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Russia as a world power and the GDP driven narrative (long disclaimer)

Started by TheTraditionalist8 REPLIES261 VIEWS· 07 Aug 2023, 07:26
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TheTraditionalistPro4,003 posts
07 Aug 2023, 07:26
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07 Aug 2023, 07:26#1

Disclaimer: liberals are obssessed with power, they want control and submission. As a result, they usually rely on various strategies to disinform, like their regular hegelian dance (control over thesis and control over antithesis means control over synthesis) that fit their two political party structural organization.


Noawadays, though, it does not matter as situations have grown clean cut enough for the great many to make an opinion without relying on expertise.


Liberals are obssessec with appearances, they have sustained thousands of thousands narratives to support their self perception and have spent a tremendous amount of resources to stage themselves as they are not. Narratives about the white race existing, being the most benevolent, the US as a guardian protector of humanity etc Many of them.


Their infatuation for emptiness has made it a burden to provide any alternative, especially as they have successfully moneitized propaganda: many in liberal nations grow richer and richer filling with nothing, making it a competition to correct anything they deplete of meaning. As usually, people tasked with the goal in liberal societies are growing richer at least at a slowlier pace when they do not grow poorer, the balance is tipped.



That being stated, they are not almighty and must as others comply with situations. They must accept or deny.

In all cases, they know (end of disclaimer)



The GDP narrative is an interesting one.


GDP as a metrics is only valid for what it is supposed to measure. It gives valuable information when it is contained to its validity range.

The connection to a world power status is a dangerous to walk path as it requires to determine what a world power is and what the expectations are to it.




As people travel around the world, they might experience a disconnection between the GDP and the quality of life for example they may experience. Obviously, a low GDP nation may provide a low quality of life and a high GDP a high one.


It happens though that quality of life does not match GDP. A rather low GDP country may deliver an expectedly higher quality of life. Two close GDP countries meaningfully different qualities of life. And not as a rich person but as an average one since liberals enjoy their largely inequal societies like in SA where the dire povery may lay next to the lavish wealth. It is good to be a wealthy person in many many locations around the world.


Blatant to be made observations that have grown hard to deny over time.


In order to take account, new metrics were developed. Like the GDP scaled to PPP (purchasing power parity)

Again, liberals know of it; they are the ones who partially developed the concept (even if coerced)

The metrics has its own limitations and as such, must be kept to what it measures.


Nevertheless, for Russia, as Russia has strived to set up an integrated economy, the metrics is relevant to the utmost.


Here are data from the world bank (running from 1990 to 2022)


https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.MKTP.PP.CD

(table may be ordered by clicking on the proper button)

Suddenly, the narrative is challenged, Russia is no longer a lower country while not sitting at the top.

When compared to Italy, Greece, Spain (no data on NY) countries used to belittle Russia's achievements, a different perspective is given.

One may compare the evolution of the UK and Russia from  1990 to 2022 as they started from a close value etc

So basically, the question is about what being a world power means and what the expectations to it.


And incidentally, one understands how thr BRICS desire to decouple from the west,how a successful move would mean accrued prosperity for them.



In all cases, liberals know. Nothing in this post is alien to them. Their selection of elements to propagate is what matters.


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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
07 Aug 2023, 14:26
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07 Aug 2023, 14:26#2

PPP GDP assigns a higher value to goods and services provided locally. In that sense it is a better measure of relative poverty. A bowl  of borscht might have a high value to Russians, but an Italian is not going to pay  much for it. On the other hand a plate of Italian pasta may even have a higher value in London.

So your argument is right, Russians in their terms, may be living a better life than GDP numbers show.

But of course if you are measuring individual economic well being vs economic power, best measured by GDP,  you have to do it on a per capita basis. On that basis the US ranks 8th after a bunch of small, wealthy countries, Netherlands is 13th, Italy is 32nd and Russia is 56th.

Based on PPP GDP per capita people in the Netherlands are more than twice as well off as Russians, despite Russia’s oil which will go away….and they are free.

An interesting angle, but no, the West remains a much better option.

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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
07 Aug 2023, 15:12
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07 Aug 2023, 15:12#3

Still chuckle when I see Ireland at the top or the top of charts like these. Headline figures can be so misleading.


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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
07 Aug 2023, 15:55
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07 Aug 2023, 15:55#4

The Poms really set you guys up nicely, from potato farmers to a modern economy….but I’m thinking Guinness might have a disproportionate weight in the number,

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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
07 Aug 2023, 16:52
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07 Aug 2023, 16:52#5

The Pom's what a great bunch of chaps. Speaking of which how's things going over in the 13 Colonies?


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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
07 Aug 2023, 17:21
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07 Aug 2023, 17:21#6

Set us up as well…biggest GDP ever and the country Elon Musk chose to emigrate to…pretty dispositive!

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TheTraditionalistPro4,003 posts
08 Aug 2023, 12:30
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08 Aug 2023, 12:30#7

The Poms really set you guys up nicely, from potato farmers to a modern economy….

Ireland is a EU success as they needed a poster child to prove EU efficiency.

If anything to expect from UK; it is the loss of the control of the irish border by Ireland.

At the moment, considering who the US president is, it is a big no.

If Donald Junior Trump is elected, that would be another story.

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TheTraditionalistPro4,003 posts
10 Aug 2023, 15:58
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10 Aug 2023, 15:58#8

But of course if you are measuring individual economic well being vs economic power, best measured by GDP,  you have to do it on a per capita basis.

Any metrics come with a baggage. GDP per capita is certainly not measuring individual economic well being. It is an average or a mean.

but no, the West remains a much better option.

Of course it is. There is a demand for this conclusion. Even if Russia was topping every single metrics, the West would still be the best place to be.

It was never about claiming that Russia is the best place. When taking into account the Russian approach on the world, that must be made of multiple poles, it makes no sense. From their own point of view, other places must be as viable as theirs.

Liberals are hegemonic so from their point of view it is expected to get a shit holes vs paradise world organization.

The point of the post was to underline that Russia has done a good job at converting its nomial GDP into GDP PPP.

That should be applicable knowledge, especially in those days of migration.

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
10 Aug 2023, 16:41
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10 Aug 2023, 16:41#9

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