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The Biden administration creates a dangerous turn of events

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SebPro2,680 posts
29 Mar 2023, 10:16
#41
29 Mar 2023, 10:16#41

Plum, AI is a trap to enslave us, to dehumanise and kill our spirit and soul and make us into obedient robots.

Elon Musk once said this:

https://youtu.be/Tzb_CSRO-0g

Thanks for warning us, Elon.

Many a true word spoken in jest!


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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
29 Mar 2023, 10:24
#42
29 Mar 2023, 10:24#42

Plum

I agree with you - the ultra-rich use the internet platforms and decided to control news and brainwashing of people - Trump was just an obstacle to their ideas and they had to fight him totally to ensure their prominence in the USA.   The media was largely taken over by the same capitalists  who believe that the people should believe what they are told what to believe.

Trump was just an obstacle to their agenda and was like the Mafia always stated "a pebble in their shoes that needed to be eliminated.  They did not mind whether their campaign was based on the truth - so both the media and the internet platforms became a source of ever-increasing lies.   Any political leader in the USA that is regarded as an obstacle to their program will be dealt with by the moguls on the same basis as they did to Trump.

So to blame Trump for the division is shallow BS only Rooinek can come up with.    The real fascists today are in both the USA and in China - and they are the ones who should be blamed for divisiveness in the USA and in the World.                      

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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
29 Mar 2023, 11:04
#43
29 Mar 2023, 11:04#43

The Ground News app is pretty interesting.

Its an app that shows news headlines from around the world and displays the media outlets covering the story and also a percentage the political leanings of the media outlets that's covering a particular story.

So for example there is a new story about Brazil hitting 700,000 Covid deaths, 2nd highest int he world.

40% of the media reporting that story are on the political left. 50% are in the center and 10% are on the right. 

So you can see if a particular story is primarily being covered by one side of the political spectrum and largely being ignored by the other.

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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
29 Mar 2023, 13:06
#44
29 Mar 2023, 13:06#44
"Had Trump been president in a world without these social media algorithms, his term wouldn't have been near as divisive. "
Naive rubbish.
Absolute bollocks.
Choose one.
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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
29 Mar 2023, 13:09
#45
29 Mar 2023, 13:09#45

Just visited Ground News. An excellent site that I will be visiting on a regular basis. Thanks Stav.

ButtPlug should go take a look. The first article I saw is right up his . . . ummm . . . alley.

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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
29 Mar 2023, 16:12
#46
29 Mar 2023, 16:12#46
Lol when Rooi claims the obvious is bollocks. If I only gave enough of a shyte to dismantle him yet again. I’ll also. heck out your site, Star.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
29 Mar 2023, 17:00
#47
29 Mar 2023, 17:00#47

Stav

I want to thank you for the info on Ground News and will look at it since it seems to be rather centrist in their outlook.   I may mention I asked what their comments were on the Trump-Putin collusion story and it became clear that the whole issue was a political witch hunt without any basis whatsoever and the issue of Russian platform contributions were hogwash,   Read that article and maybe you should realize you were taken for a ride on that issue.    

Howeve3r, I would keep looking at Ground News in future to see how balanced news could be used on this site.        

     

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
29 Mar 2023, 17:15
#48
29 Mar 2023, 17:15#48

Rooinek

You repeated  all your hogwash on collusion between Trump and Putin and I would advise you to read up what Woodward said about the issue.        


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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
29 Mar 2023, 20:21
#49
29 Mar 2023, 20:21#49

I want to thank you for the info on Ground News and will look at it since it seems to be rather centrist in their outlook.

Mike, you're missing the point. Grounds News doesn't produce its own content so its not suppose to have any political outlook, be it left, right or center,

Basically they look at any particularly news story and they look at the political bias of media organizations (determined by 3 independent news monitoring organizations) covering that particular story  and then assign the news story a political bias rating. This way you can see if the new story is being mostly covered by left leaning, right leaning or centrist media or if its been evenly covered.

They also list who owns a particularly media source and if they have a low, mixed or high rating for reporting events factually.



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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
29 Mar 2023, 20:23
#50
29 Mar 2023, 20:23#50

Rating from whom?

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
30 Mar 2023, 03:52
#52
30 Mar 2023, 03:52#52

Don't confuse Rooinek with anything scientific - he does not understand anything as advanced as latest issue Plum raised and is easily misled by lies and distortions. 

   

 

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SebPro2,680 posts
30 Mar 2023, 08:06
#53
30 Mar 2023, 08:06#53
Musk demands AI pauseMore than 1,100 professionals agree that the race between researchers poses ‘profound risks to society and humanity’©  AFP / Jim Watson

More than 1,100 AI researchers, tech luminaries, and other futurists have signed an open letter demanding a six-month moratorium on “giant AI experiments” since the text was posted by the nonprofit Future of Life Institute last week.

Notable signatories of the letter include Tesla CEO Elon Musk, Apple co-founder Steve Wozniak, and transhumanist historian Yuval Noah Harari. 

The correspondence warns that “AI systems with human-competitive intelligence can pose profound risks to society and humanity.” It also insists that rapidly advancing technology should be “planned for and managed with commensurate care and resources,” rather than allowing an “out-of-control race to develop and deploy ever more powerful digital minds that no one – not even their creators – can understand, predict, or reliably control.”

Read more Elon Musk spars with Bill Gates over AI

Rather than risk losing control of a potentially civilization-ending technology, stakeholders in the AI field should “jointly develop and implement a set of shared safety protocols for advanced AI design and development that are rigorously audited and overseen by independent outside experts,” the institute suggests, pausing the development until those protocols are in place. Safety “beyond a reasonable doubt” rather than innovation at all costs should be the goal, it said.

Powerful AI systems should be developed only once we are confident that their effects will be positive and their risks will be manageable,” the letter continues, while developers should refocus their energies on “making today’s powerful state-of-the-art systems more accurate, safe, interpretable, transparent, robust, aligned, trustworthy and loyal.”

If the developers can’t govern themselves, governments must step in, creating regulatory bodies capable of reining in runaway systems, funding safety research, and softening the economic blow when super intelligent systems begin gobbling up human jobs in earnest, the letter states. 

Musk has long warned about the dangers of AI, predicting in 2020 that the singularity – the point at which machine intelligence eclipses that of humans – would arrive by 2025 and that humans risk ending up as supercomputers’ pets. He initially proposed the Neuralink brain-computer interface as a tool to give humanity a competitive edge against AI.

The billionaire was also one of the founders of OpenAI, the company behind the breakthrough large language model ChatGPT. However, he left the company in 2018, dismissing it as a profit-milking venture co-opted by Microsoft. Musk’s rival (and Microsoft founder) Bill Gates, whose name was absent from the open letter as of Wednesday, has embraced OpenAI, recently declaring that “the Age of AI has begun.” ChatGPT now powers Microsoft’s Bing search engine.

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
30 Mar 2023, 09:18
#54
30 Mar 2023, 09:18#54

What ever could go wrong?

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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
30 Mar 2023, 10:29
#55
30 Mar 2023, 10:29#55
People are always shocked when I say i don’t have a single social media account. To be honest, I’m less afraid of AI then I am of algorithms created to keep one clicking. I know there is some crossover, but it’s not accurate to lump social media algorithms and general AI into the same category. It’s worth understanding the difference between the two.
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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
30 Mar 2023, 11:24
#56
30 Mar 2023, 11:24#56

Ruckersforum is a social media platform...WhatsApp too...of sorts.

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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
30 Mar 2023, 12:58
#57
30 Mar 2023, 12:58#57

Say that again and I might delete my profile here 

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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
30 Mar 2023, 13:26
#58
30 Mar 2023, 13:26#58
"Say that again and I might delete my profile here"
Ruckersforum is a social media platform.
Ruckersforum is a social media platform.
Ruckersforum is a social media platform.
Ruckersforum is a social media platform.
Ruckersforum is a social media platform.
Ruckersforum is a social media platform.
Ruckersforum is a social media platform.
Ruckersforum is a social media platform.


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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
30 Mar 2023, 14:10
#59
30 Mar 2023, 14:10#59
Somebody going senile?
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
30 Mar 2023, 14:11
#60
30 Mar 2023, 14:11#60

Plum

Don't get involved in an argument with an idiot.   

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SebPro2,680 posts
30 Mar 2023, 14:48
#61
30 Mar 2023, 14:48#61

Sgt. Peeper and his lonely farts club band.

"Don't really want to stop the show

But I thought you might like to know

That the singers going to sing his song

And he wants you to sing along"


Mike, yeah for sure, the best way is to ignore the baiting of the sick and twisted trolls

You also get dragged down to their levels and become a fool yourself.


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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
30 Mar 2023, 15:12
#62
30 Mar 2023, 15:12#62

The difference is if Elon Musk was a Russian or Chinese he would never be able to make the statements he does. In Russia he would buy it in some hotel, from some chemical ‘accidentally’ingested. 

And the best Chinese example is Jack Ma founder of Alibaba, who went into self imposed exile for the mildest of criticisms and just now, after a year, feels safe enough to appear in China, because they need him.

Why the blue blazes would anybody want to live in those two countries?

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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
30 Mar 2023, 15:26
#63
30 Mar 2023, 15:26#63
Agreed, Moz. Dictatorships assume that the crowd don’t know better than the individual. Playing devil’s advocate for a moment, perhaps if a dictator was chosen via some system that proved they were in the top 0.001% smartest and best at decision making, then one could argue for it. Even then, it’s a 50/50 whether that person could be trusted because being smart and an excellent decision makers doesn’t negate personal greed, low morals or being an evil tosspot. Without invoking technological means, it’s very difficult, impossible actually, to come up with a system that is better for more people in a society than democracy and the right to free speech. Further evidence is that most people want to live in countries where they can have their say and not be persecuted by their governments for daring to have original thoughts or disagreeing with the boss.
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
30 Mar 2023, 15:45
#64
30 Mar 2023, 15:45#64

Some of the most intelligent people come up with some of the nuttiest ideas. Committees become self serving. Democracy is the safest solution.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
30 Mar 2023, 17:58
#65
30 Mar 2023, 17:58#65

Mozart

I agree with you about Democracy - but I am dubious about forms of abuse that is now moe prevalent than ever before in respect of  the USA>  Let me explain - abuse using the CIA and FBI to do what the KGB did under Stalin - the indoctrination of children in school - the woke ideas in the military, which has zero to do with defense of the USA other than to weaken it capabilities - the falsification of data - the open border policy which is illegal - to name a few patently unconstitutional abuses.   

Another and even more serious problem is driving up the budget shortages and taxation that have the potential to kill development of new businesses and  create unemployment coupled to spending being inflationary are endangering the concept of Democracy.

Maybe  you should relocate to Monte Carlo - you may soon find that you have armed staff from Revenue services visiting you to press the las r few cents out of you.             

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SebPro2,680 posts
30 Mar 2023, 20:03
#66
30 Mar 2023, 20:03#66

The perception is so often tainted by the hubris syndrome.  The rule of the hegemon is coming down.

We rather believe the lies, half truths and hearsay propagated by self imposed ignorance who have never been there, let alone lived there. Mike has had short visit to Soviet Union but Russian Federation is a far cry from USSR.

Our perceptions have been further indoctrinated by Hollywood. Nothing is more laughable than this perverted organisation infiltrated by tail gunners and oyster divers than Russian characters. Just a few the films of Dr Zhivago, the World at War series and a film called Stalin. Omar Sharif, for instance does not even look like anything Russian, neither do Russian Generals have beards (forbidden in army) or Robert Duvall portrayal of Soviet leader is a joke.

The west has become conditioned to untruths and manipulation that people that stand against it, ie Julian Assange, are sentenced to over 100 years in jail, for exposing real and actual atrocities committed by US soldiers in Iraq. The invasion itself was motivated by the biggest outright lie by Bush junior...that they had weapons of mass destruction. It still does not seem to bother western conscience, neither the obliteration of Belgrade by Nato, ordered by Bill Clinton.

You better believe it, pay day is coming...even people in the west are starting to wake up, at least those that honour truth more their wellbeing, not many yet but it is going to come out for sure...the CIA and MI6 cannot disguise it and hide it under the table for ever.



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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
30 Mar 2023, 20:34
#67
30 Mar 2023, 20:34#67

I’m down to my last few cents….damn!

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
30 Mar 2023, 20:41
#68
30 Mar 2023, 20:41#68

‘ The invasion itself was motivated by the biggest outright lie by Bush junior...that they had weapons of mass destruction.’


Have you ever thought how illogical this statement is. Bush knew the truth about WMD would be revealed once US troops occupied Iraq. But he sent them in, knowing his claims would be proved false.

Now Junior is a very devout Christian and a pretty straight shooter. His issue is smarts, or the lack thereof…even if he has Biden by 20 IQ points.

What was the upside for Bush in perpetrating this lie, at best he would look naive, at worst dishonest. Why would any president voluntarily destroy his own reputation.

Nope this whole thing was much like the Russia collusion thing, the intelligence community got persuaded by Iraq exiles who had a legitimate purposes and they fed Bush poor information. Sadly he was too naive to ask the questions his father would have asked,

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
31 Mar 2023, 06:40
#69
31 Mar 2023, 06:40#69

and he had Cheney warmongering him from behind....

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SebPro2,680 posts
31 Mar 2023, 08:35
#70
31 Mar 2023, 08:35#70

Mozart, "Now Junior is a very devout Christian and a pretty straight shooter."

If that is true then it is good news.

However true conversion or being born again, comes with the fruit of repentance and turning away from the "old, ie die to self and the " old man", admitting your sin and iniquities and doing your best to rectify and make compensation to those you hurt. That is true repentance. But it sometimes takes time to change completely and that's God's business only, only He can look deep inside an individual and sees his heart.

However it is not our job to judge, only God can do that and yes it might be true, however being a public figure of great responsibility, he needs to publicly admit this and apologise to those he damaged at least. That's not my words but the words of Christ ,the redeemer himself..." ye shall know them by their fruit".

The unbelievers look at many so called "christians" and ridicule and mock this.

I sincerely hope that George W Bush is saved...that's the good news. Healing from forgiveness is greatest gift of all.

We should pray for our enemies and those that hate us. It has more power than anything.



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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
31 Mar 2023, 08:54
#71
31 Mar 2023, 08:54#71


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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
31 Mar 2023, 09:48
#72
31 Mar 2023, 09:48#72

I think that Bush Was led by Cheyne - who through Haliburton made a fortune during the War.  He also trusted Mueller - who presented a report on the WMD to the Senate and we all know how reliable an idiot that one was and still is.     The latter also apparently persuaded Bush that Al Qaeda  had ties to Hussein - which was also a load of BS  that was.     

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
31 Mar 2023, 09:59
#73
31 Mar 2023, 09:59#73

hat the hell is that archBSter Biden up to?    China is expanding its navy adding new and very modern ships to its fleet - biden si curtting the number of US Warships in operation down  by about 25%.    It is amazing how Biden is dancing according to the tune prescribed by President Xi - nice for the latter to have an obedient corrupt puppet in the WH .    

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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
31 Mar 2023, 12:21
#74
31 Mar 2023, 12:21#74

Assuming there was no plan and that Bush/Blair operated on information that they both believed to be true when it actually wasn't.

There are still a good few questions. Like, what kind of momentum for war must have existed for more reasonable voices to have been ignored? 

It's not like they took up a restaurant recommendation that turned out to be a dud. This was the mobilization of two of the most advanced militaries in the world. 

One would think that starting a war would require hard and undeniable evidence.

There is also the obvious, which is that weapons inspectors didn't simply look at satellite images and draft a letter saying that Iraq had nukes. There were many sites visited and many thousands of pages of reports compiled. We now know that they never found WMDs so none of those pages should have contained any evidence whatsoever for them. This leaves two options...either the falsification of reports or the ignoring of accurate reports by administrators in the West.

They started a war that killed upward of half a million innocent people but never faced any consequences. When one considers the money spent on that war, the lives lost, and what it ended up causing afterward, it makes no sense that nobody would be held accountable. This from Politico...

“While the threat posed by a nuclear-armed Iraq was at the heart of the administration's case for war, the JCS report conceded: “Our knowledge of the Iraqi (nuclear) weapons program is based largely—perhaps 90%—on analysis of imprecise intelligence.”

The rationale for the invasion has long since been discredited, but the JCS report, now declassified, which a former Bush administration official forwarded in December, nevertheless has implications for both sides in the 2016 presidential race, in particular the GOP candidates who are relying for foreign policy advice on some of the architects of the war, and the Democratic front-runner, who once again is coming under fire from her primary opponent for supporting the invasion.

Then-Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz, whose military assistant was on the short list of people copied on the JCS report, is one of Jeb Bush’s foreign policy experts. Other supporters of the war, though they do not appear to have been aware of the JCS report, are involved in the various advisory roles in the 2016 campaign. John Bolton, former U.S. ambassador to the United Nations, is advising Ted Cruz; and Elliott Abrams and William Kristol are supporting Marco Rubio, whom Reuters reported is also briefed regularly by former Cheney adviser Eric Edelman.”

Above all else, what makes me doubt the official story the most is the fact that nobody has faced any charges for what was the biggest act of negligence I've seen in my lifetime. 



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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
31 Mar 2023, 13:14
#75
31 Mar 2023, 13:14#75

Assuming there was no plan and that Bush/Blair operated on information that they both believed to be true when it actually wasn't.

There are still a good few questions. Like, what kind of momentum for war must have existed for more reasonable voices to have been ignored?

Bush may have believed the information presented to him was true, but I reckon that's because he wanted to believe it, he was set on conflict with Saddam, so was happy to except whatever evidence was presented before him .

Blair just wanted to ensure the UK was lock step in tow with the US to preserve the special relationship.
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SebPro2,680 posts
31 Mar 2023, 13:33
#76
31 Mar 2023, 13:33#76

Plum, did you know that US American soldiers are exempt from prosecution for war crimes (I guess that applies to leaders too) under American Service Members Protection Act, Section 820.

See the gross double standards and hypocrisy here.

That is one of the reasons, the hegemon rule is actually an abomination. What applies to one should apply to all.

See the Monroe Doctrine passed in 1823, too.

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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
31 Mar 2023, 13:52
#77
31 Mar 2023, 13:52#77

I can see how after 9/11 the West had to be seen to respond. and how Iraq was possibly an obvious target. Like getting sucker punched in a bar and lashing out at the nearest person because you're surprised and not thinking straight. But that's about as good a steelman argument I can make. 

What I do know is that if negligently run somebody over, just one person, I'm going to jail, and so are you.  


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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
31 Mar 2023, 16:18
#78
31 Mar 2023, 16:18#78

Some very valid points. I remember thinking at the time it was a vast mistake. But I come back to my basic argument, Bush’s presidency was destroyed by Iraq and the fall of Lehman brothers, both of which  were huge policy mistakes. That said if he knew it was a lie, the certain consequences were very apparent.

The propensity to invade existed since the allies never invaded in the Kuwait war. But the more potent factor was 9/11. That was a huge shock to America’s sense of security….followed by other weird things like the mail poisonings. The country was on edge.

That’s not an excuse, just an explanation.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
31 Mar 2023, 17:24
#79
31 Mar 2023, 17:24#79

Mozart

My comments on the issue of recent budget increases and increases in taxation was rather with it being rather comical in the way I put it.   

I think the budget proposals are dead on arrival in the House unless there are some compromises agreed to.    Even that would be extremely difficult to achieve.   Will Biden be a lame duck present for the next 20 months?    Some Democrat House members are not happy with what the Biden Administration is up to - they know that Biden wants to do  is for the birds and will cost them their seats in 2022.

I think tax increases are normally not really effecting the major business owners - they pass the impact of taxation to the consumers - so it is another vehicle that would drive up inflation as well.   

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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
01 Apr 2023, 12:56
#80
01 Apr 2023, 12:56#80
Yeah, I get what your saying Moz. There’s no mistaking that Saddam was an evil so and so. The sooner he was gotten rid of the better. And that would be true with or without 9/11 having occurred. The stories of his sons tuning up at weddings and killing the groom to then take the bride off to be raped and have God knows worse done to her. My position is purely based on what i think i know. Which is quite obviously a million miles away from what strategists in West actually know. There’s always more information to add and always different perspectives to assume. So, while I take my position, I’m ever aware of the fact that it’s easy to criticise from the sidelines while not actually having a better solution one self. In the West we are lucky to be able to openly talk about things like holding leaders accountable. Which tells you all you need to know about the other side.
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