Yes, it will be temporary. It's the Middle East. Nor does it erase the enormous tragedy. But at least some families were reunited, maybe someone will sleep peacefully tonight and wake to see the day who would not otherwise have done so, aid and food provision will be escalated. Maybe there's even some positive change that will sneak in and take hold somewhere. One can but hope, for everyone's sake in that region.
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You must realize that Trump - and if his successors all have to bear in mind that ou are wrong. Trump did not mention the Pelastine issue - because he realizes that Netanhaju is a sumblin g bloc in line and not cause shit before it would be in a sitution where a 2-state solution would be on the cards,
Tradhole defending baby killers...tells you all you need to know.
There was no defence of this, the urge to deflect leads liberals to speak without consequences.
If baby killers meant the alleged actions by Hamas, which is uncertain, but it will be treated as if the baby killers remark was aimed at Hamas.
The deal offers amnesty to Hamas, to the baby killers. Hamas did not request amnesty. Liberals offered it to them. It came from liberals.
One possibility is that liberals plan to establish a mock symmetry between atrocities committed by Hamas and atrocities committed by liberal Israelis, which are much more. It means that since Hamas are not court judged, liberal Israelis should not be. It must be recalled that liberal Israelis are acknowledged children killers. It is not allegations in their case, the elements are strong and accepted by the Israeli government.
Eventually, alleged baby killers and acknowledged children killers may be given a free pass. Time will tell.
Liberals do as they are.
Yes, it will be temporary. It's the Middle East. Nor does it erase the enormous tragedy.
It means nothing. The war effort was suspended because it could no longer be sustained.
Liberals speak without fathoming the consequences.
Criminals are human beings. Through the natural rights theory, they now demand to be allowed to do what liberal Israelis have done. If human beings can do something, another human being should be given the same right.
Liberals promote criminality. Liberals can not explain why other people could not behave as liberal Israelis have done.
Well Trad, I asked ChatGPT to read your stuff and give an opinion. Here's the summary:
Made me laugh. Won't spend much time on recalling that AIs are generative. They generate answers. So they take from existent background to produce their answers.
It is very funny because it shows that AIs are deeply tools for liberal propaganda.
The AI is deep in thinking that liberals are different from they are. For example, pointing out that liberals re introduced slavery in Europe and fought to expand is something that gets very hard on an AI. Of course, AIs are based on logics so they can not spin as liberals can do. It is something funny to try. Because AIs, when faced with a point of view that is taboo in liberal societies, glitch and they glitch a lot. An AI apologised for example.
Very strong faith in liberals. Stated many times, liberals are set themselves on the path of having to eliminate hundreds of millions people. Very strong faith. So the claim that faith is lost could not be more incorrect. Of course, it is not a point of view an AI is able to produce by itself, it will keep generating answers that deny the possibility of it.
AIs' answers should be challenged. It is very funny.
And of course, there is moral assessment because the thread has already sunk in moral assessment. Baby killers, atrocities have to stop, families reunited etc...
Liberals can not accept when people behave as they do.
Trad, you sound like a experimental algorithm bot...with a commie coder.
Thanks for the compliment... Dehumanisation only works that long. Fact is that AIs make more sense than liberals.
It is very funny because this thread is another magnificent example of liberals abhorring people acting in a liberal way. Liberals think that liberalism should be exclusive to themselves and no one else, which is very funny as they claim liberalism is universal to human beings.
One comment reported that liberal lefts did not praise Trump for his mock plan about Gazza (but left people did not destroy Trump's plan, which tells a lot)
Liberals do rely on scoring points. They live by it. They do not discuss, they dispute, they quarrel.
When this was pointed out, an AI was used to generate an answer. Liberals enjoy AI as it is a very convenient means to generate long walls of text and score points.
The AI's answer is terrible. It starts with an assessment of the mood 'The writer sounds angry' which could not be more incorrect. Simple-minded people would have immediately challenged the quality of the answer. Liberals thrive in contradictions they no longer perceive them.
Liberals do as they are and thinking that liberals acting as they are told they are going to act is stirring anger.
The mood is certainly not anger. Current times are very fun as liberals get more and more exposed. Instead of questioning the quality of the AI generated answer, it was dropped in here in order to score points.
And it is another example of liberals unable to stand other people doing the liberal thing. Liberals enjoy scoring points onto others, they do not enjoy being scored points on.
The chronology in the thread is once again telling. Blame something on someone and immediately do the same something on others.
Liberals do as they are.
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He did what now?
Trump freed a place he does not even acknowledged as an independent place. Liberals and freedom... Remember, peeps, for liberals, when a society forbids slavery, this society is unfree.
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Don't know. Trump had a particularly long chat when he spoke to Abbas - head of he Palestine Authority - longer than with other leaders at the Peace Summit. What is clear is that the Palestine issue is no 15 of the 20 point plan , Trump just mentioned Palesine once when he addressed the Knesset and he does not want Israel to reallize what he really has in mind, The same with his speech at the Peace Summit,
Once all major issus has been cleared up in the 20 point system it ould be too late for Israel to try and restart a war and will constantly force Israel to acceept what is happening until it is too late for Israel to sabotge the process,
So thus far they only dealt wih the first 3 points and chances are that in the next 5 points would be upcoming points only dealw ith Gaza. It must be iro of disarming of the three armed terrorist groups active in Gaza, The first two is allied to Iran the third one to the Peace Process at the moment on the go. There was a battle between Hamas and the third group in which 30 people were killed and Hamas withdrew from the battlefield, So despite the ceasefire in Gaza the internal situation is not peaceful - which would complicate the issue of disarming of all three groups, I thimnk the third organization may be allied to Egypt,since the food and emergency aid goes through an area of Gaza which they control. So that one alone will be extremely diffuclt to reach agreement on. I think what is decisive on is th fact that it is also linked to rebuilding of Gaza city will come from Saudi Arabia and he UAE countries and they won't invest in n area where the thee groups are operating in. The other issue is mainenance of Law and Oder, The idea is to train and develop a new Police F orce - but a force from Egypt and Turkey may fll that role, The frst part was t hee asiest part of the Peace Point plan - what will follow is going to be very difficult to agree on. . , . .
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I doubt this would have happened without Trump.....
Please don't ever try and convince me that Obama, Biden or Harris would have got this right
What is downright deplorable is just how many Democrats cannot even bring themselves to say, well done Donald.
Some have, including Hilary, but it is such a very short list
There were a lot of cogs in this wheel, resulting in this outcome.. but Trump seems to have been a main one
Ceasefire deal faces first challenges: "Disarm or we'll disarm you, Trump warns Hamas"
A scorpion came to the edge of a river but found there was no bridge.
He asked a fox if he would carry him across on his back.
The fox hesitated and said, “But you’ll sting me.”
The scorpion replied, “I won’t — if I did, we’d both drown.”
So the fox agreed and began to carry the scorpion across the river. But halfway across, the scorpion stung him.
As the poison took hold, the fox gasped, “Why did you do that? Now we’ll both drown!”
The scorpion replied calmly, “I couldn’t help it — it’s in my nature.”
The scorpion is both Hamas and Trump.
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No stupid the scorpion is Israel, Both Israel and Hamas are too afraid of Trump to sabotage the ME peace process,
Trump is absolutely correct to pressure Hamas to disarm....
At least he has the balls to put that directive out there.....
Sometimes bullish and aggressive responses are exactly what is needed against organisations like Hamas, ISIS .. etc etc
If Biden or Harris had made these threats, I doubt anyone would take them seriously.... but when Trump speaks like this, he very often backs it up with some type of action.
Maaik, the Israelis are no angels, but they've had the power for decades to do what they did in Gaza the last few years and they didn't. It took a terror attack like Oct 7 to provoke this reaction from them. Way out of proportion and horrible to witness, but they were provoked many, many times over the years, with 10-7 being the final straw...so no, they are not the scorpion, they are the lions.
No angels...they're war criminals, whose leadership deserves to be hauled in front of the ICJ.
A s soon as the war against Israeil another war broke out inside Gaza/ A new war started when Hamas attacked the Popular Front whose main control are in the Khan Younis area.. Hamas retreated but the result was 30 people killed,
I think there would be a time limi to send an International force to Occupy Gaza and disarm all terrorists irrespective of which terrist group they support. I think the talks on those two issues have already started and there may be further action would start soon - a power vacuum would be disastrous - which would jeopardise food provision and rebuildng projects,
"No angels...they're war criminals, whose leadership deserves to be hauled in front of the ICJ."
Maybe...that still needs to be proven, but what doesn't need to be proven is that none of this would have happened if 10-7 didn't happen...and if Hamas had the power to do so, Israel wouldn't exist no more....puts Trump's effort and achievement in perspective.
Imagine living in Israel and being surrounded by Arab countries, with many inhabitants who believe that Israel is an illegal state with no right to exist, in the legal sense, but also by the word of God (Allah).
Hamas appears to have been democratically elected as the ruling party of Gaza, so they must have people who support their ideology.
What Israel did was terrible, but if Hamas could do the same, they would probably do worse.
Exactly.
I would not overstate what Trump has done; there were only 10 hostages left who were released.
There is no way Hamas are going to step down. This is more akin to a ceasefire than an end to the war.
However, admittedly, no one will have been able to do much better in the given situation
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It is just an impossible situation. Hamas is just one of three major terrorit groups in Gaza, Two of them are linked to Iran two of them linked to Iran - so the day the cesaseire started -
It seems Hamas is trying to get total control of Gaza by all means possible, But there is a problem for both the present Israeli Government and Hamas, The people of Gaza suffered terribly during the War and wants peace at all costs - while according to opinion polls in Israel 80% if the Israeli's want peace as well. So will the present Government in Israel survive if they sabotage the present peace proposals pertaining to Gaza. wifh likely disastrous consequents for Netanjahu,
In the emantime it seems that Trump wants a stabilization force in Israel to undertake fo disarming of the terrorist groups and that the stabilization force in Gaza that is likry to include Turkey, Egypt and Indonesia soldiers and insistemce on sending in troops from the mentioned three nations to enter Hamas with the technical support of the USA, within the next two weeks. That will result in disarming all terrorist and clan groups in Gaza,
But that is just one part of it. Another part is an interim Governent to be established to ensure food and medical assistance and identification of potential Police force recruited from the people of Gaza, Trump wanted Blair to be leading the Interim Government - especially in view of the role he played in the Iraq war and it may be advidable to put a Muslim in charge of tht interim Govenmrnt - but who could it be? There are some potential leaders from especially Austria where they are supporting Muslim politicians who are opposed to Muslim radicalism and atleast have some experience in political Governance, Another option may be his son-in-law Kushner who is a Jew - but popular with the major Muslim countries as well, It would be a dangerous position for the time being. If that is the case Trump can be sure that his instructions will be adhered too,
Kushner is the person who negiotiationed the Abraham Accord with both Israel and the Gulf States, Jordan, Eqypt and Saudi-Arabia - which Accord was ignored by the Biden Presidency and is now back on the agenda. I originally thought the next phase of the negotiations would be difficult and would take months to finalize - but now became an emergency situation. Another alternate could be Sophie Duchess of Edinburgh - popular in the UK - who have been to Ukraine, and African countries like South Sudan and the Congo - all of them dangerous places to go to. She also served on various UN bodies relating to peace initiatives and upliftment of woman in wartorn countries, However, she is one of a few working royals left in the Royal family and is regularly used by the UK Government for foreign missions.to promote UK interests and also a person who before her marrage was opperating a Public Relations company in the UK, It is unlikely she would be allowed by the King to take on such a dangerous position in for instance Gaza and so would the rest of the Royal family and her husand and children,
Is Kushner the one whose father did jailtime for thieving ?
...fraud or something, yes.
Years ago - ony mentioned a a prson with real populairy anmongst the gulf states and the ME. I know his father hads problems many years ago - but Kushner himself is a billionnaire and only you would come up lie shit about his father while ignoring the Biden, Pelosu and Schiff crime families. Anyway Kushner's father was not jailed for thieving - he was j ailed becauise of making illegal contributions to the Democratic Party - fo tax evaion and fo witness tampering, His siter maried a chap by the name of Murray who joined her husband - so he did a dirty - he arranged for Muray to sleep with a prostitute - had what happenned and sent recordings to his sister - which the state regarded as witness tampering, He was in jail for 14 months,
Roundabout 2016 Kushner Senior changed his mind and stop donating mone to teh Democratic Paty - like many ther donors did and start donating money to the Republican Party, His son took over his billionaire companies inmvolved in housing deelopments in New York and New Jersey, Since 2017 his son - who married Trump;s daughter was Trump's national security advisor and as such negotiated the Abrahem A ccord beeen Irael and Muslim countiries in the ME.
After Trump left the WH in 2021 where he never paid his salary and devoted time to promote housing construction and development, In 2021 a Saudi billionaire wanted to invest $1,2 billion in the Kushner company, And was goven ahareholding in the company -which another normal lie by the Democrats.
Fact is Kushner was involved in the Gaza Peace Plan negotiaions, with the peace talks liaison Whitkoff and was involved in it, He was not paid a cent for his services in the first Trump tem and in the present processes invovled since he is a billionaire in his own right.
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Is Kushner the one whose father did jailtime for thieving ?
It is a bit more than that. It is a fun story as liberals know how to deliver.
So this liberal was investigated for fiscal fraud and it happened that his brother-in-law, the husband to his sister, collaborated with the authorities. To draw revenge, this liberal hired the services of a prostitute who seduced the husband to his sister and led him to a room that was properly equipped to record the sex they had.On his nephew's, that is the son of his sister and his brother-in-law, this liberal offered the videos to his nephew. The qualification of the plot by the US institution of justice is one to read.
Very funny story. Liberals do as they are.
This whole drama is turning funny. It is very funny. For a long time, liberals in Israel told that as soon as the hostages were liberated, the war would end. It is going to be funny.
Certainly appears to be the best peace agreement ever made in history.
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Liberalism is all about submission. No human ideology is even a match. One classical liberal strategy is to come up with blatantly unbelievable statements and to force them down the throat of people. That way, liberals experience first hand submission. Because accepting these statements means to have submitted.
Liberal Israel keeps killing people in Gaza, DJT has no problem with it. Not only they keep killing people but they also have planned to colonise Gaza, liberal settlers will kill Gaza inhabitants the very same way they are doing it in the West Bank.
Liberalism is all about submission. The most mattering part and the most crucial part is that criminals due to liberal manipulations have been placed at the first place to fight against that trend.
There is no way Hamas are going to step down. This is more akin to a ceasefire than an end to the war.
Spot-on... only the Trump supporters will think otherwise.
Denny
You always come up on the wrong side of the road when it comes to the issue of Gaza . Trump has isolated them from virtually the wole of te Muslim world and the only thing that will appe is that Turkey, Egypt and Indonesia will send a stabilization force and disarm Hamas, Trump got the vast majority of ME Countries and oher Muslim contries on his side and tey do not want further wars in the ME and I would wait and see hat happens in the ast developing situation and the ordinary people in aza wants no further rule by Hamas - while nobody supports a civil war in Gaza, So I would rather wait another week or two before coming up as to your above comments.
Hamas support in the ME countries are confined to Iran and they ahve been very quiet during the past two weeks - but there must have been some contacts between Iran and the Trump Administration on issues. It is apparent that Iran withdrew its forces from Syria under pressure from Turkey and the newly installed Syrian President had a meeting wh Trump as well, Trump apparenly told him clearly what he wants to happen before the USA will sign a trade and investmnt deal with Syria. Negotations with Syria are apaprently conmtinuing. In the meantime a USAEmbassy has opened in Damascus in September, while a border security deal between Syria and Israel has been signed,
It is hrd to keep pace with developments in the world at present.
"There is no way Hamas are going to step down. This is more akin to a ceasefire than an end to the war."
I guess we wait and see whether Hamas is capable of not killing anyone for a while.
I know where my money is.
Hamas are run by savages, killing is just part of the package. The only time when they stop killing is when they have been killed themselves.
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What is amazing - wih two days notice 50 countries their kings, Presidents.Prine Minsters and F oreig Affairs Ministes turn up to sign th epace ag remeent proposals in Egypt. If i is the Autopen doing the invitations they would sent their office cleaness to go or just not send anybody,
So Putin panicked and now wants peace in Ukraine.