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Peter Mandelson UK US Diplomat - Cancelled

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sharkbokCaptain20,097 posts
11 Sept 2025, 13:02
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11 Sept 2025, 13:02#1

He has been cancelled with immediate effect. It appears he was a dear friend of Epstein

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
11 Sept 2025, 13:05
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11 Sept 2025, 13:05#2

He was the US Ambassadior in the USA dimwit and obviouslty in league with the Duke of York was in this case. A nother dirty politician of the Left that needs to be eliminated from any political office,

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sharkbokCaptain20,097 posts
11 Sept 2025, 13:08
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11 Sept 2025, 13:08#3

The difference is that the left takes ownership and sacks people like this instead of defending them.


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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
11 Sept 2025, 13:25
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11 Sept 2025, 13:25#4

"The difference is that the left takes ownership and sacks people like this instead of defending them.

Nonsense. This is a rare outlier.

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sharkbokCaptain20,097 posts
11 Sept 2025, 13:42
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11 Sept 2025, 13:42#5

Angela Rayner, the Deputy primeminister was fired last week...

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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
11 Sept 2025, 14:10
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11 Sept 2025, 14:10#6

Nonsense. This is a rare outlier.


It's actually the 5th sacking Labour has done since coming to power.


The Louise Haigh sacking was for next to nothing. Clearly holding themselves to a higher standard than the ridiculously corrupt Tories.

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
11 Sept 2025, 14:41
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11 Sept 2025, 14:41#7

"The Louise Haigh sacking was for next to nothing. Clearly holding themselves to a higher standard than the ridiculously corrupt Tories."


British politics is in shambles...I lost all hope for the Poms...rest of Europe isn't much better IMO.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
11 Sept 2025, 15:02
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11 Sept 2025, 15:02#8

Why all teh sckings by the Lbor Government. Easy - they have lost massive support and divisions in the Party between the ultra-leftists and moderates are now causing havoc in the Party itself.


How long will Starmer be Prime Minioster - my guess is no longer than another six months bfore the Ultra=left takes over and filly destroy the UK economy. The USA under the Autopen Presidency was on the same route as France is at presnet. The French economy is as bad as the USA ecionomy was under Biden and politically France is nearing a civil war situation inside the country between the ultra-left and Communists on the one side and the moderate and right wing politicians on the other side,


But then - those whom the Gods wish to destroy they drive made and that is the situation in UK and French politicians at present. Both countries are on the destruction list - with Germany just a pace behid them.


What is clear is that the European countries are cxursed by bad leaders and not one ahs a stong leader that can end the misrule of the three countries will remain shit as long as the leftists rule the roost in their destruction of culture and history in Europe.


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becsPro4,378 posts
11 Sept 2025, 15:05
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11 Sept 2025, 15:05#9

He didn’t sack Rayner, she resigned.

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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
11 Sept 2025, 15:20
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11 Sept 2025, 15:20#10

He didn’t sack Rayner, she resigned.


It's often sort of the same thing, they walk before they are forced to go, which was what was going to happen to Rayner once the ethics investigation concluded she broke the ministerial code.


When you count sacking/resignations Labour are actually up to 11 now.

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becsPro4,378 posts
11 Sept 2025, 16:00
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11 Sept 2025, 16:00#11

They’re not fit to govern.

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sharkbokCaptain20,097 posts
11 Sept 2025, 16:34
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11 Sept 2025, 16:34#12

It has been a terrible start to Labour's rule, after 14 disastrous Tory years.


Not sure what is happening to the West, but the politicians are the worst batch we have seen in our lifetimes. The scandal and corruption is never ending.


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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
11 Sept 2025, 17:22
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11 Sept 2025, 17:22#13

"Not sure what is happening to the West, but the politicians are the worst batch we have seen in our lifetimes. The scandal and corruption is never ending."


Secularism breeds poor leaders...do what thou wilt...is a poor ethos...no accountability.

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sharkbokCaptain20,097 posts
04 Feb 2026, 23:22
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04 Feb 2026, 23:22#14

Mandelson has now been thrown out of the House of Lords.


So far, it seems that only British people are facing the consequences, no Americans (other than Epstein himself).

The American government will protect the shareholding class at all costs. Their politicians will continue with the left/right-wing card, while investing in their stock options.


Peter Mandelson's Epstein scandal has escalated dramatically in early 2026 with new US Justice Department document releases. These include bank records showing three $25,000 payments from Epstein's JP Morgan accounts to Mandelson around 20 years ago, emails revealing a close post-conviction friendship (including Mandelson calling Epstein's 2008 plea deal wrongful), and compromising images like one of Mandelson in underwear with an unidentified woman.

Resignations and Investigations

Mandelson resigned from the Labour Party on February 1, 2026, citing embarrassment from the allegations, which he denies recalling or recording. He was sacked as UK US Ambassador in September 2025 by Keir Starmer after initial emails surfaced; Starmer later admitted vetting flagged the Epstein link but claimed Mandelson lied about its extent. The Metropolitan Police launched a criminal probe on February 3 into claims he leaked market-sensitive info to Epstein, urging delays on document releases to protect evidence.

Political Fallout

Starmer removed Mandelson from the Privy Council with the King's approval, calling his actions a betrayal; Conservatives demand a full inquiry into the appointment. Ministers like Steve Reed urge Mandelson to testify to US Congress, while Transparency International calls for an EU-level probe into his European Commission tenure. Wikipedia notes unverified claims like Mandelson revealing a secret Downing Street tunnel.


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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
04 Feb 2026, 23:29
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04 Feb 2026, 23:29#15

This will probably be the end of Starmer. Major error of judgement on his part bringing the "the Prince of Darkness" back into the fold.

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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
04 Feb 2026, 23:39
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04 Feb 2026, 23:39#16

I'm not sure anyone will miss Starmer but tell us, Stav, what are the alternatives?

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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
04 Feb 2026, 23:46
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04 Feb 2026, 23:46#17

Everything I read or hear tells me that Nigel Farage is almost certain to be the next British PM. Will you wish for Starmer then?

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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
04 Feb 2026, 23:58
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04 Feb 2026, 23:58#18

Just to add, if the pendulum does swing all the way from Labour to the far right, and Conservative Britons ask themselves why the Conservative Party was bypassed in such a massive swing, they only need look at their own government between 2010 and 2022.

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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
05 Feb 2026, 00:16
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05 Feb 2026, 00:16#19

I'm not sure anyone will miss Starmer but tell us, Stav, what are the alternatives?


Andy Burham was the obvious and most popular choice but he was recently just blocked by Starmer/McSweeney from running to becoming a Labour MP in an effort to cut off the threat to Starmer's leadership. Another stupid mistake on their part. I'd say if Starmer goes Angela Rayner will brought back, she was popular and seemingly effective before her resignation. Yes she resigned over an issue of underpaying £40,000 in stamp duty but considering the arm chair ride Farage has been given by the right wing media in the UK (i.e the bulk of the media in the UK) over his various financial scandals over the year including the more recent dodginess surrounding his second home in Clacton, I don't think either Reform or the Tories can attempt to take the high ground on that matter.


Everything I read or hear tells me that Nigel Farage is almost certain to be the next British PM. Will you wish for Starmer then?


Oh yes I take Starmer 100 times over Farage any day of the week, but its far from certain he's going to be the next PM. He's the favourite sure, but I suspect in the next two years in the run up to the next election as the press are sort of forced to scrutinize him more and it becomes apparent the councils run by Reform have been shambolic Reform's popularity will drop. Labour under new leadership could see a resurgence as well.


If Farage does become PM then the UK will get what it deserves, its already been conned by him once.


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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
05 Feb 2026, 00:18
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05 Feb 2026, 00:18#20

Thanks Stav. Nice to get a real answer for once.

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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
05 Feb 2026, 00:20
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05 Feb 2026, 00:20#21

Conservative Britons ask themselves why the Conservative Party was bypassed in such a massive swing, they only need look at their own government between 2010 and 2022.


Reform is mostly the Tory party 2.0 with all the defections too it from the Tories. Pretty much all of them were on the extreme right of the Tories.



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sharkbokCaptain20,097 posts
05 Feb 2026, 00:20
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05 Feb 2026, 00:20#22

Labour seems very limited of options. Starmer just blocked the Andy Burnham, the King of North from taking a parliamentary position - and he seems to be the strongest candidate.


Labour have lost the working class under Starmer, but Burnham may have brought some of this support back.

Angela Rayner might be back soon, after her mortgage fraud sit out. She seems ok, but not sure she has the brains. Farage is leading, particularly in the North of England.

I am sure that Farage would be the worst prime minister of the UK ever, at least in modern times.


Illegal/Mass immigration is a problem, and much of the public don't trust the mainstream parties to fix this.

The other issue is tax increases by Labour, but some of this may have been unavoidable.


Regional Comparison

PartyNorth (%)South (%)Reform UK31-3522Labour17-2218Conservatives19-2121-23Greens7-1212


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sharkbokCaptain20,097 posts
05 Feb 2026, 01:00
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05 Feb 2026, 01:00#23

If Mandelson does go to jail, at least he does not have to worry about dropping the soap.

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becsPro4,378 posts
05 Feb 2026, 16:22
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05 Feb 2026, 16:22#24

God help us if Rayner gets the job. She would be as bad as Starmer.

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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
05 Feb 2026, 17:19
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05 Feb 2026, 17:19#25

From what I saw of Rayner which admittedly wasn't a whole lot, she seemed alright. Had a bit more personality than Starmer but that's a low bar to clear.

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sharkbokCaptain20,097 posts
05 Feb 2026, 17:39
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05 Feb 2026, 17:39#26

Yes, Starmer would have been more suited as a funeral director than PM.

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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
05 Feb 2026, 18:08
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05 Feb 2026, 18:08#27

I think Starmer is fundamentally a decent man, but in addition to being as boring as heck, he comes across as very naive with virtually no political instincts and seems little more than a hapless punching bag as Labour lurch from one self inflicted crisis to another.



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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
05 Feb 2026, 18:32
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05 Feb 2026, 18:32#28

"I think Starmer is fundamentally a decent man, but in addition to being as boring as heck, he comes across as very naive with virtually no political instincts and seems little more than a hapless punching bag as Labour lurch from one self inflicted crisis to another."


Nice description, but in fairness, you could change the word "Labour" to "Tory" and be describing any of his predecessors. Boris wasn't boring though. I'll give him that.

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becsPro4,378 posts
05 Feb 2026, 18:35
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05 Feb 2026, 18:35#29

The man is an idiot. And if he really is that clueless, should never have ascended to such a high station.

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sharkbokCaptain20,097 posts
05 Feb 2026, 18:49
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05 Feb 2026, 18:49#30

Stammering Starmer is on his last legs with his "um's" and "er's".

As it is, no one really knows what Starmer stands for. One moment he seems liberal, then the next he is a conservative Knight searching for the holy grail.


He has gone back on what he said he would not do. Or not done anything he said he was going to do.

Will he finish what he started, or will he not start at all?

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becsPro4,378 posts
05 Feb 2026, 19:07
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05 Feb 2026, 19:07#31

He’s a Marxist. Plain and simple.

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
05 Feb 2026, 19:57
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05 Feb 2026, 19:57#32

"Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, weak men create hard times"

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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
05 Feb 2026, 21:14
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05 Feb 2026, 21:14#33

Nice description, but in fairness, you could change the word "Labour" to "Tory" and be describing any of his predecessors. Boris wasn't boring though. I'll give him that.


No I disagree


Cameron and May were actually politicians, as in they tried to act like politicians but Cameron was dodgy in terms of his financial dealings and it was his disastrous miscalculation that lead to Brexit.


May a Remainer decided the best way to implement Brexit was to give the Brexiteers in her party the job of implementing Brexit, so she filled out her cabinet with an assortment of Brexiteers, most of whom were incompetent and all had different idea's on how Brexit should be implemented. That combined with the reality (to May's credit at least to which she was aware of) of trying to negotiate departure terms with the EU meant she was an impossible position of trying to put a square peg into a round hole, hence she couldn't get Brexit done and the longer it dragged the weaker and weaker she became as the lunatics took over the asylum.


Johnson on other hand was absolute clown, an incompetent corrupt buffoon. Completely amoral and totally out for himself he would just lie over and over to get out of whatever scrape he was currently in even if the lie would only get him through to the following day were he would just lie again. The only thing had had going for him was his personality which some people found endearing for some reason, he was even able to spoof his way into getting May's Brexit's deal repackage as his own and then getting it through parliament. He also had the ability to see which way the crowd was headed, then would run in front of them and shout follow me. But eventually his bullshit caught up with him. The Emperor had no clothes.


Liz Struss was just a nutter, who's batshit economic policies nearly tanked the UK economy before she was forced to resign. Now considered a joke by most people you can see her more to ever more extreme and fringe positions in a desperate attempt to stay relevant. Again totally self serving.


Sunak. He's the most like Starmer, an aloof and somewhat inoffensive but ultimately a crap politician. Too be honest I don't think Sunak was ever too bothered about being PM, he was already super rich and just wanted PM on his résumé to enhance his business prospects after he got out of politics. Too be fair by the time Sunak took the reigns the Tory party was already resigned to losing the election after the damage done by Johnson and Truss. He gave the impression he didn't care one way or another and was just filling in time.


The man is an idiot. And if he really is that clueless, should never have ascended to such a high station.


He's not, giving his career to date he's probably highly intelligent. You don't become director of Public Prosecutions by being an idiot. But intelligence comes in different forms, and he's certainly politically stupid. His biggest issue is the bad advice he's getting from Morgan McSweeney who was supposedly a very skilled campaign organiser but absolutely atrocious in the role of chief adviser to the PM. They call him the power behind the throne but also the idiot behind the throne. He needed him gone long ago, but it's likely too late now.


As it is, no one really knows what Starmer stands for. One moment he seems liberal, then the next he is a conservative Knight searching for the holy grail.


Well he doesn't seem to have an sort of overarching vision that he can articulate to the public. But I don't think his political leanings are obtuse. He's soft left. The problem is the right wing in the UK will label him as radical left, and the radical left label him as right wing. They just shout the loudest.


He has gone back on what he said he would not do. Or not done anything he said he was going to do.


Partially accurate. There certainly has been u-turns but Labour have implemented some of their plan policies, the problem is some of it will take a while to be noticeable and the the meantime Labour are absolutely crap at communicating with the public what policies they have or are in the process of implementing.


He’s a Marxist. Plain and simple.


LOL, you clearly have no understanding of the meaning of the term.

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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
06 Feb 2026, 00:17
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06 Feb 2026, 00:17#34

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
06 Feb 2026, 06:36
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06 Feb 2026, 06:36#35

Starmer is weak and shouldn't be a leader of anything close as important as the UK government...how the Empire has fallen.

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Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
06 Feb 2026, 08:33
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06 Feb 2026, 08:33#36

Starmer is weak and shouldn't be a leader of anything close as important as the UK government...how the Empire has fallen

Spot on

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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
06 Feb 2026, 12:00
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06 Feb 2026, 12:00#37

The Empire had fallen long before Starmer.


Starmer ended up as PM by fortune of timing, he was leader of the main opposition party at the time the Tory party imploded. It was more to do with Tory incompetence than any great leadership ability on Starmers part.


If he was to resign over Mandelson, he will end up no more than a footnote in history, viewed as an ineffective PM who didn't do anything notably good or bad,


Still a damn sight better than Johnson or Truss and if Farage becomes PM people will suddenly realise the grass isn't always greener on the other side.

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Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
06 Feb 2026, 12:14
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06 Feb 2026, 12:14#38

I think Farage could do better, but one never really knows until they get that position

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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
06 Feb 2026, 13:13
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06 Feb 2026, 13:13#39

Farage is the man most responsible for the political decision that some analysts estimate is costing the UK up to £90 billion a year.


He's a grifter, running a clown show. Reform couldn't even get all their MP's to vote the right way on the vote to abolish the two child limit on universal credit and there was literally only 7 of them voting. Still it's an improvement over one of their earlier escapades in the commons when there was just 5 of them in the Common's and they botched up a standard procedure when one of them forget the other Reform MP's names.


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sharkbokCaptain20,097 posts
06 Feb 2026, 15:21
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06 Feb 2026, 15:21#40

Farafe is like Trump - most of his supporters are below average IQ.


The left-wing parties have supporters of a higher average IQ in the UK - not because Independents are more left-wing - but because they see left-wing governments as less corrupt (the emphasis is on "less")

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