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Putin Previews latest Nuclear Bomb - Satan version2

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
27 Sept 2024, 17:00
#41
27 Sept 2024, 17:00#41

W here did you get from Stav.   Trump has alays eben frm on deaings woth Russia and Putin said it si difficult to negotiate anything wth Trump because eh always put the iterests of the USA first.   Trump would nt saboage negotations like Biden did.    It is not in te nterests of the USA to put Democray frst somethng the DP has already abandoned and he would insists that Ukraine get a new Constitution foUkraine and made sure i is approved by the ukraine voters in a refernendum.

The 1991 Constitution was thrown out by the US Government in 2015 and subsequentlly would not allow US cmpanies like Black Rock to strip Ukrainins of their country - like Bden announced a year ago.

Black Rock and the C IA has interests in a US subsidiary of Black Rock funded by the company and known as the United Ukraine Force.   What si weird is that the two people did promotion work for the UFF and ended up trying  to assassinate  Trump.   The seocond parson jobless ad with no money went from Hawai to Ukraine - were he stayed for months and from their went to Iran, Pakistan and Thailand offeing voluteers $1 250 dollars per mont.  

When he ent back to Hawai he ad no moneys still - but flew from there to North Carolina  to Florida where the assassination was supposed to take place.   

This is being investigated with major suspicions Black Rock and the CIA had anvolvement i botha tempts,   It is being imvestigatd by the Congres and there are numbers of questions  to answer.  However invesigation by the Florida Police the statement was trhat it was an organized attempt to kill Trump and not  voluntary effort by the accused in this case.   It wil take time to find ut what happened - what is clear the CIA - the FBI and Justice Departmeent will be cleared up to stop abuse of the human rights of people.   

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
27 Sept 2024, 17:52
#42
27 Sept 2024, 17:52#42

"You do understand Zelensky already met and spoke to Biden and Harris and also wanted to meet Trump because either him or Harris will be the next US President."

Of course I do...he's covering his bases.


"If Trump win in November his plan to end the Ukraine war is to force Ukraine to concede territory to Russia under threat of cutting off military aid if they don't. This is why Zelenskyy wants to meet him, so he can try to convince Trump to change his mind."


And you know this how? We'll see.

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sharkbokCaptain23,196 posts
27 Sept 2024, 18:53
#43
27 Sept 2024, 18:53#43

It is such a difficult situation. With nuclear bombs, everyone has feared this day. 

On one side if you back down to a bully, they will do it again.
If you stand up to them, you risk losing everything.

No matter how many times I think it through, I feel the logical course of action is to give Ukraine long-range weapons.

The UK have nuclear deterrent submarines. The instructions are to hit Moscow if Putin nukes the UK. 

This will come to a head after the US elections. If Trump wins, Ukraine will cede land. If Harris wins, long-range weapons will be approved.


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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
27 Sept 2024, 19:12
#44
27 Sept 2024, 19:12#44

And you know this how? We'll see.

From various interviews he's made and what Vance said recently.

Basically Trumps plan is that Zelenskyy has to make a deal and that's basically to give up the territory Russia has already occupied because if he doesn't he will cut off American military aid to Ukraine. He will tell Putin he has to accept this deal and end the fighting because if he doesn't he will greatly increase military aid to Ukraine.

The UK have nuclear deterrent submarines. They instructions are to hit Moscow if Putin Nukes the UK.

Indeed for all Russia's sabre rattling about destroying the UK in a hail of nuclear missiles or creating a giant tidal wave to wipe it out, the UK has submarines with nuclear missiles of which at least 2 are at sea at all times and unless Russia can locate and take them out the UK has the ability to level Russia's major cities with own nukes if it was ever the victim of a nuclear attack. France also has that capability as well. Never mind what the US would do in response.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
27 Sept 2024, 19:20
#45
27 Sept 2024, 19:20#45

The poor UK army - how many fighting soldiers permenantly employed by the UK got?

The UK submaines is 40 plus years old and so are the rockets to be used,

By the way lonmg distance missiles indicate direct involvment in a war the US  Government and surrogates in Ukraine are fightig against Russia,   

The world is according to a Advisory Committe appointed by the US Government  in 2017 the world is staggering to a new WW.   Why is that happeening?   Because the ruler of the USA see the war as a means to destroy Russia for their own benefit.   So they do not negotiate because there is nothing  they can offer othe than bribery and corruption.    .       

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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
27 Sept 2024, 19:40
#46
27 Sept 2024, 19:40#46

The poor UK army - how many fighting soldiers permenantly employed by the UK got?

More than you have braincells.

The UK submaines is 40 plus years old and so are the rockets to be used,

Do the UK rockets explode on their launch pads like Russian rockets do?

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
27 Sept 2024, 19:43
#47
27 Sept 2024, 19:43#47

"Basically Trumps plan is that Zelenskyy has to make a deal and that's basically to give up the territory Russia has already occupied because if he doesn't he will cut off American military aid to Ukraine"

Horse manure...show me the video where he says that or concede that you were parroting anti Trump propaganda.

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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
27 Sept 2024, 19:51
#48
27 Sept 2024, 19:51#48

Horse manure...show me the video where he says that or concede that you were parroting anti Trump propaganda.

To quote Fox News who quote Trump.

"I know Zelenskyy very well, and I know Putin very well, even better. And I had a good relationship, very good with both of them. I would tell Zelenskyy, no more. You got to make a deal. I would tell Putin, if you don't make a deal, we're going to give him a lot. We're going to [give Ukraine] more than they ever got if we have to. I will have the deal done in one day. One day," Trump responded.

To quote Newsweek about Vances comments.

"I think what this looks like is Trump sits down, he says to the Russians, the Ukrainians, the Europeans: 'You guys need to figure out. What does a peaceful settlement look like?' And what it probably looks like is the current line of demarcation between Russia and Ukraine, that becomes like a demilitarized zone," he told the Shawn Ryan Show podcast in an episode released Wednesday.

Vance didn't specify exactly where he thinks the demilitarized zone should be, but said it would be "heavily fortified so the Russians don't invade again."

"Ukraine retains its independent sovereignty, Russia gets the guarantee of neutrality from Ukraine—it doesn't join NATO, it doesn't join some of these allied institutions. That is what the deal is ultimately going to look something like," he said.

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
27 Sept 2024, 20:39
#49
27 Sept 2024, 20:39#49

Ja ja, where did he say what the deal should be and that Ukraine  must surrender territory?

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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
27 Sept 2024, 22:07
#51
27 Sept 2024, 22:07#51

Put two and two together Draad. 



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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
27 Sept 2024, 22:52
#52
27 Sept 2024, 22:52#52

 Stac 

you pu 2 anxd 2 togehe and get 6 bsed on B S you not prove,  

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
28 Sept 2024, 02:04
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28 Sept 2024, 02:04#53
He didn’t have to say that….Putin is never giving back the Ukranian territory currently occupied. Any peace agreement will have to accept that, or Ukraine has to fight on.
That’s a decision for the Ukranian people to make and for the world to respect, given the sacrifices they have already made. Implying there is a simple solution available without Ukraine accepting the Russian land grab is naive.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
28 Sept 2024, 04:53
#54
28 Sept 2024, 04:53#54

Back to the main BS spreader S B

"In the devastated city of Mariupol, a Ukrainian commander in the besieged Azovstal steel plant issued a desperate plea for help, saying his marines were "maybe facing our last days, if not hours". 

There is just one issue that SB either does not know about the issue of Mariopol.   In 2015 the Asov battalion  took over Mariopol by using human shields - especially women and children,   As a result of a UN investigaion as well  one in Odessa (wheee the batalion murdered thousands of workers)    and coneqiently declared the Asov battalion a terroist and mercenary  organization.   

The US Goverrnment had a problem  - so the  Asov Battalion was incorporated into the Ukraine army with their own command structure - but is still a mercenary and terrorist organization.   The defenders of Mariopol against the Russian and fought desperately to  the last to protect themsleves - since they knew that if surrendering to the Russians they would not be treated as POW's - but as criminals who committed murder of women and children.    When he Russians attacked Mariopol iniially hey did he same and used women and children as human shields - so the Ukrane rmy were allowed by he Russans to withdraw from Mariopol and the  Asov Battalion ended up in the factory from which that video came.    

In the end even the USDF admitted the Asov Battalion was guilty of war crimes - but would not act against them.    So the battalon hold-outs in the end surrendered and 5 of them were found to be ISIS members recruited in Turkey by the Battalion and Russia sent them to Turkey - who did not wat them either and returned them to Ukraine - where they were welcomed personally by Zelenskyy.    

What happened to the rest of the war crime criminals nobody knows - they were never exchanged as POW's arranged from time to time and were probably executed  as criminals - which is exactly in terms of the UN decision on the battalion they were,    Weird how interntional criminals are painted as heroes by SB - twisted as such by the  media.   Hope the Russians killed them as proven murderers of thousands of innocent civillians.

Keep on posting media propaganda shit on anything the media tells you to believe.   It is really easy to show how tragic the situation really is.    In the end the Russians moved over 3 million women and children out of Eastern Ukraine to safety in Russia,    The war criminals from the Battalion should be killed and not used as heroes.     

 

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
28 Sept 2024, 05:02
#55
28 Sept 2024, 05:02#55

Mozart

"He didn’t have to say that….Putin is never giving back the Ukranian territory currently occupied. Any peace agreement will have to accept that, or Ukraine has to fight on.


That’s a decision for the Ukranian people to make and for the world to respect, given the sacrifices they have already made. Implying there is a simple solution available without Ukraine accepting the Russian land grab is naive."
Please provide any proof that BS if you have any,    No media BS from the Guardian, the WSJ and NYT is evidence,     \
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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
28 Sept 2024, 07:40
#56
28 Sept 2024, 07:40#56

Another war crime ......... genocide & child kidnapping*. The list goes on & on.

* moving them to safety se gat. Shame on you.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
28 Sept 2024, 10:59
#57
28 Sept 2024, 10:59#57

No Braindead Bob

The parents of Russia  Spaking people sent their children to Russia for education purposes when the Ukraine Government banned teaching of Russians in schools and use Russian for eachig children in schools - so the Ukraine Government claimed the children was sent to Riussia resulted from child kidnnapping and nothing  bar propaganda BS was used by the Ukraine proxy Governmnt was ever proved.   What really happened is disproval of  Ukraine and USA propaganda lies, .   

The UN also found that the Asov Battalion used women and children as human shoelds when they attacked Mariopol in 2015 and listed the Battalion as a  mercenary and terrorist organization.  They did it again when the Russians attacked Mariopol and it is admitted after further investigations and the fact is the Russians sent 3,5 million women and children for safety purposes to Russia,    The latter was never denied by anybody - so you are suiffering again from BS brain-washing sickness.

In those areas where the Ukraine Government is still controlling it was found by an international welfare organiztion trying to get children out of the warzone the parents tried to hide their children to prevent them being put in unform and sent to the warfront as child soldiers where their life-expectancy was less than a day.   That came from represntatives of a recognized international organization - who claimed the parents hid their children - although they did not mention why parents tried to hide their children - although it is the actual reason for hiding of the children.       

By the way even the USDF admitte that the asov Battalion committed war crimes in Ukraine - but the US Government did nothng about it,   Just a bit of factchecking would have clarified the issue,    

       

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
28 Sept 2024, 18:44
#58
28 Sept 2024, 18:44#58

Would a direct quote of Putin be evidence? 

Speaking to a meeting of Russian ambassadors in Moscow on Friday, Mr Putin called on the Ukrainian government to withdraw from four regions partially occupied by Russia - Donetsk, Luhansk, Kherson and Zaporizhzhia.

He also said Ukraine would need to officially give up in its efforts to join the Nato military alliance for the Russian advance to be halted.

Mr Putin said: "As soon as Kyiv declares that it is ready for such a decision... an order to cease fire and begin negotiations will immediately follow from our side, literally at the same minute."





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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
29 Sept 2024, 09:00
#59
29 Sept 2024, 09:00#59

Wh at Putin said ahd no bearing  on the issue - waht si clear that Crimea would eb non-negotible as 95% of the people in the Crimea - who had their on Parlaiment in terms of the 1991 Ukraine Constitution to govern the area locally do not want ever to be part of Ukraine again.

Te Minsk agreement between  Ukrane and Russia of  2015 and resigned in February 2022 were the absis o which Russia will negotiate - but cannot negotiate s long as he USA wante the war to go on.   The sabotage of the 2022 agremnt was soabotaged by the US - as well as the efforts made by the Turkish Goverment to arreang ca ceasire in April 290022 were both sabotaged by the US Government,   

At present the Ukraine has no constitution and the Government installed by the USA is nothing bar a proxy dictatorship fully controlled by the USA  - an exaple is the further destruction of even a remotely demcratic regime in Ukraine on a constitutional basis has never been supported by te USA.   Matter of fact the Ukraine Government was told to postpone the Presidential election in Ukraie indefinitely.

Wha relly is a crime a gainst humanity undermining negotiation that would ahve establsished a federal government constitution system in Ukraine through negoiations was what the USA regime in Wshington never wanted.    An example - in is election campaign Zelenskyy promisd he would end the Civil War in Eastern Ukraine through negotiations and the USA told him nt to try anything they do not approve of.   That message was cnveyed to him within month when that great and hoest Senator Menendez visited him a moth after his iauguration,   He soon lerned he had really no por on anything,   He even had to fire hs army cmmander in Eastern Ukrane because 70% of the arms supply by the USA ended up on the armament black market and that impled that te commander would ot take isntructions from Washington  as to conduct of the War and ws in tehw ay of the USA  when t cam to the war, 

As to joining of NATO it was always total BS  and had been the reason why the USA wanted to control Ukraine as an attack on Russia and getting  hold of the Russan naval facilites  in the Crimea,   Ukraine agreed twice not to join NATO and sgned areements as to tha end - but the USA undermned both agrements on that one.   The USA are supporting a war where milions fo people fled from and hundreds f thousands of people were killed because of a believe that Russia would collapse and surender to become controlled by the USA Government.   That deam of the ultralefitst regime in the USA will neve happen anyway,   The Russians will never accept the Woke culture and attacks on religion now pevailing in the USA,   

              

Stop spouting BS on site based on media reports and stc to facts as well.   I think that Zelenskyy sincerely hope that the shit in Washigton will end if Trump is re-elected as President,    .    .

  

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