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To enlighten the ignorant and brainwashed on crisis in Ukraine...Michael Maloof

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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
26 Feb 2022, 08:26
#41
26 Feb 2022, 08:26#41

You see Stav, he wasn't even joking. His idea of an "unbiased" and "balanced" view was in fact a clip from Russia Today.

LMAO!


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SebPro2,680 posts
26 Feb 2022, 10:26
#42
26 Feb 2022, 10:26#42

Laugh on, laugh on....he who laughs last laughs best.

Hypocrisy is a plague in the world today. Dark and sullied pots calling the kettles black.

Don't worry, it all comes out in the washing.

This pattern is the Law of Hypocrisy Unmasked. 

It is a part of judgment. This truth and operational principle declares and forces all secret things to eventually come to light.

 The question is not if things will come to the light but when?

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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
26 Feb 2022, 10:45
#43
26 Feb 2022, 10:45#43

Just a small request when you reply intelligently also spell intelligently….there’s a good fellow.

My favourite debating tool, fact checking.

Moz's favourite debating tool, spell checking!

But yeah actually maybe I'm not as intelligent as I thought, because for once I actually found myself largely agreeing with a post of yours. 

It rather surprised me and I thought it was unbecoming for you.

Yet you titled the thread, To enlighten the ignorant and brainwashed on crisis in Ukraine.

You could of entitled the thread, a Russian/alternate perspective on the crisis in Ukraine, you know a title where you could of tried to got your point across without implying the people who hold the opposite view are ignorant and brainwashed.

I don't know about you but I don't think your doing chances of convincing someone of your viewpoint any good when you start off by insulting them.

 but at times, lack basic common wisdom.

Ahhh that's why I find it difficult to accept the argument that Ukraine government has been taken over by Nazi's. There was me thinking a Nazi government being lead by a Jewish President was a bit strange but actually it was me just lacking common sense. Thanks for setting me straight.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55U57kJWuIo

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SebPro2,680 posts
26 Feb 2022, 11:11
#44
26 Feb 2022, 11:11#44

Zelensky now wants to talk to Russia.

Well, they have had 7 years to implement the Minsk agreement that they signed, yet they have broken every single facet of it.

Why would Russia trust them to honour ANY agreement?
Germany and France were co-signees and yet they did nothing but stand by silently and watch the slaughter of innocent Ukrainians by their own government.
Russia did everything possible to avoid this war and Ukraine just did everything possible to ignite it. They are going to get burned, all the politicians, all the Nazis and all those who profited from the persecution of Russian speakers.
It is pay-back time for their actions.

Nato and USA , now use cowardly sanctions, vipers and slippery snakes which hurts the ordinary citizen and not the oligarchs in a devastating way. Bloody, spineless and extreme hypocrisy. They care sweet fanny adams for mankind...just a red herring for all their own dilemmas back home.
The truth will come out just like the phantom "weapons of mass destruction" did in the Iraqi war debacle.
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sharkbokCaptain23,202 posts
27 Feb 2022, 13:46
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27 Feb 2022, 13:46#45

SebastianChabal, The Russian bot mole returns. The ignorant brainwashed simpleton that believes the BS of Putin, and actually admires Putin. 

All of the good people in the world support Ukraine, while the degenerates support Putin. The shit of society loves Putin and Authoritarianism. 

The sanctions are coming in quickly, and before long the average Russian is going to become much poorer. 

Removing Russia from the Swift Banking system is going to cripple their economy which is fantastic. The oligarchs may start to turn against Putin, as there is now also talk of freezing all Russian assets in foreign countries.

Removing them from Swift alone should be enough to cripple the economy. 

Russia needs to stand up against their leader. If they are too scared, let's destroy their economy. 




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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
27 Feb 2022, 14:30
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27 Feb 2022, 14:30#46
And all the “good people” of the world supported Bush’s destruction of Iraq and Obama’s decimation of Libya. Point being, of course Putin is to blame here, but he’s not the only one that should shoulder responsibility. Not by a long shot. There are interviews and speeches, going back a good few years, where he warns that, like any other nation with half a brain and some dignity, Russia can’t accept nukes lined up along their border. As far as I know, Russia has made this very clear and attempts at diplomatic resolutions were plentiful. Can you blame them for finally invading the Ukraine? Yes. Can you blame the West for not listening to what were very reasonable concerns by a patient Russia? Yes. I’m ONLY on the side of the Ukrainian people…because everybody else is responsible for this.
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sharkbokCaptain23,202 posts
27 Feb 2022, 14:46
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27 Feb 2022, 14:46#47







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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
27 Feb 2022, 15:08
#48
27 Feb 2022, 15:08#48

Well, Russia didn't invade any countries while Trump was president...

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
27 Feb 2022, 15:28
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27 Feb 2022, 15:28#49

Draad 

I  watched the e-NCA agent reporting from Kyiv said that the Russians are not attacking the coity itself - other than a Russian attack o an airfield about 20 miles outside of Ukraine.    There are loads of propaganda with very little actual news.     

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sharkbokCaptain23,202 posts
27 Feb 2022, 15:35
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27 Feb 2022, 15:35#50

Putin has always planned to rebuild the USSR. It may not be true Communism anymore, but it is a tyrant dictator all the same. If Trump had won a 2nd term, Putin would have still invaded Ukraine. 

Trump would probably have supported Putin's invasion, but if by some chance he did not- it would probably lead to Nuclear war. 

Putin has already threatened Nuclear war with any country that supports Ukraine. Trump is the same trigger happy fool, and if they were on opposing sides it would probably lead to World war 3. 



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sharkbokCaptain23,202 posts
27 Feb 2022, 17:41
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27 Feb 2022, 17:41#51

The chief of Nato says Vladimir Putin's order to the Russian military to put its nuclear forces on a higher level of alert is "dangerous" and "irresponsible".

It adds to the Russian leader's aggression over Ukraine , Jens Stoltenberg says.

"Of course when you combine this rhetoric with what they are doing on the ground in Ukraine - waging war against an independent, sovereign nation, conducting full-fledged invasion of Ukraine - this adds to the seriousness of the situation,

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
27 Feb 2022, 18:56
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27 Feb 2022, 18:56#52

Lot's of opinions, ifs and buts, but we can never know what would have happened...what we do know is that Russia was in check while he was in office...China and NK too...

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AJHPro3,183 posts
27 Feb 2022, 19:22
#53
27 Feb 2022, 19:22#53

Yes sharktwat its a pity the condom burst.

Get it?

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sharkbokCaptain23,202 posts
27 Feb 2022, 19:57
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27 Feb 2022, 19:57#54
The same sub-humans that support Putin, would support Hitler. They are authoritarian people, and hate any form of Democracy. 
Russia is targeting civilians, including schools and hospitals. Many Russians are disgusted by Putin. 
Russia has the most nuclear weapons in the world. This "achievement" alone shows the leaders of Russia are warmongers. They can't compete economically, so they use violence instead.

Capitalism thrives in Democratic countries, and this is why they have the highest per capita earnings. Putin's "capitalism" is oligarchs and gangsters

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Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
28 Feb 2022, 08:57
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28 Feb 2022, 08:57#55

" The chief of Nato says Vladimir Putin's order to the Russian military to put its nuclear forces on a higher level of alert is "dangerous" and "irresponsible".

If Putin ever got desperate enough to use a nuke against Ukraine, I wonder how the west would respond.....

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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
28 Feb 2022, 10:11
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28 Feb 2022, 10:11#56

Seems to me that Putin has lost it, the war with Ukraine is an attempt to strengthen his failing image at home but it's not going to work, money speaks and the powerful rich won't be happy. I can see an endgame in which he loses his power.

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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
28 Feb 2022, 11:08
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28 Feb 2022, 11:08#57
"If Putin ever got desperate enough to use a nuke against Ukraine, I wonder how the west would respond....."
Well, on the plus side, at least we don't have a narcissistic, self-serving and unhinged moron sitting in the White House. A senile old fool maybe but at least a sane one.
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Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
28 Feb 2022, 12:49
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28 Feb 2022, 12:49#58

"I can see an endgame in which he loses his power"

What is extremely encouraging to see, is the support and protest marches from around the world, some hitting up to 100 000 people...... this is showing how the majority of the world's countries are fully behind Ukraine.

Even more important is the support for Ukraine coming directly from the Russian citizens in the streets...... calling it Putin's war, not Russia's war.... which it clearly is.....and the one thing that makes it so much more real... is social media..

Russia is also doing it's utmost to prevent the real war footage of what they are doing in the Ukraine from being aired in Russia, which I see the "Anonymous" group have now done by hacking the Russian state television.....

The Russian government is still trying to convince all it's citizens at home that they are "liberating" the Ukraine people ...... and still maintain that they are not targeting civilian areas..... what a farce, and the Russian people are not buying it...

Even the Russian soldiers who were caught and taken prisoner in Ukraine were told that they were informed before the war that they would be practicing drills, and not fighting a war.....

Now a hit list has been made public where all the top names in the Ukraine government have been identified to be sought out and executed.... including the two Klitschko brothers

Ukraine president Volodymyr Zelensky show ed just what balls these guys have..... when offered safe passage out of Kyiv by the US, he said " I need ammunition, not a ride

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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
28 Feb 2022, 13:19
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28 Feb 2022, 13:19#59

I've just watched a horrifying documentary of what happens to dissenters and political prisoners in Russia. It's claimed that 99% of those charged are found guilty. There was actual footage of prisoners being tortured to gain a confession, one of them tried to commit suicide to escape torture. Others succeeded in killing themselves.

I don't get Chabal, I don't get how critical he was about peoples freedoms being curtailed in western countries during the pandemic while at the same time Russia and Putin do no wrong.



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Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
28 Feb 2022, 14:27
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28 Feb 2022, 14:27#60

Seb clearly has his own personal experiences which I will respect.... I have not witnessed nor have I experienced what he has around the world, especially Russia, so I can't and won't comment.

What I see from the news, and more importantly, from the Russian people themselves, especially the soldiers who were interviewed after capture... they don't want this war at all.....and I honestly believe that this is turning the majority of the Russian people against Putin...

Look at the faces of Putin's defense ministers when he increased the nuclear status without warning them in advanc e.... they look absolutely stunned...

Putin's military minister was recently seen stuttering at the podium, trying to explain something to Putin and his generals.... and all Putin did was make him say exactly the words that Putin himself wanted him to say.

Unnecessary deaths for both Ukraine and Russia.......

Putin decides to threaten other countries as well now, with wanting to join NATO, and if they do, they face a Russian invasion..... where does it stop

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Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
28 Feb 2022, 14:30
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28 Feb 2022, 14:30#61

"Vladimir Putin's 'propagandist-in-chief' has threatened the West with nuclear destruction just hours after the Russian leader put his deter rent forces on 'alert'. Speaking on nation-wide TV amid a frenzy of anti-Western rhetoric, TV anchor Dmitry Kiselyov told viewers: 'Our submarines can shoot more than 500 nuclear warheads."

Eish....

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SebPro2,680 posts
28 Feb 2022, 14:49
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28 Feb 2022, 14:49#62

https://youtu.be/xC1oCpnDURc

Are these a replica of Nazi's?


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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
28 Feb 2022, 18:13
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28 Feb 2022, 18:13#63

Everything doesn't add up. Why? There's something we don't know and might never know. This invasion doesn't make sense.

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sharkbokCaptain23,202 posts
28 Feb 2022, 18:19
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28 Feb 2022, 18:19#64
There is no justification for Russia trying to conquer an independent country, nor is their justification for saying the nuclear bomb team are on standby against other countries that may side with Ukraine. (E.g economic sanctions)
Ukraine can choose to join NATO or the EU if they want to. Rather grow the Western alliance than let it be conquered. 

It is clear to most people that Putin will not stop. Just like Hitler would not stop conquering countries. What country wants to be owed by Russia? 
44% of their GDP is from energy. A one-trick pony. Stop buying their energy, and they are stuffed.
Everyone who thinks Putin is smart, overestimates him. It was expected that Russia could conquer Ukraine in 3 days, but that did not happen. Putin does not understand that it is easier than ever to place economic sanctions on countries. 
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Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
01 Mar 2022, 08:15
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01 Mar 2022, 08:15#65

"What country wants to be owed by Russia?"

Absolutely nobody at all, with bloody good reason

We now have a 42 mile long row of tanks on the way to Kyiv.........

These Ukraine people have shown a resilience that is just remarkable, but very tough days ahead.

"This invasion doesn't make sense"

Fully agree, nothing that Putin has done so far has made any sense at all, and now also threatening other countries with invasions if they join Nato.....

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
01 Mar 2022, 08:28
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01 Mar 2022, 08:28#66

"Fully agree, nothing that Putin has done so far has made any sense at all, and now also threatening other countries with invasions if they join Nato....."

Either there is something we don't know about, forcing his hand, or he suddenly went insane...If Europe is forced to find alternative energy, to impose sanctions...like they just did, it will destroy the Russian economy for decades to come if it's not lifted soon...unless they have an alternative market...this is so unnecessary, what are we missing.

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Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
01 Mar 2022, 09:56
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01 Mar 2022, 09:56#67

Russia needs to be brought to it's knees.... not to punish the people, but to instill a big reset.

For far too long now Russia have been immune to almost any kind of action against them, and have acted with complete and utter impunity, with them even attacking people in the streets on foreign soil.

Putin is a worldwide menace, another Hitler who would go down with nukes rather than be found hiding in a sewer drain like Gadaffi

Don't be surprised if he gets taken out somewhere, although that would be extremely difficult due to the security policies he has in place that are completely insane....

Every road that Putin travels every day, is lined with specialist snipers the entire way, along with so many other protection details in place...

The people of Russia have really shown their anger towards this invasion from Putin, and I would hate for them to suffer unnecessarily from these sanctions, but ultimately, it needs to be done..... only when Russia is shown by the entire world, that their bullying will never be tolerated again, will they possibly stop their aggression against so many independent countries.

The shocking fact that Switzerland has now agreed to sanctions against Russia is proof of how Russia is now perceived 

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
01 Mar 2022, 20:38
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01 Mar 2022, 20:38#68

All I know is that nothing is ever what it seems...

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