The Breaking of the Ukraine Fellowship of the Ring?

Fractures are appearing in the support of Ukraine:

1. Poland is not sending arms - Agriculture trade dispute.

2. Slovakia has appointed a Russian Stooge as president.

3. The US government might shut down which will freeze military spend on Ukraine.

4. Ukraine is complaining that they have not been given enough arms to finish the job.

5. The ex-war minister of the UK was complaining about Ukraine treating them like Amazon

6, Opposition from taxpayers of Western countries in a forever war. 

7. Allegations of corruption in Ukraine (e.g. from petty theft to draft bribes - and possibly more - e.g. some may be Russian-paid agents that are sabotaging the war effort). 

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This could all turn into an even bigger mess. If Ukraine lose, they could engulfed in Russian propaganda saying the West caused the war, not Putin. 
Ukraine could say they lost because they expected more military support from the West like jets to make counterattacks.
Ukraine would become part of Russia, and Belgrade would soon follow suit, And suddenly Russia is over 200 million people. 

The only option is to give the Ukrainians more long-range weapons to attack in winter.
No attack in Winter will give Putin time to lay more mines and dragon scales.

SB

Your comments are 600% shit  -   IT IS CLEAR rUSSIA DID NOT WANT THE wAR AND THE UJSA enginnered it.   

SB

Your comments are 600% shit  - it is proven by signed treaties that Russia did not want any war and did not want to incorporate any part of Ukraine into Russia.     While Putin tried to deal with the issue through negotiation the USA did everything in their power to sabotage  peaceful settlement in Ukraine. after installing a proxy Government in Kiev. 

Support for a war will diminish the longer it continues. Without US funding this war is over. How much longer can the US fund it?

S B

No - the reality of the USA in sabotaging  peaceful settlement of the issues leading to the Ukraine War is hitting the USA image hard.in Europe and is getting worse every day the war last longer.  Next yhear th e present corrupt reginme in Washington wiill end and with that the war in Ukraine will end as well.    The world wants peace - the UJSA wants destabilizing wars and that will cause massive damage to Governments still supporting the USA in Europe despite media lies to the contrary.   The USA has gone rogue through participating in Ukraininan  corruption by US politicians.            .       

1. Poland is not sending arms - Agriculture trade dispute.

Poland probably doesn't have a huge amount left to give to Ukraine anyway but I'd expect that after the parliamentary elections on the 15th of October Poland will go back to backing Ukraine even if the current government remains in power. Whatever disagreements Poland has with Ukraine no one in Poland wants a Ukrainian puppet state controlled by Russia on its border.

2. Slovakia has appointed a Russian Stooge as president.

Not a good development for Ukraine, but again did Slovakia have much left to send Ukraine?

3. The US government might shut down which will freeze military spend on Ukraine.

Thought this had been averted.

4. Ukraine is complaining that they have not been given enough arms to finish the job.

Yes and rightfully so, but this is nothing new they have been saying this for month.

5. The ex-war minister of the UK was complaining about Ukraine treating them like Amazon

This happened months ago and he got criticized for it back home. He's also no longer in the role and has retired from politics after he was overlooked for the top role at NATO.

6, Opposition from taxpayers of Western countries in a forever war.

Nothing new here.

7. Allegations of corruption in Ukraine (e.g. from petty theft to draft bribes - and possibly more - e.g. some may be Russian-paid agents that are sabotaging the war effort).

Again there is nothing new here. Ukraine has a reputation for corruption but Ukraine has made very public efforts in trying to combat it during the war as combating is not only in their interests in ensuring all the aid they receive gets to the front and they have access to all the manpower they should have but will also assist in their goal of joining the EU.

tav

Studying  history is good n this case.  Western Ukraine was for centuries part of he Polish Commonwealth and he Poles are very much aware of that.      The story of grain is just a pretense to take a route that might save he Polish Government in the upcoming parliamentary election where the Polish relationship with Ukraine is an importunate issue,    Things were not going well for the Governing Party in opinion polls on that issue and the armaments move is just a Polish political move and irrespective of whilzst happened the co-operation between Poland and Ukraine is an issue where Poland see a return of Polish areas like Lvov to Poland.   

As to the debt ceiling issue the debt ceiling that was under considering did not allow for any money for Ukraine assistance - Biden lie about what the increased debt ceiling would be used for and hid that component from the Republicans under a phony heading. The Republicans found out about it and cause the unseating of the Speaker involved with negotiations with the WH.    The ex-speaker claimed aid to Ukraine was not part of he increased debt ceiling negotiations  - he obviously believed thee was still a whisp of honesty left in the Biden Administration.   If Biden tries  and transfer money from what he originally included in the negotiations any such transfer as use of assistance aid to Ukraine will not get the support of the House and is likely to end up in the courts.    The Republicans are aware of the opinion polls in the USA to the effect that further aid to Ukraine  while the USA is in many respect in chaos is a no-no. 

It is not only corruption in Ukraine that is an issue in the USA  - i is Ukrainian-related corruption in the USA that is becoming a major political issue.            

DumbMike you can read history, but you don't understand it. As with everything, you just cherry-pick stats that support your own opinion.

You decide what you want the answer to be, before you "study" history so you confirm your beliefs - not the facts

Learn from History and do not make the same mistakes as was made in  the past.   I think part of he hated of Poles for Ukrainians stemmed from their conduct in WW2 when Ukrainians commitee crime against mankind in co-operation with the Waffen SS and committed crimes in Poland.    Ukraine.  Do you really think that the Poles forgave the Ukrainians for those crimes committed against both Jewish and other Poles.

The folowing story came from an American whose father and mother were killed in WW2 by the Ukrainians working for the SS.   According to her the Germans would killed the prioners by a single shot.- the Ukrainians murdered them by torturing them to death,

For the rest my deductions from History as always been 100% correct and iro he upcoming elections there is really no love ;ost  between the Poles and the Ukrainians.   The Polish Gocvverning party realized that liaisonb with the Poles would cost themn the election.  So despite US presssure they are not goibng to send more ams or for that amntte any ther aid to UKraibne in fitire ,    .   

I hear lots of Ukranian soldiers surrender daily...any truth to this...I don't follow the war much...too s ad.

The first two links are of the same reported surrender.

And in your link to google search results, the first result is about how old photo's of Ukrainian troops surrendering was from the siege of Mariupol from over a year ago and how it was being misreported

The first video link was of Russian troops surrendering.

Yes there is video footage of small numbers of Ukrainian soldiers surrendering but a quick search of Russian soldiers surrendering, you will find numerous examples of that as well.

but what is true ios that ukraine does nt treat wouded soldoers and do not support units ubnder attack.   leaving troops in a h opeless situation where surrendering is the only thing they can do to save their l

So says the Kremlin parrot.

 S tacv

It was what SB refer to as well.  However the norm is that when Russian soldiers surrender it is headline news - tf Ukraine soldiers surrender it is not true.

By the way I saw a video recording how a French volunteer (a military medical assistant) went to Ukraine to help them in their war. Knowing protocols as to treatment of POW's he was present when the Asov battalion brought POW's into the hall where he was working.    He recorded what happened  to them on his cell-phone. After bringing the POW's into the hall. each of them in the knee.   They  showed them a  photo of somebody and asked every POW whether they know whose photo it was.  Some knew whom photo it was and they them executed them.  The others who did not know whose photo it was was then executed also.

Realizing he was in serious danger when working with terrorists he fled to Hungary and from there to France.    The result of the evidence he produced the  US Defense Department admitted there are war crimes committed by the Ukrainians as well and the man is still in hiding in France 

The unfortunate part is the CIA helped the Ukraine Presidency to compile a list of prominent people in the media and in public who criticize the war and the  conduct of the Ukraine Government.    Apparently the Ukraine Government put a price on the heads of each of the people on the Ukraine death list.

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It was what SB refer to as well.  However the norm is that when Russian soldiers surrender it is headline news - tf Ukraine soldiers surrender it is not true.

I haven't seen any headline news about Russian soldiers surrendering, its occasionally mentioned in news stories though, but never the headline. So your talking rubbish. And yes absolutely Ukrainan troops have surrender but not on the scale Russia propagandists have suggested.

By the way I saw a video recording how a French volunteer (a military medical assistant) went to Ukraine to help them in their war. Knowing protocols as to treatment of POW's he was present when the Asov battalion brought POW's into the hall where he was working.    He recorded what happened  to them on his cell-phone. After bringing the POW's into the hall. each of them in the knee.   They  showed them a  photo of somebody and asked every POW whether they know whose photo it was.  Some knew whom photo it was and they them executed them.  The others who did not know whose photo it was was then executed also.

Realizing he was in serious danger when working with terrorists he fled to Hungary and from there to France.    The result of the evidence he produced the  US Defense Department admitted there are war crimes committed by the Ukrainians as well and the man is still in hiding in France

Complete horseshit.

https://www.stopfake.org/en/how-the-frenchman-adrien-bocquet-whitewashed-russian-war-crimes-in-bucha-2/

The unfortunate part is the CIA helped the Ukraine Presidency to compile a list of prominent people in the media and in public who criticize the war and the  conduct of the Ukraine Government.    Apparently the Ukraine Government put a price on the heads of each of the people on the Ukraine death list.

More rubbish.

Poor ouMaaik's merely part of Russia's social media propaganda war team ................. like blaming the US for the invasion. Total madness but retold by every neo-nazi fascist who supports Russia's genocide in Ukraine..

What sick f'dup mindset cheers on the extermination of a sovereign nation ?

Aformer Ukrainian presidential adviser has described Kyiv’s stalled counter-offensive as a “disaster” and accused Volodymyr Zelensky of making strategic mistakes.

Oleksiy Arestovych said that Mr Zelensky and his military commanders have failed to break through Russian lines and that Ukraine now needed a new leader.

Mr Arestovych said that rather than get sucked into battles around Bakhmut in the eastern Donetsk region, the Ukrainian army should have concentrated on breaking through the southern frontlines and preparing its own defences.

“They are not telling the truth. There will be no return to the borders of 1991, and there will be no Crimea in the near future,” he said.

Mr Arestovych resigned in January as a presidential adviser after a row over the effectiveness of Ukraine’s air defence systems.

This week, Ukrainian prosecutors opened an investigation into Mr Arestovych for comments that allegedly promote violence against women. He has denied the allegations.

A former adviser to Volodymyr Zelensky has described Ukraine's counter-offensive as a wasted opportunity - APAImages/Shutterstock

A former adviser to Volodymyr Zelensky has described Ukraine's counter-offensive as a wasted opportunity 

In a statement released on X, formerly known as Twitter, Mr Arestovych said that Mr Zelensky had made “corrupt and inadequate decisions”, and described the counter-offensive as a wasted opportunity.

 Ukraine FM says donor 'tiredness' growing as war drags on and Ukraine's Finance minister expressed his concerns about the situation

Behind the strategic mistakes in the field loom strategic mistakes in public administration, foreign and domestic policy,” he said.

Public criticism of Mr Zelensky in Ukraine is rare, although after 20 months of war frustrations are growing. The US wants Ukraine to hold a presidential election next year, as scheduled, and has also encouraged Mr Zelensky to clamp down on corruption.

Some Western officials have also said that Ukraine’s Nato-backed counter-offensive has failed as it has only managed to recapture a sliver of territory along the extensive frontline.

“Now we are at an impasse. The Russians can’t defeat us, we can’t defeat them,” he said.

It’s an assessment shared by Vladimir Putin, who took time out from meetings with leaders of former Soviet states in Kyrgyzstan, to tell a pro-Kremlin interviewer that Ukraine’s counter-offensive had failed.

“Our forces are improving their positions in almost every area,” Putin said on Sunday.

They should put the two cocky dictators in a ring to fight it out between the two of them. It's always these dwarfish idiots causing the gigantic troubles of the world.

“Now we are at an impasse. The Russians can’t defeat us, we can’t defeat them,” he said.

Well, I asked months ago whether there are any achievable military goals for Ukraine. Apparently not, but the cheerleaders kept cheering. This is now senseless death and destruction. Cut a deal. NATO countries won't touch Russia, so Ukraine is just being thrown to the wolves now.

It is a disaster, it has left world relations in tatters. Ukraine are going to be at war forever, because even if they cede land to Putin, the medium term plan will be to incorporate the rest of Ukraine into Russia.

"This is now senseless death and destruction."

Interesting statement, so the last 21 months were sensible death and destruction?

Well Ukraine has just received new ATACMS missiles from the USA with a 500km range that they used against Russian air bases in the last few days apparently. If true then the Russians may have some trouble coming.

There was every opportunity to have a settlement that would have recognized the borders of Ukraine as it was in 2015 when the Minsk agreement was signed.    There was two further conditions though.   The one was drafting a new Constitution for Ukraine and holding a referendum to approve same.    The other condition was no NATO membership of Ukraine.   The USA would have nothing of it and sabotaged the Minsk agreement.

So why should that have been.  There are potentially  2 reasons for that.   One is that Biden, Pelosi, Schumer and  Clinton was up to their neck in corruption in Ukraine.  Biden even got - as was proven  got $5 million from Burisma for firing  the Ukraine prosecutor that was investigating Burisma while Hunter Biden was serving on the Board of the company.   The second reason was warmongering by Schiff whose election expenses were paid by Stepanek - a huge recipient of aid from the USA.   Pelosi son Paul and his Russian Partner was invovled in oil and gas exploration ion Eastern Ukraine.   They were all on the take of kickbacks fcrom US Aid projects in Ukraine.   The other is that Eastern Ukraine has vast oil and gas reserves andx the US wanted that badly.   

A fortnight before starting of the Russiabn Invasion Macron went to Moscow and  tried to get a peace treaty together.   All Putin wanted was to have the Minsk accord implemented, and Zelenskyy signed an ageement on the issue already signed by Putin.   But the US A wanted the war and told Ukraine to abort the agreement.    

A peace treaty now will mean the Ukraine will lose Eastern Ukraine and potentially also Odessa and Kharkov as well.   It is too late to save the original border of Ukraine and the signs are bad for Zelenskyy as well.    I think a coup is brewing  in Ukraine by the army commanders.   

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Interesting statement, so the last 21 months were sensible death and destruction?

Nothing sensible about war, but if you have an achievable objective, you'll have to sacrifice lives to achieve that. To keep throwing men into the grinder when there is nothing more to be gained is senseless. But that's not my decision to make, if Ukrainians are happy to keep dying I guess they can carry on as long as they want.

Stav

The US Army command has admitted that the Asov Battallion committed war crimes - the evidence was clear and provided by the volunteer who went to Ukraine and fled from there when it became clear what was happening.    .  

You believe propaganda BS and the stories spread by Ukraine. - so one can call it stupid.   Was there a real investigation of what happened in Bucha?    The bodies were found near to a week after the Russians withdrew from the area - so who did the killing?        

To keep throwing men into the grinder when there is nothing more to be gained is senseless

And you know this to be a fact?

Which part, Stav? That there is nothing more to be gained? Nope, I don't.

Well here is the thing, people have been saying the same thing for a long time. When the war first began, people said Ukraine had no chance. When it became clear that Russia had failed in the early phase of the war and had to withdraw from the North of Ukraine, people then said, well this is as good as its going get for Ukraine, they have no chance of pushing Russia back any further they should negotiate. Then Ukraine achieved its successes at Kharkiv and Kherson.

While its true that Ukraine's current offensive has not progressed as many would of liked, its still not over yet. Ukraine still have a potential pathway to render the so called land bridge in South Ukraine untenable for the Russians. And if that happens that may progress to Crimea becoming untenable for Russia as well.

Of course that may not happen but I don't see how anyone being subjective can say Ukraine has nothing more to gain by fighting on.

Stav

Ukraine can open up new cemetaries or upgrade their cremation facilities - they will gan nothing  more.  The U S  cannot provide them with more arms and their allies in Europe are not preparfed to feed the Ukraine anymore.   Your drfeam that anybody opposing  the war is for Russia is misplaced by propaganda you are addicted to.

No thinking people wans a war that could have been avoided by negotiation.   Buty the USA wanted a war so they sabotaged negotiaions - nobody bar that nidiot in the WH  who are a real c orrupt arsehole.     Anybody wh o th ink the instability nin the world stems fvrom anybody other th an h im - he is c ausing  insntability in the world worldwide.   

Korea and Taiwan is next to go and the war in the ME is going  to dxrain support for Ukraine anyway.    Meanwhile the allies of the USA are deserting them and the country is in chaos.    In the US A the Rpublican Party is divided between politicians who opposes his policies and those who hate Biden as a corrupt BSter.    

Whether you like it or not if Trump was still President there would have been no Ukraine War and no ME instability.   You will nevrer adxmit it - but it is a fac t of life.    .      .   

Stav

Ukraine can open up new cemetaries or upgrade their cremation facilities - they will gan nothing  more.  The U S  cannot provide them with more arms and their allies in Europe are not preparfed to feed the Ukraine anymore.   Your drfeam that anybody opposing  the war is for Russia is misplaced by propaganda you are addicted to.

No thinking people wans a war that could have been avoided by negotiation.   Buty the USA wanted a war so they sabotaged negotiaions - nobody bar that nidiot in the WH  who are a real c orrupt arsehole.     Anybody wh o th ink the instability nin the world stems fvrom anybody other th an h im - he is c ausing  insntability in the world worldwide.   

Korea and Taiwan is next to go and the war in the ME is going  to dxrain support for Ukraine anyway.    Meanwhile the allies of the USA are deserting them and the country is in chaos.    In the US A the Rpublican Party is divided between politicians who opposes his policies and those who hate Biden as a corrupt BSter.    

Whether you like it or not if Trump was still President there would have been no Ukraine War and no ME instability.   You will nevrer adxmit it - but it is a fac t of life.    .      .   

The war has be lost and Russia has won. 

Russia will likely  take all regions populated by Russians. Maybe the Poles will take back their territory as well.

The rump Ukraine will become neutral and the Russians will ensure that denazification takes place.

By early next year Russia will have 1.2 million troops. They are closing in on 1 million now.

The Ukrainians are short of arms and ammunition as well as men. The Russians have pments of all they need.

The Polls in the US show the People want the funding of the war to stop and it's obvious why this is.

So the Globalist war mongering illigitimate Biden Regime has instigated a war in Gaza. It's far more popular to support Israel than Ukraine. A poll has shown 87 percent of America's support Israel. 

Biden hope this will make him a popular war President. But if America troops come back in body bags and billions again are spent it's a futile hope for this treasonous sell out. 

The choas this Globalist installed puppet has caused has had one great positive. It's destroying the demonrat party. Some 50 percent of Blacks look like they will vote Trump. His panic vote is way up. 

If Jim Jordan become Speaker Funding for Ukraine will dry up. 

In Europe the sentimental against  this war as grown. As has fury concerning the invasion of the continent. 

Ukraine is done as i told you hopeless brainwashed mamparas.

How utterly absurd all the crazy talk of ousting Putin now seems, of dismembering Russia. Of militarily defeating Russia. Hopeless fantasies swallowed hook line and sinker by very gullible ill informed halfwits. 

How utterly foolish they look today. 

I have to compliment Russia on their remarkable restraint. They could have totally smashed Ukraine, flattened Kiev etc etc. 

Beeno

Jordan will not be  Speaker - but there will not be funding  to help Ukraine any further. - while help t Israel woul;d be problematic as well.   When the Ukraine wa started the USA collected armaments from all USA Bases world wide and the idea was that the arms will be replaced by new weapons.   Problwm is the system of arms provision in the USA is a ource of kicxkbacks to politicians and bureaucrats to ensue the money flows in all the times.

They started off with an aid package of $41billion - the expenditure thus far is $113 billion and growing.      That means the conditions of millions of Americans are not helped by the US  Government ignoring their needs and concentrate on pumping of money into Ukraine.   It is a fact that die to inflation millions of children are going to bed hungry largely because of inflation and inability of parents to afford sufficient food supplies for the needs of families.   The fact is clear when the Hawai island people lost everything because of Government negligence causing the fires that destroyed everything they had,.   Biden promised aid to th em amnmounting to $700 dollars per person.       They need at least 50 times tat amount to get back nly pafrt of what they had. before the fire - but for Biden theya re not mportant.    Billions are spent on helping illegal migrants and the Democrats brag that they brought them in as cheap labor putting  Americans out ofc work.   

The situation is hitting the poor and especially the Blacks hard.   Aside from that the open border allows in endless supplies of drugs into the USA and over the last two years over 200 000 young people between the age of 18 and 45 died of drug use,   

Those whom the gods wish to destgroy - they drive mad especially when they are govened by a dxementia suffering BSter.                       

Just a question pedobeeno, why is Russia planning of having 1.2 miillion troops in place by next year as you clearly stated the war would be over this summer or possibly Autumn, Autum ends is about 6 weeks. You think they would have started demobbing already not increasing conscription. 

Could it be you have kept your outstanding record of being 100% wrong about everything going.  

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Stav

Ukraine can open up new cemetaries or upgrade their cremation facilities

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And this clown claims he does not support Russia. 
Twisted, backward, and lacking in values.

Never ever never does he ever admit that the evil exterminator Putin's

responsible for any of this genocidal madness.

On de udder hand Biden's to blame for all worldwide catastrophes.

Just give Zinsky anotherv10 billion.... everything sorted

Biden wants to give $10 billion - but will not get it. through the House.   He will need some Republicamnn votes in the House for that to pass and will not get it.   tt is a no-no when it comes to further support by the USA to help Ukraine.   

Biden wanted $3,5 billion to help Israel - but 3 times that to help Ukraine.   The problem si athat any arms to help Israel will have to wai t for months to be manufactured and there is less money for kickbacks in that case.    Israel will gvet support in the Housed - Ukraine will not.   

By the way the idiotic Biden calls  Hamas a "team" - we know it is not a sports team and can Iran-sponsored terrorists be called a "team"?     I know the man is a dementia-suffering idiot - but that one takes the cake.   A lie of Biden that he met Golda Meir in 1973 and it as proven to be a lie - but he is repeating it again.   Does he live in Cloud Cuckoo land?

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Interesting, I came across this:

Forty-seven years later, and just weeks before Biden faces Donald Trump in the 2020 US presidential elections, an Israeli reporter has shed some fresh light on that get-together, courtesy of a never-before-seen Israeli government document summarizing it.

The official added his own personal impressions regarding the young senator at the bottom of the document, saying Biden was full of respect toward the Israeli leader and repeatedly said he had come to learn, “and yet while speaking displayed a fervor and made comments that signaled his lack of diplomatic experience.”

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And of course if it so obviously wasn’t true the media would be frothing at the mouth. But you confidently tell us the meeting is a lie. So tell us how do you know?