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Tank donations to Ukraine a farce

Started by Moonrover55 REPLIES2,384 VIEWS· 23 Sept 2023, 04:02
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MoonroverPro1,973 posts
23 Sept 2023, 04:02
#1
23 Sept 2023, 04:02#1

Anyone with common sense understands all these tank donations are a headache. 

Half the tanks donated by Denmark don't work. 

The Abraham tanks require a service personnel of 500 people with laboratory type surrounds. Ukraine doesn't have jet fuel for them either. 

Can one imagine trying to source parts and a supply chain including mechanics on the frontline.The jokers on here hope for a breakthrough... how is the supply chain gonna maintain momentum beyond that? You people don't have a clue. 

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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
23 Sept 2023, 08:57
#2
23 Sept 2023, 08:57#2
You are aware Ukraine has other tanks?
I remember the pro Russian crowd crowing at the start of the offensive when the Russian's knocked out a few Leopard 2's.

Turns out after nearly 4 months of Ukraine offensive actions they have lost just 6 Leopard 2's, while another 10 where damaged and are back in Germany and Poland undergoing repair.
I believe they where also given 178 Leopard 1's with another 100 due to be sent and so far I can't see any reports of any losses of them.
I'm sure the Ukrainian's still have some of their old Soviet tanks left as well as captured Russian tanks.
While I've no doubt the range of equipment Ukraine is being sent is causing alot of logistically nightmare for them, Russia seems to be awful at logistics from the start and I can't image its got any better with Ukraine constantly hitting Russian command and logistics sites as well as bottle necking their supply routes.


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sharkbokCaptain23,197 posts
23 Sept 2023, 09:22
#3
23 Sept 2023, 09:22#3

For Tanks to be effective, Ukraine needs to break through the lines of defense (clearing anti-tank missiles, dragon scales, etc.

If reports are true, Ukrainians are close to breaching the lines of defense. Then if the Leopards can be freed to take on Russian Tanks, we are going to see the power of Democratic technology. 

We need to up the anti and send Ukraine more long-range weapons for them to attack during Winter.

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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
23 Sept 2023, 10:41
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23 Sept 2023, 10:41#4
Yeah the Ukrainian's are through the minefield and dragon's teeth and their is confirmed reports via Geo located footage that Ukraine has starting operated armored vehicles beyond the first (or 2nd depending on whether you consider the minefield/dragons teeth line the first) of the Russian defenses.

They are making solid progress.
MO
MoonroverPro1,973 posts
23 Sept 2023, 17:38
#5
23 Sept 2023, 17:38#5

I read the Russians took out a Leopard tank with a full German crew on board. Makes sense since the Ukro's don't have the manpower, let alone trained manpower. People in there 50s dying for NATO nonsense now. 

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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
24 Sept 2023, 08:32
#6
24 Sept 2023, 08:32#6

I read the Russians took out a Leopard tank with a full German crew on board.

LOL did the Russian's hear the crew scream "Scheisse" just before they where taken out.

Sorry Moonrover only a clown would believe such a story.

Tell me if Ukraine is so short of manpower, why is it still the one on attack, why has Russia sat on the defensive since the start of June?



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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
24 Sept 2023, 11:36
#7
24 Sept 2023, 11:36#7

Apparently the Ukraine is short mf manpower - they asked the countries to which male refugees have fled to return them to Ukraine so as get them to serve in the Ukraine Army    .  

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MoonroverPro1,973 posts
24 Sept 2023, 13:17
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24 Sept 2023, 13:17#8

The Ukros are being slaugtered whilst you still parade your crazy dream Stav.Shame on you. 




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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
25 Sept 2023, 02:16
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25 Sept 2023, 02:16#9

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MoonroverPro1,973 posts
25 Sept 2023, 03:27
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25 Sept 2023, 03:27#10
Ja, you're just like Zinsky... Take your troops to the frontline, throw them out and the armored vehicles immediately dissappear. The reason they dissappear is the Russkies enjoy taking out the western Armour. 
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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
25 Sept 2023, 03:42
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25 Sept 2023, 03:42#11

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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
25 Sept 2023, 08:58
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25 Sept 2023, 08:58#12

Ja, you're just like Zinsky... Take your troops to the frontline, throw them out and the armored vehicles immediately dissappear. The reason they dissappear is the Russkies enjoy taking out the western Armour. 

They might do, but not as much as Ukrainian's enjoy taking out Russian armour.

https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/02/attack-on-europe-documenting-equipment.html


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MoonroverPro1,973 posts
25 Sept 2023, 09:58
#13
25 Sept 2023, 09:58#13

We're what is known as the the "Biden" phase of the war now. Since there's no more men left NATO is supplying missiles to lob into mainly Crimea. 

If one looks at the first World War the yanks lost 1000 men a day on the western front.... this is the peg line for dead Ukrainians. 

 Russia is going to blanket Ukraine again this winter and they have months ago taken out one top Yankee defence system. 

Basically Biden material fighting the Russian tech in this war. Possibly not much gonna be left of Crimea and Odessa but Ukraine will look like the Simpson desert in Australia. 

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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
25 Sept 2023, 10:27
#14
25 Sept 2023, 10:27#14

We're what is known as the the "Biden" phase of the war now. Since there's no more men left NATO is supplying missiles to lob into mainly Crimea. 

No we are still in a "Ukrainian offensive" phase of the war which consists of both a ground offensive and a missile interdiction campaign. Vatniks are desperately clinging to Russian propaganda that Ukraine has no men left.

If one looks at the first World War the yanks lost 1000 men a day on the western front.... this is the peg line for dead Ukrainians. 

And drinking the Russian propaganda cool aid about Ukrainian losses.

Russia is going to blanket Ukraine again this winter and they have months ago taken out one top Yankee defence system. 

Oh their no doubt going try to again but like the last time they did it, it will probably fail to achieve anything of strategic significance. Also they didn't take out an America air defence system, they damaged a Patriot air defence system but it wasn't even take out of action.
Basically Biden material fighting the Russi an tech in this war. Possibly not much gonna be left of Crimea and Odessa but Ukraine will look like the Simpson desert in Australia. 

You keep deluding yourself.
MO
MoonroverPro1,973 posts
25 Sept 2023, 12:42
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25 Sept 2023, 12:42#15

I visited Armenia and Georgia on my last trip to those lands. Glad I never went to Ukraine, they might have forced me into their "dad's army."

The yanks are reluctant to send any more patriot defence systems to Ukraine since the last one taken out in May. 98 million dollars worth of missiles also destroyed on it. BTW the intel comes from a former CIA chap... not Russian source. 

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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
25 Sept 2023, 13:12
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25 Sept 2023, 13:12#16
BTW the intel comes from a former CIA chap... not Russian source.

Who was the CIA chap?

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SebPro2,680 posts
25 Sept 2023, 14:04
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25 Sept 2023, 14:04#17

Blind-hatred ignores the truth and fuels itself. It sooner or later completely blinds the minds of it's victims, often for life. The only cure for is God's forgiveness which only comes through repentance.

Russophobia is very real and has been around for centuries, even before Elizabeth 1...the biggest hatred comes Anglo's. It is pure satanic evil, propagated by the father of lies, Satan himself.

It's when you hate something while knowing nothing about it other than the fact that you hate it, usually accompanied by a complete lack of desire to know or understand any more about it than that. It's hatred for the sake of hatred. It's hatred for no reason.

People that blindly hate are usually pretty ignorant and gullible, and probably a bit dumb too. Most of the time, all you have to do is say “this person or thing is bad" or “this person or thing is wrong” without any further context and you will have their utter and complete devotion. It's dangerous.

Blind hate is usually a starting point for other forms of hate, as these people will eventually develop reasons as to why they hate something, and it'll be whatever reasons their ringleaders give them. Once they're in this mindset, they usually stay in it for life.

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MoonroverPro1,973 posts
25 Sept 2023, 14:22
#18
25 Sept 2023, 14:22#18

Who was the CIA chap?

Larry Johnson

Patriot System Blown Up

Many mock the old vintage Soviet iron bombs yet they are more effective against the modern Patriot anyway since interception is much more difficult.

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SebPro2,680 posts
25 Sept 2023, 14:28
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25 Sept 2023, 14:28#19

Blind-hatred ignores the truth and fuels itself. It sooner or later completely blinds the minds of it's victims, often for life. The only cure for is God's forgiveness which only comes through repentance.

Russophobia is very real and has been around for centuries, even before Elizabeth 1...the biggest hatred comes Anglo's. It is pure satanic evil, propagated by the father of lies, Satan himself.

It's when you hate something while knowing nothing about it other than the fact that you hate it, usually accompanied by a complete lack of desire to know or understand any more about it than that. It's hatred for the sake of hatred. It's hatred for no reason.

People that blindly hate are usually pretty ignorant and gullible, and probably a bit dumb too. Most of the time, all you have to do is say “this person or thing is bad" or “this person or thing is wrong” without any further context and you will have their utter and complete devotion. It's dangerous.

Blind hate is usually a starting point for other forms of hate, as these people will eventually develop reasons as to why they hate something, and it'll be whatever reasons their ringleaders give them. Once they're in this mindset, they usually stay in it for life.

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CrusadersfanPro3,099 posts
25 Sept 2023, 14:37
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25 Sept 2023, 14:37#20

Don't know why any of you take either sides propaganda as gospel, it's a bloody war and both side lying through their teeth.

But if Russia was destroying so much equipment and personal why the fuck are they getting nowhere?

The (at the start of the war) 2nd biggest and powerful military has done nothing but cover itself in ignomy but some on here think they have smashed the Ukraine army to pieces (an army that was about 20th in the world.)

If its all Russia since day one why the fuck are they doing so bloody awful?

Long term they probably will succeed simply because of the vast numbers of personal they can put in the field (something Ukraine cannot hope to match)

Time and attrition is the Ukraines biggest enemy.

Just like any war it's a waste of a nation's youth not to mention its civilians. 

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
25 Sept 2023, 19:45
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25 Sept 2023, 19:45#21

"Just like any war it's a waste of a nation's youth not to mention its civilians. "

This war will remain in the Ukrainian psyche for a hundred years after it ends...like the Boer war did to us...the Ukrainian war is just exponentially worse...all the lives lost...generations crippled...why????

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MoonroverPro1,973 posts
25 Sept 2023, 20:15
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25 Sept 2023, 20:15#22

So ole Sad Sack is talkng to himself again. 

Remember those Sad Sack war comics with fat Sarge.

The people of Poland have developed sympathy fatigue for the Ukranian refugees now. Zinsky also pushing Poland to accept their grain etc.,not going down well, after all Poland has done the little Hitler pushes them further. 

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sharkbokCaptain23,197 posts
25 Sept 2023, 20:54
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25 Sept 2023, 20:54#23

30 Abrahams Tanks have arrived in Ukraine. Once the defensive lines have been breached, we are going to let them loose. Even more Leopard 2 due to arrive soon.  


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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
25 Sept 2023, 21:02
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25 Sept 2023, 21:02#24

Larry Johnson

Patriot System Blown Up

Many mock the old vintage Soviet iron bombs yet they are more effective against the modern Patriot anyway since interception is much more difficult.

Oh a link. Fair play that's more than Mike ever does.

So looking at the article he provides zero evidence to back up his claim. He doesn't even say he knows if the system was destroyed or under repair. Nor was the website able to verify his claim that the loss of a patriot system was the reason the US was not sending more.

And we have look up his track record he's another one making claims that "Woke Nato" will abandon Ukraine and that Ukraine has already lost. He was also has a spotty track record with other claims regarding the existence of a smear tape about Michelle Obama and he was also the source behind a claim on Fox and Friends that British signals intelligence services had wired taped Donald Trump. Later Fox disavowed the claim.

So forgive me if I don't think your source is credible.

Many mock the old vintage Soviet iron bombs yet they are more effective against the modern Patriot anyway since interception is much more difficult.

There have been reports the Russian Glide bombs are causing the Ukrainian's difficulties and its quite possible that Patriot is less effective against them, but their is no reports of Russia targeting Patriot air defense systems with them. I got the impression the Russian's where using them more towards the front line than at cities like Kyiv.

This war will remain in the Ukrainian psyche for a hundred years after it ends...like the Boer war did to us...the Ukrainian war is just exponentially worse...all the lives lost...generations crippled...why????

Because Putin thought Ukraine had no right to exist as an sovereign nation and that conquering it would be easy,

The people of Poland have developed sympathy fatigue for the Ukranian refugees now. Zinsky also pushing Poland to accept their grain etc.,not going down well, after all Poland has done the little Hitler pushes them further.

Little Hitler...seriously?


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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
25 Sept 2023, 21:11
#25
25 Sept 2023, 21:11#25

US president Joe Biden has told his Ukrainian counterpart Volodymyr Zelenskiy that the US will provide a small number of long-range missiles to help in Ukraine’s fight against Russia

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MoonroverPro1,973 posts
25 Sept 2023, 21:26
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25 Sept 2023, 21:26#26

So CIA guy supplies his reasoning and now Stav supplies his. 

I pick CIA reasoning. 

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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
25 Sept 2023, 21:47
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25 Sept 2023, 21:47#27
One weird dude: the implosion of former CIA analyst Larry Johnson https://sofrep.com/news/one-weird-dude-the-implosion-of-former-cia-analyst-larry-johnson/

Larry Johnson came onto my radar a few years back when I penned a book about Benghazi with Brandon Webb.  We were the first ones to really tell the story behind what happened that night in Libya, and it certainly caused a bit of a dust-up.  Larry Johnson took to his website and described us both as unwitting dupes who were being played for fools.

Now I know it is not nice to gloat, and I should not be smugly chuckling to myself here, but there is a kind of irony I can’t ignore in watching Larry Johnson implode in the national media.  Over time his blog (which has recently been removed from the internet) became a mecca of weird conspiracy theories and raving lunatic warnings.  Larry it seems, went way down the rabbit hole.


Larry Johnson is another one of those weird cats who is a “former” something (CIA analyst in this case who left the agency in the 90’s) who has become a media commentator.  Much like others I’ve profiled in the past, these people rely on an appeal to authority when they go on the news and insist that they have the truth because they have big three-letter agency background.

Previously, he had made the claim that there was an audio recording of Michelle Obama making statements about hating white people, a claim which turned out to be false.  The pièce de résistance came just recently though when Larry went on RT news, our favorite state-sponsored Russian propaganda outlet, to claim that British ntelligence was illegally spying on Donald Trump with John Brennan and Jim Clapper’s knowledge.  Larry also appeared on Info Wars with Alex Jones to make similar claims.  Judge Napolitano at Fox News took these claims at face value and reported them on-air.

In some interviews, Larry Johnson repeats a completely bullshit claim that the CIA spied on the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence.  SOFREP was the first to publish the real story on the Rendition, Detention, Interrogation network.

No less than Sean Spicer, the White House press secretary picked up on the claim after hearing it on Fox News from Judge Napolitano.  So here is the path that this information took: Larry Johnson>RT>Judge Nap>Fox News>Sean Spicer>White House.

The British government pushed back hard, stating, “Recent allegations made by media commentator Judge Andrew Napolitano about GCHQ being asked to conduct ‘wiretapping’ against the then president-elect are nonsense. They are utterly ridiculous and should be ignored.”  At this point, it is hard to say what is more scary, that Larry Johnson is used as a source for anything or that the White House repeats fictitious claims about our closest ally based on outlandish statements made by people like Johnson which are propagated by known Russian disinformation outlets.


Both Larry and Judge Nap seem to have tucked their turtle heads in and disappeared for the time being.  Hopefully in the future, Judge Nap will be a bit more cautious about where he gets his information from.  So should the White House.

As for Larry, brother, I can’t even…

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MoonroverPro1,973 posts
26 Sept 2023, 05:03
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26 Sept 2023, 05:03#29

Guess that's checkmate

Yay and if Ukraine wins the counter-offensive then the NATO dream has been realized.

Sorry, no more young able bodied men left in Ukraine though..... 

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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
26 Sept 2023, 05:34
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26 Sept 2023, 05:34#30

1,024 × 681

Ja the deNazification, .................

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MoonroverPro1,973 posts
26 Sept 2023, 05:46
#31
26 Sept 2023, 05:46#31

Your pics don't show up well on mobiles Blimp..... sorry

Meanwhile the Russian lancet drones are capable of 80km range now. One took out a Mig 29 few days ago at Dokgetsivo Air Base. Ukraine main air bases are now in range of these drones. 

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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
26 Sept 2023, 19:25
#32
26 Sept 2023, 19:25#32

Sorry, no more young able bodied men left in Ukraine though.....

How many Ukrainian's do you think have been killed and wounded?

Your pics don't show up well on mobiles Blimp..... sorry

Its a picture of a Ukrainan apartment block hit by a Russian missile

Meanwhile the Russian lancet drones are capable of 80km range now. One took out a Mig 29 few days ago at Dokgetsivo Air Base. Ukraine main air bases are now in range of these drones.

So you happen to know Ukraine's main airbases are within 80km of the front line? You must have access to better intelligence than Russia does.


MO
MoonroverPro1,973 posts
26 Sept 2023, 20:06
#33
26 Sept 2023, 20:06#33

"Its a picture of a Ukrainan apartment block hit by a Russian missile" 

Why isn't he concerned about the Ukranian missiles killing civilians. 


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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
26 Sept 2023, 20:08
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26 Sept 2023, 20:08#34
Russian channels are lighting up at the moment with report about a heavy 'escalation' in the Zaporizhzia region near Verbove and Novoprokopivka.
Apparently the Ukrainian's launched a massive artillery barrage and committed a lot of amour. This could be the Ukrainian's attempting to make a breakthrough.
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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
26 Sept 2023, 20:13
#35
26 Sept 2023, 20:13#35

Why isn't he concerned about the Ukranian missiles killing civilians.

Ukraine do not seem to be deliberately targeting civilians, the Russian's seem to on the other hand, or their incompetent or both.

Every civilian that dies at the hands of Ukrainian fire, the blame can be placed solely at the door of Vladimir Putin. If he hadn't started this war and it was his decision alone, no one innocent on either side would of been killed because of it.

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MoonroverPro1,973 posts
26 Sept 2023, 20:24
#36
26 Sept 2023, 20:24#36

Ukraine do not seem to be deliberately targeting civilians, the Russian's seem to on the other hand, or their incompetent or both.

You're a joke

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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
26 Sept 2023, 20:46
#37
26 Sept 2023, 20:46#37
You're a joke
That mirror must be hard to look in.
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MoonroverPro1,973 posts
26 Sept 2023, 21:26
#38
26 Sept 2023, 21:26#38

Stick to your Sad Sack comics... sorry before your time.... stick rather then to your Topgun movies. 

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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
26 Sept 2023, 22:28
#39
26 Sept 2023, 22:28#39

I'll stick to reality.

MO
MoonroverPro1,973 posts
27 Sept 2023, 04:23
#40
27 Sept 2023, 04:23#40

Yes Zinsky is your reality....your guide to the fuehrer galaxy.

BTW Polish investigators confirm the missile that fell in Poland and killed 2 people and that Zinsky denied, was a sv500 5v55 Ukro missile.Pretty accurate hey... How many more missfired missiles.... killing his own population... if one missile ended up in Poland... do the maths

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