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So the ‘disaster’ that is Brexit

Started by Mozart27 REPLIES153 VIEWS· 28 Jun 2026, 16:47
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Mozart
Captain49,914 posts
01 Jul 2026, 01:02#21

Where am I misrepresenting facts. The fact is Nigel Farage has acknowledge that Brexit has failed. The fact that he doesn't regret it or that he's still happier the UK is out of the EU changes nothing about the fact that he consider Brexit a failure.


Where are you in effect lying? Because you are conflating Brexit the policy, with Brexit the result. Farage is saying Brexit the result didn’t achieve its objectives, because Brexit the policy was not implemented as visualized.


Which you slimely turned into Farage admitted Brexit was a failure. The facts show all the horror predictions about Brexit were nonsense. It was not a failure it was pretty much Euro normal, but if you regard that as a failure, that’s what I’ve been telling you. You need only look at how much the US has outgrown Europe.

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Stavanger1
Pro4,532 posts
01 Jul 2026, 01:48#22

because Brexit the policy was not implemented as visualized.


Brexit was never visualized. Everyone on the Brexiteer side had their own interpretation of it. Was it a hard Brexit, a Swiss style Brexit, a Norwegian Style Brexit, was it leaving the EU but remaining in the custom's union etc. The leave campaign was consisted of several different campaign groups where the only view they held in common was wanting to leave but not on the how of leaving and they never had a plan for what came after it.


Which you slimely turned into Farage admitted Brexit was a failure.


Allow me to quote you and I'll underline the important bit


Brexit has failed,” he added. “We’ve not delivered on Brexit and the Tories have let us down very, very badly.”


Let me know if you would like for me to highlight too you again.


The facts show all the horror predictions about Brexit were nonsense.


Not they don't. Certain predictions on the remain side were wrong. Certain ones were right. But this is all the Brexit proponents have, an argument along the lines that you warned me if I jumped out of the 2nd floor window for a laugh that I'd break both my legs... well how stupid are you I only broke one leg.


It was not a failure it was pretty much Euro normal,


Of course this shallow analysis ignores the economic reports that the UK economy could be 2-8% bigger by now had Brexit not occurred and also ignores the reason why several of the major EU economies struggled. The Ukraine war and disruption to gas supplies had a much more significant effect on countries Eastern and Central Europe countries like Germany than the UK.


but if you regard that as a failure, that’s what I’ve been telling you. You need only look at how much the US has outgrown Europe.


Maybe one day you will figure out GDP and money aren't the only metrics to measure human achievement by.







MO
Mozart
Captain49,914 posts
01 Jul 2026, 03:29#23

Brexit was never visualized.


Wrong this how it was broadly planned…not implemented


Global Free Trade: Proponents argued the UK would quickly negotiate a network of lucrative bilateral trade deals across the globe. They anticipated securing comprehensive, frictionless trade agreements with the EU and major economies worldwide, operating independently of the EU's common trade policy. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]

Regulatory Autonomy: Brexiteers viewed EU membership as a web of restrictive bureaucracy. Their implementation plan relied on "taking back control" by repealing EU laws, allowing the UK to design bespoke, agile regulations for specialized industries like tech, finance, and agriculture. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]

Immigration & Borders: A key pillar was ending the EU's free movement of people. Proponents planned to implement a points-based immigration system to control who entered the country, intending to reduce reliance on cheap European labor while attracting highly skilled global talent. [1, 2, 3, 4]

Financial Dividends: The most famous implementation promise was the redirection of billions in EU membership fees. Vote Leave famously campaigned on the claim that leaving the EU would free up £350 million a week to be redirected directly to the National Health Service. [1,


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Brexit has failed,” he added. “We’ve not delivered on Brexit and the Tories have let us down very, very badly.”


Let me know if you would like for me to highlight too you again.


Nope no need right in that sentence he is saying the implementation failed….if only you had the wit to understand.

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Not they don't. Certain predictions on the remain side were wrong. Certain ones were right.

You mean like these ones:


The HM Treasury warned that a vote to leave would trigger an immediate recession. It projected:

  1. GDP would fall by 3.6–6.0% within two years.
  2. Around 500,000–800,000 jobs could be lost.
  3. House prices could fall 10–18%.
  4. Sterling would depreciate sharply.

Sterling did indeed fall by about 10–15% after the referendum, but the predicted immediate recession did not occur. And Sterling rapidly recovered to trade today at 1.16 Euros to 1.18 Euros a month before Brexit.

Emergency budget

Then-Chancellor George Osborne warned that Brexit would require an "emergency Budget" involving spending cuts and tax increases.

That emergency budget was never introduced.

Unemployment surge

Many forecasts suggested unemployment would rise substantially after a Leave vote.

Instead, UK unemployment continued to fall over the following years, reaching around 4% before the COVID-19 pandemic.

Financial services exodus

Warnings suggested that London's financial sector would lose tens of thousands of jobs and much of its global status.

Some business and assets did move to cities such as Dublin, Paris, and Frankfurt. However, London has remained Europe's largest financial centre by many measures, although some EU-related business has relocated.

Trade collapse

Some campaigners warned that Britain would lose preferential access to European markets and exports would suffer dramatically.

Trade patterns did change:

  1. Goods trade with the EU became more costly because of customs formalities and regulatory checks.
  2. Services exports remained comparatively resilient.
  3. UK trade increasingly diversified toward non-EU markets.

Public finances

Some predicted a severe deterioration in government finances.

The UK's fiscal position was affected by Brexit, but it was also heavily influenced by COVID, energy prices, and global inflation, making it difficult to isolate Brexit's effect


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Maybe one day you will figure out GDP and money aren't the only metrics to measure human achievement by.



Okay I’ll play, name your metric that is a better measure of a country’s economic performance after a major policy change.


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DbDraad
Captain26,388 posts
01 Jul 2026, 06:06#24

"Like that time I aske you if you could point out the good people in photo's or videos from Charlottesville among the crowds of people marching under Swastika's, white nationalist and confederate flags."


Another deliberate selective obfuscation of what happened...

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DbDraad
Captain26,388 posts
01 Jul 2026, 06:08#25

...I can go on, but it's a waste of time...

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Plum
Captain21,007 posts
01 Jul 2026, 06:27#26

"Or even more recently when you bailed out of the debate on woke video games."


You mean the time when you tried to convince us that despite becoming a penny stock, Ubisoft are just amazing?

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clevermike
Coach57,555 posts
01 Jul 2026, 07:59#27

In 1973 when visiting Europe for six months I bought Pound Sterling and Deutsmark travelling cheques becuqase nobody in Europe were prepared to deal with US Dollars at the time, The German Economy was thriving and the evy of the World/


In 2007 the EU o/mmunities were all showing signs of declne and in the l ast 3 years the decline in the German evonomy was in resession for 3 years running .


The English economy since Brexit has not going the way the Grman economy went and he main problem is that instead of negotiating trade deals workwide the Brotish Government did not ,and the sociaist approach went haywire, Soicalsm is the sure sign of economic decline an in urope weak Govrnments are all in troube as a result.


The probiem is that political leadership in Europe is weak and so is Go/ernment, The Conservative Party lost the plot totally and is in decline, Labou wwon the eection with a huge margin and now they lost Starner as Prime Minister replacing Starmer wih a hard line Socialist and he is going to cost the people of he UK dearly,



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Plum
Captain21,007 posts
01 Jul 2026, 15:31#28

What keeps happen to old Starver every time he tries this stuff with Moz haha



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