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Trump just admitted he downplayed the threat of coronavirus: 'I knew it could be horrible'

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
02 Apr 2020, 13:46
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02 Apr 2020, 13:46#41

Trump did more and he did it faster than any other Western Country, bar Italy and he was attacked by the opposition for what measures he put in place. He would have been attacked regardless of his action or inaction. It's about resisting the man, not about what he does. Half the world hates him and will fault everything he does, the other half like him.

It is thus on this board and on various boards world wide. It's the personification of a clash of two world ideologies and it's getting more severe with every passing day. In the end it will come down to a simple choice...


F unny how Denny and Rooi are ending up on the same side of the fence on this one...

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sharkbokCaptain23,215 posts
02 Apr 2020, 13:54
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02 Apr 2020, 13:54#42

If Trump stood on his head and spun around, his supporters would be adding that to Trump's list of actions to deal with the virus more effectively than other countries.

Rooineck provided a basic chart that most 10 years olds would understand. The more vertical the curve, the worse it has been dealt with in that respective country. A mathematical fact. Simple as... 

It does not matter what a country ruling political party ideology is. The steeper the curve, the worse they have dealt with it. 

Trump is finally talking about stopping interstate flights, but it may be too late. It is pretty obvious that flights from New York to another state are a means for the virus to travel.

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
02 Apr 2020, 14:01
#43
02 Apr 2020, 14:01#43
  • President Donald Trump on Tuesday essentially admitted that he downplayed coronavirus at the start.
  • “I knew everything. I knew it could be horrible, I knew it could be maybe good,” Trump said. “I don’t want to be a negative person.”
  • Trump said he wanted to be a “cheerleader” for the United States and give people “hope,” and that’s why he downplayed the threat.
  • But public health experts have slammed Trump’s handling of the pandemic, stating that his efforts to diminish the potential impact robbed the US of vital time needed to prepare. 


    The rest of the world's leaders did not act any more decisively and they don't fare much better, yet you don't see the world media constantly spinning everything in the negative.

    If this turned out to be less dangerous, he would have been castigated for acting too severe. He is in a perpetual state of impeachment for all the troubles in the world. A permanent no-win-situation. Whatever he does will be questioned and attacked. 

    This started on the day he announced his candidacy and it won't stop until he leaves office. Petulant spite till the very end.  The worl has gone bonkers...I won't be surprised if the end is really Ni gh.
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sharkbokCaptain23,215 posts
02 Apr 2020, 14:05
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02 Apr 2020, 14:05#44
Actually Draad, when this is all over, there will be enquiries all around the world. The UK has not dealt with this well either - as the chart shows... This is the time to see the difference between opinion and fact. 
Even if the ruling party stays in power within their respective countries , certain leaders within the party may have to go. 
Stav posted an interesting analysis that suggested the UK intentionally decided to ignore it to build up herd immunity. This did not work and allowed the virus to spread faster, and the UK has one of the steepest curves. Boris Johnston and his political strategist have both become positive for the virus, as well as the health minister. 
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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
02 Apr 2020, 14:06
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02 Apr 2020, 14:06#45

Draad

Drop your sensitivities, you aren't doing yourself any favours, start by reading my thread where I clearly say...."I believe the west was slow in it's response to the corona virus outbreak, one can debate that some countries were slower than others...."

And just to labour the point, it is not an attack  aimed at your poster buddy specifically, I have pointed a finger at others as well including our own PM who may I say is doing an outstanding job.

And Draad, I find it offensive that you are dragging my name alongside of Koosie. And if you still don't understand, I've expressed an opinion I don't give a rat's what others think, I have no pact or tryst with anyone on this matter and I won't be doing cartwheels if anyone agrees with me. Unlike others on here I don't need anyone to agree with me.

Kapeesh?

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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
02 Apr 2020, 14:07
#46
02 Apr 2020, 14:07#46

Only the dimmest and most brainwashed Trumpanzee would possibly think that Bozo did more than the other Western leaders who implemented lockdowns, prepared medical facilities, made testing as available as possible and advised the public on the dangers.

The country which the USA can be compared to in terms of taking the virus seriously and doing the necessary preparations is Belarus.

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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
02 Apr 2020, 14:16
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02 Apr 2020, 14:16#47

Sharkbok

The USA is going to be chasing it's tail on this one, the proven successful model is for a complete lockdown with only essential services operating. It's as simple as that. The USA is effectively in a partial lockdown. 

We know that the CV virus survives on hard surfaces, how on earth are they going to stop it's promulgation with a sky littered with airplanes?...and people crossing borders?

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
02 Apr 2020, 14:16
#48
02 Apr 2020, 14:16#48

"Actually Draad, when this is all over, there will be enquiries all around the world. 

The UK has not dealt with this well either - as the chart shows...
Even if the ruling party stays in power, certain leaders may have to go. "
Agreed, but in their defense: This is unprecedented, how were they to know how to act? They still don't know, they are learning on the job. It's one thing to preach a total shut down, it's a whole different monster in practice.
It might be fine for countries like China, Korea and even some EU countries to lock things down. It's a whole different kettle of fish trying to do that in a country like the USA...and even South Africa for that matter. For starters, the populace will have to be complacent....good luck with that.
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sharkbokCaptain23,215 posts
02 Apr 2020, 14:17
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02 Apr 2020, 14:17#49


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sharkbokCaptain23,215 posts
02 Apr 2020, 14:21
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02 Apr 2020, 14:21#50
Yes Denny, the East has more experience dealing with this virus and others. 
It is just following their playbook to deal with the problem. e.g. PPE and Total Lockdowns- except essential services.  
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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
02 Apr 2020, 14:25
#51
02 Apr 2020, 14:25#51

And Draad...

Nothing you've said contributes to the debate. All you've done is pull out a tissue to wipe your tears as you cry about the criticism fired at your hero. Why don't you make a constructive effort to prove me wrong starting with the timeline I've provided? And again, prove me wrong when I say that Trump has failed to follow a proven model to defeat the spread of the virus.

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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
02 Apr 2020, 14:30
#52
02 Apr 2020, 14:30#52

"This is unprecedented, how were they to know how to act?"

Not according to your hero....he said he knew "everything" and that he reacted immediately.. No other leader said the same.

What don't you get Draad?

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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
02 Apr 2020, 14:33
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02 Apr 2020, 14:33#53

"Yes Denny, the East has more experience dealing with this virus and others."

Australia is not too shabby either......have a look at the link I've provided, there's been an encouraging dip in the curve.

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
02 Apr 2020, 14:37
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02 Apr 2020, 14:37#54

From your own post:

"President Donald Trump on Tuesday essentially admitted that he downplayed coronavirus at the start.

  • “I knew everything. I knew it could be horrible, I knew it could be maybe good,” Trump said.

He had all the data at his disposal, but he can't see into the future and no-one were sure what the correct cause of action should be. ...if this is not unprecedented, please point me to where this has happened before in modern times?
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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
02 Apr 2020, 14:48
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02 Apr 2020, 14:48#55

It took him 2 months to start a plan of action, a bit slower than some other western nations, South Korea has a model, they started there's soon after an outbreak of the virus.Their model is proving successful. Trump also has the benefit of proven experts in DRs Fauci and Birx……..he dithered.....he tossed around the ideas of the business leaders instead of following sound medical and scientific advice. By the time he started his plan of action it was 2 months late. Australia has followed the South Korean model and added a few improvements and although slow to begin with they started theirs before the USA and as from this morning the results are looking good.

Your man says he knew "everything"....are you deny ing he said that?

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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
02 Apr 2020, 14:52
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02 Apr 2020, 14:52#56

Goodnight!

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sharkbokCaptain23,215 posts
02 Apr 2020, 14:58
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02 Apr 2020, 14:58#57
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sharkbokCaptain23,215 posts
02 Apr 2020, 14:58
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02 Apr 2020, 14:58#58
Trump was the only buffoon that made claims such as:- He is a smart guy with a knack for science. - His scientists said he should have worked in science. 
- It will go away like a miracle when spring starts- He has it under control. 
However, the Trumpazees will always follow their master. The bottom line is they see Trump as some type of religious Messiah sent by God. Religion only clouds reason and facts. The antithesis to science. It is having a belief and then shaping the data to support this. No objectivity what so ever. Religion adds less than zero value in a situation like this.  God never sent the virus or the cure, and he sure as hell did not send Trump

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
02 Apr 2020, 15:07
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02 Apr 2020, 15:07#59

"Your man says he knew "everything"....are you denying he said that?"

"“I knew everything. I knew it could be horrible, I knew it could be maybe good,” Trump said."

I'm denying nothing. Context is a bitch. 

It's one thing locking down 20M to 30M...even 60M people...quite another doing that with 320M and still supplying them with food and medical care. This is not a simple thing like flipping a switch.

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PakieCaptain17,321 posts
02 Apr 2020, 15:52
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02 Apr 2020, 15:52#60

You start action too early, people say you're overreacting. If SA was put in lockdown in February there would have been massive resistance. Lockdown for what? A bit of flu? Same with the USA.

And who would have been at the forefront of calling out Trump for overreacting had he imposed an early lockdown? The same Democrats who are now telling you that he didn't act soon enough. The same Democrats who now also want choloroquine to be used in their states after harassing Trump about his support of the drug and trying to get it banned as treatment for the virus.

Stay woke, sheeple

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sharkbokCaptain23,215 posts
02 Apr 2020, 17:28
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02 Apr 2020, 17:28#61
The Trumpanzees are on the run!  Creating new threads, because their master has been proven as ineffective on this thread! 


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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
02 Apr 2020, 17:35
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02 Apr 2020, 17:35#62
Indeed Pakie, the country of the free won't let themselves be locked up because of hearsay...they are definitely not as docile and complacent as most other countries seem to be.
I would further wager that they are probably going to bounce back and weather this thing better than most....time will tell, but it's certainly not the zombie apocalypse some are propagating. 
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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
02 Apr 2020, 17:37
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02 Apr 2020, 17:37#63

Snark , we shall se who will be vindicated in the end...sheep-on.

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sharkbokCaptain23,215 posts
02 Apr 2020, 17:51
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02 Apr 2020, 17:51#64

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PakieCaptain17,321 posts
02 Apr 2020, 19:28
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02 Apr 2020, 19:28#65

Have we already forgotten Biden using the words "xenophobia" and "fear-mongering" in response to Trump's travel ban on China? If he shut down the country a week or two later, what would they have said then?

Easy for us to make couch calls that have no effect on the world, lads. When you're in charge of 320 million people and your decision will affect each and every one of them, it's a little different.

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sharkbokCaptain23,215 posts
02 Apr 2020, 19:37
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02 Apr 2020, 19:37#66

@Pakie, I refer you to Rooinecks chart. 

We can all have opinions, but the steeper the curve, the worse a country is doing in the battle against Corona. The curve is empirical data, it is not an opinion. 

The quicker a country flattens the curve, the better they have dealt with the problem. Can you logically dispute this? 

It is true that the opposition political party will challenge every situation, but that is part and parcel of being involved in politics. This has not stopped Trump in his other controversial policies. 

I don't see many people saying that the political candidates for the Democrats are fantastic, far from it. Politicians are not the most trustworthy people, and some have even jumped ship to the other political party if it is to their own personal benefit. 

However, Trump just seems to be a compulsive liar that believes his own press. Americans and non-Americans did not have this type of problem with other Republican leaders. It just seems that Trump can go from day to day lying, but his loyal followers will unquestionably believe him.

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sharkbokCaptain23,215 posts
02 Apr 2020, 19:38
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02 Apr 2020, 19:38#67

https://www.salon.com/2020/04/02/our-dunning-kruger-president-trumps-arrogance-and-ignorance-are-killing-people/

Our Dunning-Kruger president: Trump's arrogance and ignorance are killing people

When stupid people think they're smart, they do maximum damage. That's where we are with Trump and the pandemic

The Dunning-Kruger effect is a term that describes a psychological phenomenon in which stupid people do not know that they are in fact stupid.

Writing at Pacific Standard, psychologist David Dunning — one of the social psychologists who first documented this type of cognitive bias — describes it in more detail:

In many areas of life, incompetent people do not recognize? —? scratch that, cannot recognize ?—? just how incompetent they are, a phenomenon that has come to be known as the Dunning-Kruger effect. Logic itself almost demands this lack of self-insight: For poor performers to recognize their ineptitude would require them to possess the very expertise they lack. To know how skilled or unskilled you are at using the rules of grammar, for instance, you must have a good working knowledge of those rules, an impossibility among the incompetent. Poor performers? —? and we are all poor performers at some things? —? fail to see the flaws in their thinking or the answers they lack. What's curious is that, in many cases, incompetence does not leave people disoriented, perplexed, or cautious. Instead, the incompetent are often blessed with an inappropriate confidence, buoyed by something that feels to them like knowledge.

The Dunning-Kruger effect manifests in the form of the drunk at the bar who weighs in on every conversation with unwanted advice, the online troll who monopolizes comment sections, or the person who reads one book (or perhaps the introduction) and then acts like an authority on the subject.

Visionary science-fiction writer Isaac Asimov signaled to the Dunning-Kruger effect with his famous observation in 1980: "There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'"  

Donald Trump is the Dunning-Kruger president of the United States.

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But he is also something much worse than that. Donald Trump is an almost perfect living, breathing example of the Dunning-Kruger effect: a president in a time of plague whose ignorance and stupidity are amplified through apparent and obvious mental illness as well as cruelty, compulsive lying, grand immorality, corruption and evil.

Americans have already died because of Trump's false claims about the novel coronavirus pandemic. Many more will die in the weeks and months ahead.

At Tuesday's coronavirus White House "briefing" (another version of Trump's ego-stroking carnival political rallies) he made another "expert" suggestion about how to defeat the novel coronavirus pandemic: Wear scarves instead of masks for protection.

In fact, scarves offer no protection against the coronavirus.

Several weeks ago, Donald Trump visited the headquarters of the Centers for Disease Control where he made this astonishing claim: 

You know, my uncle was a great person. He was at MIT. He taught at MIT for, I think, like a record number of years. He was a great super genius. Dr. John Trump. I like this stuff. I really get it. People are surprised that I understand it. Every one of these doctors said, 'How do you know so much about this? ' Maybe I have a natural ability. Maybe I should have done that instead of running for president.

Apparently, Trump believes he knows more than some of the best trained and experienced doctors and medical researchers in the world.

Trump also believes himself to be an expert on the types of medical equipment needed to fight the novel coronavirus. He has suggested that governors in New York, New Jersey, Michigan and elsewhere are intentionally exaggerating the number of ventilators needed in hospitals to care for victims of the pandemic.

On multiple occasions, Donald Trump has claimed that there is no ventilator shortage in New York. According to him, ventilators and other medical equipment being stolen by doctors, nurses and other medical staff who are selling them, bringing them home for personal use or perhaps even hoarding the equipment in private.

Donald Trump claims to have magical powers. He has repeatedly said that the novel coronavirus will disappear at some future date which only he can predict.

Trump has said he was the first person to label the novel coronavirus a "pandemic." And because he believes himself to be an expert on all things, Trump can pivot without pause, apprehension or doubt from claiming that the novel coronavirus was a "hoax" to embracing the view that it is a dire threat that could kill hundreds of thousands if not millions of Americans.

Trump is also an epidemiologist or virologist, at least in his mind. Last week he said, "You can call it a germ, you can call it a flu, you can call it a virus, you know you can call it many different names. I'm not sure anybody even knows what it is."

Medical professionals know what the novel coronavirus is and have been warning the Trump administration about the threat for months.

Most likely for partisan reasons and also because of racism (Trump's immense disdain for Barack Obama), Trump's administration also ignored the step-by-step suggestions for fighting a pandemic outlined by the National Security Council in 2016.

Donald Trump has evidently made decisions about which Americans should live and which should die based on their perceived partisan loyalty.

The Dunning-Kruger president is an expert in so many things that it is difficult to keep track of them all. Writing at MSNBC, Steven Benen made a valiant effort at cataloguing Trump's claims to preternatural expertise:

About a year ago, for example, Trump was reflecting on technology measures that have been deployed along the U.S./Mexico border, and he assured the public, "I'm a professional at technology."

What kind of technology? He didn't say, but we can probably assume he meant every possible kind.

As we discussed at the time, Trump has also claimed to be the world's foremost authority on everything from terrorism to campaign finance, the judicial system to infrastructure, trade to renewable energy. NowThis prepared a video montage on the subject a while back, and it was amazing to see the many subjects on which the president considers himself a world-class expert.

A belief in their inherent intelligence and great skill in all things is a common trait among authoritarians and other demagogues such as Donald Trump. North Korean leader Kim Jong-un, according to national legend, could shoot guns better than a trained sniper at age three. At age eight, he was a daredevil truck driver. Adolf Hitler and his acolytes also made claims to greatness and superhuman abilities.

Trump's embrace of stupidity and ignorance reflects much deeper problems in the United States generally, and the Republican Party and the conservative movement in particular. 

Today's Republican Party and conservative movement possess a deep disdain and hostility towards true experts and qualified, proven professionals. Such people are slurred as being "elitists" or not "real Americans," and are suspected of being liberal Democrats who belong to a "deep state" cabal working against Donald Trump and his army of real Americans, with the goal of enslaving them to "political correctness."

Many of Trump's strongest supporters are Christian nationalists who aim to overturn the Constitution and destroy secular, science-based, empirical reality and society. Such people believe in magic, and are the most stalwart, influential and loyal members of Trump's political death cult.

Historian and political scientist Richard Hofstadter famously warned that Republicans and other conservatives had succumbed to the allure and power of anti-intellectualism. Hofstadter's "Anti-Intellectualism in American Life" was written in 1963.

Writing in 1947, Albert Camus reflected on Nazism and authoritarianism through the metaphor of misery and suffering caused by a plague:

The evil in the world comes almost always from ignorance, and goodwill can cause as much damage as ill-will if it is not enlightened. People are more often good than bad, though in fact that is not the question. But they are more or less ignorant and this is what one calls vice or virtue, the most appalling vice being the ignorance that thinks it knows everything and which consequently authorizes itself to kill. The murderer's soul is blind, and there is no true goodness or fine love without the greatest possible degree of clear-sightedness.

Some 70 years later, Camus' warnings resonate in the age of Donald Trump.

People such as Donald Trump are all too common among humanity. Unfortunately, some of them rise to great prominence during the most dangerous and troubled times — times when their ignorance and hubris has the power to kill hundreds, thousands or even millions of people. Such a time is now.

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
02 Apr 2020, 20:28
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02 Apr 2020, 20:28#68

‘And because he believes himself to be an expert on all things, Trump can pivot without pause, apprehension or doubt from claiming that the novel coronavirus was a "hoax" to embracing the view that it is a dire threat that could kill hundreds of thousands if not millions of Americans.’


There’s your lie. Trump never said it was a hoax, although given this tit’s problem with the language maybe he really believes he did.


‘ People are more often good than bad, though in fact that is not the question.’


There’s your one dimensional thought process. Childish  rubbish from a low level intellect with the vocabulary of a 10  year old.

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
02 Apr 2020, 21:17
#69
02 Apr 2020, 21:17#69

One wonders how much longer sharktwit can escape the asylum. The loon gets more unhinged by the day. 

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
02 Apr 2020, 22:55
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02 Apr 2020, 22:55#70

Willful dishonesty and disinformation...straight from the Commie playbook....democracy my arse...these fools are begging for totalitarian tyranny....thinking they'll be the ones making the rules for everyone else. 

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