RIP

 Sinéad O’Connor, dies at 56

Sad news. Poor girl was talented but had her issues. RIP.

Not easy to lose a child...but she had other kids to live for...

It always, even more than tragic when any body dies, whether famous or not. It is glib to say RIP when you truthfully don't know them. The gospel tells us without belief and Christ's saving grace every person is doomed to an eternity without God. I've heard too many RIP from pagans and God haters and rejectors. I cannot play along with it, simply because I don't know them and cannot see deeper than mankinds appraisals, so nobody can judge.

Say to them, ‘As I live,’ says the Lord GOD, ‘I take no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but rather that the wicked turn from his way and live. Turn back (change your way of thinking), turn back [in repentance] from your evil ways! For why should you die, O house of Israel?’

John 5:21–25

For as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, so also the Son gives life to whom he will. For the Father judges no one, but has given all judgment to the Son, that all may honor the Son, just as they honor the Father. Whoever does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent him. Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.

Truly, truly, I say to you, an hour is coming, and is now here, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God, and those who hear will live. Read More

The Father shows to Jesus all that he himself is doing—i.e., Jesus perceives God’s hand and purpose in every event in this world. The greater works are initially the raising of the dead (John 11:1–45). Even more, they include Jesus’ own death and resurrection (John 18–20), then the voice of this same Jesus summoning all mankind to final resurrection and judgment (John 5:27–30).

Jesus’ statement that the Son also gives life to whom he will is another claim to deity, showing that Jesus does what only God can do, for the Old Testament makes clear that raising the dead and giving life are the sole prerogatives of God (cf. Deut. 32:39; 1 Sam. 2:6; 2 Kings 5:7). This “life” is both the new “life” now given to believers (John 5:24; 11:25–26; 2 Cor. 5:17) and the resurrection of the body at Christ’s second coming (1 Cor. 15:42–57; 1 Thess. 4:13–18; see Dan. 12:2).

Jesus’ assertion that the Father . . . has given all judgment to the Son is yet another claim to deity, since judgment is the exclusive prerogative of God (e.g., Gen. 18:25; Judg. 11:27). The Father has delegated the work of final judgment to the Son.

The statement that all may honor the Son, just as they honor the Father in effect establishes Jesus’ right to be worshiped and also amounts to a claim to deity. Whoever does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent him shows that religions such as Judaism and Islam that consider Jesus merely a great prophet do not represent the truth about God, because they fail to worship and honor Jesus.

Has eternal life is one of the most striking statements in John regarding the present possession of eternal life. Eternal life begins immediately, in a partially realized but significant way, when one believes in Jesus. Those who believe can face the last judgment with confidence (cf. 1 John 5:11–13).

Chat GPT Saracstc tone,

Buckle up, folks! We've got a real philosopher over here, dropping some wisdom on us about death and stuff. So, like, apparently, it's even more tragic than TRAGIC when ANYBODY dies, famous or not. Can you feel the drama in the air? I sure can!

But wait, hold your condolences, because apparently, saying RIP when you don't know the person is just too glib for this philosopher's taste. Can't be throwing around those three letters carelessly, people! It's a sacred ritual, you know?

According to the gospel of "Believe in Jesus or Else," we've got some bad news for all you non-believers out there. Without that sweet, sweet Christ's saving grace, you're doomed! Say goodbye to partying in paradise because it's eternity without God for you!

Oh, but the best part is yet to come. This philosopher has had enough of those RIP wishes from pagans, God-haters , and rejectors (ouch, harsh much?). Like, how dare they offer their condolences when they don't even know the person, right? The nerve of some people!

And guess what? This philosopher is way too cool to play along with all that RIP business. No sir, they don't know them, they can't see deeper than mankind's appraisals, so nobody can judge! You heard it here first, folks, judgment-free zone!

So there you have it, a true master of wit and sarcasm giving us their take on death and the RIP game. Remember, when someone dies, let's all sit back, fold our arms, and contemplate the deep philosophical questions like, "Is RIP even appropriate?" Stay sassy, my friends! ??

It is glib to say RIP when you truthfully don't know them.

No Seb there is just these little things called empathy and sympathy. 

Certain human beings make life better for their existence and so when they pass it’s entirely human  to feel a sense of loss. For me that would be true of John Lennon, Queen Elizabeth, Joost van der Westhuizen, Seve Ballesteros and the teacher who died in the Challenger disaster among many others.

Looking at that list sympathy it is obviously correlated with the circumstances of death….earlier deaths seem much more tragic. I remember watching a Christmas ad for a children’s hospital where an obviously very sick child said “help me Santa’. One was close to tears and I started contributing to the hospital and haven’t stopped many years later. It was profoundly sad.

And I’d say sympathy naturally extends to fictional characters the sprinter in Gallipoli and even animals, after watching Old Yeller as a boy I was distraught for days.

I don’t need to read the scriptures to have these feelings…..they are part of being a human being. 

Mozart

I agree with you as to the above.    I have a vague memory of King George VI and the Queen mother.    During their visit to  SA in 1947 their train stopped in Riversdale  and I saw them from a distance of about 1,5 meters - we were put on the platform ceiling by a neighbor of us and saw the real two - the King in a navy uniform and the queen in a flowered dress.   I was just 5 years old at the time.   For the rest I can only remember Queen Elizabeth II -  I think she was part of the world scene for 70 years and that made her part of our life.   She was the Queen of horseracing as well.   

Anyway when people die it is always tragic.   My little sister died at the age of 9 years and my two brothers died.    So I am the only child of my parents alive - feel lonely at times.   I was in England to watch rugby at Murrayfield and Twickenham a week before my youngest  brother's death - he had cancer and I actually phoned him to say goodbye before I left for England.  I also went on a tour to Windsor Castle at the time and going into the St George Chapple I saw notes on the wall.   So I wrote one myself asking that they pray for my brother.   He died the week after my return from England.   

However, I agree with you as to sympathy for the survivors of the bereaved - but especially sorry to see young people dying.   Anyway - to my mind we are human  and we have to have sympathy with others - irrespective of whomsoever they are whether you personally know or even saw them or not.   So RIP in this case.                     

"after watching Old Yeller as a boy I was distraught for days"

Eish.... this was traumatic 

"I don’t need to read the scriptures to have these feelings…..they are part of being a human being. "

^^^^!!!!

Any answer from chatgtp to SA rugby quota policy.

One thing is sure: SA rugby are a prime example of respect of cultural diversity.

Come to think of it, it is indeed very human to feel loss and certainly understand this and rhetorical question on subjects invoke a battle between pathos ,ethos and logos.

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