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Quick poll….would you rather live in Russia, China, Iran or the USA

Started by Mozart46 REPLIES1,080 VIEWS· 08 Mar 2023, 02:01
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SebPro2,680 posts
15 Mar 2023, 17:46
#41
15 Mar 2023, 17:46#41

Funny how low breeds, one who grew up in Woodstock, Cape Town and the other from The Bluff in Durban and the other from the cesspool of Jo'burg are experts of countries that they have not the foggiest about.

Full of hatred caused by the result of prejudice and lies that are spread by certain media with evil agendas.

Parts of Iran and China are beautiful, depends where you go.

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
15 Mar 2023, 17:57
#42
15 Mar 2023, 17:57#42

I thought Christianity disavows the concept of low lives….want to rephrase Chabal.

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SebPro2,680 posts
15 Mar 2023, 18:14
#43
15 Mar 2023, 18:14#43

Maybe let me clarify, all 3 have insulted and abused the sacredness of the family...including I gather yours as well.

That is unbelievably low.

Because of my family connection to Russia, we both have been victims of Russophobia which is extreme racism, apart from these verbal (written) attacks, I have had my car tyres slashed and the other day whilst visiting a restaurant someone using a screw driver or something similar scratched the paint work of my vehicle.

What scares me is my reaction to some low life who I caught at it...I would end up in gaol for manslaughter.


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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
15 Mar 2023, 19:16
#44
15 Mar 2023, 19:16#44

I am not an expert because I visited Russia - but I have read about Russia extensively because it has such an interesting history.    It started many years ago when I went and saw a movie by the name of War and Peace based on the novel written by Tolstoy.   For me it created an image of a country which was mysteriously different to what I generally heard on radio or read in the press.

I also was intensely interested in the 1956 revolt in Hungary suppressed by the Russian Army and developed a hatred for communism as a result.   On studying the history and especially the fall of Communism in Eastern Europe one has to go back to the sell-out of Eastern Europe to Stalin by the Allies resulting in the most oppressive regimes in modern history.   I was also very interested in the fall of Communism in Eastern Europe as it is briefly reflected in the following from Wikipedia:-

"The Pan-European Picnic (GermanPaneuropäisches PicknickHungarianpáneurópai piknikSlovakPaneurópsky piknik) was a peace demonstration held on the Austrian-Hungarian border near Sopron, Hungary on 19 August 1989. The opening of the border gate between Austria and Hungary at the Pan-European Picnic turned out to be another initiative of a widely building peaceful chain reaction, at the end of which Germany reunified, the Iron Curtain fell apart, and the Eastern Bloc disintegrated. The communist governments and the Warsaw Pact subsequently dissolved, ending the Cold War. As a result, this dissolution also led to the disintegration of the Soviet Union"

Most people think that Russia is still a communist dictatorship - which it is not.   It has a Constitution that forbids dictatorial rule.    Initially it banned the functioning of the  Russian Communist Party - but that and was lifted by a Russian Court as being undemocratic.     It was the reason why I wanted to visited Russia - how can a country that was once considered as a cosmopolitan country with a cultural history become a cruel Communist dictatorship.   What I found on my visit to Russia was that  Russians hated and feared the Communist regime - but they also believe that the October 1917 regime change was funded by the ultra-rich in the USA who saw it as a means of enriching themselves.    Access to mineral resources was what the Rich Americans were interested in.     

Do you know that to date mass graves of people murdered by the State are still being discovered  all over what is today Russia.    The Russians fiercely resisted the invasion by Germany in WW2 and that was nothing new - they did the same with Napoleons invasion of Russia in 1812 - which was fore-shadowing the fall of Napoleon from power.    It was not the Allies that really won WW2 in Europe - it was the Russians and the Russian winter that destroyed the German ability to keep fighting longer than they actually did.    The  Allies made a huge historic mistake by allowing the Russian Communist Regime to conquer Eastern Europe and imposed inhuman Communist Regimes in Eastern Europe.

So what about Ukraine?    In the 13th century there were no country called Ukraine in Europe.   The fall of Kiev to the Mongolians let to the destruction of the Principality of Galicia.  Since then the part known as Eastern Ukraine was basically ruled by  the Muslim Sultanate of Crimea - a subsidiary of the Ottoman Empire and was largely de-populated with the only population being nomads constantly moving to pevent them to be sold into slavery.   After the Golden Hoard collapsed in the 15th century Western Ukraine became part of the Polish Lithuanian Confederation until the 1770's.    It was under Catherine the Great that what was Poland was incorporated into the Holy Roman Empire, the Kingdom of Prussia (Silesia and Eastern Prussia Konigsberg) the main part of Poland and Lithuania into Russia.    Catherine the Great  also destroyed the Sultanate of Crimea and introduced the usage of the name Ukraine for the new part of the Russian Empire.      Her first move was to move people in the main from Russia into the de-populated area of Eastern Ukraine and both Crimea and Eastern Ukraine became totally Russified and established a number of cities in what later became part of Ukraine..   

In 1917 and 1918  there was an effort to establish an independent country called Ukraine - but the effort fizzled out and the Russian Communist Regime incorporated the Western Part of Ukraine as a Republic being part of the USSR.   That situation in fact was there never was an independent country called Ukraine ever in the history of Europe.   The situation was also influenced by the decision of the Communist Regime to include areas never part of Ukraine since the 1770's into the Soviet Republic of Ukraine.   The reason for that move was that many Ukrainians sided with the Germans  in WW2 and fought against the Russians.   They decided to incorporate  parts of Russia into Ukraine so as to ensure that the Russians would effectively be in control of the Soviet Republic of Ukraine.

When the Soviet Union  was dissolved in 1991 the Republic of Ukraine as an independent country came into being for the first time.    It was decided by referendum that a democratic constitution guaranteeing the human rights of all people be guaranteed  and the people in Eastern Ukraine supported the concept.    The problem started  in 2013 when in the last democratic election in terms of the Ukraine constitution was held and with the support of the Russian Speaking Eastern Ukraine and moderate elements in Western Ukraine a President was elected.    More reactionary Ukrainians in Western Ukraine started demonstrations against the new President and the USA Government saw an opportunity to gain a vassal state in Ukraine.    Ukraine by 2013 was the most corrupt country in Europe and many prominent American Politicians like Trump's initial campaign manager in 2016  - Manaford -  and Clinton's Campaign Manager in 2016 Podesta were typical examples of politicians across US Party lines who co-operated to gain money from Ukraine corruption.   The most prominent examples were the involvement of the Biden, Pelosi and Schiff crime families in Ukraine.   Be it as it may the Obama Administration funded a coup in Ukraine in February 2014 and as per a statement by the Obama Assistant Secretary of State decided on who should be the interim President  and cabinet of Ukraine - in other words a vassal state of the USA.    The coup represented the destruction of the Ukraine Constitution and as a result of that the Crimea - which in terms of the 1991 Constitution had their own Parliament with a 85% Russian speaking and 10% Tartar speaking population decided to apply to become part of Russia and secede from the Ukraine - subject to a referendum on the issue.   In fact the Crimea - which only became part of Ukraine in 1953 - voted by 95% to get united with Russia.   A number of opinion  polls conducted  by USA and German Pollsters  found subsequently that 96% of the Crimea population would have nothing to do with the present Ukraine at all.   This type of approach was confirmed by recent interviews by NBC .

I am not supporting Putin or Russia - I support a real constitutional Ukraine with its 2015 border and guaranteeing protection of all residents in terms of a democratic constitution  as provided for in the Minsk agreement - in other words an independent country of Ukraine within the 2015 borders.    I do not support the present Dictatorship in Ukraine at all  - a one party state that banned functioning of all opposition parties in Ukraine.   Peaceful settlement is what is needed  - but that is totally unacceptable to the USA.

      

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MoonroverPro1,973 posts
15 Mar 2023, 19:27
#45
15 Mar 2023, 19:27#45

I take it the one fro m the Bluff is Snarkie.

They now identify as neo nazi's supporting a comedian Zelensky...lovely bunch.
Nothing apart from the odd sporting commentary is interesting from them.
Atheists are like that.....the hate is deep from within them and has nothing to do with God.


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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
15 Mar 2023, 19:41
#46
15 Mar 2023, 19:41#46

Mozart

Childishness is your own problem not mine - you make personal attacks on people you know nothing about.    I never supported the National Party and voted for the Democratic Party in the 1980's.  I was brought up on a civilized basis by my parents in the true Cape Afrikaans tradition to treat people like human beings and my parents never supported the more extreme policies of the apartheid regime.   They in fact ensured that the farm workers children would get educated so as not to keep them as laborers - a number of them became professionals and business people as a result.   For myself my relationship with the NATS became poorer in the early 1980's and became so bad that I was put on pension by them in 1984 and is still a public servant pension beneficiary.   So your first accusation is BS.

My efforts to enhance the well-being of the extreme poor became part of my process to enhance opportunities for the poor.   I was involved in many projects like Housing Development and educational and sport facility development in what became the KwaDukuza Municipality.   I found it easier to get money out of the ANC Government by co-operating with that Party - but I never voted once for the ANC.    One of my most notable achievements was the Construction of the Albert Luthuli center in Groutville which is now part of the Empangeni  Technical College.   Second allegation is BS again.

The third one is ridiculous as well.   I do not support the political corruption in the USA that benefit from the Ukraine War and am in favor of peace in Ukraine.  I do not support Russia and have no wish to live in Moscow.    So try again  childish BSter - your remarks are chro nically idiotic.                

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
15 Mar 2023, 19:55
#47
15 Mar 2023, 19:55#47

Stav

As for Russia. Again I'd never want to live in such a country but I wouldn't mind visiting St. Petersburg for a day off a cruise ship, but I guess that isn't going to be on the cards for some time.

Let me suggest something to you - when normality returns fly to Moscow and take a cruise ship operating between Moscow and St Petersburg.   I advised a friend and his wife about that one and they came back and said it was the best holiday cruise they ever took.

I did not know that Russia banned the teaching of Ukraine in schools in Eastern Ukraine.   Can you please confirm that and give me references on that issue.   I obviously would oppose it.   I doubt whether that is the case in areas already part of Russia - Russia is a huge country with many languages being spoken in it.  Language education is not banned in Russia.      

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