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Perhaps the best appreciation of Trump I have read....

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
10 Mar 2020, 19:13
#41
10 Mar 2020, 19:13#41

It's obvious for all but idiots.

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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
10 Mar 2020, 21:18
#42
10 Mar 2020, 21:18#42
"I owe you nothing, least of all the right to answer your question in the way you want it answered."
This is not about who owes who anything, this is about a sanctimonious hypocrite stating an opinion like "This is going to be two of Trump’s greatest legacies. (sic)" and then later on the same thread telling someone else to preface his opinions with the words "It is my opinion that . . ."
You can spin it however you like but your statement - as grammatically incorrect as it is - is still just an opinion . . . and a stupid one at that . . . so if you want to carry on being a complete and utter twat then go back through all your opinionated garbage and preface your own opinions with the same caveat and hold your Trumpanzee buddies to the same standards.
Okay, chump? Clear enough for you?
Sanctimonious hypocrite!
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
10 Mar 2020, 21:37
#43
10 Mar 2020, 21:37#43

Ou Redrooi is never funnier than when this daft perv and outrageous hypocrite gets on his high rocking horse. 

Bwhahahaha. It's obviously getting to the nutjob that he has made a complete jackass of himself on this board. Hahahaha.

Never mind Redrooi from your vantage point it's seems impossible to sink lower so maybe you go up! 

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CeradynePro9,374 posts
10 Mar 2020, 22:17
#44
10 Mar 2020, 22:17#44
@ Rooinek. Trump’s deregulation has already played a huge role in stimulating the USA domestic economy. Approvals for various projects have already been increased due to a cutdown in useless bureaucratic regulations. Trump’s judicial appointments has already changed the make-up of the judiciary for generations to come. I will be two of his greatest achievements and will have an influence long after he has left office. @SB Strange how you do not ask Rooinek for sources to back up his opinions.
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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
10 Mar 2020, 22:25
#45
10 Mar 2020, 22:25#45
Well that's just your opinion and stop trying to pretend it's any more than that.
Bozo's pathetic name-calling means my description of him as childish is a lot more factual than your Trumpanzee Kool-Aid propaganda.
Sanctimonious hypocrite!
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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
10 Mar 2020, 22:25
#46
10 Mar 2020, 22:25#46


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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
11 Mar 2020, 00:46
#47
11 Mar 2020, 00:46#47

‘Bozo’s pathetic  name-calling’ ... ‘sanctimonius hypocrite’ ....says the Boards biggest name caller in mid season form.  I guess you hate people who do the things you do, which raises some hilarious possibilities.


What a prat!

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sharkbokCaptain23,216 posts
11 Mar 2020, 01:12
#48
11 Mar 2020, 01:12#48
Ceradunce

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Mar 10, 2020, 22:17

@ Rooinek. Trump’s deregulation has already played a huge role in stimulating the USA domestic economy-

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Yet the US GDP in 2019 was a modest 2.2%....

Lower than the so-called "socialist" Obama... Trump says it is fantastic, but numbers are the hardest lie...

So Trump has removed unnecessary legislation, but it has had no real effect on the economy in real terms...

Although Trumps "buddies" have benefited greatly and he has set up deals for all his family members and associates. As soon as the trade wars are over, US companies will outsource more again and the US job market will shrink. This may increase GDP, but national job demand will decrease. Trump has probably increased jobs by luck- a direct effect of his trade wars that has increased demand for local workers...

Some of these legislations are not useless. Regulation is important to make sure companies do not commit fraud. Also adherence to social responsibility like the environment for future generations and other life on earth. 

If Trump and his pals can make a quick buck, they could not care less about anyone. If other people benefit the only motive Trump would have is for his own ego and to get votes for a second term. Although his heart lies in shafting everyone with his insider trading business practises. 


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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
11 Mar 2020, 01:26
#49
11 Mar 2020, 01:26#49

I don't know why you guys bother debating the merits of Obese Donnie when he represents a divided America, one of his own creation, one that sits well with the ugly side of America and one that puts rednecks like cera dyne in his comfort zone.

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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
11 Mar 2020, 07:12
#50
11 Mar 2020, 07:12#50
I guess you hate people who do the things you do, which raises some hilarious possibilities."
Wehe . . . so here we have the doddering old drunkard basically admitting that he doesn't see the difference between ordinary people like us calling each other names on a meaningless rugby message board and Bozo - the president of the United States - calling political opponents names like Crazy Bernie, Pocahontas, Lyin' Ted, Mini Mike and Sleepy Joe.
That's actually quite an admission when you think about it!
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
11 Mar 2020, 16:30
#51
11 Mar 2020, 16:30#51

‘Doddering old drunkard’.....there you go again......the confirmed substance abuse addict calling somebody else a drunkard. Funny stuff.

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
11 Mar 2020, 16:32
#52
11 Mar 2020, 16:32#52

Disagree .....America was divided well before Trump and the ugly side of America exists in both parties, witness Antifa.

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
11 Mar 2020, 22:58
#53
11 Mar 2020, 22:58#53

Trump's branding of his opponents is brilliant. 

Warren could never survive Pocohontas. 

Bloomberg was shattered by mini Mike. 

Quid pro Joe was devastating 

Nervous Nancy summed her up exactly she is so scared of losing the gavel she caved to the squad and will now lose the House. 

Crazy Bernie is also sonspot on. Not that a far left radical commie like Redrooi would know why!

What burns up poor Redrooi is that Trump proves on a daily basis how moronic and deranged Redrooi is. He feels so humiliated. 

Poor Redrooi! 

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
11 Mar 2020, 22:58
#54
11 Mar 2020, 22:58#54

Trump's branding of his opponents is brilliant. 

Warren could never survive Pocohontas. 

Bloomberg was shattered by mini Mike. 

Quid pro Joe was devastating 

Nervous Nancy summed her up exactly she is so scared of losing the gavel she caved to the squad and will now lose the House. 

Crazy Bernie is also sonspot on. Not that a far left radical commie like Redrooi would know why!

What burns up poor Redrooi is that Trump proves on a daily basis how moronic and deranged Redrooi is. He feels so humiliated. 

Poor Redrooi! 

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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
12 Mar 2020, 00:57
#55
12 Mar 2020, 00:57#55

Reading through my above post I didn't make myself clear enough, what I should have said was whereas some past Presidents may have divided America the reality is that Obese Donnie has "bitterly" divided America.

Fixed!

And oh, the garbage about accepting him warts and all..... does it also mean that Putin and Xi should be accepted warts and all as well? 

What warts and all means in layman's terms is that the pussy rubbing Obese Donny is an Arsehole and if he wasn't governing a fine democracy he'd be an even bigger Arsehole.

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
12 Mar 2020, 01:25
#56
12 Mar 2020, 01:25#56

Takes one to know one.

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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
12 Mar 2020, 01:34
#57
12 Mar 2020, 01:34#57

Oh dearie me….a bit personal now huh? 

Not sure if I like your new terms of engagement but what would a "Bumkin" like me know.

So umm.....what ever happened to  "Easily remedied Denny. Perhaps friends should simply accept that they have different views on this topic. " Hahahahaha

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
12 Mar 2020, 06:20
#58
12 Mar 2020, 06:20#58
‘Bumpkin’....your attribution not mine. The trouble with the anti Trump zealots is they believe they have complete license to insult the man and his supporters. But the supporters don’t have the right to respond.
When I suggested friends should be able to agree to disagree on Trump, that never included accepting animosity and insults.
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BrycyPro4,671 posts
12 Mar 2020, 06:25
#59
12 Mar 2020, 06:25#59

..Dense rule #1 of a cult - Don't criticise the leader...

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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
12 Mar 2020, 07:07
#60
12 Mar 2020, 07:07#60

Oh I see....I insult your Sacred Cow on an insignificant rugby message board....yes? The insult thank you kindly doesn't travel any further than this forum, has no impact on any member of this forum including you but it's justification enough for you to and take it personally and insult a friend. 

I had my suspicions this would happen, in truth I was merely testing the water and you confirmed those suspicions. Anyone who dares to criticize your sacred cow is jumped upon, everything works well with you and your tribe when either one remains silent or one is in total agreement with the propaganda that's floated in these parts.. And actually, I've been silent, for months I've been silent, fully aware of what would happen if I dared to buck the trend. Believe it or not Obese Donnie is not your relo…...to me he is a politician not my poster child.

Mozart, I used to respect you, enjoyed your posts until you changed, believed I was a loyal friend......you sound bitter these days, sometimes I wonder whether you can survive without having a never ending spat with someone.....I haven't insulted you, you on the contrary have insulted me. I cannot and will not agree with everything you say and I suspect you demand that because of past "favours."

This could get ugly........your call not mine. Just don't expect me to let your insults slide past me in the future.

I'm happy to see it end right here and now but reserve my right to retaliate when necessary.

End of subject matter.



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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
12 Mar 2020, 07:10
#61
12 Mar 2020, 07:10#61

True Brycy.....I've learnt that the hard way.



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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
12 Mar 2020, 08:09
#62
12 Mar 2020, 08:09#62

Denny,

How has Trump divided America?

I'd like to know what specific actions or words, in your opinion, have been the main contributors.

BTW Cera is one of the most knowledgeable posters here. I could point you to many posts where he makes pertinent, intelligent and objective contributions. 

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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
12 Mar 2020, 08:27
#63
12 Mar 2020, 08:27#63

Shark,

That's a good thing. 

"Every media outlet in the world is against Trump - except Fox News- who are religious and far-right."

Remember when every media outlet in the world was so very much for the Iraq War 2.0?

So much so that if you disagreed you were virtually a terrorist. Then Libya.

How'd that turn out? 

Have they ever apologised for the atrocities they helped to inspire? No mate. They never did. 

It's sick. But what is really sad is that supposedly smart(not discovery channel educated) people still allow themselves to be dragged around by the nose by the bare faced, self-interested bottom feeders that lie for a living.

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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
12 Mar 2020, 10:23
#64
12 Mar 2020, 10:23#64

Thank fck Trompie, at the woist, has only 4 more years ....... apparently Puketin's setting himself up to rule 'til 2036 .

Trompie's nevertheless a divisive, spiteful & dangerous buffoon........a vark (doesn't the afrikaans resonate so lekker, sounds more apt & virulent than me calling him a pig).

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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
12 Mar 2020, 10:29
#65
12 Mar 2020, 10:29#65

So is somebody gonna man up and say what he has done that has been divisive?

I'm not talking about what people's opinions on his divisiveness are or about America being divided. 

I'm asking what Trump has done.

What have his big divisive moves been?


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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
12 Mar 2020, 10:30
#66
12 Mar 2020, 10:30#66
Calling Bozo a pig or a vark is an insult to pigs.
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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
12 Mar 2020, 10:32
#67
12 Mar 2020, 10:32#67

Edit: Sorry, posted weekend team on wrong thread.

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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
12 Mar 2020, 11:46
#68
12 Mar 2020, 11:46#68
The Cost of Trump’s Obama Hatred

The president is wasting one of the country’s most valuable assets: the wisdom of his predecessor.

by Markos Kounalakis March 10, 2020 Politics The White House/Flickr

Presidential elections are on everyone’s minds and TV sets these days because presidents matter. In America’s democracy, presidents are its singular most important leaders. Heightened attention to their selection and performance reflects how critical they are to the nation’s strength and survival.

In February, five living presidents were celebrated—Jimmy Carter, Bill Clinton, George W. Bush, Barack Obama and Donald Trump. It is a remarkable democratic achievement and a testament to America’s confidence that the country transitions power peacefully from administration to administration regardless of political party. Republicans yield to Democrats who yield to Republicans.

Unlike other countries, America’s previous presidents are neither hounded nor capriciously thrown in jail. Instead, our former commanders-in-chief live and travel freely.

Unfortunately, they are also currently being ignored and denigrated. That not only deprives America of potential power, it comes at a cost.

Presidents in the late 20th and early 21st centuries relied on their predecessors for counsel and collaboration. Ex-presidents have been previously used to free hostages in hostile foreign lands, participate in humanitarian endeavors or lobby for difficult bipartisan policies. It had become commonplace to deploy former presidents—regardless of party or personality clashes—to help administrations in power do hard things. This was true for nearly every modern president.

There are, however, two very notable exceptions: Franklin Delano Roosevelt and Donald John Trump.

Once in office, Roosevelt dissed Herbert Hoover at every opportunity. Trump remains allergic to all things Obama, making the African-American 44th president the 21st century’s Herbert Hoover.

Ignoring a young Hoover in the past and vibrant Obama today has deprived the nation of opportunities both for greater domestic harmony and difficult foreign intermediation. America’s once clear, sometimes singular, voice abroad is now processed and overamplified as a noisy global cacophony.

Disrupting the presidential continuum, comity, and collaboration can be blamed for some of today’s international ills. Could Obama, for example, be quietly deployed to make diplomatic overtures today to a sanctioned, struggling and coronavirus-infected Iran? Where could Clinton, Carter or Bush be leveraged?

Trump may admire Andrew Jackson, but he is emulating Roosevelt by trying to stack the courts, open up state coffers and punish his perceived adversaries and enemies. It’s hard to accept, but what FDR successfully did was erase Hoover. He never allowed Hoover’s works be recognized. Hoover was roundly defeated in the 1932 election, persona non grata at the White House and exiled to the farthest end of the continental United States at Stanford University.

Where Hoover had the foresight to build the Hoover Dam, Roosevelt had the pettiness to rename it Boulder Dam. Policy after policy, person after person, if the scent of Hoover lingered on a bill, banker, business, politician or pet project, it was regarded as the pervasive stink of someone who had defecated in the Oval Office.

When Roosevelt died, he left an unprepared Harry Truman to take over as his constitutionally mandated successor. Truman inherited an ongoing war, the overblown legacy of a four-term president and a decision to make about blowing up Japan with the world’s newest weapon—the atomic bomb.

FDR never deeply briefed Truman, and 82 days into his vice presidency, Truman was thrust into the role of 33rd president. He sought a lifeline from the only other person alive who knew the pressures he was facing and understood the presidency. He needed an ex-president, and the only one available was a vilified California Republican: Herbert Hoover. Truman and Hoover joked that this was the beginning of a “former presidents’ club.”

Hoover, desperately seeking rehabilitation and respect, hungrily accepted the role of hidden adviser, careful consultant, proven European post-war logistics master and savior.

Trump has not only taken a page from FDR’s playbook, he’s writing a whole new chapter on political purges, with updated sections on baiting, backbiting and bullying former presidents. Barack Obama, meet Herbert Hoover.

In the recent past and on solemn national occasions, group photos of living presidents showed the world America’s power and unity. It is remarkable to see pictures of Nixon, Ford, Carter, Bush and Clinton together. It is powerful to know that they relied on each other for insights into foreign leaders, difficult hostage negotiations, secret two-track discussions with adversaries, joint humanitarian missions and general counsel on thorny issues.

Today, those photos seem like relics of a bygone era. Instead of former U.S. presidents posing for Associated Press photos in the Oval Office, spying foreign journalists are now welcomed into the White House to shoot Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov and Ambassador Sergey Kislyak who yuk it up near Andrew Jackson’s portrait.

American presidents past and present are a national asset and should be welcomed into the White House—whether ushered in the front door or snuck in the back. Unfortunately, the only president with an open invitation today is Vladimir Putin.

Support Nonprofit Journalism

If you enjoyed this article, consider making a donation to help us produce more like it. The Washington Monthly was founded in 1969 to tell the stories of how government really works—and how to make it work better. Fifty years later, the need for incisive analysis and new, progressive policy ideas is clearer than ever. As a nonprofit, we rely on support from readers like you.

Markos Kounalakis

Markos Kounalakis is McClatchy’s foreign affairs columnist, a visiting fellow at the Hoover Institution, and the author of Spin Wars and Spy Games: Global Media and Intelligence. He is president and publisher emeritus of the Washington Monthly. 

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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
12 Mar 2020, 12:11
#69
12 Mar 2020, 12:11#69

Ok, so I take it nobody can give me an example.

Guess I'll just wait.

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
12 Mar 2020, 15:38
#70
12 Mar 2020, 15:38#70

Well suit yourself Denny. But you might want to read through this thread and see if I have done anything but argue rationally that Trump is doing a good job and provide information about anti trust proceedings that I have personally experienced.

I say again....everybody has a right to their own opinion. That doesn’t extend to anger and insults. Hell I can even accept insults with a bit of humour.... the anger is tedious.

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sharkbokCaptain23,216 posts
12 Mar 2020, 17:24
#71
12 Mar 2020, 17:24#71
The question is their one person in the world who is not a Christian that likes Trump...
No one else trusts him. His attitude is too brash, like he sees himself above the law. His little cliche are no doubt getting business deals that will set them up for the rest of their life, and more.
His son is law (Kushner) already inherited fraudulent money that his own father (Kushner senior) went to jail for. 


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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
12 Mar 2020, 17:27
#72
12 Mar 2020, 17:27#72
"The question is their one person in the world who is not a Christian that likes Trump..."
Baboon-ou.
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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
12 Mar 2020, 17:42
#73
12 Mar 2020, 17:42#73

 "The trouble with the anti Trump zealots is they believe they have complete license to insult the man and his supporters. But the supporters don’t have the right to respond."

Yes, it's OK to group all Trump supporters as stupid redneck racists, Trumpanzees(Suzanne Barr anyone?)...that means half of America falls under that blanket...Deplorables who should STFU and be bullied and dominated by the "superior" lefty crowd, because of a nonexistent moral superiority...what snobbish BS !

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AJHPro3,183 posts
12 Mar 2020, 21:19
#74
12 Mar 2020, 21:19#74

sharkbok if you have credible documented evidence of any of the outlandish claims that you posted please direct them to the Justice dept. in Washington D.C. 

Otherwise, it is all BULLSHIT.

You f----en "snowflakes" are all piss and wind.

Waste to the human race.

Zero respect for anything unless it is anti Christ, LGBT, off white and all your way.

I call guys like you "Worthless Useless Twats".

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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
13 Mar 2020, 09:09
#75
13 Mar 2020, 09:09#75

Still waiting boys...

Hilarious. Trump has done sooooooo much to divide America and everyone is so butt hurt but not one of you are able to offer an example.

How strange, no?

One can't help but laugh. All these grown-ups that just regurgitate what they hear on CNN. Never stopping to ask themselves if there's any truth to it.

How sad. Sad and embarrassing.

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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
13 Mar 2020, 09:24
#76
13 Mar 2020, 09:24#76

And, Denny. 

I've disagreed with Moz many times. Bitcoin being one occasion where he has had ample opportunity to become annoyed at me and my lack of knowledge. He could likely embarrass the hell out of me, if he so chose.

Weird, he never did.

That stands in direct contradiction to what you "have suspected for months".

It also stands head and shoulders above the standards of many/most poster's on this board, myself included.

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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
13 Mar 2020, 12:46
#77
13 Mar 2020, 12:46#77

Plum, I'm not sure who pressed your button but it wasn't me, that aside while you're waiting for a response from me, can you get this to work? 

Tx.



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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
13 Mar 2020, 13:03
#78
13 Mar 2020, 13:03#78

The fact that the needle is bouncing, is an indication of one of two things...

The unit itself is vibrating, or... 

The pressure on the receiving side of the diaphragm is fluctuating. This could be due to fluctuating fan/pump pressure, a leak in the connective tubing or wear in the diaphragm tension. 

The needle bouncing from its lowest level indicates that the system is likely leaking to atmosphere. 

In other words...

There's a hole in your system or your diaphragm is a bit loose. Haha, take your pick.

Next?

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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
13 Mar 2020, 13:07
#79
13 Mar 2020, 13:07#79

Anyway, Denny...

I take you intentionally ignored the request to provide a decent exmple of how Trump ha s divided America...on the grounds of there not being any.

Do you really not have a single example?

Oh well, you're not alone...Shark and co failed just as badly. 



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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
13 Mar 2020, 13:20
#80
13 Mar 2020, 13:20#80

Doing my finest to get to 0......naaah I give up.

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