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Perhaps the best appreciation of Trump I have read....

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
11 Feb 2020, 06:53
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11 Feb 2020, 06:53#1

....warts and all. The author writing in the Wall Street Journal  doesn’t claim he is Mother Theresa, just a very effective leader for the nation at this moment in time. He knew what he wanted to accomplish from day one.....and is relentlessly pursuing that vision.



President Trump speaks in Charlotte, N.C., Feb. 7.PHOTO: GERRY BROOME/ASSOCIATED PRESS

Is he a disease or a cure? Like him or hate him, there’s tons of spilled ink trying to assess President Trump’s governing style. To me, the key to understanding Trumpism is remembering why he was elected.

What do I mean? Voters chose Donald Trump as an antidote to the growing inflammation caused by the (OK, deep breath . . .) prosperity-crushing, speech-inhibiting, nanny state-building, carbon-obsessing, patriarchy-bashing, implicit bias-accusing, tokey-wokey, globalist, swamp-creature governing class—all perfectly embodied by the Democrats’ 2016 nominee. On taking office, Mr. Trump proceeded to hire smart people and create a massive diversion (tweets, border walls, tariffs) as a smokescreen to let them implement an agenda of tax cuts, deregulation and originalist judges.

Those reforms have left the market free to do its magic and got the economy grooving like it’s 1999. The daily Trump hurricane—like the commotion over the Chiefs from Kansas—makes the media focus on the all-powerful wizard while ignoring the policy makers behind the curtain.

Alfred Hitchcock called this kind of distraction a “MacGuffin”—something that moves the plot along and provides motivation for the characters, but is itself unimportant, insignificant or irrelevant. It can be a kind of sleight of hand, a distraction, and Mr. Trump uses his own public persona as a MacGuffin in precisely that way. The mobs decked in “Resist” jewelry fall for it every time.

For example, Sen. Bernie Sanders used his remarks during the Senate impeachment trial to point out that the media had documented some 16,200 alleged lies by President Trump. The MacGuffin worked! Mr. Sanders and his peers are focused on the president’s words, while most voters see the real plot unfolding in America—millions of jobs and rising wages.

The president’s success comes from his ability to shrug off critics. My son went to college in the early days of the social justice power grab. He recalls heated discussions in which someone would interrupt him to say, “Sorry, but you don’t get a say—you have white privilege.” My son would shoot right back: “Yeah, I don’t believe in that,” and resume his argument. That’s what Mr. Trump does. Rather than cower at the criticism he faces from the mobs, he probably smirks and thinks to himself, “Yeah, I don’t believe in that” and tweets away.

That’s the only reaction that can withstand today’s far left, which has become increasingly self-righteous. The very word “woke” asserts a kind of rebornness—as if those on their side have awakened and become holier than thou. It’s religion on the cheap. The movement takes “diversity” to mean people who see the world exactly as they do, only with different surface characteristics: race, class and gender identity. There’s no room for diversity of expression, let alone diversity of thought. (I’ve confirmed this at Silicon Valley cocktail parties.)

Mr. Trump was elected as an antibody against this swampy disease. He’s the antidote to the snake bite of correctness. He’s a white (privileged?) blood cell fighting the coronavirus of the culture.

I spent the 1980s in New York and got familiar with his annoyingness before much of the country did. But I’ve learned to appreciate Mr. Trump’s theater of chaos and Hitchcockian plot device, which help him get things done. Like what? Well, he’s moved the Israeli embassy to Jerusalem, installed competent originalist Supreme Court justices who don’t see penumbras and emanations whenever they want, sent Iranian Maj. Gen. Qasem Soleimani to the terrorist netherworld, and don’t forget that he got those UCLA basketball players out of Chinese prison. I’m still waiting on a real free-trade agreement.

To say the least, full freedom of expression has yet to be restored. But the engines of progress are running high and are set to continue—no matter how many speeches Nancy Pelosi tears up.

The president’s staff behind the curtain have engineered boom times, despite grounded Boeing 737s and the self-inflicted harm of tariffs. A deregulatory bonanza and corporate tax cuts have unleashed the economic beast. Unemployment is hitting 50-year lows and record lows for minority groups. The Dow Jones and Nasdaq are near record highs. Do you even know what’s happening at the Education, Energy, Agriculture or Commerce Departments? Me neither, but every so often one hears snippets of the reforms taking place behind the flashpots of Trumpiness.

President Trump’s potential opponents running in the Democratic primaries claim he is the disease and they are the cure. They’re missing the ways his MacGuffin game plan is working. The socialist wing wants to raise taxes and give stuff away, which would derail the economy and whack the 96.4% of labor-market participants who already have jobs. Tough sledding. As Yogi Berra might say, this election “ain’t over ’til it’s over.” But as long as the economy hums along—coronavirus notwithstanding—there’s a good chance voters will give the antibody more time to cure the country’s actual disease.

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CeradynePro9,374 posts
11 Feb 2020, 12:44
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11 Feb 2020, 12:44#2

“........ deregulation and originalist judges.”

This is going to be two of Trump’s greatest legacies. 

The nanny-state concept is the result of ages of over-regulation. The same problem exists in the UK. Probably as bad or even worse than in the USA. Boris has also declared war on over-regulation.

“ The MacGuffin worked! Mr. Sanders and his peers are focused on the president’s words, while most voters see the real plot unfolding in America—millions of jobs and rising wages.”

We had an Afrikaans expression in the Army, “Gooi rook en gaan links/regs om”. It basically has to do with the use of smoke grenades in battle but in this case it is used in debating. 

“  He knew what he wanted to accomplish from day one.....and is relentlessly pursuing that vision.”

He actually knew what he wanted from decades ago. If you look at the core of his foreign and domestic policies, he is still saying, and now doing, what he has been saying for the last thirty odd years. 


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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
11 Feb 2020, 14:58
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11 Feb 2020, 14:58#3

The article just doesn't do Trump justice. Some of the comments are nonsense. At least the oak has a glimmer.

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AJHPro3,183 posts
07 Mar 2020, 16:38
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07 Mar 2020, 16:38#4

Amazed that the "Never Trump" loonies have avoided this posting for almost a month.

Must be their fixation on President Trump's daughter I guess.

If that is so then at least all is not lost with the "Never Trump" loonies.

Stunner she is.

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
08 Mar 2020, 09:17
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08 Mar 2020, 09:17#5

The genius of Trump and the anti American BS of demonrats illuminated. 

Poor Redrooi is looking more absurd than ever as is his little echo Sharkclown. 

Hahahahaha. What a life of humiliation they lead day after day. 

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sharkbokCaptain23,216 posts
08 Mar 2020, 14:44
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08 Mar 2020, 14:44#6

The 2019 US GDP was 2.2%. Very average...

Trump has made America great again- but this has had no effect on the economy.  

Obama was averaging a higher GDP, while also still providing more state services. 

Trunp has put the US into trade wars with the rest of the world. 

The Chinse deal phase one is no improvement on anything that preceded it. It is not clear if there is even going to be a phase two. 

The Chinese deal is just a stalemate to allow trade again. It has achieved nothing. 

The Trumpanzees will continue to cheer for their master- because he is religious. Emotional reasons, no logical facts.


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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
08 Mar 2020, 16:06
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08 Mar 2020, 16:06#7

Trump isn't religious, but he isn't anti religious either...he has respect for both sides. The left is all about forcing their progressive agenda on everyone. 

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
08 Mar 2020, 16:20
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08 Mar 2020, 16:20#8

The economy and markets are stunningly good....the latest jobs report was spectacular. Consumer sentiment, the best measure of what’s happening in people’s lives is way higher than in the Obama years.


Before the Virus Trump was a certainty for re-election. I’m concerned the Virus may complicate the calculus,

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sharkbokCaptain23,216 posts
08 Mar 2020, 18:43
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08 Mar 2020, 18:43#9

The American consumer is growing in confidence. More Mcdonalds to feed the fat bastards! 

It is just supply and demand. More local jobs due to all of Trump's economic wars have damaged international trade. This has increased demand for local workers, hence why there has been a job increase but not increase of GDP. 

The best deal maker in the world has tried to blackmail countries, and the World sentiment has turned against America, and Trump the warmonger. 

The true measure of success is GDP, and it is shrinking each year. Far lower than the 3% Trump promised. 

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
09 Mar 2020, 06:32
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09 Mar 2020, 06:32#10

Oh balls....the US has been trading with China and Europe on terms which favored those two nations. Trump has suggested zero tariffs both ways with Europe as a solution. Why? Because Europe would give up more in an even trade scenario. And that doesn’t  even touch on the USA’s over funding of NATO, charities world wide and the UN.


Trump has simply pointed out these inequities and acted to reduce them. Of course that hurts, but in the long run a fairer global trade system benefits everybody.


You read too much left wing propaganda.

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
09 Mar 2020, 13:01
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09 Mar 2020, 13:01#11

Poor sharktwit is trying hard to dethrone Redrooi as clown in chief. He certainly is building momentum! 

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sharkbokCaptain23,216 posts
09 Mar 2020, 13:51
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09 Mar 2020, 13:51#12
China is still doing what they want, as is Europe. The great negotiator has not done anything but give ultimatums. They have called Chump's bluff...
Phase 1 of the Chinese Deal is looking like it will never get to Phase 2, it is just a rewind the clocks back to what it was.

Paying less for NATO is America's choice, but given they start most of the wars - they will have to fight in them by themselves. 
Trump is just a capitalist pig with his inner circle getting good deals in America. Trump's real estate business is particularly enjoying the extra business hosting events. Trump claimed he would donate the proceeds- but as he is the only US president to not submit a tax return no one knows how much he keeps. 



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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
09 Mar 2020, 15:54
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09 Mar 2020, 15:54#13
The best appreciation of Bozo I've ever read is a single four-letter word that starts with a "c" and rhymes with "hunt".
Short, accurate and succinct.
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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
09 Mar 2020, 17:29
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09 Mar 2020, 17:29#14

You read too much deranged Lefty rags.

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
09 Mar 2020, 18:57
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09 Mar 2020, 18:57#15

Actually China has already lost big time....as businesses change plans to locate in China.  Even before the virus they foist on the world their economy was tanking. As for Europe it’s sinking on it’s own...nobody needs do anything more.....and that’s before electric cars destroy Germany’s car industry.


It’s amusing how Peeper and Shark rant at Trump and not a peep, no pun intended, about the virus China’s primitive practices have imposed on the world. 


Sad cases both.

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sharkbokCaptain23,216 posts
09 Mar 2020, 19:42
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09 Mar 2020, 19:42#16
China does deserve contempt for this flue virus. However, it does not mean Trump should be appreciated.
The critics of Trump are asking what his achievements are. 
A low GDP and no proper deals with China or Europe. The only reason there are more jobs in the US, is because Trump has destroyed the US trade relations- and now there is less outsourcing to countries with a lower cost of production. 



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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
09 Mar 2020, 19:59
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09 Mar 2020, 19:59#17

There’s a ‘flue’ virus.....have the chimney sweepers been warned? This could be really serious......hahahaha! Shark you are deluded, wealth is created by capitalism and spent by socialism. 

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sharkbokCaptain23,216 posts
09 Mar 2020, 20:11
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09 Mar 2020, 20:11#18
Capitalism is better than socialism, not many people argue against that. However some peoples ideas of what capitalism is differs. 
Socialism is the only check of power to ensure that Trump and his backroom cronies don't end up owning the whole economy. If competition dies, it is no longer capitalism. It is just some fraudulent cheats owning the whole system. 

Real capitalism should be closer to ideal competition, and not monopolies and price-fixing within oligopolies. That is where Trump thrives: backroom deals, insider trading and bribes that are against the spirit of capitalism. Basically a criminal that makes a mockery of the ideals of capitalism. 
He has probably been bribing politicians since he has been in business. This is probably why he does not want to publish his tax return because it will show all the dodgy payments to politicians. Trump should probably be in jail given the number of companies he has used creative accounting to dissolve... (Lost of probabilities - because his tax return is hidden...)
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sharkbokCaptain23,216 posts
09 Mar 2020, 20:27
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09 Mar 2020, 20:27#19


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AJHPro3,183 posts
09 Mar 2020, 20:31
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09 Mar 2020, 20:31#20

Got it Rooi.......Carb.

He sure has the energy and vision.

He must also have taken your share .....sorry loser.

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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
09 Mar 2020, 20:34
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09 Mar 2020, 20:34#21

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
09 Mar 2020, 22:53
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09 Mar 2020, 22:53#22

Shark you just make these sweeping statements.....name one thing the Trump regime has done to reduce competition.

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sharkbokCaptain23,216 posts
09 Mar 2020, 23:32
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09 Mar 2020, 23:32#23

https://www.vox.com/2019/7/29/8932025/trump-sprint-tmobile-hotel

https://democracyjournal.org/arguments/trumps-no-friend-of-competition/


It is part of Trump's personality. 

He does not want an economy with perfect capitalism - more than 8 competitors that makeup over 80% of the market share. 

He wants consolidation because this is better for corrupt business deals and bribery- which Trump so loves.


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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
10 Mar 2020, 00:05
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10 Mar 2020, 00:05#24

Actually these decision are made by the Justice Department and/or the Federal Trade Commission. I have been through several of these rodeos. 


The Regulators take up an adversarial pro consumer stance and hire economists. The companies find lawyers who have typically worked for the regulators in a previous life and their own economists.


Both sides make their arguments and then the negotiations begin. Deals are rarely just thrown out...usually both sides look for a remedy if there are anti Trust issues.


Remedies usually require divestitures and/or the entry of new competitors. Just as in the Sprint case......it’s not unusual, it’s typical. Very often the professionals conclude that combining two companies will produce a stronger competitor and more meaningful competition  than two compromised companies.  


And this is not decided by the President, it’s decided by the permanent bureaucracy. That group is not going to quietly change their views to accommodate Trump.


This deal was approved because the economists and the lawyers were convinced it wouldn’t reduce competition.


Next?

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sharkbokCaptain23,216 posts
10 Mar 2020, 00:41
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10 Mar 2020, 00:41#25
You did read the articles? No offence, I would take the words of a president over you - even Trump!

If the president has no influence, why was this one of Trump's talking points during his initial election campaign? Admittedly this is an American problem - not just Trump. However, Trump claimed he was against the practice.

Trump loves it- t he consolidation of power which makes it easier for his corrupt practices. 

During the election, Donald Trump took everyone by surprise when he came out swinging against consolidated economic power. He whacked AT&T’s merger with Time Warner calling it “too much concentration of power in the hands of too few.”

Of Comcast’s acquisition of NBC, Trump declared, “Deals like this destroy democracy.” Trump went after Amazon, calling it a “huge antitrust problem” and asserting that Jeff Bezos, its founder, had purchased The Washington Post to protect the company and its “monopolistic tendencies.”

Almost Rooseveltian in some of his rhetoric, Trump seemed, at the time, to have tapped into something. Not only did he appear to demonstrate an acute awareness of economic concentration, but he made clear that his Administration would be a bulwark against such dominance; what Trump had called the “the power structure I’m fighting.”


And yet, a week before taking the oath of office, the then-President-elect met with the heads of three large companies with pending antitrust cases before the U.S. Department of Justice. The first meeting was with the CEO of AT&T, the very company he had singled out during the campaign. The telecom giant is looking to merge with Time Warner in a massive $85 billion deal that could upend the media industry with notable ramifications for the current balance of power between consumers, content creators, and cable providers. That was followed by a meeting with the heads of Monsanto, America’s largest seed and chemical company, and Bayer, the German chemical and drug behemoth, two companies also set to merge shortly. If permitted, the merger will significantly consolidate the seed and chemical market, potentially resulting in higher prices, less innovation, and less choice.
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sharkbokCaptain23,216 posts
10 Mar 2020, 01:01
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10 Mar 2020, 01:01#26
Every media outlet in the world is against Trump - except Fox News- who are religious and far-right. He was a crook as a businessman, and he is a crook as a politician.




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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
10 Mar 2020, 01:51
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10 Mar 2020, 01:51#27
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
10 Mar 2020, 03:38
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10 Mar 2020, 03:38#28

Easily remedied Denny. Perhaps friends should simply accept that they have different views on this topic. 

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
10 Mar 2020, 03:39
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10 Mar 2020, 03:39#29
Shark.. Trump can lobby for a deal, it will be decided by the Justice Department or FTC.
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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
10 Mar 2020, 07:38
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10 Mar 2020, 07:38#30
There continues to be debate around the achievements or non achievements of Obese Donnie depending of who one listens to, but one thing is clear, and it's remiss of the header article not to mention it, it is this......no POTUS has divided Americans more than Trump. 
Of that there is no debate.


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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
10 Mar 2020, 08:31
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10 Mar 2020, 08:31#31

...or the voting in of Trump was the reaction to division that happened over the last 3 decades...the division was already there, he merely accentuated it? T here's always a few sides to a story if you look hard enough.

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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
10 Mar 2020, 10:13
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10 Mar 2020, 10:13#32

I thought that it might be closer but alas, for now , redneck USA rules, they obviously the majority ....... gawd help 'em.

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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
10 Mar 2020, 10:22
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10 Mar 2020, 10:22#33

Bozo is not just the most divisive US president ever, he's one of the most polarising people on the planet . . . to the extent that when discussing Bozo, most people I know have to ask the other person their opinion of Trump before starting any discussion . . . otherwise it all goes downhill very quickly.

The other thing that makes Bozo unique is the fact that there has never been a US president (or a leader of any country that I'm aware of) who is so incompetent, thin-skinned, stupid, short-tempered, conceited or childish. Bozo beats everyone else hands down in all those categories.

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
10 Mar 2020, 14:27
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10 Mar 2020, 14:27#34

Actually all Trump is  for is keeping America the way it is. He isn’t taking anything away from any citizen. Nor is he oppressing anybody. Quite the contrary.


The trouble is the left and the fools who buy their narrative are invested in ‘change’. And Trump is a strong enough personality to stand up to all the abuse he gets for opposing  that position. Given he has literally been accused of being a traitor, his equanimity is quite remarkable.


Change isn’t always great....witness South Africa.

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CeradynePro9,374 posts
10 Mar 2020, 15:17
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10 Mar 2020, 15:17#35
“ Posted by: Rooinek (9866 posts) Mar 10, 2020, 10:22 Bozo is not just the most divisive US president ever, he's one of the most polarising people on the planet . . . to the extent that when discussing Bozo, most people I know have to ask the other person their opinion of Trump before starting any discussion . . . otherwise it all goes downhill very quickly. The other thing that makes Bozo unique is the fact that there has never been a US president (or a leader of any country that I'm aware of) who is so incompetent, thin-skinned, stupid, short-tempered, conceited or childish. Bozo beats everyone else hands down in all those categories.” It has a custom to start a statement like this with: “It is my opinion that......”
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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
10 Mar 2020, 15:30
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10 Mar 2020, 15:30#36
Hmmm . . . so Ceradunce, do you hold yourself to the same standards? How about your earlier post on this thread (2nd from top), do you not think that could also be classified as opinion rather than fact . . . or are you conceited and stupid enough to think that e verything you say is fact while any views contrary to your own are just opinion?
It sure sounds like that's what you're saying.
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CeradynePro9,374 posts
10 Mar 2020, 15:55
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10 Mar 2020, 15:55#37
Are you disputing my assertions about Trump’s objectives of deregulation and appointment of judges? Are you disputing my assertion of Trump’s diversion tactics? It may be seen as an opinion of mine but I have given you a clear indication of why I believe that he diverted attention away from what he was doing. Unlike you, I have not just listed a bunch of opinions and dressed it up as facts.
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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
10 Mar 2020, 15:58
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10 Mar 2020, 15:58#38
". . . or are you conceited and stupid enough to think that everything you say is fact while any views contrary to your own are just opinion?"
A simple "yes" would have sufficed.
Sanctimonious hypocrite!
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CeradynePro9,374 posts
10 Mar 2020, 18:29
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10 Mar 2020, 18:29#39
You chose how to ask a question. I chose how to answer it. I owe you nothing, least of all the right to answer your question in the way you want it answered.
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sharkbokCaptain23,216 posts
10 Mar 2020, 19:03
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10 Mar 2020, 19:03#40
Sources Ceradunce?
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