The year is ending on an upbeat note for the Russian Federation troops that have just conquered the heavily fortified town of Maryinka, in the outskirts of Donetsk city.
This is a major development, the biggest since Moscow troops regained the initiative, and also the greatest achievement since they gained control of Avdiivka (Bakhmut) in May.
Russia is winning this war oaks.
Stav
What
I wrote is not based on fake news. You ussured us that the counter-attack planned in Washington made massive gains in territory, but a US General admitted they did not gain an inch in territory.
Now the Russian captued Marinka was nohing at all and what Beeno wrote was based on news and the caputre iof Marinka is not a joke. Instead of looking at the map of Ukraine overran the Ukraine defensive line in a major way and the Russian army can now turn on Avdika and attack the defense line from the back and front - cutting of suplies to that Ukaine supply line would be jeopardised if the soon to eb encicled Avdivka.
Your fake news stories basd on popaganda are limitless and when you say one thing the opposite often happened . . ,
Yes Shark, that's the horrible reality of it all...where's the glory in that?...Freedom to rule your own ashoop...fck both these battle dwarfs...
Yes Shark, that's the horrible reality of it all...where's the glory in that?
Who's ever talked about glory...other than you that is?
I am confused pedobeeno, Avdiivka is about 90km from Bakhmut and fighting is still ongoing so not sure where you are getting your info from.
Is the article claiming they are the same place?
Draad all they have in common's that they are both shortarses.
Putin's a former KGB middle-management operative who learnt his trade in East Berlin.
Now he's the leader of a gangster authoritarian fascist dictatorship.
Zelensky's a modern day Churchill drawing historical comparisons as an effective and stirring wartime communicator — yet with a distinctly modern touch inflected by the sensibilities of live television and the personal feel of social media.
I don't know how anyone can hold the murdering bastard Putin in high esteem while mafia boss Ramaphosa is thought of as rotten to the core.
"Draad all they have in common's that they are both shortarses."
Napoleon was one too...and Hitler...and Churchill
Blob, he's no Churchill...he's a good actor, I'll give him that.
"I don't know how anyone can hold the murdering bastard Putin in high esteem while mafia boss Ramaphosa is thought of as rotten to the core."
...yes Denny, the biggest tell that there's something way off with Putin...look at his friends....ANC, China, Norks, Iran. Syria...need I go on?...in Afrikaans we have 3 say ings:
Draad
I fully ag ree wiith that one - but as guilty Putin is - so guilty is Biden. He did refuse ti implement ace negiotiation agreements and caused his puppets in Ukraine from implemeting agreements. and encourag them to start the war.
The USA had no business in causing a coup in Ukraine and appoint puppts to take over The first so appointment refused to .sign a law ging agaqist the 1991 Constitution and he was discarded as a result. When Zelenskyy arrested the Russian speaking membes of the Ukraine THe Attorney G eneal appointed by Paliament found no evidece supporting thei arrest and she ried o find a charge - but there was nthing. Zelenskyy fred her withou approval of her employes - the Parliamen of Ukraine. She tried o used he 1991 Constitution in the 1991 to xeal with the issue andx that ws nt acceptable to the USA ovelods in wcashinton.
If the USA was determined to find a peaceful settlement there would not have been a war. The politicos and the Armament Industry wanted a war in Ukraine since they believed and said it openly that the Russian Army was poor and poorly supplied of weaponry - the Ukrainians wit US help would win the war and th e Putin Government in Moscow would collapse as a result. situation. They were wrong in both and the horrible dxestruction of Ukraine could have been avoided.
There is one thing the USA has a h and in is the operation of bio-labs in Ukraine - anther Wuhan episode an lead to millions and even billions worldwide deaths by a gain-in-function virus ten times more dangerous t an the Wuhan virus. .
"Draad all they have in common's that they are both shortarses."
He keeps pegging Zelenskyy at the same level as Putin and does the same with Ukraine and Russia, (hence Ukrainian's are fighting for glory). Guess it makes sense from his perspective reading his posts on the Putin Vs Schwab thread. Everyone's a puppet.
"He keeps pegging Zelenskyy at the same level as Putin and does the same with Ukraine and Russia, "
No, I do not...I've repeatedly said Putin and Russia are the aggressor in this conflict...if you dislike one side and blames it for wrongs, it doesn't mean you have to like the other side and condone everything it does...
Zelensky isn't covering himself in glory and is at least partially to blame for some of the conflict in his country...there are some journalists and politicians locked up in Ukraine and some clamp downs on some religious gatherings not so?...even before the invasion? So he can't be 100% blameless now can he?...it's a lot more complex than how you try to paint it.
...no, I'm not inclined to go look into it again...are you saying there's not?...and no bans on opposing political paties?...and no indefinite postponing of the elections ?...and no rampant corruption?
Ukraine has a lot of problems and it's not all Putin's doing.
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Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky said on Sunday that 11 political parties in his nation that are linked to Russia will be banned, The Washington Post reported.
In a speech posted online, Zelensky said that Ukraine’s National Security and Defense Council agreed to suspend the activities of the parties.
“Given the full-scale war waged by the Russian Federation and the ties of some political structures with this state, any activity of a number of political parties during the martial law is suspended,” Zelensky said during his address.
Zelensky also said in his address that the country’s Justice Ministry was “instructed to immediately take comprehensive measures to ban the activities of these political parties in the prescribed manner,” according to the Post.
“Any activity of politicians aimed at splitting or collaborating will not succeed,” Zelensky added. “But it will get a tough response.”
The 11 banned parties included the Opposition Platform-For Life, Shariy Party, Nashi, Opposition Bloc, Left Opposition, Union of Left Forces, State, Progressive Socialist Party of Ukraine, Socialist Party of Ukraine, Socialists Party and Volodymyr Saldo Bloc, according to Axios.
During a Sunday interview with CNN’s Fareed Zakaria, Zelensky warned of the possibility of a third world war happening if negotiations fail to end Russia’s invasion of Ukraine.
“Unfortunately, our dignity is not going to preserve the lives, so I think that we have to do any format, any chance, so in order to have … the possibility of talking to Putin. But if these attempts fail, that would mean … a third world war,” Zelensky told Zakaria."
...all evil fcks like Putin I suppose...
..no, I'm not inclined to go look into it again...
Like the Biden not producing enough oil thing, this looks suspiciously like your concocting a narrative to match world views and not basing your world views on actual verifiable evidence.
...are you saying there's not?...and no bans on opposing political paties?...and no indefinite postponing of the elections?
I'm not aware of any of that occurring before the invasion, hence why I asked for evidence.
Do you not understand with the framing of your questions your actually plugging the Russian narrative. Your implying that Zelenskyy is doing this because he's corrupt and wants to remove all opposition.
Zelenskyy banned opposition parties with strong links to Russia after Russia invaded Ukraine. Not all political parties where banned and some member of the banned opposition parties either joined Zelenskyy's parties or other parties and some created new parties.
Now I don't know how fair this ban was, but its beyond question that several of the opposition parties including the main opposition party did have strong links to Russia before the war and they drew their vote from what was before the war from a section of Ukrainian society that held a largely pro Russian view. I've no doubt that what motivated Zelenskky was a fear that these opposition parties would work to undermine Ukraine's defense or actively collaborate with the invading Russian's.
As for postponing of elections is not an uncommon act during a war. There was no general election in the UK in 1940 for example. Secondly how legitimate would the election be when you country is partially under occupation. What would the logistics of holding an election in a country at war be like, not to mention when million of its citizens are now refugees in dozens of other countries.
...and no rampant corruption?
No one blamed Russia for the rampant corruption in Ukraine before the war (though it might be partially legacy from the Soviet era) but how does that justify Russia invading Ukraine, particularly when most assessments before the war ranked Russia as worse than Ukraine for corruption.
Ukraine has a lot of problems and it's not all Putin's doing
Indeed Ukraine's problems are Ukraine's problems but far and way Ukraine's biggest problem is its been f**king invaded and that's all Putin's doing.
You do realize all those journalists listed as in jail under the Ukraine section are those that have been detained by Russia?
As for the second link. No one refutes that Zelenskky banned opposition parties linked to Russia, but that was after the invasion of Ukraine by Russia. So you can't say the was part of the reason why Ukraine was invaded or use it to blame him for the war breaking out.
Like the Biden not producing enough oil thing, this looks suspiciously like your concocting a narrative to match world views and not basing your world views on actual verifiable evidence.
I'm concocting nothing....go look in the drop in oil production at the start of the Biden term...some can be put down to covid but not all...and there was a civil war in Ukraine even before Zelensky and the first invasion.
You do realize all those journalists listed as in jail under the Ukraine section are those that have been detained by Russia?
All? So Zelensky didn't. lock up any?
You do realize all those journalists listed as in jail under the Ukraine section are those that have been detained by Russia?
All? So Zelensky didn't. lock up any?
"Now I don't know how fair this ban was, but its beyond question that several of the opposition parties including the main opposition party did have strong links to Russia before the war and they drew their vote from what was before the war from a section of Ukrainian society that held a largely pro Russian view"
Exactly...like I said...a bit more complex ...
"Ukraine's biggest problem is its been f**king invaded and that's all Putin's doing."
Agreed, I never disputed that.
Good thing putin wouldn't do such a thing, Navalny c ould have a chance of beating putin in the up coming elections I am sure. (Even though he is a siberian gulag lol)
I'm concocting nothing....go look in the drop in oil production at the start of the Biden term...some can be put down to covid but not all...and there was a civil war in Ukraine even before Zelensky and the first invasion.
Your missing the point. Oil production in the US is close to record levels, yet currently Russian oil prices are not that low. Why because the price of global oil isn't controlled just by what the US does on its own. Ultimately supply and demand determine the cost of oil not production on its own. It undermines your argument that Biden could of crippled the Russian economy in response to the invasion by increasing production production to tank the cost of Russian oil. A.k.a you where looking for a reason to shift some of blame on Biden/The West.
You do realize all those journalists listed as in jail under the Ukraine section are those that have been detained by Russia?
"Now I don't know how fair this ban was, but its beyond question that several of the opposition parties including the main opposition party did have strong links to Russia before the war and they drew their vote from what was before the war from a section of Ukrainian society that held a largely pro Russian view"
Exactly...like I said...a bit more complex ...
Certainly its more complex that just saying Zelenskyy banned opposition parties without qualifying the circumstances and reasons why he did it. Under normal circumstance banning rival opposition parties is not a sign of a healthy democracy but a war is not normal circumstances. At the end of the conflict when his decisions are analyzed in a fair and impartial light maybe it will turn out that the decision was not carried out in a fair manner but giving the circumstances of the war and the dangers Ukraine where facing I could understand if some parties where unfairly banned in the name of expedience and a better safe than sorry approach.
But if you have issues with his decision, can you say for certain there was no risk that there opposition parties wouldn't have worked to undermine Ukraine's defense or possibly worked with the Russian's?
For now and in light of his other actions I'm willing to give Zelenskyy the benefit of the doubt.
And again this action was taking after the invasion began, so once again you can't use that decision to put the blame on Zelenskyy for the start of this war.
Good thing putin wouldn't do such a thing, Navalny could have a chance of beating putin in the up coming elections I am sure. (Even though he is a siberian gulag lo
He's not in Siberia, they sent him to the frigging artt ic!
The loons are stumbling around in the dark.
Even Draad succumbs to their madness.
So they expected Russia to sit on their hands while US led NATO built up the AFU at a rapid rate. Russia should sit on its hands while missiles are placed on Ukrainian soil mere minutes away from Moscow.
Russia should sut on its hands while gain of function US bio labs are set up in Ukraine..
Russia should sit on its hands while fellow Russians are being slaughtered in the Donbas.
Russia should sit its hands while Ukraine is being promised NATO membership. Kissinger said that NATO expanding Eastwards was a mistake (Of course it was deliberate) and was seen by Russia as an existential threat.
I guess the loons here thought the men of Russia were pussified loons who would roll over and say yes master. Hahahahahahahahahahahaha
No loons the pussified men are the ones wearing make up and skirts in the US Military. Hahahahahahahahahahahaha. There are no more determined fighters in the world than the Russians. 20 million died in the 2nd WW and they kept coming.
The loons here make the big mistake in pretending that the war started unprovoked when Russia sent a small expeditionary force of a mere 90,000 men into Ukraine. Mike and I have spelt out what preceded this war and Russia obviously had to act. Even Draad ignores all that. All he sees is Putin going in to Ukrain with 90,000 troops against an Army of 640,000 Ukrainians. Draad ignores the fact that this plan of putin worked. A peace agreement was signed which Putin showed to African heads of state. That peace plan was scuppered by Biden.
So now we have the devastation to human life and economic ruin of Ukraine. Al this must be laid squarely at the door of the WEST. This blood is on their hands.
The USA under Biden suffered a terrible humiliation in Afghanistan and are now facing another terrible humiliation. The Woke West is a laughing stock. Only the taking of power by the Populist Nationalist can change all this.
Russia if probably today a more free country than the poor countries of the West suffering under Globalist Marxist/Fascists who don't give a damn about the ordinary man. All the brain dead loons ignore what is going on. The suck up the Globalist propaganda like sponges.
Like the poor Russian infantryman had any choice in the matter, get killed attacking or get killed by your own people for retreating, great choice that for the poor sods had in WW2
"Yup. Feel free to actually look up your own link. But LOL that's some brazen balls on you, throwing a question back instead of acknowledging your rather silly error in the hope no one will notice.
I did, and some could be attributed by Russia...not all...please enlighten me...and I didn't dig into the details...it was an unvetted quick Google....but you're missing the point...
No, you're the one absolving him from any blame because Russia is more evil.
Russia is a Saint compared to Zelensky and his masters.
They precipitated the war. Refused to end it and keep sending Ukrainians into the meat grinder.
Russia t90k back Russian populated areas that were historically Russian whose people were being murdered by Zelensky.
The Russians dug in behind defensive lines and the tyrant in Kiev sent the Ukrainian to attack the Russians and to die.
But lots of money changed hands and ou Mozzie Raytheon shares soared.
What exactly has this disastrous war achieved for the people of Europe or even the USA. NOTHING BUT LOSS.
Hence the public turning against this absurd proxy war.
Admit Putin whipped you real bad and accept the humiliating peace terms. US led NATO bit off more than they could chew. They believed their own hype. Pride comes before a fall etc.
As I said Zelensky will be fortunate to get away with his life.
The longer the war goes on the stronger Rusdia gets and the more destruction of Ukraine happens.
Sue for peace.
Americans must note well who the leading war mongerers are and bring them to justice.
Ditto all the Globalist criminals who opened the borders of Western Nations.
The death penalty must be on the table.
Let the punishment fit the crime.
Luciferian Globalists are ruling in the West. That is the source of this huge evil going on. The source of this vile wokeness, the wars, the chaos etc. The thief comes to kill and destroy.
No, you're the one absolving him from any blame because Russia is more evil.
I'm not absolving him of anything. I just don't convict a person without evidence.
The attacking side loses more men.
Rather let Russia make minor games, and lose more men and weaponry- than attacking
Stav
"Do you not understand with the framing of your questions your actually plugging the Russian narrative. Your implying that Zelenskyy is doing this because he's corrupt and wants to remove all opposition".
You are not correct on the issue. In J anuay 2022 the Ukraine Parliament passed a unanimous reaolution supported by all political parties in the Ukraine Paliament condemning the potential invasion of Ukraine . Two weeks before the invasion he signed a potential agreement negotiated by Macron that would have prevented the War in Ukraine. A week before the invasion he instructed arresting all Russian speaking members of the Ukraine Government - an outight breach of the agrement signed a week before was based on instructions from Washington. That breach was the final straw that broke the camels back and the invasion started the next week.
So what happened next? He instructed the Ukraine Attorney-General to file charges against the members and she could find no evidence found based on the 1991 constitution of Ukraine no evidence that could be used as a basis tor any charges against the members. I this regard she told Zelenskyy that in terns of the Ukraine 1991 Constitution she could not find any evidence to support the arrest of the Membes fo Parliament. In response he wothoiut aproval of the Ukraine Parliament fired her, A week after that the invasion started he banned functioning of all opposition parties in Ukraine followed by a ban of the Ukraine Orthodox Church,
All the arrested members of Parliament vanished and whether they are still alive is questionable - especially with the Asocv battalion aound In 2015 th UN declared that the Asov Battalion - then a private army organisation run by the then owner of the TV station where Zelenskyy worked - be listed as an international mercenary and terrorist organization after mirdering thousands of people in Mariopol and Odessa - a real fact you cn get from the UN records. Since that stopped weapon provision by the USA Government the battalion with its Nazi insignia was absorbed into the Ukraine army. The Pentagon admitted in evidence before the Senate that the Battalion was guilty of war crimes in Ukraine by murdering of Russian prisoners of war. If hy got hold of the arrested memebrs of Parliament they are 90% certain of not to be still alive.
within two weeks after th e start of the invasion Zelenskyy banned functional political parties bar his own and two very smzll political parties collaborating with his Party from functioning in Ukraine, At the same time he banned th e fuctioning of the Ukraine Orthodox Church based on allegations that they are collaborating with the Russians.
Whether he acted on his own or got instructions from h is puppetmasters in Washington is not clear at all. They control the fucntioning of the Ukraine army and fully funding the Ukraine budget - so they might also control that aspect as well,
The fact is there is without having a functioning constitution there is no democracy left in Ukraine.