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Trump just admitted he downplayed the threat of coronavirus: 'I knew it could be horrible'

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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
01 Apr 2020, 11:25
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01 Apr 2020, 11:25#1
  • President Donald Trump on Tuesday essentially admitted that he downplayed coronavirus at the start.
  • “I knew everything. I knew it could be horrible, I knew it could be maybe good,” Trump said. “I don’t want to be a negative person.”
  • Trump said he wanted to be a “cheerleader” for the United States and give people “hope,” and that’s why he downplayed the threat.
  • But public health experts have slammed Trump’s handling of the pandemic, stating that his efforts to diminish the potential impact robbed the US of vital time needed to prepare. 


  • President Donald Trump on Tuesday said he knew from the start that thousands of Americans could die from the novel coronavirus, but that he continued to downplay the threat because he wanted to stay positive and be a “cheerleader” for the country.


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    At Tuesday’s White House press briefing, Trump was asked if he lulled Americans into a false sense of security by telling the public that the virus would go away quickly, even as it was clear that the number of cases and death toll were on the rise.

    “I knew everything. I knew it could be horrible, I knew it could be maybe good,” Trump said. “I don’t want to be a negative person.”

    “This is really easy to be negative about. But I want to give people hope too. You know I’m a cheerleader for the country – we are going through the worst thing that the country has probably ever seen,” Trump said.

    This came as the top medical experts on the White House coronavirus task force warned that coronavirus could kill 100,000 to 240,000 Americans – even with mitigation experts like social distancing in place.

    Public health experts have previously excoriated Trump’s early efforts to downplay the threat of the virus, stating that it robbed the US of valuable time needed to prepare for the pandemic – potentially costing thousands of lives.

    Trump spent “two months of completely ignoring every bit of scientific advice,” Dr. Ashish Jha, the director of the Harvard Global Health Institute, told Insider earlier this month. “We’ve wasted two months. And this is not a disease where you’re allowed to waste two months.”

    Jha, a general internist who received his MD from Harvard Medical School, slammed Trump for telling Americans everything was “under control” when it “was very clear to anybody paying attention that it was not under control.”

    “I don’t use these words lightly, and it’s incredibly painful for me to say it,” he said, adding: “The cost of all of this is that tens of thousands of Americans are going to die unnecessarily … It was wholly preventable, and not just preventable in hindsight – it was preventable in foresight. Everybody said this is how it was going to play out if they didn’t act.”

    The novel coronavirus, which causes the disease COVID-19, originated in Wuhan, China, first appearing in late December. But it was not identified as a new virus until early January.

    The first confirmed case of coronavirus in the US was on January 21.

    From the start, Trump publicly downplayed the threat, even as intelligence agencies reportedly warned him of an impending pandemic.

    “We have it totally under control,” the president said on January 22. “It’s one person coming in from China, and we have it under control. It’s going to be just fine.”

    Roughly a month later, at a press conference on February 26, Trump said that the number of coronavirus cases in the US would be “close to zero” in a “couple of days.” Meanwhile, top officials at the Centres for Disease Control and Prevention warned that the number of cases in the US was expected to rise, as they urged Americans to prepare for severe disruptions to daily life.

    The US now has the highest number of reported coronavirus cases in the world – over 180,000 – and has seen over 3,600 people die from it as of Tuesday, March 31.

    Though Trump now states he wanted to give people “hope” by misleading them about the threat of the novel coronavirus, much of it also appears to have been linked to the president’s concerns over the economy in relation to his reelection prospects.

    “The LameStream Media is the dominant force in trying to get me to keep our Country closed as long as possible in the hope that it will be detrimental to my election success,” Trump wrote in a tweet last Wednesday. “The real people want to get back to work ASAP. We will be stronger than ever before!”

    Trump is presently taking a more serious tone on coronavirus. The president on Tuesday said that the next two weeks for the US will be “very painful,” calling on “every American to be prepared for the days that lie ahead.”

    “It’s a matter of life and death, frankly,” Trump said of the guidelines in place to prevent the spread of coronavirus.

    Exactly a week ago, however, Trump was calling for coronavirus restrictions to be lifted and for the US economy to be “opened up and just raring to go by Easter.




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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
01 Apr 2020, 12:29
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01 Apr 2020, 12:29#2

Trump tried to stop the general panic that was created at the time and was trying not to reduce the significance of the potential impact pf the virus when t did not bar two cases was not in the USA a all.  He bat flights to and from China.

What would the learned doctor have done in the two month since January or better still when were  the two months referred to.   By the end of January when flights were barred from China - he media  accused him of racism.  In the so-called two months of February and March a hell of a lot was done by the Trump Administration despite the howls from the media and the press.

Where the administration was negligent was not barring all flights from Europe as well in time, especially when it became clear that the virus situation in the EU countries and the UK was extremely bad - he should have banned flights earlier. 

The situation is that the problem became particularly bad in New York - where more than half of the affected people in the USA  are,   Trump was in a battle with the State and City Governments on New York and the lax approach of the latter two administrations contributed to a city which calls itself a sanctuary city where there are hundreds of thousands of  illegal migrants and  thousands living on the sidewalks  with no sanitation facilities in existence,   The City is a mess and obviously sabotaged every measure Trump tried to reduce he spread of the virus in that city,

Anyway - this story seems to be another "wise after he fact" situation and one wonders what the learned doctor said should have been done  and when.                  

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
01 Apr 2020, 12:35
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01 Apr 2020, 12:35#3

"But public health experts have slammed Trump’s handling of the pandemic, stating that his efforts to diminish the potential impact robbed the US of vital time needed to prepare. "


BS, he would have been fought tooth and nail by the hard left no matter his coarse of action...everything he does is viewed with the most negative slant imaginable. Trump is the personification of resistance to the aggressive left's NWO agenda. Everything he does is met with absolute resistance. Pure rabid illogical hate...no alternative views tolerated. It becomes ever more obvious as time g oes by. The world is at a crossroads.

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
01 Apr 2020, 14:06
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01 Apr 2020, 14:06#4

Only a prime ass like dense would go along with all this. 

Trump took steps and was called a racist, xenohobe etc by people now saying he could have acted faster. 

These jackasses were trying to impeach Trump at that time. 

De Blouse io was telling folk to go on as normal when Trump was putting travel bans in place. 

Nanzi Piglosi was saying everyone should visit Chinatown. Then she delayed the aide bill by a week. 

The fact is when Trump started putting on travel bans and warning about the virus these TDS nutjobs lambasted him every time

What utter frauds these people are. They are utterly disgusting.

Trump and his team are doing a fantastic job. Both his firmest critics Governors Newson and Cuomo have said so. Newsom just came out again to praise the Trump administration.

No wonder the globalist media is imploding. They couldn't have made bigger fools of themselves if they tried. 


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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
01 Apr 2020, 14:08
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01 Apr 2020, 14:08#5

These scumbags are hoping that enormous damage is done to the USA economy. Then they will turn around and blame Trump for not opening the economy earlier. 

Yes they are that dishonest, that sick. 

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
01 Apr 2020, 14:19
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01 Apr 2020, 14:19#6

What has happened so far is that Trump got a 60% apprvaal rating for his handling of the crises. As a consequence they are not wanting to cover the briefings.

CNN  was saying maybe they should edit what Trump is saying!!!

The media are the one group getting a negative rating for their coverage of the Wuhan Virus. Their siding with China and their proxy WHO didn't help them either. 

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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
01 Apr 2020, 14:32
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01 Apr 2020, 14:32#7

@clevermike

I appreciate that stopping a general panic is what Trump might have been intending but the question is regardless of his intentions is, has his words led to some in the general public taking  too lax an approach to the crisis, not taking proper precautions and contributing to its spread of the virus and ultimately costing people their lives.

The China flight ban came too late to have much effect. As did the ban from Europe, but I wouldn't blame Trump for either decision. The entire world acted too slow regarding travel restrictions, not just America. The media accused  him of racism because hid decisions to ban China flights wasn't based on medical advise but his own gut instinct (which may have been fueled or partly fueled by racism). He happened to be right on this occasion, but IMO its more a cause of a broken clock happens to be right twice a day than him being smarter than the medical experts.

But while most other countries have got their act together (I don't know what the f*** the Swedes think they are doing at the moment mind you). America has been terribly slow on testing. By mid March after reporting its first case around the same time as South Korea, SK had tested 4,000 people for every 1 million of its popul ation. America had tested just 5 for every 1 million. Last week California was averaging 2,136 tested per day, Ireland with a population almost 10 times smaller than California is now testing around 5,000 a day and in the next week or two intends to ramp up to 15,000 tests per day as capacity allows. Currently per head of population in terms of infections and deaths America is doing better than Ireland but I expect that to change in a few days to a week and that will be to do with Ireland enacting restrictions and testing quicker. So when I hear people say Trump has done a hell of a lot in February and March, I'm not impressed.

The lack of testing is going to cost many American lives, This shouldn't be the case in the most advanced and resource rich country in the world.



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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
01 Apr 2020, 15:48
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01 Apr 2020, 15:48#8
I would have thought even the Trumpanzees would have twigged that their hero completely underestimated the threat of this virus, didn't make the necessary preparations and is single-handedly responsible for the USA now being the epicentre of the disease that might result in hundreds of thousands of US citizens dying . . . but clearly not because they're still defending his short-sighted, irresponsible and self-serving actions.
This is why Bozo unravels every time the question of testing comes up . . . because he knows that he shut down the White House department for pandemics, he knows he reacted far too late, he knows he didn't prepare tests and he knows that the blood of thousands of Americans is now on his hands . . . even if he's still bullshitting the gullible Trumpanzees with these latest "not wanting to cause panic" lies and they're all still drinking all the Kool Aid.
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sharkbokCaptain23,213 posts
01 Apr 2020, 16:15
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01 Apr 2020, 16:15#9
Trump along with many of the world political leaders acted very slowly and totally underestimated this virus and have left their countries unprepared. The scientific models of deaths have been around for ages. 
Sweden has proven to be the most useless. We shall see the Swedish government finally talking about these and implementing social distancing in a few weeks once their hospitals are full. Totally reactive. 
The East seems ahead as they have experienced pandemics in recent years- and they took it more seriously and started to act earlier (Albeit they got the virus earlier).  

The bottom line is that any president/prime minister that was prepared would have: 
1. PPE (Personal Protection Equipment) for medical staff and the public. Look at South Korea - everyone is walking around wearing masks and gloves. In the West, we barely even have enough for health care workers, let alone the public.
The UK has a total shortage and so does the US- as do many countries. I cant buy masks or gloves in a chemist- and will not be able to do so for some time. I walk around in surgical gloves that I had in the cupboard for years - when I got to the shop, and some makeshift mask. The supply and manufacture of PPE should have started months ago. As with ventilators. 

2. Ventilators. Most countries have a massive shortage of ventilators and doing rush jobs to manufacture and distribute them right now. This should have been done months ago.  We have car companies making ventilators... FFS. Everyone and their dog are trying to make ventilators at the last minute. These are makeshift solutions, 
3. Started looking for cures and treatment back in January at least. 
4. Had self-testing kits that were mobile kits and could be posted around the country for self-administration. 
5. Also, testing kits that identified those that have already had it, and therefore could return to work. This would at least allow the economy to not fall apart while trying to deal with the health of those with the virus and those that have not yet had it. 
6. The governments should have been talking amongst themselves about the scientific models of death and then making the public aware sooner. Being scared and aware is better than dying. 
However, the biggest Bufoon was Trump. He genuinely believed it was not a major threat until very recently. He ignored the scientific advice of his scientific experts. Instead, he went on live TV saying that he was a smart person that had a knack for science. He claimed that this would disappear as soon as Spring started like a miracle. Many other BS claims that will all be assembled as snippets of incompetence. The US is going through this crisis with a reality TV star in charge. ..
Anyone that actually believes the BS that Trump is now spilling out is a dummy.
The New York governor was on TV yesterday saying that his own job as governor is to listen to health experts in New York and act accordingly. He flat out said he is not a scientist and when compared to a scientist he himself knows nothing.  It was a direct reference to being the opposite of Trump. 
It is better for the public to be scared as it is the only way to implement social distancing and other measures such as hand washing frequently. People needed to be made aware of this threat to take it seriously. 
Trump's approval ratings in the US may be high now, but the truth will come out after all of this is over. He and many of the world leaders have a lot to answer for. The UK government also has a lot to answer for. 

However China needs to be dealt with the most severely - even it means that total trade bans are put on them, and they are not allowed entry into other countries. The virus is their fault. Our political leaders have not dealt with the situation well, but China created this. 
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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
01 Apr 2020, 16:23
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01 Apr 2020, 16:23#10
There are many graphs and statistics out there showing the rates of Covid 19 death and/or infection but they all show how the USA's trajectory is different to everyone else's. 
See below for an example of how the trajectory changes depending on if you're a country with an intelligent, sane and sensible leader who recognized the threat and took steps to combat it compared to a country with a stupid, boastful, self-serving and incompetent fool in charge who pretended it was just the flu, then said it would go away, then said it was under control and is now busy lying to everyone claiming he didn't say any of those things.

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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
01 Apr 2020, 16:25
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01 Apr 2020, 16:25#11
@Rooinek 
Its not true to say he shut down the White House department for Pandemics the NSC. John Bolton basically restructured the NSC and got rid of the Office of Global Health Security and Biodefense and the person who was running that office Timothy Ziemer wasn't replaced. Some team members where shipped to other groups while others took on some of Ziemer's duties. But the department wasn't dissolved.
I'm not a fan of Trump, but in fairness to him, not everything negative said about his true and its worth fact check claims if they are coming from political opponents.
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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
01 Apr 2020, 16:35
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01 Apr 2020, 16:35#12
Ummmm . . . but Bolton was a Trump appointee and would have had to get Bozo's approval, not so?
I'm not giving a Bozo a get-out-of-jail just because one of his stooges did what Bozo told him to do.
From Wikipedia: "The Directorate of Global Health Security and Biodefense, created by Barack Obama in 2016 in response to the 2014 Ebola outbreak, was responsible "to prepare for the next disease outbreak and prevent it from becoming an epidemic or pandemic."[24][25] The directorate was disbanded when a May 2018 change in organizational structure by John Bolton, Trump's recently appointed head of the National Security Council, resulted in the effective elimination of the office then led by Rear Admiral Tim Ziemer, Sr. Director for Global Health Security and Biothreats. Remaining staff were moved to other NSC departments, prompting Ziemer's resignation, thus completing the elimination of the office.[26][27][25]
The responsibilities that formerly belonged to the directorate, along with those of arms control and nonproliferation, and of weapons of mass destruction terrorism, were absorbed into a single new directorate, counterproliferation and biodefense, and assigned to Tim Morrison in July 2018 as director. Morrison characterized the consolidation as part of an overall NSC "reduction of force" and called it "specious" to say the office was "dissolved," describing the previous size of the organization as "bloat," and stating "That is why Trump began streamlining the NSC staff in 2017."[28][29] Trump defended the 2018 cuts, describing the financial motivation, when questioned in a Feb 2020 press conference, suggesting that people on a pandemic response team are unnecessary between pandemics, saying "Some of the people we cut, they haven’t been used for many, many years." No source of information could be found to support the president's statement, likely because the team was created in 2016 and disbanded in 2018. He continued: " And rather than spending the money — and I’m a business person — I don’t like having thousands of people around when you don’t need them. "[30] The size of the team before cuts was estimated at 430 people, but the "thousands" referenced by the president also included reduction of the CDC."
That all happened under Bozo's watch, didn't it? 
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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
01 Apr 2020, 16:38
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01 Apr 2020, 16:38#13

Stav, Rooinek is well aware of that fact, it just sells his "Hate Trump" pitch better if he slants the way he presents his facts. First and foremost, he remains the most deceitful arsehole around...almost like "Michael" Madcow....insane hate at it's finest.

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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
01 Apr 2020, 16:44
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01 Apr 2020, 16:44#14

@sharkbok

Regarding Trumps ratings, I think part of it is that its natural for a population to rally around its leaders during times of crisis. I recall Bush's ratings going up after 9/11. Over here the government got mauled in February during the elections, effectively coming in third but for various reasons is stuck as a caretaker government at the moment and its ratings have been going up over the last few weeks due to its handling of the crisis.

As for China, firstly it wasn't intentional from the Chinese to spread this around the world, but the attempted cover up/suppression of the virus at the start of the outbreak lead to it become a global pandemic. The worlds need China in the fight against this virus right now, so now's not the time for blame, we all need to be working together. Ireland has just purchased €208 million worth of PPE off them.

There won't be a total trade ban on China, China is too powerful and too big a market to do that too and would cause to much harm to the world economy to do so even at the best of times. The world economy will be in dire straights by the time this is over, the last thing you would want is a trade ban with China, be like pouring petrol onto the fire.

If you think that is unfair, perhaps we should of put a total trade ban on America after the Iraq War debacle. How many thousands of lives were lost over a lie or at best sheer incompetence.

I do expect the Chinese at the very least to bring in new health and safety laws and rules to greatly reduce the possibility of animal to human transmission of viruses. They can't just go back to the same system.

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
01 Apr 2020, 16:49
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01 Apr 2020, 16:49#15

 

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
01 Apr 2020, 17:47
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01 Apr 2020, 17:47#16

The US has a different trajectory because it’s the world’s most mobile society. This disease is China’s fault and they compounded the problem. Second in line for blame is the WHO who endorsed the no human to human claim.


Trump took the first dramatic action outside China to control the virus by banning flights from China. I think he was a week slow to ban flights from Europe....but was still criticized by Europe and the media for doing so.


Mistakes were made at the federal level, eg by the CDC on testing. But those are the ‘scientists’ the media so want us to obey. Trumps actions on getting the private sector to build ventilators, getting the hospital ship to NY, setting aside drug guidelines not suited for a crisis....we’re all early and right.


The US is a federal system....much of the responsibility rests with governors and mayors. Clearly NY didn’t act early enough.


As for the ‘I knew it could be horrible’ .....I’m sure Churchill knew there could have been Nazis jack booting down Piccadilly, but he didn’t say so because it wouldn’t have helped. Could Trump, in hindsight, have been more cautionary. Sure....but check out the statements of media darling Fauci and see if his tone was much different.


In crises leaders have to learn, and the effective ones adapt. The fog of war creates many false leads, nobody gets this kind of thing right from the beginning. If the media hadn’t rejected history in favour of wokeness they would get that. So far they have been incredibly naive.

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
01 Apr 2020, 19:00
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01 Apr 2020, 19:00#17

"Ummmm . . . but Bolton was a Trump appointee and would have had to get Bozo's approval, not so?


I'm not giving a Bozo a get-out-of-jail just because one of his stooges did what Bozo told him to do."
WHOOSH!!!! of the year. LMAO!
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
01 Apr 2020, 19:42
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01 Apr 2020, 19:42#18

The fact is I still want to know about the two month story,   The first reports on the coronavirus started round about the end of December 2019.   Up to that stage the  Chinese Government had arrested the doctors who on social media referred to the potential of a new virus being causing serious health problems,   

Widespread news reporting on the virus outside of China only started towards the middle off January with the first news referring to the virus only relating to what happened in China,.  The rest of the world knew very little about what was happening anyway - since the media is censored by the Chinese Government,  Spreading information on social media was even restricted.  

What was clear is that something terrible was happening in China and the WHO and the Chinese Government did nothing to warn the other countries of the dangerous situation that may have consequences,   Fact is that what was reported in  the Western Media  only started really surfing bat the third week of January,    By then China realized  that the roble could escalate and the WHO helped China to mislead the world about the potential worldwide effect of the virus.

Any action taken at the time was not really based on the Chinese admission that the world must prepare themselves for an outbreak of the virus.   Western Intelligence must have known there was a problem. but the magnitude of which was largely hidden from view even by them.   The situation was worsened when China expelled some journalists from China.   At this stage China claimed that the infection rate and death toll is declining - but in view of the censorship of the Chinese media nobody knows whether the Chinese statements are actually true and what the real situation is in China itself,

S0o what preparations could be made before the end of January?   virtually no country in the world outside of China knew what was going on and potential action was delayed  because of the WHO  lack of action because of their fear anything they do would be an affront to China,  

The problems outside of China  started spreading after the second week in February.  Initial reports from Japan and South Korea started to circulate,  as from the middle of February   Those two countries had a 14 day advantage over the rest and they were basically the countries that provided more information on the impact and treatment of cases,  

Panic really started in Europe at the beginning of March and the fact is that by then there was a few cases of virus carriers Western states of the USA  probably due to the fact  that Trump closed the travelling to and from China by the end of January,   

There is another problem in the USA  and that is that Health Services on the ground is the responsibility of the States and not the central Government,   The move to get to a stage where the Central Government can interfere in the process are limited,   A typical example was a swine flue epidemic which hit the USA in 2009.   The Obama Administration initially did nothing on a countrywide scale but introduced some measures after he death toll exceeded 11 000 deaths,  

Trump could only interfere in the matter by banning flights from other countries and take measures relating to what could arise from international sources,    The fact is that Trump could only declare a National State of Emergency and that the State Governors and there administration should handle the issue,    Could Trump declare such a State of Emergency earlier and the answer is NO.  The situation om the USA initially was not serious enough before the middle of March,    

So what happened in fact in the USA,   Every measure taken by the Trump Government was met by howls of protest from the Democrats,   When he banned flights from China at he end of January he was attacked as a racist and worse,.  When he did the same with the EU, the UK and other countries, the attacks were even worse.   

Furthermore what actually happened on the Ground was also causing the present situation in for instance New York City.   A mere 14 days ago the Mayor said that the people should continue with their normal lives ad not be concerned abut the virus issue,,  When flights from countries to the East of the USA were banned by Trump the Mayor went ballistic,   So what is the situation at present,   More than half of the carriers in the USA is in New York City, and that is definitely not Trump - but the Democrats who caused the havoc in New York.   Unlike the  Mayor the Governor of New York State and the Governor of the other most threatened State California had a series of negotiations with Trump and they both being extreme leftists admitted that they were satisfied with what was decided upon.

The major problem in the USA was not what Trump did or did not do - it was the Democrats  who basically tried to change the situation onto a political football to try to gain political advantage from the calamity,    That is where the present scenario is so desperate,  Whatever the US Government did according to the Democrats and their supporting media were wrong and that would have an impact on  announcing of measures.   The legislation dealing with the issue was delayed by 10 days because the Democrats added requirements on their policy changes - like an open border policy - in the legislation.   In the end the Republicans told the Democrats further negotiations on the legislation was out and the DP Senators folded.

Nancy Pelosi as Speaker submitted a 14 hundred page draft Bill suggesting in about 50 pages measures to be taken by the Government pertaining to the coronavirus - the rest entailed the implementation of lunacy policies on everything else elements of the DP are advocating,  In the end she also realized that she had no option but to approve the Bill after 10 days of Democrat folly,      .                            .                                 .                                                   

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BrycyPro4,671 posts
01 Apr 2020, 19:50
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01 Apr 2020, 19:50#19

...notsoclevermike there is a difference between banning flights and imposing travel restrictions....on Jan 14 the US restricted travel for foreign nationals who had been in China in the previous 14 days...but flights between the US and China continued

So Americans just as capable of transmitting a virus still had free passage between Us and China...

Same with the Europe ban still exempted Americans from any restrictions whatsoever...and then screening at US airports were laughably weak...

Its hard to see the virus being contained any time soon ...check out a screenshot of the passenger flights currently in flight above the US


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sharkbokCaptain23,213 posts
01 Apr 2020, 20:06
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01 Apr 2020, 20:06#20
Surely the Fed are the ones that have the authority to force commercial companies to produce medical supplies as an emergency measure war law. It is not as if the New York Governor/Mayor can do this. 
It would seem a bit pointless having a national government if the regional states can always do their own thing. A central government will usually deal with the most extreme stuff and the purpose of having a central government.
New York like London are world-famous cities with many international travellers, so it would seem likely that these cities would be the first to get infected by an overseas virus within their respective countries.It is not that they have been more reckless, it is just the reality that many EU travellers flew to New York and London and brought the virus with them. 

The lockdown should apply across all of the USA, otherwise, it will just spread from state to state. Quarantine in major cities in the world could be an option for a few weeks to prevent to other locations within their respective countries. 

Looking at that map from Bryce it is very likely that many US citizens have travelled from New York and taken the virus with them all over the US. The exponential growth rate of the virus means it is just not apparent right away.Just like Sweden have not shown much sign of Corona yet, there is no reason to assume this will not change very soon.

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sharkbokCaptain23,213 posts
01 Apr 2020, 20:24
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01 Apr 2020, 20:24#22

@Stav, China is important to the world economy - but the rest of the world could slow faze them out of the picture. Sure it will be bad for the global economy- but surely better than the current predicament. South Korea and other players in the East are also starting to emerge. 

Their communist nature of surprising information has played a part in the rest of the world not being aware of the virus- and actions that could have been taken earlier. 

China will probably self regulate- but the UN and any other global body should put sanctions on them to ensure they are doing this. The sanctions/fines could increase annually to give them more incentive- until their a re no more wet markets.

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BrycyPro4,671 posts
01 Apr 2020, 20:59
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01 Apr 2020, 20:59#23

See also Fox News the propaganda arm of the White House might also be sued for their part in this mess....they had millions of elderly Americans convinced the epidemic was a hoax to hurt Trump's re election.....they put their own viewers health at risk...they could be libel for the deaths of thousands of Americans..




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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
01 Apr 2020, 22:14
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01 Apr 2020, 22:14#24

You’re kidding right Bricey.....you can’t be that naive. Moving  along Germany has done best of the major European countries....and they did all the ‘right’ things. So let’s compare Germany and the US.


Germany 10 deaths per 1 million people and 889 cases per 1 million people.


USA 12 deaths per 1 million people and 573 cases per 1 million.


So what do we make of that? Firstly the German testing has been more comprehensive, so I expect the US number of cases will rise to German levels. 

Secondly the death rate is marginally higher in the US, probably  because the cluster in NY has overwhelmed the numbers and the system. Germany has no equivalent city...just a series of smaller cities like Berlin, Frankfurt and Munich.....nothing approaching the density of NY.



But compare the US numbers to France which has 799 cases per million of population and 54 deaths....and the US is obviously looking much better. And given Spain and Italy the US would look much better against the Euro zone as whole.


These numbers are still incredibly fluid, but in the meantime let’s  keep it real. It’s sad that at this horrible time one has to point out these relative tragedies, but that’s where this disgusting media takes the dialogue.

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sharkbokCaptain23,213 posts
01 Apr 2020, 22:28
#25
01 Apr 2020, 22:28#25
Why is testing as many people possible seen to be so critical? It does provide metrics such as 
  1. Number of deaths vs those that have tested positive
  2. How many people per capita have been infected in each city, town and country.
These numbers will change from week to week. At the current rate this virus spreads, it seems that everyone will get it without the lockdown - regardless of what your city situation currently is.  
Also being tested by a medical person increases the risk of the virus spreading more- albeit a postal version for self-administration will soon be available. It still seems academic because the virus may just go from location to location until everyone has had it. 
Any of us could be tested this week and be negative, and then pick up the virus a few days later. Am I missing something, as it seems testing as many people as possible is seen to be vital by many countries?
What would be much more useful is testing for which people that have already recovered from Corona- and then allowing them back to work. Also, some record to prove this, so they can go back into social and work situations.
The speed that the virus spreads we can assume that everyone will get it without the lockdown and social distancing. Even then, unless the virus goes away 100%, a new wave could just start again - and it will target people that have not already had it.
Apparently, anyone that has had it already and survived, anti-bodies develop within the immune systems against the virus and last for something like 12 months. So unless there is a way to stimulate these antibodies in our systems to remain active, we could just get the virus again the following year... So even the test for people that have had it may only be valid for 12 months.  
If no indefinite cure is created to not become contagious again for the rest of our lives, this could just be a new form of an upgraded flue that will take out lots of people each year. However, much more contagious than the flue...
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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
01 Apr 2020, 22:51
#26
01 Apr 2020, 22:51#26

Been my advice to the fkwit for yonks

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BrycyPro4,671 posts
01 Apr 2020, 23:39
#27
01 Apr 2020, 23:39#27

...The point of the thread,  Trump's down playing and dithering, call it incompetence if you like has lead to many unneccesary deaths...a response amounting to criminal negligence according to some ...

.. Senate Republicrims were briefed and knew in advance what was going to happen ...they sold their stocks in advance of the stock market crash while telling Americans everything was okay.....GOPers that is caught red handed commiting insider trading selling off stocks before the market crashed, a crime...another case of corruption ..

Fat Donny also admitted he knew it was a pandemic all along....but downplayed the virus dozens of times,  fiddled like Nero , played golf and held nine hillbilly hate rallies that would have helped to spread the virus...

The US response will be studied for generations as a disastrous, failed effort. What's happened in Washington has been a fiasco of incredible proportions. We are witnessing one of the greatest failures of governance and basic leadership in modern times

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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
01 Apr 2020, 23:50
#28
01 Apr 2020, 23:50#28
"We are witnessing one of the greatest failures of governance and basic leadership in modern times"
In years to come, history will show that this statement applies to Bozo's entire term, not just this lastest fiasco.
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
02 Apr 2020, 00:12
#29
02 Apr 2020, 00:12#29
The left frantically tells us it’s a disaster, whereas it’s a actually a building success story. As the Chairman of Abbott Labs, the creator of the crucial 15 minute test break through  said, they could only do what they did because of the unprecedented support of the administration.
But they will never find a vaccine for stupidity or  TDS.
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sharkbokCaptain23,213 posts
02 Apr 2020, 00:15
#30
02 Apr 2020, 00:15#30
Obama would have given the same support, but much earlier...  The US has much more resources than in any country.  Any of us could rubber-stamp the approval...and then say everyone has been fantastic. 
"Hey, he sure knows how to sell pillows"... That is how Trump introduces a CEO at the announcement of the pandemic...Trump gets people to speak at his "infomercials" that are Christians who stick together. 
They also get an opportunity to promote their wares at life-saving events. "Would you like a pillow with 25% discount + the Coronavirus cure? Buy now, limited time offer!"
Maybe this reality TV star should also get the Kardashians onboard
However, there will be an independent tribunal after this is all over...
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
02 Apr 2020, 01:11
#31
02 Apr 2020, 01:11#31

The same Obama that fiddled while the Middle East imploded and our embassy in Libya was under attack.....I think not.

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sharkbokCaptain23,213 posts
02 Apr 2020, 01:14
#32
02 Apr 2020, 01:14#32

Well Bush, Clinton or any person. Even a dead JKF would add more value

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
02 Apr 2020, 01:20
#33
02 Apr 2020, 01:20#33

The Clinton that ignored the warning signs of terrorism even when embassies and ships were under attack, the Bush that fiddled while the financial crisis bubbled just below the surface and then allowed the demise of Lehman Brothers which made disaster certain, or the Kennedy that engineered the Bay of Pigs? Give me a break!

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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
02 Apr 2020, 02:05
#34
02 Apr 2020, 02:05#34

Tricky Dickie, Rockin' Ronnie, Dubbya & now Trompie ..... what a quartet . Yep, you need a break.

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
02 Apr 2020, 04:31
#35
02 Apr 2020, 04:31#35
Ag ja ou Blobbie...as a Fidel man yourself you know how to pick ‘em!
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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
02 Apr 2020, 07:50
#36
02 Apr 2020, 07:50#36

"Trump's down playing and dithering, call it incompetence if you like has …"

The first reported case in the USA was Jan 19 on the same day as the first reported case in South Korea. Here's the thing, in South Korea they immediately went into lockdown whereas the USA went into partial lockdown 2 months later and are still only in partial lockdown.

There is another report that in the USA the virus was traced back as early as December 2019 which I believe is correct because a  family member living in Sydney contracted the virus after holidaying in New York over the Xmas period. He was admitted to a hospital in Sydney on his return.

I believe the west was slow in it's response to the corona virus outbreak, one can debate that some countries were slower than others but to state that Trump was Jonny on the spot proactive in his response is a blatant lie. Going by the timeline from the first announced outbreak  to lockdown there is a gap of 2 months.


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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
02 Apr 2020, 10:40
#37
02 Apr 2020, 10:40#37

Denny,  Trompie, BoJo & ScoMo fcked up, underestimating the crisis.............. Trompie, undoubtedly, the biggest culprit.

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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
02 Apr 2020, 11:01
#38
02 Apr 2020, 11:01#38

Sure, as I've said they were all slow in coming forward some more so than others but here's the thing......Trump is the only one who claims he knew "everything" and he was the only one who dithered with ideas of letting the virus run it's course saying that the flu killed 50,000 Americans a year whereas the corona killed less than 1% and that the cost to the economy would be worse than trying to cure the effects of the virus.

It took him 2 months to get it into his head that DR Fauci and Dr Birx had it right from the start not the business brigade.

Got to feel for Dr Fauci…….watching the FOX WH press conference this morning I got the impression watching him that he knows that it's in his best interest to allow Trump the world's newest medical expert to be the centre of attention.

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CeradynePro9,374 posts
02 Apr 2020, 12:42
#39
02 Apr 2020, 12:42#39
And then there are the loonies who are more concerned about Trump’s answer to Jim Acosta than China’s deception of the entire world. No problem with China BSing the entire world, causing thousands of deaths. Also no issue with the Dems’ impeachment fever while Trump was busy worrying about preventing the virus from coming into the USA.
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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
02 Apr 2020, 12:53
#40
02 Apr 2020, 12:53#40

Vlag, do me a favour, if you want to discuss the BS coming out of China and/or if you want to make excuses for Trump then feel free to open another or other threads. Right now we are staying with the subject matter. I might even venture an opinion...depends.

Thank you Vlag/Cera.

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