an attempt at humor. He also referred to it as the China virus. Whether the virus came from a lab or a bat that bit a pangolin, it came from China. Kung Fu is from China too. It's like calling the Spanish Flu the Mariachi Malady—nothing racist about it. Kung Fu is from China, and so is COVID. You’ve interpreted it as racism.

Yes it was an attempt at humor, racist humor. You've interpreted it as not racist.

Haitians with HIV/AIDS
2% of the Haitian population is infected. He never mentioned Blacks, Indians, Asians, or Whites from Haiti. The country has a high infection rate, and he was drawing attention to the health risks posed by immigrants from there—a place, not a people. You’ve interpreted it as racism.

I note the heading Haitians with HIV/AIDS you address this point under, a subtle change but one that skirts the issue of Trump claiming all Haitians have aids. Its irrelevant if a portion of the Haitian population is infected with HIV/Aids, Trump is casting aspirations on the entire population. If I was to say all black people where murderers and someone called me racist all I have to do is give the percentage of murders committed by black people (whatever its is) and I'm off the hook right? Also you have interpreted it as not racist.

Nigerians back to their "huts"
The UN estimates that 80% of Nigerians live in slums, which you could call shanties or huts. In South Africa, the terms "shanty" and "hut" are used interchangeably, even by Black people themselves. Trump said that once Nigerians saw America, they would never go back to their huts. Since 80% of them live in huts, this is an accurate statement and has nothing to do with their skin color. I suppose you’ve interpreted it as racism because you’re upset that most Nigerians live in huts.

See my last point. Also you have decided to interpret it as not racist.

Miss Housekeeping
There is no evidence for this. And while there is no evidence, it obviously becomes a case of what you WANT to believe. Also, this is from 1996—almost 30 years ago. I’m sure you believe it more and are more offended by it than the many Hispanics who voted for Trump in this election. Another case of a liberal being ever so offended on behalf of somebody else. I could easily say that I find this to be a type of condescending racism, as if Hispanics are not smart enough to find the truth or understand how offended they should be. But I won’t go that far, because I don’t like making silly assumptions. You simply chose to believe what you wanted to.

Fair enough we just have the word of one person, but the sheer amount of allegations against Trump about the things he has allegedly said (including non racial comments) is more than a little coincidentally. Trump's version of events is always believed by his supporters despite his insanely long and demonstrable track record of dishonesty. Am also baffled when people defend Trump by saying the alleged comments/event is old, as if that somehow invalidates the claim when it in fact make Trump look worse. Oh its old they say, look how little you have if you have to go back 30 years, to which the other sides point out, that just indicates how long Trump has said and done racist stuff. Also love the argument of Hispanics voting for Trump invalidates claims of racism, its like a variant of the classic "but I have black friends" therefore I can't be racist argument. Also you simply choose to not believe what you wanted to (see what I'm doing here)

Fine people on both sides
It’s funny that you are still holding onto this. It has been disproven and debunked. It was debunked almost immediately by Trump himself, in the very same interview, within a few sentences of each other, when he CLEARLY denounced white nationalism and neo-Nazis. So, he believes that white nationalists and racists are fine people but also denounces them?

For the last time, here are his exact words:
"You had some very bad people in that group, but you also had people that were very fine people, on both sides."
...he then elaborated...
"I'm not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists, because they should be condemned totally."

It’s hilarious to me that you chose to take the first part of what he said ever so seriously but completely discount his actual words when he denounces Nazis and white nationalists. He mentions "bad people," and he denounces racists in the very next sentence. In fact, the white nationalists and the neo-Nazis are the only ones he denounces here. You chose to believe otherwise.

Disproven, nope. What's happened is you have merely accepted the right wing narrative. And this is the real hilarious part. You accuse me of taking the first part of his comments seriously and then ignoring his comments where he denounces the Nazi's and white nationalists just a few moments later, but then you leave out what he said after he denounced the Nazi's and white nationalists when he said "but you had many other people in that group other than neo-nazi's and white nationalists, okay"

Who are these many other people? You said in that you have supported Trump's statement on this. Google search the Charlottesville protest and select images. Show me the photo's of the many people in that group that weren't neo-nazi's and white nationalists, show me those very fine people please.

Mexican Judge
Trump was making the point that the judge's heritage may mean that he would not get a fair trial. See Mexico/US "build the wall" for reference. It’s similar to how, in South Africa, Whites often don’t get fair trials from the entirely Black Human Rights Commission. This is the opposite of racism—it is, in fact, fear of discrimination. Funny how you turned that around on Trump. But when a Black or Mexican person claims they won’t get fair treatment from a White cop or judge, then it’s a valid point because we certainly don’t like discrimination. You decided to view this as Trump being racist.

I have to ask at this point, do you think racism is even a thing? Does a person have to literally goose march around the place with a Swastika armband and being holding a copy of Mein Kampf before he qualifies as racist?

Telling the Squad to go home
Trump stated that if they have such a big problem with the USA, they can leave. He said they are welcome to go back to the crime-infested places they came from. Again, this has nothing to do with race.

It had everything to do with race and you know it. He would never in a million years said it had they been white. And again with the subtle attempt at switching to imply Trump was saying they could leave America if they had a problem with it. He said it because he assumed by the color of their skin that where not originally from America or people of that descent are not really American.

• Rashida Tlaib:
  "There’s kind of a calming feeling I always tell folks when I think of the Holocaust, and the tragedy of the Holocaust." (Made during an interview discussing the establishment of Israel, which sparked significant backlash in 2019.)
  Imagine if Trump said something like this.

• Ilhan Omar:
  "Some people did something." (Referring to the 9/11 attacks during a 2019 CAIR event.)

So, we are left with you, yet again, not being able to provide evidence of actual racism. Where is Trump disparaging or discriminating against someone based on their race?

Not even one instance of him calling someone a slur, or referring to someone as inferior due to their race. No attempt at dividing people based on race or evidence of him giving someone less of an opportunity because of their race.

So you assume that Trump aligns with Nazi beliefs because you assume that Trump is a racist.

Is that about right?

What we have is you being literally able to ignore your eyes and ears. You can go back years and see and hear all of Trump's comments, the various legal cases against his organization, the people he associates with and the people and organizations that support him and yet somehow come to the conclusion that during all that time he was just joking, he was taken out of context, it was a metaphor, he didn't mean it, its coincidental, its a witch hunt. Absolutely boggles the mind.

This has gone on for quite a while now, and all we are arriving at are your assumptions and biased interpretations. Sure, you can say that my interpretations are biased, but this is why actual evidence is required. And there doesn’t appear to be any. As I recall, that is what I asked for—evidence.

You where presented with evidence. You just "interpreted" as not racist.

This has gone way off topic, but I’m pretty happy we went this far because, though it took time, we managed to show that the TDS is pretty deep. It’s all assumption-based, all driven by what you think is the right thing to believe. But the actual evidence, which is what we should base our views on, is non-existent.

I finally realized your major malfunction Anger. You have zero sense of humor. So when Trump makes one of his clumsy jokes, you get an electric shock through your woke antenna.

Pres

I don't like the repetitive BS on site involving Stav,  I am at times sorry for Stav -  he ahs been told things to believe - but that does not count for the ruling elite.   They have told him everything he thinks and he lost totally the ability to think for himself, 

But that is not the reason why I interrupted this endless and dubious discussion and ask you about the followingL-

"No. But, libel and defamation aside, the topic here is the spreading of dangerous information and the consequences thereof. Particularly in light of the evidence being circumstantial at best. The original post in this thread is directly relating to death threats that are very likely the result of dangerous lies spread en masse. 

You know what the real situation is that he paid nothing out of his own pocket for security.  What acually happen is a con by many of the ultra-racist Democrats is to defund the Police - supporting it all-out was amongst others Swallwel/   What then followed is that the DP members (inclusive of Swallwel) apply for reimbursement of the cost they incurred in having used  private security agencies to guard their homes,   So Swallwel was lying about that part - but that is not all -  when a sound comes out of the mouth of that idiot - would be a lie,

Another bit of info -Swallwel's actually salary is  $172 000 a year. o if he claieed he paid for it out-of-his own pocket - where did the money he supposedly paid - whee did the money cme from?  Maybe from China after he fucked one of their spies and want to protect their agent .

It’s ’au contraire’….now that really made me laugh. Well done Anger, hold on, isn’t that what you just said about Trump.

Swat and Swat!

Waaaaaaaaaaahahaha!

I found  out  from the aboive that both Stav and BB are in fact COMMUNISTS  that fight agaibnt Trump because he opposed their Commnism dictatroships that they support all out;   Very clear that  they are indeed fighting for a Communist dictatorship in the USA and is against any  opposition to their Communist dictatorship support is being threatened by  Trump and  they use the classical story that anybody against them are called Facsist so they are covinced in their own minds that Trump is a Fascist,

Really funny how they twisted eveything  around and when caught out they continue with their farcical arguments.   LMA O .

What’s sad is a narrow minded bigot, who has to paint a human totally black, instead of seeing any nuances. Who pretends to be this rational intellectual….but makes mistakes and then refuses to enjoy the chuckle.

My advice to you ….if you don’t speak the language, take the time to look up what you are quoting. Or better yet, don’t use it at all.

No Moz, only the right has bigots...the lefties are exempt from being called bigots for their bigotry...it's perfectly OK to call half of America stupid Nazzi redneck racists all the time...ant Trumpanzees...but it's fine...sticks 'n stones...

What’s sad is a narrow minded bigot, who has to paint a human totally black, instead of seeing any nuances.

Yes because that's totally what I've done right. How many times did I say on this very thread that Trump isn't a 100% clone of Hitler/Nazi/Fascism and doesn't necessarily share every single view they had and that I don't believe he's going trying to organize a holocaust against migrants.

Who pretends to be this rational intellectual….but makes mistakes and then refuses to enjoy the chuckle.

Another similarity you have with Trump, not only are your jokes not funny, you try to be funny in the most obnoxious way possible. People do laugh, just at you, not with you.

My advice to you ….if you don’t speak the language, take the time to look up what you are quoting. Or better yet, don't use it at all"

Swat and Swat!

Waaaaaaaaaaahahaha!

The problem is that the most incredible sories on site comerom the eople that knows only what the brainwashed handlers tell them only they know what is going on and anybody opposing their BS are alays wrong.

The prblem is yers of brainwashing has resulte in them being unable to think for themselves and obey's everything they are told.   The perpetual lie is the world hey live in.   Goebbels would have been proud of his successors bwing so successful in spreading lies,   The norm is if the lie is spead ften enough idiots believe it is true,   

So it is no use to paste reports on site and statements under oath of decisions where the court threw out cases because they lied,  All that means nothing to them because it does not tie in with what they were told to believe.    The bigger the lie - the more they believe it.

So lets keep the biggering down a bit - talking to idiots would not help - they will remain idiots.           

Rich coming from a fool who couldn’t get the play on words with the Libbok ‘ex’ factor.  What a silly fool you are and what a boring, humorless old toad Anger is.

You boys should get on like a house on fire.

Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahaha!!!

The ex-factor!

It's very late in the y ear but a candidate for funniest blunder of the year!

A "play on words"!

Aaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahahahaha!

Too funny! My sides are splitting!

Oh dear…now we are adding dishonesty to stupidity. 

You sides are splitting because your a fat, greasy toad.

What about "you sides are splitting", stupidissimo. Did you miss that one even after I pointed it out to you?

LMAO!

You keep correcting everyone else you semi-literate old fool!

boring, humorless old toad Anger is.

I'm the boring one says the Grammar Nazi. 

The irony probably flies high over Moffie's flat, sloping forehead.

Who knew we'd wait until the last day of the year to have the funniest and most embarrassing blunders of the year from the most self-important but hypocritical old clown?

"You sides are splitting because your a fat, greasy toad."

LMAO!

When people dfoffer from the brainwashed idiotic site liars - the pesona attacks start and shit like Rooinek pollute the board.    

Stav,

People are locked up in South Africa for being provably racist. Actually locked up. 

Now, it is my view that calls to incitement singing "Kill the boer! Kill the farmer!" are given far too much "traditional" privilege, but there are nevertheless laws against such things. From incitement to using slurs and even racial laws in business, and they carry real legal liabilities.

What you provided does not meet any of the standards for prosecution in a hyper race focused country like South Africa. I'd challenge you to make an actual case for any of those.

So, I'll ask again. Do you have any actual evidence that would hold up and meet any legal standard for litigation?

Because if you don't, then you're challenging the prescribed requirements for racially based convictions, and we are talking about your feelings.

TLDR: Trumps give you racist "feels" but you got no receipts.

Your moving the goal posts. A person can't be racist unless they have a conviction for it or a jail sentence?

Different countries have different laws. I have no idea why the US lets groups march down the street with Swastika's, doing Hitler salutes and shouting the Jews will not replace us, like what occurred at the unite the right rally. But according to US law they were not doing anything illegal (until violence broke out). Are you going tell me there was no racists in that group?

There's also a difference between the average person and Donald Trump. Trump being mega rich and being a major political figure make it hard er for any criminal charges to stick to him.

When did that Swastika thing happened?     There was  nothing like that for 85 years/   What there was were US Flag burning  and people shouting  "Death to Israel" and "Death to America" at the recent Hamas Riots organized by the terroist subsidiaries of the Democrats -  BLM and Antifa",   Where did you get the above shit from anyway?   

What criminal charges that had any subnstance was laid against him and what laws did he break?  You were at a scream level when it was pointed out that the so-called charges laid was an election strategy based on the Hitler principles by Biden and his fellow Communist clique.

You were told 50 times that the FBI acted like the Gestapo and the KGB to try and undermine oppositin to the Biden Regime and protect people who looted money from the US Government and the taxpayers of the USA,    The most corrupt Government in the history of the USA,

There will be no retribution by Trump despite yeasrs of libelous comments.    The thieves who stole money and used bribery and corruption will go to jail.    The two people who tried to Assassinate Trump  both worked for a subsidiary of Black Rock with ties to the CIA,   Both were used by the mongrels to kill Trump.   The one is now held in prison by the Florida Police nd they would not allow the FBI nd CIA to get near him - because he would be murdered if their agents can get to him. 

So the ncxt attempt will be before or on 20 January 2025 when Trump is sworne in as President/   The reason is that the US Federal Government are infested by criminals stealing billions from the State and these people are going to end up in jail.   The Reginme - much admired by you - is the most corrupt and incompetent regime ever in the history of the USA.   So when they start court cases against the crooks - you will claim it is reributionn.   

The Chinese have a curse - "May you live in interesting times" -  so you will shout retribution when crooks are being sentenced, mant, many times,                              

"Different countries have different laws. I have no idea why the US lets groups march down the street with Swastika's, doing Hitler salutes and shouting the Jews will not replace us, like what occurred at the unite the right rally. But according to US law they were not doing anything illegal (until violence broke out). Are you going tell me there was no racists in that group?"

Which is why I raised South African law. Here, you would get locked up for that...quickly. 

Let's stick to Trump shall we.

Unless you want me to bring out the strawman that you love so much.

...and the fact that Trump has not met the requirements for any sort of reasonable litigation against him even under the strict racial defamation laws in South Africa. 

You've deduced racism without being able to provide evidence for such. And you've used that to support claims of fascism.

If he says Latvia is full of run-down ghettos it's bad taste, but as soon as they are a different race then its automatically racism. Where he to disparage Russia then nobody would care, but when its Nigeria, is auto-racist. 

Where is any racism that meets any standard, anywhere in the world, for a racial crime, including crimen injuria...anything.

I' ve gotten nothing from you other than how you feel. Can we deal in fact?

Where is any racism that meets any standard, anywhere in the world, for a racial crime, including crimen injuria...anything.

I've gotten nothing from you other than how you feel. Can we deal in fact?

So the people holding up Swastika's at the unite the rally where not racist as they didn't face criminal charges for doing so. Because that's the logic you're using here.

"Your moving the goal posts. A person can't be racist unless they have a conviction for it or a jail sentence?"

Of coarse you can and of course you can claim someone is racist all you like, but the proof you put up for Trump being racist won't hold up in any court...illegal in the US or not...it's simple, what you perceive as racism simply isn't...being rude and being racist are not the same things...and Trump's motivation and reasoning for some things he says is not necessarily what you make them out to be...sometimes it's a good thing stepping on a few toes...

Draad

Trump has been involved in many projects in t he USA using people of all races and he was never one accused by either the Unions or any of the workers of being a racist.   Huge numbers of Hispanics, Asians and Blacks have voted for Trump this electin because they were in the past conned by the Democrats and again amogst them were different races as well.    So when Trump is  opposing the open border policy of Biden it had a bearing on all illegal migrants and not only iro Blacks,   

Stav has a mania against any people who do not agree with his assumptions - he never came up with what he believes Trump means when he talks about issues,   So he has a problem with Trump and not with the other countries like Germany who clearly stated no moe illegal migrants in the country - but of course he things that any Conservtive people are racist and hate-filled people.   In other words he believe 100% the shit spread by papers like The Guardian - that distort news to the extent that they only spread lies and has been doing this for decades,    

Example - The Guardian was the main propaganda paper when the Communists ruled in Rssia and the praised them consistently and attack the hated west.   A fter the Communist Regime collapsed,  the new Government in Russia became the hate target of  The Guardian and you would never find of criticism of Communist Regimes throughout the world.   They believe in extreme Socialism and anybody differ n from them they call Fascist and nothing will chnage that, 

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Okay so even after your nervous breakdown about me using your rather than you’re …..Anger, posts this not even a day later. Show you have some sense of fair play and call him a slope headed, uneducated buffoon:

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Your moving the goal posts. A person can't be racist unless they have a conviction for it or a jail sentence

Stav

Every last person at a Trump rally could be racist, it doesn't make Trump racist. Obviously, if you are cruising around with a swastika anywhere on your person then you're likely a racist.

But you seem to be somehow trying make that mean that Trump is a racist. 

Perhaps you could go that far if this happened at 5% of Trump's rallies...but FFS, this was a group of people, in a heated time, looking for their 5 minutes of fame. That's what most of these stupid protests since the BLM Covid riots were about. And it was a complete outlier in terms of what his rallies normally are.

You are playing guilt by association, with very low numbers. The vast majority of Trump voters are ordinary people...and now the younger generation because they're tired of being told to feel like shit all the time. 

Okay, was that enough of a deviation for you?

You really are proving exactly why a legal standard must exist for being accused of racism. And it actually raises an interesting legal question. That being, what liability should arise from unproven claims of racism? In the US that's probably not such a big deal, but in South Africa it is. As  I mentioned, you'll be locked up quick-sticks here.

For me, if you're gonna be fine with accusing someone of reviving Hitler, then you simply must at least have an adequate legal argument for racism.

You even go as far as to say that "Words matter." By this standard, a bad speaker can be accused of racism. It's absolutely nonsensical. Of course, words matter within diplomacy, but at the same time, one can be brash without being a racist. Trump has never been accused of eloquence.

It's strange to me that you seem almost allergic to an actual legal test for racism. 

From my position, it looks like you wish to, with no evidence, be able to make a defamatory claim, and then use that claim to propose something far more defamatory, and you don't expect that there should be any repercussions.

The reason I'm not gonna buy your method for arriving at racism is because it is entirely open-ended. There is no standard. It's simply feels, and anybody can "feels" anything.

One would think that in a place like the US, where race laws are less strict, a racist would be comfortable enough to say and do things that would at least meet, or approach, the legal standard here in race-obsessed South Africa. But it really doesn't. Perhaps there's a ChatGPT adventure in there for you...hint hint.

Each one of the examples you provided is a logical fallacy, and then you seem almost surprised that your sniff test isn't taken as gospel.

Nice white privilege, bro 

Moffie, you just don't get it. Why would I pick on Stav for spelling errors? Does he run around the board like you do squealing about punctuation errors, spelling errors and incorrect grammar?

No? Well have a little think about that.

Not that you are remotely qualified to comment on anyone else's grammar or spelling . . . but you do it anyway. I'll pick out your poor language just to expose your ignorance, your hypocrisy and the double standards that you apply.

Spelling and/or typing shouldn't be a big deal on a rugby message board - you seem to be the only one who is so anal about it - but when I see a pompous and conceited old toad who has such laughably poor language skills of his own gloating and sniggering like a 5 year old child over anyone else's mistakes . . . well . . . then I'm "from" (sic) the manor born!

LMAO!