Starmer’s comment

LOL

Moz, you're wasting you're time...unfortunately..

Says something about a country who selects a weak wanker as leader...

Yeah, yeah, I know what you're thinking, but he got up after being shot... imagine Starmer after being shot... he'll p!$$ himselv....

Starmer's turned a corner ... while Batshit goes from the very bad to total catastrophic chaos.

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Let’s not revisit this again unless you have something useful to add.

Still with the strawman arguments. When did I claim Europe had more ships or had overall more capability. I was simply pointing out in the context of you derision towards European militaries that in a number of weapon's categories Europeans have better kit as demonstrated in the war in Ukraine and over the last few years Europe has been the US and China for that matter in launching naval ships.

Which means the US has energy security. And as much of the infrastructure is dedicated prices won’t rise as much, in the meantime Europe and Asia could actually be at risk of not having enough supply…Japan has 6 weeks of LNG left.

Again up in the ivory tower, looking down at the plebs, it will still hit American's at the pump, more than enough to see Trump get hammered in the mid terms. The slowdown in the world economy will also have blowback into the American economy. And you do understand the rest of the world is going to rightly blame America for causing this mess.

And after Iran proxies attacked Israel civilians in a brutal massacre, which nobody in Europe seems much bothered about.

As opposed to the he US doesn't seem to be bothered about enabling genocide and starting unprovoked wars.

It’s true the Europeans probably won’t do anything without the US holding their tiny, little hands….the US would do it as part of a NATO effort and if it lasted long enough the little men in suits would come on bended knee.

You see this is why Trump and MAGA are so despised around the world, extreme arrogance coupled with extreme stupidity. The very fact that you made this thread and call Starmers comments incredible insensitive after the shit Trump has pulled for the last year and a bit is just bonkers. It's lack of self awareness on absolutely unhinged levels.

Actually this looks to have been a screw up, and we haven’t heard the end of it. The world’s economy will be fine even if the world leaves the Dark Ages Iranian regime in place. But these crisis will continue to occur.

Forgive me if I don't share you confidence.

The most intelligent thing you have said in a while

Well when I'm speaking to people of the intellectual calibre of you and Draad and those in the MAGA sphere, I really got to dumb down my arguments into something you can understand. But it's a pretty hopeless task if I'm being honest.

Says something about a country who selects a weak wanker as leader...

Yeah, yeah, I know what you're thinking, but he got up after being shot... imagine Starmer after being shot... he'll p!$$ himselv....

He probably just say something boring, 'like as I and the Labour party have already stated multiple times, we remain committed to providing support to those who have suffered gun violence, and will be passing legislation in the new year to that effect, next question please'.

As I said before I think Starmer is fundamentally a good and decent man, but he's a terrible politician and badly advised one at that. Trump on the other hand is fundamentally a truly awful human being who had the fortune of running for high office in the one country in the world that would be stupid enough to elect him... not just once but twice. Now the entire planet is paying the price.

"As I said before I think Starmer is fundamentally a good and decent man, but he's a terrible politician and badly advised one at that. Trump on the other hand is fundamentally a truly awful human being who had the fortune of running for high office in the one country in the world that would be stupid enough to elect him... not just once but twice. Now the entire planet is paying the price."

Exactly.

Should they have re-elected Biden or the empty-headed China stooge Harris as President?

Biden was well on his wway to destroy the USA often inked to corruption and Harris would have expedited that being a Chinese stooge.

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America must take their troops out of Europe. Having bases in countries has allowed America to the largest arms dealer in the world. We can just produce our own weapons, and stop investing in the American economy.

1. Germany ???? 767,282,600€

2. USA ???? 767,282,580€

3. United Kingdom ???? 531,690,651€

4. France ???? 520,086,609€

5. Italy ???? 411,469,885€

6. Canada ???? 338,983,229€

7. Türkiye ???? 324,388,082€

8. Spain ???? 297,473,292€

9. Netherlands ???? 180,259,075€

10. Poland ???? 174,076,087€

11. Belgium ???? 106,650,111€

12. Sweden ???? 101,867,433€

13. Norway ???? 86,505,205€

14. Romania ???? 82,875,724€

15. Denmark ???? 66,257,334€

16. Czechia ???? 59,842,677€

17. Portugal ???? 55,090,888€

18. Finland ???? 47,852,519€

19. Greece ???? 47,507,590€

20. Hungary ???? 44,315,706€

21. Slovakia ???? 25,632,888€

22. Bulgaria ???? 23,146,307€

23. Croatia ???? 18,147,405€

24. Lithuania ???? 15,475,489€

25. Slovenia ???? 12,829,314€

26. Latvia ???? 9,045,387€

27. Luxembourg ???? 8,818,867€

28. Estonia ???? 7,361,926€

29. Albania ???? 5,575,501€

30. Iceland ???? 4,370,822€

31. North Macedonia ???? 4,175,190€

32. Montenegro ???? 1,863,648€

Interesting.

That kind of blows a big hole in the Trumpanzee notion that it's the USA who props NATO up.

Thanks SB.

Well when I'm speaking to people of the intellectual calibre of you and Draad and those in the MAGA sphere, I really got to dumb down my arguments into something you can understand. But it's a pretty hopeless task if I'm being honest

‘I really got to dumb down my arguments’…….hahaha…..I rest my case.

Oh dear once again I have to educate the woke set. The NATObudget you are referring to is best described as the administrative budget, not the defense budget. It’s a tiny amount $ 5 billion a year. The US dominates defense expenditure, paying 65% of the $ 1 trillion actual spent on defense.

Read and learn…….MAGA >WOKE yet again

The key to answering this clearly is that “paying for NATO” has two completely different meanings:

1. Direct NATO budgets (the actual NATO organization)
2. National defense spending (the real military power behind NATO)

NATO’s common budgets are small:

1. Total: roughly €4.6–5.3 billion/year
2. Covers:
3. Headquarters
4. Command structure
5. Shared infrastructure

Who pays this?

The costs are split by a formula based on national income.

Largest contributors (2026)

1. ???? United States: ~15–16%
2. ???? Germany: ~15–16%
3. ???? United Kingdom: ~10%
4. ???? France: ~10%

?? No country pays a majority

?? The U.S. is the single largest payer, but only about one-sixth

This is where most of the money actually is.

1. NATO’s common budget = ~0.3% of total allied defense spending
2. Total NATO defense spending = $1+ trillion/year

Each country pays for:

1. Its own army, navy, air force
2. Equipment, personnel, operations

?? There is no central NATO army budget

Again up in the ivory tower, looking down at the plebs, it will still hit American's at the pump, more than enough to see Trump get hammered in the mid terms. The slowdown in the world economy will also have blowback into the American economy

Hot of the press, the US adds 100,000 more jobs in March as Trump’s economic incentives feeds momentum into the economy. Making tax cuts permanent, no tax on tips and overtime, the early effects of $18 trillion dollars of trade deal investments and deregulation.

Looking down from my Ivory Tower I see a mid term story beginning to emerge with the plebs (your term not mine) flooding back into the job market.

America spends more on its own military; this has nothing to do with NATO.

Invading countries has nothing to do with NATO - especially when war crimes are being committed.

Apparently, Trump has appealed for an extra 1.5 trillion military budget in 2027.

This is just going to push up America's debt, bringing it closer to default. All the world has to do is end the Petro dollar, and America can no longer export its inflation onto the world as a result of being the global currency.

The Mein Kampf Hitler stuff is just narrative.

The problem with Trump supporters is like Trump - they build an argument on a faulty premise or just a lie.

Everything after that would be true if the original lie was true.

Any time a Trump supporter argues, they always fall back on the woke/left-wing argument.

The problem is that in other countries, conservative people hate Trump and his scyophants - so it has nothing to do with ideology. Trump is not even a conservative person - he has voted Democrat for most of his life

I guess you have given up on your 15% of the NATO administration budget of $5 billion makes it all fair point. Just admit it for once and stop diverting.

Not even sure what you are rambling about. If America wants to have a large military budget, then do so.

However, don't claim that it is protecting NATO. NATO countries have paid a lot for American weapons, we dont need their bases or weapons. They must just pack their stuff and get out of Europe

America is in more wars than any country; these have nothing to do with NATO. The US is not part of the ICO because they frequently commit war crimes.

The oil blockade of Cuba is hardly a NATO operation, nor are most of America's wars.

Yes, the UK fully repaid its World War II-era loans to the United States with interest.

Loan Details

The primary loan, known as the Anglo-American Loan Agreement of 1946, totaled $4.34 billion from the US (plus a smaller amount from Canada). It was provided at a 2% interest rate to help Britain recover postwar, not directly for wartime fighting.

Repayment Timeline

Payments began in 1950 over 50 annual installments. The final payment was about $83 million to the US (including interest).

Total Cost

The UK paid around $7.5 billion overall, more than double the principal due to interest.

Trumpism is a war on the truth. If the facts dont fit the narrative, just lie.

"Not even sure what you are rambling about. If America wants to have a large military budget, then do so."

lol

I almost forgot how bad you are at math, ou Visser.