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The destruction of Western Civilization is in full swing

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
06 Jun 2022, 00:01
#41
06 Jun 2022, 00:01#41

Wealth concentration peaked in the roaring twenties…..and then plunged in the Depression and WW2. But if you asked those not in the top 1% who gained a greater percentage of wealth in that Depression period if they were better off…they’d have said no.


Just as the Blacks and Hispanics had larger wealth gains than any other group under Trump, the poor prosper more when the rich prosper.

Fortunately wealth concentration has been increasing since 1975. A period of the greatest improvements in prosperity among the working classes.

These facts always befuddle the likes of Sader…..oops there he goes falling off his high horse.

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
06 Jun 2022, 00:06
#42
06 Jun 2022, 00:06#42

And intolerance is much more aggressive among those who want to change the world….generally known as the Left. For example the  Climate Change warriors who give those who don’t share their views the Spanish Inquisition monicker of ‘deniers’.


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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
06 Jun 2022, 06:53
#43
06 Jun 2022, 06:53#43

I woder sometimes about the deductions made by CF.   The way the media regressed into brainwashing liars in the past decade is the reason why 92% of the residents of the USA do not believe the media anymore an why a channel like CNN has about 10 000 viewers at peak time 

The famous grey old lady - the New York Times = has become the printed version of CNN.   Any reports about news issues provided by both is untrustworthy.  The majority of the world population has become poorer  because of maladministration, corruption and undermining of the middle class in many countries,    Inflation is regarded by liberals as not affecting them and they do not care a hoot about the middle class and he poor struggling to survive.   

In the USA in psrticular law and order is destroyed systematically - while the ruing class Democrats hire private security personnel to guard their properties and themselves at Government cost.    The result is a massive rise in violent crime and murder - making cities in the USA  now the most dangerous in the North and South  American continents 

It is not confined to the USA.   In opinion polls in SA the majority of the older Blacks said they were better off when it comes to service delivery  and income  under the Apartheid regime than they are now.    Like in the USA corruption by politicians and the left has bankrupted SA, while the USA is going into recession sooner rather than later.    .        .   .     

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
06 Jun 2022, 07:54
#44
06 Jun 2022, 07:54#44

PS, what's with all the monkey references? Not a South African slur, but dangerous waters still. ..

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SebPro2,680 posts
06 Jun 2022, 10:15
#45
06 Jun 2022, 10:15#45

No, it's not a slur in the right context, I'm not a racist. The monkeys are the leaders in USA and Nato countries. Utter idiots, they are not new, the blind leading the blind but madness and perversion that is infiltrating and destroying the minds of people with all their perversions, dishonesty and values.These glaring, disgusting hypocrites scream the racist card all the time, whilst spreading in word and deed the ugliest form of racism seen since Goebbels and his gang...Russophobia .

Fools rush in where angels fear to tread.

Ironically, it is the Africans in SA and other countries that are more endeared towards the Russians than the West and SA is Brics, thank goodness. One of the few pluses, granted but in the future far better prospects for our growth.The prospects for onward growth in China, Russia, India, Brazil, Argentina (will be added) and SA and the unexploited resources, land masses are massive. Whereas USA and especially, UK and Europe is overcrowded and food and oil are spent.

They don't obliterate their countries like USA and Nato...Somalia, the Horn of Africa, Libya etc.

Instead they supply food ,commodities, etc, that is life sustaining, not starvation, bloodshed , robbery of resources and death.

Classic case of first/last and last/first. and what you sow you shall you reap.

Why Russia Finds Friends in Africa




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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
06 Jun 2022, 16:04
#46
06 Jun 2022, 16:04#46

So Chabal now the corrupt African politicians are really good fellows. Your defence of Putin’s disgraceful war appears to have no limits. Who cares about the corrupt politicians Ukrainian women and children are dying along with Russian kids in military fancy dress. It’s a disgrace.

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Mrs SearlePro1,533 posts
06 Jun 2022, 18:27
#47
06 Jun 2022, 18:27#47

Putin's disgraceful war? What are you smoking?? This war has DuhmeriKKKa at its origin. They are to blame. But hey, it is so common for them to use other nations as pawns slaughtering countless population groups all over the world its easy to turn a blind eye. It's time to end the cursed big mouth yanks. its pretty funny that these losers are basically doing it with their own filthy rock monkey paw s. 

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SebPro2,680 posts
07 Jun 2022, 07:58
#48
07 Jun 2022, 07:58#48

One, if true to yourself, your conscience and concern for the future of all peoples can only come from within, not the status quo.

Americans have a fear-porn addiction, and it’s time for an intervention

Be it an epidemic, a ‘foreign adversary’, or apocalyptic climate change, the elites will always find a way to keep us scared

 President Franklin Delano Roosevelt once famously said, “The only thing we have to fear is fear itself.” Regardless of how you feel about his New Deal, those words hold timeless truth that I wish more Americans today would take the time to consider.

 

America was founded by men who risked their lives in the pursuit of liberty for all. Our founding fathers stood up to the power of the Crown when they formed the States, knowing full well the potential repercussions if they failed. They also knew that to be free, you must be fearless. You have to believe liberty is worth fighting for and even dying for. You have to believe that you are a divinely created sovereign being, and that your rights come from God, not the government. If you believe this, as they did, you have the basis to create something truly wonderful. How far we have fallen.

 

America in 2022 more closely resembles a giant mental asylum inside a circus than a country of the brave and the free. Sometimes I wonder if most of my fellow citizens even believe in freedom anymore, or are they so fearful and shellshocked they’ve forgotten what that word means? I see young people in the prime of their lives walking around Los Angeles wearing three layers of face masks because they heard on TV that will keep them safe. Shoulders always slumped, heads always bent. I see people wearing surgical masks while driving alone, locked in their cars.

 

Americans aren’t buying ‘Putin’s price hike’


We’ve had more than two years, multiple vaccinations, a slew of well-documented early viral treatments, and still it’s not enough. Everything is sanitized, every cashier is behind a plexiglass barrier, and every germ is now seen as a threat. Everyday phrases like “See you later” and “Take care” have been replaced with “Stay safe.” It’s almost like safety is the new American pastime, replacing baseball. Or worse, Safety is the new religion. To quote Nabokov, “The poison was in the wound, and the wound remained ever open.” And that’s exactly what our new fearful citizenry has been subjected to – an enormous national fear-wound, inflicted by our own government, whose taste for power has unleashed a monster. That monster both creates and feeds off of the fear, churning out more and more fresh poison with every news headline.

 

It doesn’t begin or end with Covid-19, or epidemics in general. Lock yourselves down because monkeypox is coming! Along with West Nile, Zika, and Covid variant numbers 5, 6, and 10,000. Oh, and the world is going to end in ten years due to climate change, just like it was about to end ten years ago, and ten years before that. Better stop driving! (So the world’s elite can fly more private jets and buy yachts, of course). And you should definitely be afraid of (insert foreign country) and ohmygod what if aliens attack?! The barrage never ends. And we’ve been living like this for years and years. It’s difficult not to be affected. If you’re an American reading this and you live in a big city, ask yourself this: When was the last time you felt lighthearted and carefree?

 

Why would our government and their news media lackeys do this to their own people? Simple. To control us. A fearful populace will go along with almost anything, which we witnessed at the onset of Covid-19 and the countless small businesses that were crushed by the lockdowns. When we are controlled by fear, we are easy to divide and conquer. And they got what they wanted. Neighbors ratted on neighbors, calling the cops over a simple house party (or, in my neighborhood, over a family gathering to grieve together after a funeral). All of it driven by instilled fear, all of it devoid of human empathy.

 

Americans were already facing nationwide crises that impacted our mental health long before Covid. Just look at how obsessed we are with Hollywood, social media, and the new ‘influencer’ class. We have endless pharmaceuticals for anxiety and depression, and an epidemic of porn addiction. We’re dealing with an opioid crisis, and the delusional idea that one can change their sex or pick one of 78 genders. All of this doesn’t bode well for a healthy, functioning society, but when you add in a hysterical media and a ruling class working together to instill fear, you’ve got a direct path to the total destruction of a nation. I’m afraid that if we don’t collectively, as a nation, gain control over this (manufactured) fear, that’s where we’re headed. 

 

Biden’s ‘Ministry of Truth’ is another propaganda tool


Not only are fearful people easy to control, they aren’t capable of functioning in a normal human way. Humans need to be with other humans, not isolated or communicating through phones and computers. We are highly social creatures designed to take risks, to try new things, learn, create, and explore. We can’t do that if we suspect everyone to be a personal health threat, or if we believe we’re on the cusp of nuclear war, or if we fear food shortages, or that we may not be able to pay for the things we need to live. When we reach this point, we begin to develop mental illnesses, addictions, and neuroses like the ones I described earlier.

 

A president I happen to think was much wiser than Rooselvelt taught us that, “Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction.” It’s worth standing up for our God-given human rights and not giving into fear, which only serves to enslave us. Freedom is still worth fighting for, and it’s not as hard as it may seem. Step one: Turn off the fear porn.

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
08 Jun 2022, 02:10
#49
08 Jun 2022, 02:10#49

So America invaded Ukraine? When people are capable of believing this kind of nonsense discussion is a waste of time. Russia is not under threat from anybody, nobody forced Putin to invade Ukraine. He did it for his own bizarre objectives.

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SebPro2,680 posts
08 Jun 2022, 08:13
#50
08 Jun 2022, 08:13#50

Don't worry it all will come out in the end, such matters are in far bigger Hands. What man puts in must come out eventually, if you sow seeds of weeds instead of grain...enough said.... time will eventually reveal both the truth and the ignorance.

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
08 Jun 2022, 08:56
#51
08 Jun 2022, 08:56#51

Why is the Ruble strengthening?

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SebPro2,680 posts
08 Jun 2022, 11:42
#52
08 Jun 2022, 11:42#52

The Hegemony control of USA is slipping away. Other countries are sick and tired of the bullying control that the USA has used indiscriminately used to feather it's nest and manipulations and the glaring hypocrisy.

The pennies are dropping everywhere. They have chipped away at China and Russia for far too long and they are gat-vol and now it's pay day. The bully is being sorted out, except for the despicable sycophants and lackeys of Nato and the puppets that still depend.

Now South American countries are seeing through the factory of lies and deceit.

The Celac meeting called for in Los Angeles sees the absence of Venezuela, Nicaragua and Cuba and the Mexican president which overshadows it's purpose in the first place.

As in ancient history Babylon and Rome had it's collapse, we can rant and rave all we like but Omniscience knows and Omnipotence acts.

No escaping what you sow you reap as it applies to all. 

Unipolar cont rol is being replaced by a multi-polar world where individual countries have their own equity and respect.  No more dominance by one singular country.


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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
08 Jun 2022, 16:03
#53
08 Jun 2022, 16:03#53

Utter nonsense. Show me one instance of where the US has used it’s military superiority for financial gain…..one barrel of oil the Marines seized. 

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sharkbokCaptain23,202 posts
08 Jun 2022, 16:20
#54
08 Jun 2022, 16:20#54

America and the West have corruption, but more people get a better deal than countries with authoritarian leaders. Average salaries are higher, and there is more freedom.

If you are in an authoritarian country they only cater for one group of people, who by nature are authoritarian. Anyone else is impacted. 

Western countries also have more alliances, as authoritarian friendships are just until one of them stabs the other in the back to gain power. 

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
08 Jun 2022, 17:05
#55
08 Jun 2022, 17:05#55

In the light of the clear and obvious attack on the Ukraine, the deflection to blame America is a huge leap. The fact that posters like Chabal, Mike and Red Rose believe this crap, and that Draad is ‘on the fence’….is depressing. Are people really so easily led?

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SebPro2,680 posts
08 Jun 2022, 19:37
#56
08 Jun 2022, 19:37#56

Cods wallop...You may pull the wool over others but not me.Stop being deceitful.

Vietnam, Afghanistan,Yugoslavia, Kuwait/Iraq, Iran, Libya, Somalia/Horn of Africa, Syria/Yemen and Ukraine. Actual and now cowardly proxy.

 Ike (admired him, one of the great generals in WW2) started the Military Industrial Complex in 1961 for peace objectives.

Now we have, Lockheed, Boeing, Raytheon,, Northrop, Gen.Dynamics and 6 others with about 173 billion in arms sales...the war machine is always hungry. Used to get involved physically but now finds cowardly proxies as new means using others as cannon fodder.

It's stirs up trouble under false agendas, ie now Pakistan and Taiwan,uses untruthful propaganda, the fiat dollar and boycotting as a weapon.

Morals are pig styes and going.

The factory of lies...people are beginning seeing through this facade and charade.

How their great forefathers must turn in their graves.


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sharkbokCaptain23,202 posts
08 Jun 2022, 20:54
#57
08 Jun 2022, 20:54#57

The anti-westerners are going to believe what they want to believe. 
Somehow a mad murdering dictator is a good person...

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sharkbokCaptain23,202 posts
08 Jun 2022, 21:29
#58
08 Jun 2022, 21:29#58

Babylon is actually part of Irak, so it is debatable if they were part of Western history- other than in the Bible - who aren't Westerners anyway.


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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
08 Jun 2022, 21:35
#59
08 Jun 2022, 21:35#59

"Babylon is actually part of Irak, so it is debatable if they were part of Western history- other than in the Bible - who aren't Westerners anyway."

To borrow from Plum...Viskop! what in the AF is going on in between your fcn ears?...WTBH are you on about?

Debatable my arse...stupid should hurt...and in your case, hurt a lot! WTF man?


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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
08 Jun 2022, 21:43
#60
08 Jun 2022, 21:43#60

"Somehow a mad murdering dictator is a good person..."

No he's not, he's an arsehole...he might even be the biggest one around, BUT he's not the only one ...why can't you see this?...Boris and Joe are pouring petrol on the dumpster fire...they should be the ones trying to fix this...Why aren't they even pretending to try? Why aren't more people calling this BS? The West seems happy with this proxy war of their's...they sure as hell aren't trying to end it now, are they?

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sharkbokCaptain23,202 posts
08 Jun 2022, 22:10
#61
08 Jun 2022, 22:10#61
IraqBabylonia was a state in ancient Mesopotamia. The city of Babylon, whose ruins are located in present-day Iraq, was founded more than 4,000 years ago as a small port town on the Euphrates River. It grew into one of the largest cities of the ancient world under the rule of Hammurabi.2 Feb 2018

Babylonia - HISTORY

https://www.history.com › topics › ancient-middle-east
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sharkbokCaptain23,202 posts
08 Jun 2022, 22:14
#62
08 Jun 2022, 22:14#62

You can go to a Church and see a painting of a white Moses, but the fact is that the people in the old testament of the Bible were Arabs. The old testament in the Bible is very similar to the Koran. While Muslim and Christianity are AD, in BC it was just the same stuff with a different name before being absorbed into a new religion. 



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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
09 Jun 2022, 02:31
#63
09 Jun 2022, 02:31#63

Vietnam….seen at the time as being a necessary resistance against Communism…there were no financial benefits.


Afghanistan….rather than bombing the nation that harbored the 9/11 terrorists to smithereens,  the US occupied and tried to sponsor a democracy. It was a huge financial loss.


Kuwait…the US lead a coalition that reversed Iraq’s invasion.


Iran is a rogue state which held US citizens hostage…let off rather easily.

All the rest were limited police actions.

No doubt some of these actions were mistakes, but that’s a risk if you are the one force that can stand up to authoritarian regimes. But be assured the US taxpayer is deeply in debt, in part because of these so called greedy wars.

No country with the power the US has at it’s disposal has ever walked away from the economic benefits they could extract.  The US has been a benign world leader…the US soldiers have always been willing to take on dangerous tasks. Like setting up and operating hospitals to treat Ebola.

Eventually world leadership will change. We can only hope whoever the successor is, maybe China, will show the same restraint.


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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
09 Jun 2022, 07:10
#64
09 Jun 2022, 07:10#64

Snarkhole, I probably know actual history a bit better than you and the Bible too, but WTH has that got anything to do with this conversation?

And this:

"Babylon is actually part of Irak, so it is debatable if they were part of Western history- other than in the Bible - who aren't Westerners anyway."

please translate into human speach and indicate how it fits into the conversation, or is it insane babbling on the side?

 I know Babylon is in Iraq, so what? Egypt is in Africa, this isn't a new concept.

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sharkbokCaptain23,202 posts
09 Jun 2022, 11:24
#65
09 Jun 2022, 11:24#65

So Irak is part of Western history? 

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CrusadersfanPro3,099 posts
09 Jun 2022, 11:39
#66
09 Jun 2022, 11:39#66

Western history is what ever they want it to be, bunch of old men pining for the past. Want the world to be stuck in the 50s and damn anyone that steps out of line with their thoughts.

Want democracy but only on their terms

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
09 Jun 2022, 11:51
#67
09 Jun 2022, 11:51#67

"So Irak is part of Western history?"

I would say no, but why is it even relevant in this discussion ?

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
09 Jun 2022, 11:53
#68
09 Jun 2022, 11:53#68

"Western history is what ever they want it to be, bunch of old men pining for the past. Want the world to be stuck in the 50s and damn anyone that steps out of line with their thoughts.

Want democracy but only on their terms"


Who are "they"? T hese old men you're mentioning?

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CrusadersfanPro3,099 posts
09 Jun 2022, 11:55
#69
09 Jun 2022, 11:55#69

Mike for a start

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CrusadersfanPro3,099 posts
09 Jun 2022, 11:56
#70
09 Jun 2022, 11:56#70

You know the one that started this thread

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sharkbokCaptain23,202 posts
09 Jun 2022, 13:05
#71
09 Jun 2022, 13:05#71
@Draad, the Sebanstial fool brought Irak into the discussion, when he mentioned Babylon.
I don't blame you for not reading his posts, but it does provide context.

So, you are worshipping an Arab god, that has been made white (especially in Apartheid-era churches). 

You lots are Western Arabs. My guess is that Christianity continues to decline, and we are going to see more radical ones like Brenton Tarrant. You lot brainwash yourself so you can't distinguish between beliefs and facts, for the all mighty God is on your side. (Just like the suicide bombers)
Mass shootings are not enough, it is only a matter of time before they start using bombs. 
Most of these mass shootings seem to be the usual religious suspects, thinking they are acting on the words of God. 

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
09 Jun 2022, 18:01
#72
09 Jun 2022, 18:01#72

Nobody wants to be stuck in the past, but there's no need to destroy everything that wa s build in the past. Build on the good and disregard the bad...some things, like the Mona Lisa, are worth keeping...not everything of the past is bad.

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CrusadersfanPro3,099 posts
09 Jun 2022, 18:18
#73
09 Jun 2022, 18:18#73

Agree whole heartidly with that drad

But some on here see any changes as the end of life ae we know it, they want their special privileges retained and the rest can go fuck themselves. 

The west is far from perfect but it beats any other thing out there.

Ad far as I am concerned the more freedoms people have (without causing harm to others) the better bit some want everyone to comply with their life style and be carbon copies. Well fuck that

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CrusadersfanPro3,099 posts
09 Jun 2022, 18:27
#74
09 Jun 2022, 18:27#74

I am sure there are some on here that get their nose out of joint  that I date Asian girls, or the fact I have gay and Trans friends.

I just don't understand the hate, they are people and no different  from you and me and why they feel compelled to discriminate just because they are different is beyond me.

If they just spent 5 minutes  talking to them and they would see we are all human with feelings but their bigoted hatred holds them back

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SebPro2,680 posts
09 Jun 2022, 19:16
#75
09 Jun 2022, 19:16#75

Is this the end of the beginning or the beginning of the end,,,sail on "Ship of Fate". Hahaha.

Ship of Fools heading for the rocks. Don't have a clue of their bearings. What a disaster!

You better believe it before you make a bigger ass than you are. Have some sense and humility.

 https://www.rt.com/shows/news/556819-rtnews-june-09-09msk/

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
09 Jun 2022, 19:27
#76
09 Jun 2022, 19:27#76
"Ad far as I am concerned the more freedoms people have (without causing harm to others) the better bit some want everyone to comply with their life style and be carbon copies. Well fuck that"
Agree 100%...
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CrusadersfanPro3,099 posts
09 Jun 2022, 19:31
#77
09 Jun 2022, 19:31#77

Sorry Seb but it's fools like you that are steering mankind to a bitter end.

The sooner fools like you are gone the better

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
09 Jun 2022, 20:10
#78
09 Jun 2022, 20:10#78

"The sooner fools like you are gone the better"

That's the attitude that got us here in the first place, we should find a way to coexist...it shouldn't be either "you" or "me"...AND "they" or "Us"...there should be a place under the sun for everyone...

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CrusadersfanPro3,099 posts
09 Jun 2022, 20:26
#79
09 Jun 2022, 20:26#79

Nice thoughts drad but people like him have no place for anyone different and he is set on limiting people to his way of thought and no exceptions

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
09 Jun 2022, 21:45
#80
09 Jun 2022, 21:45#80

"Nice thoughts drad but people like him have no place for anyone different and he is set on limiting people to his way of thought and no exceptions"


You sound the same...

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