So far it seems Trump is in the Epstein files almost as much as Epstein. However, anything on the page is redacted. Where are the MAGA crew now that fight against paedophilia. We see where their true values lie.
I expect Trump has had much of the evidence destroyed to protect himself along with other billionaires that were the customers.
Trump appears to have been friends with Epstein the longest.
DOMINIC LAWSON
Trump can’t help loving his big brother in crueltySaturday December 20 2025, 11.00pm GMT, The Sunday Times
After the director of When Harry Met Sally, Rob Reiner, and his wife, Michele, were found with their throats slit in their Los Angeles home, Donald Trump immediately declared this to be a consequence of Reiner’s own behaviour. The film-maker’s death, wrote the president on his Truth Social account (even though the couple’s son Nick had been arrested), was “due to the anger he caused others through his massive, unyielding, and incurable affliction with a mind crippling disease known as TRUMP DERANGEMENT SYNDROME … he was known to have driven people CRAZY by his raging obsession of President Donald J Trump”. In other words, Reiner, who indeed in 2017 pronounced Trump “mentally unfit” to be president, had it coming (shame about the wife, though).
This combination of extreme narcissism and considered cruelty is the distilled essence of Trump. As ever, those who rushed to declare he had finally gone too far were mistaken. I mean mistaken politically, not morally. Trump was precocious in understanding how social media was the ideal instrument for wielding cruelty as a political weapon. He is the apotheosis of all those self-obsessed men in their parents’ basements, raging against the injustices perpetrated upon them. Trump’s “base” will not hold against him this latest paranoiac effusion and doubtless regard those who denounce it as, yes, suffering from TRUMP DERANGEMENT SYNDROME.
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And which men does Trump most admire and identify with, himself? Those who, with unsparing brutality, bend their own countries to their will. Thus, President Xi of China is, according to Trump, “a brilliant guy. He controls 1.4 billion people with an iron fist”. Above all there is President Putin, of whose invasion of Ukraine in 2022 on the pretext of saving the lives of Russian-speakers Trump declared at the time: “This is genius.” Few who saw the US president excitedly clapping as Putin walked towards him across the red carpet at their Alaska summit in August will have failed to perceive Trump’s genuine admiration. Mere diplomacy, this was not.
Putin’s cruelty is also, in his own domestic political terms, an asset — and in this case it is not measured in words on social media but in piles of corpses, mass physical destruction and sadistic poisoning of his personal enemies. Not that Putin is incapable of communicating his sadism in words. As long ago as 2002, when he was regarded in the West as some sort of enlightened technocrat, Putin responded to a French journalist who questioned Russia’s conduct of the war in Chechnya: “If you want to … become a Muslim radical and are ready to get circumcised, I invite you to Moscow. We are a multi-confessional country: we have experts in this field, too. I will recommend that they carry out the operation in such a way that nothing grows back.”
This would have gone down well with millions of Putin’s voters (as he surely understood). The cult of cruelty has been, unfortunately, a characteristic of Russia over many centuries. And, unlike in most other nations, which have gradually evolved out of such a mindset — not least through escape from oppressive material poverty, which remains startling in much of Russia — it is still a feature.
It was a great Russian novelist, himself a survivor of abject poverty in his youth, who provided the most compelling account of this characteristic. I speak of Maxim Gorky, and specifically his 1922 essay “On the Russian peasant”. This was written in the wake of the Russian civil war, in which Gorky had been on the side of the revolutionaries. One section, especially, is worth quoting: “It seems to me that the most striking feature of the Russian national character is exceptional cruelty, just like for the English is sense of humour. The most interesting feature of the Russian cruelty is its devilish sophistication … I am not talking here about cruelty which appears sporadically, like an explosion of a sick or perverted soul. These are exceptions that will chill a psychiatrist: here I am talking about mass psychology, about the nation’s soul, about collective cruelty … it can be said with certainty that those who have the most energy and power in their hands are the most cruel.”
That is the point: in a society based on cruelty as a principle of power, those at the top are the most skilled practitioners, the most implacably merciless. We can be equally sure that many of those Russian soldiers who carried out atrocities in Ukraine were the impoverished graduates of a system in which they themselves had been — again, purposively, not randomly — brutalised.
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Those graduates in cruelty received an accolade from the supreme sadist. In April 2022, after the Ukrainian army liberated Bucha and found hundreds of bodies of civilians with their hands tied, executed, and basements in which others had been tortured, Putin gave a collective award to the brigade responsible, the 64th Motor Rifle Brigade, for “mass heroism and valour, tenacity and courage”.
In his book Berlin: The Downfall 1945, the military historian Antony Beevor described how Soviet soldiers did not merely mass-rape Germans (citizens of an exterminatory regime that had slaughtered Russians in their millions) but also “the Russian women and Jewish women and Ukrainian women and girls who had been sent back to Germany for slave labour”. As Beevor told the Telegraph more recently: “With the Russians, the attitude has always been that conspicuous cruelty is a necessary weapon of war — and we’re seeing that in Ukraine.”
Not least of the objections of the European nations to Trump’s original 28-point “peace plan” for Ukraine was that the White House’s recipe included a “full amnesty for actions committed during the war”. Unfortunately for the US president’s prospect of the Nobel peace prize he covets, Putin’s implacability goes well beyond such demands. Trump, for all his cynicism — some would say realism — has not grasped or does not care that Putin seeks permanent subservience from Ukraine: it must be the slave, he the master.
Yet Trump’s supporters in the Maga movement insist on seeing the poisoner in the Kremlin as a fellow warrior in the battle to reimpose “Christian values” on a sick society. The fact Putin has wreaked death and destruction on a Christian Orthodox nation, as frequently pointed out to me by the Ukrainian mother who has lived with us along with her son since 2022, bothers them not at all.
I’m no expert; but that both Trump and Putin purport to be exemplars of Christian values, and are seen as such by millions of their own people, is the cruellest joke of all.
It only serves to illustrate the wisdom of the observation, after Voltaire, that “those who make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities”.
The Epstein files is another authoritarian Trump mitigated cover up.
Shit taking over again, Rhe braindead out in full force again.
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Trump has this great quality: he has exposed liberals as no one. In a typical liberal move, he manages to sell a cover up as the lifting of a cover up. He releases redacted files as a token of transparency and the absence of a cover up.
Sheer liberalism. Remember, peeps, liberals have not changed. They claimed slavery was the hallmark of free societies, that societies that banned slavery were oppressive and tyrannical.
Trump is selling a major cover up as the absence of a cover up. Liberals buy it.
Despite all the things that some posters on here disagreed with about Biden, including him showering with his young daughter....... and let's not forget about Biden often being creepy with his touching and smelling of various young kids inappropriately etc etc....
However ....nobody ever posted derogatory, disgusting or insulting images or AI pics of Biden ...
TDS on the other hand...... sure does affect people on a completely different level, especially given the horrible sexual based pics that have been posted on here over the last few months about Trump.
That's some level of whatboutism.
Cool story.... still doesn't explain why your side's coping mechanism is flooding this forum with AI-generated Trump porn...
How is that a coping mechanism, it's piss taking of Trump. Piss taking albeit vulgar that Trump set himself up for. (also one of them is a piss take of Trump's submissiveness to Putin and not related to Epstein) He promised to release the Epstein files, then vehemently refused to do so, then when it became clear they were going coming out one way or another changed his position, now the Trump admiration is not for the first breaking the law by not releasing the Epstein files in full and by not explaining redactions.
It's a self inflicted wound, because if there is really no incriminating photo's or information about him in the files, just potentially embarrassing photo's of him with Epstein, which he could of easily just brushed off as "look loads of famous and powerful people were associated with Epstein", he should of released them months ago and the whole story would of blown over by now.
LOL justifying you TDS, it's OK we know.
Not true. I posted thiis image of Biden and CleverMike age ago.
LOL justifying you TDS, it's OK we know.
TDS isn't a thing, it's a thing morons say when they can't defend Trump.
Grrr!!!
"TDS isn't a thing, it's a thing morons say when they can't defend Trump."
LMAO!
True!
Hahaha….Cobra you are a bad man.
So it turns out some of the photo's released by the DOJ of Bill Clinton and Michael Jackson were not actually in the Epstein files, but just random photo's taken at various social events both were attending that had absolutely nothing to do with Epstein.
Trump and his cronies must have destroyed the evidence that incriminates Trump by now.
It was probably so incriminating that it was worth the risk of this fact being discovered later.
Hard to say about this point it could end up like Watergate with the attempt of a cover up being of greater significance than what was being covered up.
So if there were in fact incriminating evidence, why didn't the Biden administration release any of it?
Oh now it’s Watergate…..hahahaha….the Mick in mid season form
So if there were in fact incriminating evidence, why didn't the Biden administration release any of it
Eh don’t ask awkward questions Draad.
The cabal is made up of left and right-wing billionaires who are campaign donors. Some campaign donors donate to both parties. Some of the politicians and Supreme Court members appear to be associates of Epstein. The Great Gatsby was a prolific networker...
PedoDon ...
"So if there were in fact incriminating evidence, why didn't the Biden administration release any of it"
Yep, considering that it has now been confirmed that Biden's DOJ pressured the FBI to raid Mar-A-Lago, even when the FBI doubted that they had any probable cause, one can only imagine what the same DOJ would have done, and what would have happened if any actual evidence of Trump being in the Epstein files was there.....
Oh now it’s Watergate…..hahahaha….the Mick in mid season form
Keyword word being like.
So if there were in fact incriminating evidence, why didn't the Biden administration release any of it
Eh don’t ask awkward questions Draad.
So if there were in fact no incriminating evidence, why doesn't the Trump administration release all of it?
Eh don't ask awkward questions eh?
Yep, considering that it has now been confirmed that Biden's DOJ pressured the FBI to raid Mar-A-Lago, even when the FBI doubted that they had any probable cause, one can only imagine what the same DOJ would have done, and what would have happened if any actual evidence of Trump being in the Epstein files was there.....
The raid on Mar-A-Lago was court authorized by one of the most pro Trump judges around Aileen Cannon but aside from that point you do have a point in that surely if there was incrementing evidence against Trump in the files it would of been used against him long ago. Unless the Biden administration was protecting other people in the Epstein list and exposing Trump would of exposed the people they were protecting (maybe senior democrats or donors to the party). That's about the only plausible explanation I can think of. Now I don't think that's true, I still think this is most likely a case that Trump does show up a lot in the Epstein files but their is nothing that implicates him in any crime and Trump was originally just trying to avoid the embarrassment by association his presence in the files will bring and that he didn't think blocking their release would result in such pushback, but both the MAGA base and political opponents wouldn't let it go, which annoyed him no end so he ended up pushing back angrily against them, which in their eyes made it look like he was hiding something and made them even more determined to see the files released. This has been a political own goal from Trump, had he just released the files months ago the story would be out of the news.
The raid on Mar-A-Lago was court authorized by one of the most pro Trump judges around Aileen Cannon
Nonsense........ you may want to check your facts here.... Aileen Cannon is presiding over the criminal trial that resulted from evidence gathered during that raid.
Judge Bruce Reinhart of the U.S District Court for the Southern District of Florida is the one who signed off on the search warrant for Mar-A-Lago, despite the FBI not wanting to go ahead with it.
These recent emails which were provided to Congress, including the Senate Judiciary Committee earlier this month, reveal that the FBI agents from the Washington field office repeatedly expressed doubts or concerns about establishing probable cause for the search warrant on Mar-A-Lago.
These emails specifically described the evidence as "Single Source", Uncorroborated", Potentially Dated", and "Insufficient" to raiding a former president's home.
Biden's DOJ put pressure to proceed with the raid, despite the FBI not wanting to..... with one FBI official saying "I don't give a damn what the optics look like".....
More information is also coming out now that Biden very possibly lied about any White House involvement in this raid and the targeting of Trump, because other reports are alledgedly indicating coordination between Biden's White House Council Office, the DOJ and National Archives and Records Administration on the documents issue, with discussions moving "Offline"
Yeah..... where there is smoke ...
Apologies it was Reinhart, Cannon actually rejected Trump's latter argument that the FBI omitted or falsified information when seeking the warrant for the raid. The wording of a article I read gave me the impression she was the judge who originally authorized the warrant.
This is red herring nonsense...lefties hoping there's something that will stick on Teflon Don...they seem incapable of learning...there is nothing...it's a wild goose chase to keep fools on a fools errand...old magician's trick...kul jou hier, kul jou daar en siedaar!!!..why did you think Musk was the one who made that tweet...a big spoof, playing you gullible lot like fiddle time and time again.
Yh eree are now girls - now woman - w h o claimed the elease of t heir infor is illegal. That is where people are preoared to take the Government to court for releasing the info.
I think it is to th e detrient of thee woman involved nd at th e asame time it endan ger their lives,
If Trump was involved in anything then he would have been charged and nopt fdud charges the Demopcrats used against Trump in all the fake charges they tried to lay. So Trump had no association other than bannin g h im from Mar-e-Lago and at social meetings in New York,
Gates wife divorced him because of his involvement with the Epstein clique and Bill C linton was onthe flight list to pedophile island owned by Epstein.
Prince Andrew lost all his titles and was kicked out of the palace at Windsor,
The Democratic Party is a party controlled by criminals - so live ith it. ,
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So if there were in fact incriminating evidence, why didn't the Biden administration release any of it
Because they can not afford.
The Trump PedoStein case is progressing nicely. People have worked out how to UN-Redact the released files. The clowns in the FBI do not know how to even redact files. They just pasted the text into a word editor, and the black overlay is gone. Some are also using photoshop to extract the black layer that is upon the text.
Maybe they did it on purpose to invoke plausible deniability. It is very funny liberals are so calm when so many state agents have only followed orders thing.
Trump has revealed many things, one is that people in the US have no autonomy. Will write a piece about this because it should be a glaring issue.
There should have been a wave of people resigning when they received certain orders as it should not have matched their proclaimed liberal tenets.
It is another very powerful force when liberals start killing millions of people : they will be unable to dissociate and step back.
Snarky...you are being trolled...
Thank fuck some people on this forum are not in law enforcement, because they would probably arrest everyone who just happened to have a picture taken with Epstein and then associate them all with having sex with underage girls.
It is another funny thing. Liberals give properties to their police forces they do not have not. During the I can not breathe guy era, did research on police forces actions in the US. Found many that were very funny like a black woman playing video games with her nephew and hearing noises coming from outside. She opened up a curtain to see what was going on and got shot by a police officer who showed somebody moving, no warning, nothing.
That is the police forces. As always,liberals invert things. With this type of police forces, the question is how they have not yet arrested Trump.
Another part is obviously playing down Trump's behaviour to be simply on a photo with a bunch of paedophiles. Of course, liberals are going to claim that this someone is not Trump, they thought of somebody else.
Submission, submission, submission... As usual, the same strategy, coming up with incredible assertions in order to gauge submission. Liberals are very insecure, they only look to submit people.. They can not do otherwise.
Thank fuck some people on this forum are not in law enforcement, because they would probably arrest everyone who just happened to have a picture taken with Epstein and then associate them all with having sex with underage girls.
As I've said before having your photo taken with Epstein doesn't make you guilty of any crime.
But given that in the past you called for an investigation into Biden over the content of Ashley Biden's diary what do you make of this.
Long story short, a Limousine driver provided testimony that in 1995 he had collected Trump and during the journey he overhead Trump make references to abusing some girls on a phone call with someone he repeatedly called Jeffrey. He was disturbed enough by the call that he came close to stopping the car and have an altercation with him. The driver also stated that in a conversation with an unnamed women, when the limo driver mentioned stated he had meet Trump in the past the women's demeanour went stone cold and she stated that Trump had raped her. When he replied "what" she stated that Trump had raped her along with Jeffrey Epstein after being taken to a fancy hotel by a women with funny name (assumption that its Maxwell)
The driver advised the women to go the police. She replied "I can't, they will kill me"
However she did eventually go to the police on the matter.
Sometime later the limo driver learned she turned up dead in Kiefer with her head blown off and that officers at the scene stated no way it was a suicide but it was later ruled a suicide by a coroner.
Now I'm not a conspiracist. But this sort of testimony strikes me as conspiracist wet dream. Considering you thought the police or or at the very least the media should of looked into Biden because of Ashley Biden having stated she took showers with her dad when she was young surely the above testimony warrants some sort of investigation.