Obama's curious Relationship with Soros

Dershowitz claimed that he has written proof that Obama  on the request of Soros gave in writing an instruction to the FBI to investigate a person causing problems for Soros - but Dershowitz did not provide the name of the target to be investigated,   He indicated there might be a court case coming up on the issue. 

There are also allegations made that the them Ambassador  of the USA  funded from USA Aid money to a Soros organization in Ukraine.   That would represent laundering of money since money intended for Ukraine could be laundered back to he USA by Soros.  

Soros has a dirty record -

*  for collaboration with the Nazi's in identifying Jews in Hungary -  his father was the one who stole Jewish properties and assets one they were shipped off to German prison camps like Auschwitz, but Soros is still on the list of Israel wanted for crimes against humanity; and

*  he operated as a Communist under the MGB under the leadership of Beria.

Soros is also regarded as turning against Russia after the fall of Communism and involved closely in the Russian Hoax narrative against Trump,  He is closely aligned to the more leftist elements in the DP  such as Adam Schiff and Sanders, as well as AOC and his latest efforts entails the funding of  election campaigns of State Prosecutor Candidates that would undermine law enforcement in the USA,  At best a very dangerous man who hated the USA,                         

His meddling is considered " a clear and present danger" to the USA by some pundits. Watch this space....

Open borders Soros is a mortal danger to the American people. This guy must HANG. 

There are going to many revelations between now and the election. 

Watch Tucker Carlson, Lou Dobbs, Hannity and Laura Ingraham. 

The demonrats and Deep State are in huge trouble. 

Stav

There is plenty proof that his father changed his surname from Schwartz to Soros in 1936 after his return from Russia where he was a Communist informer,   He did it to hide his Jewish descend and then betrayed Jews to the Nazi's using George as the delivery boy who delivered letters to the  Jewish residents.

Once they were carted off to the concentration camps he stole their assets and enrich himself that way,   George was 14 years old at the time and was working with his father in the scheme.  

When the Russians occupied Budapest he did the same dirty on Hungarians and thousands of people were killed off when he informed the MVD on them and did a repeat on Hungarians stealing their assets as well.

George went to study in London in 1947,   How did he manage that?   All countries around Hungary was occupied by Russian troops or under Communist control.   They would not allow ordinary people to leave and to go to study the way Soros did permission  would only be granted if he was a collaborator of the Russian Secret Service - his father was one and there can be no doubt that he was one as well.   

The real situation is that Soros was working for the MWD and probably funded by them as well.   He became  extremely wealthy and the question remains how did he got  that wealthy so quickly,   He was a conduit for MVD funds and that got him his start in life. 

So what has Soros being up to for his whole  life?   He support extreme socialism - a tenet of Marxism from the word go.  He  was always  canvassing the Communist ideal of a World Government without Nation States,   He is at present  funding efforts to undermine the functioning of the Judicial system in the USA and in countries all over the world.   

He is not a person to be trusted at all - once a Communist always a Communist/   A lot of reason to distrust him.                                           

The money behind Soros can practically erase from existence anything he wishes to be expunged.

Sorry I can’t buy this Soros conspiracy stuff. There is no more relentless a group than the Israelis in pursuing ex Nazi collaborators and they have made no moves. Soros was a kid during the war. 

Obviously the whole experience left him with some unusual views and he is politically dangerous. His funding of some unsavory groups underlines this. But that doesn’t mean he will be in legal jeopardy. 

As for how he became wealthy....he was the top currency trader in the world for many years. He made epic and prescient calls on the direction of currencies, Sterling in particular. He made his own money.  

Nope Stav, but if you are promoting a Socialist agenda across the globe, you are a Socialist agent...and champagne socialism is the worst kind. This isn't about helping the downtrodden, it's about control...

Soros is the scum of the earth. 

His Open Society pushes open borders. His desire is to destroy the United States and the European nation states. Hang the bastard!

There are now I think it was 6 countries that have banned the evil monster. 

Stav is an anti Irish nutjob hoping his country will have open borders and be ruled from Brussels. The thought of Ireland being over run by migrants causes him much glee. Stav is a traitor. 

Stav, please note that you're dealing with a bunch of right-wing nationalist supremacists who read Baboon-ou's loony right drivel on a daily basis and consequently consider themselves to be moderates.

@Beeno1

Ireland had a general election last Saturday week. The Irish Freedom party a so called "Irexit Party" that advocates Ireland leaving the EU ran 11 candidates, none of whom where elected. Its total vote share was 0.3%. One of its candidates even lost to spoiled votes.

Surveys conducted after the election asked what the major issues voters where concerned with when choosing which party to vote for. Just 1% cited immigration as a concern.

I guess 99% of the electorate here are nutjobs and traitors huh?

I finding it very heartening to see the Irish by and large reject the idea the immigration is responsible for a countries problems unlike the USA and UK. I hope your far right indoctrination never gains a foothold here.

@rooinek

I figure I'm largely wasting my time on some people here but hey it can be fun to debate right?

"Irish by and large reject the idea the immigration is responsible for a countries problems unlike the USA and UK. I hope your far right indoctrination never gains a foothold here.

I know it's not what you said, but just to clarify, do you consider opposition to unchecked immigration as a far right doctrine?

I finding it very heartening to see the Irish by and large reject the idea the imm igration is responsible for a countries problems unlike the USA and UK. I hope your far right indoctrination never gains a foothold here.

It seems like "law and order" has become a "far right concept" that should be abolished...the world went to shit 30 years ago and no one noticed!

 Soros in Turkey Conspiracy...more smoke?

@DbDraad

Not necessarily but opposition to it very often stems from the far right .

@Mozart

Weak troll attempt. 

@Ceradyne

Clicked on that video, two seconds up pops the logo Liberal Lunatics. Gee wize, I'm sure this is going be balanced, I'm not wasting my time with that. 

"@DbDraad

Not necessarily but opposition to it very often stems from the far right."

Agreed, but there are fearmongering on both sides...and you seem very comfortable to label everyone opposed to it as "far right".

I suppose just everyday Christianity is "far right" too?....and opposition to 3rd trimester abbortion?

I'm needling a bit here, but that goes with the agenda of "The Left" of late....the floor is yours. 

PS, there are some absurd idiocies on both sides of the argument, so I'm not trying to put you into a box, just trying to establish the borders...makes sense?

Hahahahahahahah Stav is very obviously a brain washed loon. He probably has no idea what previous demonrats pretended they wanted regarding border security. He only knows what he is told to know. No an ounce of independent thinking. So much like the frot rooibozo.

Windpomp great schooling of the stav loon! Hahahahahhahahahaha

He also has no idea of the troubles the invasion of Europe and the Uk have caused. Knows nothing about Sweden etc.The oak is an ignorant twit with dangerous far left globalist aligned views.

The grooming gangs are for him a great example of what can be achieved by open borders. To really get the party going how about a lot more jihadist in ireland says ou stav the mental case. To hell with irish culture lets hand over the country to the third world and islam. A change is as good asa holiday thinks ou stav. Women in the hijab look cute and women should know their place.

Stav disgusts me. God help ireland if hvs views prevail.

Have you heard what these globalist scumbags chant vn America. No borders, no wall no USA at all. That's the polan too for ireland. But the potato munchers are having a problem seeing as they suck on the teat of globalist propaganda.

Thankfully though the world is waking up rapidly now. The failing Globalist ruled EU is going down the toilet.

Stav

There  was an SA chap from Indian origin who went to Ireland to study in the 1970's.  While there he married an Irish lady and murdered her.  He was for some reason or another mot convicted of murder because he was an oppressed person with an unstable family background.  Absolute tripe fed to the Irish court  - his family was very wealthy and  lived very well.   They even were able to send him to Ireland to study there.

After serving a 2 year sentence he returned to  SA - changed his name and in 1981 ecame  a member of Parliament -  but remained crooked for his whole life.  

The Irish seems to think that if a person clai ms "oppression" the vilest murder attack can be excused.   The situation is that  the bastard dismembered the body of his wife totally and tried to cook her - yet  he did it because  he was oppressed - how gullible are the Irish? ,                

Slav

Sorry to say it - but if you believe what Soros said  you will also believe the story of the Indian chap I referred to and that the moon is made of green cheese..     That two day story is total BS - the Gestapo was brutal and would not let a servant like Soros's  father get away with anything,   Once used - he remained used and so did the son. 

Now let me explain something to you as to your following comment:-

"The reason they left Hungary in 1947 was to escape the communists. Are you saying ever single person who left communist controls in the years after WW2 was a communist agent?"

*   As far as I could establish the facts are  that the royal we referred to by Soros referred to him and his brother - not his father or mother,  George Soros went the London University to study in 1947,  His brother was in a Hungarian Ski-ing team that went to compete in a competition in I believe Switzerland and  never returned to Hungary,   When that happened in Communist countries the routine process was to punish the escapee's  family - nothing happened to them in this case. 

*   I am not saying that everyone who left communist controls was a communist agent - there were people who managed to escape and was not shot in the process

*    Maybe an explanation would help.   In 1973 I went to Europe  on a 6 month holiday.  I had a slight problem  with my SA pass port - those days SA citizens  would not be allowed to go to Communist countries and I wanted to go to a few,  I ultimately within 14 days got my passport with a proviso  that the SA Government would not take any action if something happened to me when in a Communist Country,   So off I went to Europe and then one day went on a guided tour to San Souc ci in Brandenburg in East Germany,

The tour guide was a nice East German obviously to an extent trusted by the Communist Regime.   During the visit I mentioned  to the guide that I was for three weeks in Greece and two weeks in Turkey before going to Germany  and finding out that I am from SA he asked me how I managed to get a pass port.  

 It turned out that the man was an archaeologist whose main dream was to go to Greece to see and study the ancient Greek art and buildings.  He applied for ten years for a pass port and  never got one.  Trusted enough to be a tour guide inside East Germany but not to go to non-communist countries to study anything;   Only with a government assignment you could get one.  Get the message?????          .       ,          .                  

Thanks for clarifying Stav...and for what it's worth, your reply is sensible enough for me.

Stav

"Lying about the amount of crime they commit."

Anything you say about Sweden, immigrants and the disparity in crime numbers pre and post the immigration push, must surely appear to be a lie.

As someone who lived in Scandanavia, I can attest to the problems muslimS caused there. 

Here's just one personal example. 

Storm festival is a huge music festival that takes over Cobenhaven for a full week. Every day a different part of the city has it's turn and people gather there to get drunk, smoke pot and dance until the early hours. One evening we were amidst the crowd when suddenly my girlfriend bent over to pick something up from the ground. It was a wallet and it looked exactly like mine. I thought I'd dropped it. Checked my pocket and realised mine was still there. I told her we should give it to a cop.

As this was happening suddenly a 50 something musliM appeared, he must have been the only one there as it was quite rare to see a musliM in Denamrk in those days, never mind at a music festival. Without saying anything except, "Its mine. It's mine," he tried to grab the wallet out of her hand. She took a step back and said, let's look inside to see who it belongs to. As she said that the guy grabbed the front of her shirt and raised his hand.

I got between them and told him to back off. He wasn't phased. Kept his eyes in her and motioned to strike. I laid the cunt out immediately. Some people in our group actually tended to him after came to his senses. Note, we never group bashed him, didn't drag him through the streets or take any more action than was needed to neutralise him. Would I have had the same consideration if I was bold/stupid/arrogant enough to act like this in ANY musliM country. You already know the answer.

Yes, it's anecdotal. But he was literally the only musliM there, and yet this was the situation he caused.

The wallet belonged to a white Brit lad that actually called us to say thanks after the cops gave him it back.

I've had many similar experiences in the UK, Belgium, Denmark and even fucking Sardinia and South Africa with muslimS.

If you were lying as best you could, you still would not be able to make what has occurred in Sweden and other EU nations, seem plausible.

Muslim replacement theory is a myth? I guess it depends on which part of the theory you look at. 

Do Muslims want to replace their hosts? Their doctrine says that this is exactly what they have duty to do. 

Are we to assume that while they'll kill you for insulting their book or even drawing their propheT, they don't take the part about treatment of infidels seriously? Give me a fucking break. It's their favorite part because it allows them to act out their hate for everything outside of Islam, with impunity.

Marrying only within your own faith, have the highest birthrate of all religions in the west and always choosing Western countries over Muslim ones as a destination for settlement...tends to lean towards Muslim replacement.

Do Muslims believe in equality? No. They have a license from their God to treat non-believers and those of others faiths with utter disdain. It's spiritually sanctioned discrimination on all social levels and in all situations.

In my business and social dealings with Muslims, while anecdotal, I can attest to the fact they they follow their faith when it comes to how to to treat infidel. 

For me to believe otherwise I have to ignore my personal experience as well as what I see in the media and read about in books and articles...One of those books being the one they live for and will kill you if you insult.

Remember The Satanic Verses and how long that chap had to be in hiding for? When last did a Christian detractor have to go into hiding?

Asking me, or anyone else to ignore all of this is, by all accounts, an unreasonable proposition. 

Stop apologising to these dogs. Stop thinking they'll take inspiration from your good will. Stop ignoring their total intolerance and start standing up for your own.

Just on that note. South Africa and it's history offers a nice chunk of data to the argument.

Most indians in SA are hindu. Many of them have been here just as long as white settlers.

Notice how there is a unique cohesion in how Indians of Hindu faith have contributed to SA.  They collaborated their new countrymen, ultimately helping form part of South African history without attempting to subvert it and carved out their own peaceful society within it. All the while maintaing the progression of their own beliefs.

The same holds true for the British-Indian connection too. There are many Hindus in the UK and they are the same colour as muslimS, yet by comparrison, you hardly hear people complaining about Indians. Been a while since i heard of a Hindu or Sikhs rape gang.

As you look around, like to the Caribean, Australia, the USA...you realise that Indians are in all those places. Their numbers vary in different places and thus so does their influence but ultimately they adapt and add to society.

Now pick any country that has had a lerge influx of Islamists.

Both groups with identical genes and from the same part of thr world. Hell, they were one country before. Yet by comparison to each other, one people is overtly parasitic and subversive while the other is demonstrably the opposite.

Harsh? Ok, go read anything anywhere on the internet about North Africa and Asia as regards Islam.

It's not about race. It's about a evil pattern of thought or collection of ideas that caught on and evolved.

Arguing against an idea is NOT arguing against a race.

It is not right wing either.

How right wing is arguing against oppresion?

Probably about as right wing as arguing against the catholic molestation of kids.

Whether people like it or not, there is a social contract and some don't sign it in good faith.

@clevermike

Can you link me to the story on Indian immigrant please.

Even if its true, whats your point?. That an immigrant committed a murder and therefore immigration should be stopped of severely restricted. What about the 100,000 of thousands of immigrants that have come here and the overwhelming majority have had no run ins with the law?

I can link you to the very recent killing of a teenager here in Ireland who was dismembered. He was murdered by an Irish person, was drugs/gangland relatred. Does that prove all Irish are savage murderers. I can link to where Irish immigrants where both the cause and victims of serious crime. I can also link to murders committed by the natives in virtually every country in the world. All that proves is that anyone regardless of ones political orientation, nationality, gender and religious background is capable of committing violent crimes. 

Of course immigrants will commit crimes, the question should be is the rate that they commit crimes significantly higher than the local population. If you actually look at the numbers, immigrant crime rates are pretty much the same as the local population, sometimes slightly lower or slightly higher.

A thing to note about the Irish is that the Irish have a huge history of emigration over 100's of years. Millions left in the pursuit of a better life. Many countries like say the US have a significant population who claim Irish decent. It would be extremely hypocritical of the Irish to tell people from other countries we don't want you coming here. We can also recount the stories of signs up in shop windows in London saying "No Dogs, No Irish" 

@Plum

Ah yes Sweden, according to the far right, its overwhelmed with Muslim refugees and now the so called rape capital of Europe.

All this crap started off when one day Donald Trump posted that tweet on keeping America safe from immigrants and saying "look what's happening in Sweden last night".

This lead the Swedish media and politicians to investigate the events of the day before, because none of them had a f**king clue what he was talking about. Turns out nothing of note happened and he was actually referring to a Fox News segment where Tucker Carlson interviewed film maker Ami Horowitz. Horowitz had made a film which claimed "an absolute surge in both gun violence and rape in Sweden once they began this open door policy." and the Swedish government "has gone out of its way to try to cover up some of these problems” and that the country now has “no-go zones" The film reportedly had clips of two Swedish police officers backing up these claims.

The two police officers where interview by Swedish papers and basically refuted Horowitz claim calling him a "madman" who took their quotes out of context and that they where talking about crime in high risk area's and not about immigration.

Experts on crime on Sweden have categorically denied there being "no go area's".

They say for years, serious crime has been on a gradually decline but in the last year (referring to 2016-2017) there was a small uptick in serious crime. They did not attribute this overall uptick to immigrates though. They also noted that these slightly higher crime rates also have matched previous historical records from the mid 2000's long before the recent influx of immigrants.

As for the rape claim. Sweden recently broadened the definition of what constitutes rape and how its reported. This resulted in increase in reported rapes in Sweden. For example if a man rapes his wife multiple times on one occasion, its now reported as multi cases of rape instead of just one. Sweden also for years has a general policy of encouraging women to report cases more than other European countries. That's why Sweden has a higher reported case of rapes than Europe on average and has done for years even though the actual number of rapes is around the same level. Its got nothing to do with immigrants.

I don't doubt your personal story Plum. But as you said its anecdotal.

@ Plum

Not an exact science but Pew Research Center conducted research in 2017 into the projected growth rate for the muslim population the EU 28, Switzerland and Norway by 2050, under 3 scenario's of no, medium and high immigration rates.

https://www.pewforum.org/2017/11/29/europes-growing-muslim-population/

Its an interesting read.

Stav, do you know any Swedes? 

I do. In fact, a friend of mine immigrated there a few years back. 

People know what is causing the problem and its not immigrants.

I have a good few clan(online gaming community) members that I communicate with almost daily and these guys and girls are not in the slightest racist. They do however recognise that muslimS are taking Swedish goodwill for granted and are behind much of the spikes in crime.

Again, it's not foreigners but rather muslimS, that are responsible.

Anyway, here...

https://www.thenewamerican.com/world-news/europe/item/33845-bombings-in-sweden-now-routine-muslim-gangs-responsible

"They must renounce Islam and embrace Christ if they want to start new lives in new countries"

So, renouncing all Islamic faith and moving everyone over to Christianity in new countries would solve all of this?

Nah, I don't believe it for a second

I am not a fan of Islam, and I have mentioned many times on this forum already about how I detest how the world's most senior members of the Islamic faith seldom speak out publicly against Islamic extremists...… they mostly say nothing at all...….or how these Muslim people have been given a new life in the UK, with free housing and monthly subsidised income, only to preach hate speech against that very same country, on the sidewalks of that same country..... and the British government says that it is against their human or personal rights to stop them from doing it..... fuck that..... deport the fucker immediately, and revoke any citizenship indefinitely.

How about how they have taken over certain towns in the UK, and they have implemented their sharia law there..... targeting all European people in those towns, especially verbally abusing and attacking  UK women.

Luton in the UK in particular is horrendous..... and the Muslims there were making fun of British soldiers returning back from Iraq a while ago..... it makes me sick that these people have been given a new life..... a new safe haven for their entire families, away from their very own Islamic countries...…. and they appreciate nothing..... not even a little bit....

Look at the gangs that are targeting all these young girls in the UK, and grooming them to become sex slaves by getting them hooked on alcohol and drugs........... it is mainly Muslim men involved in this...…. because they all have a very sick and perverted belief that women are there to serve them and do absolutely anything that they demand them to do.... it is "in the Koran"

The UK government need to get some brass balls and start treating this as a national crisis, because they are literally getting away with murder every day.... and it will only get worse as time goes by

Slav

So how would researchers find any info on that issue if it is not listed according to the law,   Reporters who mention specific cases  area arrested and tried for revealing the situation as to the race and religion of the offenders,

The real reaction in Sweden was to advise women and girls not to wear any clothing that provoke men into attacking them - the same was done in Germany,   Even when giving that advice no mention was made of Muslim men.  

Why was it not necessary to give that kind advice before the major influx of Muslims occur and suddenly became necessary now?      

Plum

Most of the arrested or killed Jihadists from Molenbeek had criminal records before the terrorist activities took place - those include robbery and theft - bit in most cases there were no trials,   Witnesses were intimidated and would not give evidence,  

The jihadists are basically operating as a mafia organization with the Police and Judiciary finding it extremely hard to act against them,   Hundreds of Muslims who fought for ISIS have returned to Brussels, but no action was taken against them.  

So most are free and that is dangerous - there criminal and terrorism activities are thus allowed to continue unchecked,          

The name of he murderer used in Ireland was Sh an Mohangi and you can get further info on this one from the following newspaper article:-

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/mother-who-forgave-shan-mohangi-dies-in-dublin-1.52348