Trump & Putin Agree to Ceasefire in Ukraine

Putin gets to keep the land he has already taken. Trump gets the rare earth minerals.

Saarkie, its 'agreed to negotiate'

The sell out begins.

I've no issue with the American's saying this is primarily a European security issue and that the Europeans should pay the bulk of the cost.

But I've no idea why they thinks they then get to negotiate a peace deal with Russia while leaving Europe and potentially Ukraine out of the negotiations in Saudi Arabia and then expects the European's to honor the deal.

You'd have to ask what it means for Ukraine?......in a word....a sellout. Ukraine will possibly get back some of the land containing Rare Earth Minerals, not all of it.....just enough to MAGA.

Love hero Donnie is sucking up to Putin big time again, wouldn't have happened under Biden or any other POTUS.

Disgusting!

Nothing new .............. Trump never ever never said a word to Putin over Russia's genocidal indiscriminate bombing of civilian infrastructure where nothing has been spared . Homes hospitals schools kindergarten maternity wards children's playgrounds supermarkets open market areas & energy grids, so those they don't kill can hopefully freeze to death. They claimed to have captured a small village recently without mentioning that the entire village has been destroyed, flattened. Nevertheless a wee while ago the pompous twat had a pop at Ukraine for attacking deep into Russia with a long-range missile.

The war's 3 years old yet apart from neutrally rambling on about the horrible war & unnecessary loss of life he's done sweet vokall.

Fk him... may all his fowls die.

The fucKBrains are at it again and wiLd assumptions are running rampant without any factual suppor in .support in claimng BS,

The Only agreement reach was that negtiation is starting and Trump has appointed a negotiation team consisting of the following negitiating team supporting Rubio in dealing with the negotiations/ The UDA will be represened by Kellog and Waltz and he Russians will apoint their team as well, Rubio phoned Zelenskyy to inform him of the start of negotiations.

Trump supporting demcoracy will not disregard the wishes of the Crimean people who voted overwhelmingly against being part of Ukraine and will not force he people of the Crimea to emain part of Ukraine. As to anything else there is no decision on whether there will be canges to the Ukraine Border,

Trump also face problems with both massive corruption in the USA Federal Govenment system and the Ukraine Government is facing nassive Government corruption as well. What is clear that Trump wnats proper management by a EU ad US team is that rare minerals mining be used to contribute to Ukraine reconstruction and not bcome part of the corruption industry in the USA and Ukraine, but serving the interssts of the Ukraine people and nobody else

It is clar te Wat will end and that is wht is driving he crooks involved crazy. One o the people thatw ill anish rom the scene is Zeenskyy that will ace a new election based on sound democratic principles and supevisde by European and USA observers and it is far too soon to write jeremeriates on any issue involved - especially sicne the idiocy is not supported by any facts,

Ehat is clear is that he War wil end and for that an agreed peace involvng the NTO countries and the USA will be part o the engotiation process an in the end the only people will ssuder from thea bove are corrupt cooks in both the USA and in Uraine,

With Gabbard being coinfirmed the first immediate decsion would be closing dwn of bio-labd in Ukraine poperated by the USA Government d destruction of pathogens will be destroyed since the gain-f funcction research will not be funded in futire in any country in the world, Chances are the main dr Death that may end up in jail is Faucci, and Eco-Healthsince the funding of gain-of-function research by the Wuhan biolab caused the death io millions of epople worthwhile and the Ukrane bio-labs fall in the same category. as what happened iro the Wuhan Lab and is to big a threat to humans workdwide,

The German election 9 days away will be inluenced by he strong leadership Trump is shwoing and the Woke BS in Germany will end on 24 Februrey 2025 in Germany, The fact is that the re-orientation of European politics will follow settlement of the present war situation in Ukrainel

The weird part is that Trump does not take the salary payable to him and ill g to non-corrupt welfare oranizations - neither will Musk and Ramaswati receiving being paid by the US Treasury,

So happy Idiots Day to all the above respondents on issues they either know nothing about and from severe TDS.

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One has to laugh.

"When will Trump bring peace to Ukraine?", they gleefully ask because the longer the war continues the more of a failure it paints Trump as. For get the bodies that have been piling up during the Dem era...they're bones now, skeletons and decomposing.

Trump lays the groundwork for negotiations that should have happened long ago...

"We don't like how we think he's gonna do it," they say and they recoil and clutch their pearls while armed with minimal information.

Tribal, childish, self interested fools.

No, it simply proves that you , like most of the Maga cult, don't give a fck about the outcome of the war for Ukraine .

The problem is that you do not care a shit about anybody in the world amd support wars becauseyou were told b the emdia that t he Ukraine War is esential for it is a vehicle to promote corruption and teh falke emdia tells you otherwise,

Biden was 100% corrupt and afraid to deal wth issue like the Ulraine issue because he was to afraid to be exposed as a dementia suffering idiot should he be in any negotiations on anything, So while his son and handlers make millions out of the War = the people in Ukraine and the NATO countries can suffer - with huge losses in lives and massive gains by corrupt elements in both the USA and Ukraine/

I there is anybody who cares for the people of Ukraine and promte the war - he is suffering from similar lunacy as you hae written above from waning to entend the war amd pomoting the death of people and fmassive destruction of the country appaently you favor,

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The problem is that you do not care a shit about anybody in the world amd support wars becauseyou were told b the emdia that t he Ukraine War is esential for it is a vehicle to promote corruption and teh falke emdia tells you otherwise,

Biden was 100% corrupt and afraid to deal wth issue like the Ulraine issue because he was to afraid to be exposed as a dementia suffering idiot should he be in any negotiations on anything, So while his son and handlers make millions out of the War = the people in Ukraine and the NATO countries can suffer - with huge losses in lives and massive gains by corrupt elements in both the USA and Ukraine/

I there is anybody who cares for the people of Ukraine and promte the war - he is suffering from similar lunacy as you hae written above are suffering from the same BS you ae ssufeing from waning to entend the war pomoting the death of people and fmassive destruction of the country you favor,

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The disgust begins ....

Hegseth's already telling Ukraine to give up territory.............. what a doos.

D.ass ... your ambiguity's a con & an excuse to duck & dive.

WTF you on about..... start making some sense for a change and stop foaming at the mouth

WTF you on about ? ........................ the disgust begins ?

Yeah, true story

So what are you disgusted about ............... ffs this is like extracting hen's teeth.

Why the hell do you care, since all you think I want to do is duck and dive, as per your comment above

So move on ... simple and easy

So DumbAss ducks.............. he he / quack

I politely answered your question that you specifically directed to me about Trump the other day, and you did not even have the common decency to reply or post your own response back .... so I won't waste my time anymore.....

As I said, it's simple and easy.... you should try it sometime

So DumbAss ducks

Watch him grow a spine when his cavalry arrives

Oh looky here..... the same guy that recently demanded the truth from me and then quickly ran away when challenged ... before the proof was even provided. .

LMFAO ... a true example of what a yellow belly is .... lol .... was hilarious

No cavalry needed .... just the truth ..lol

No cavalry needed

Try the other one......shame....I pity you.

The sensitive type huh?

Have you ever lost an argument?

Don't think so.....

Just have to be right all of the time Huh?

You know what your problem is dontcha?

You screaming for recognition, like a baby needs to suck mama's breast

Don't thank me.....I live to give.

Why on earth did Trump make concessions on Ukrainian territory and NATO membership before negotiations had even begun.

Denise, I have never, ever... not once, come across such a cowardly individual as you.

It is actual incredibly pathetic just how much of a coward you really are, and one only has to look at the history of accusations towards you on this fourm alone, over all these years...... from so many different individual posters that got to know you..... to see just how easily and clearly the people see the real you ....

I don't even pity you .... I cannot pity someone who is content to be so cowardly in life..... who runs away from everything and anything that life throws at him.... and continues to blame other people for their sad life....... which is why I always say, "always a boy, never a man", when I am specifically referring to you ...

Ja ja ja....same old same old....got anything new?

Name the posters?

Bet you won't cause they ain't any.

Know the big difference between you and me....knob?

Posters have met me face to face, had lunch with one at a hotel on the slopes of table mountain, overnighted at another's, had lunch at Mozart's place, had a kiwi coach over for lunch at my place and met Mike right here in Sydney a couple of times.

How do you stack up, Misery?

And oh, 4 of them are white, one is an Afrikaner.

Go-on then don't be shy tell us instead of boring us to tears with the same old bullshit.

The floor is yours.

"Ja ja ja....same old same old....got anything new?"

Well, unless you grow some balls, which we all know you won't.....no..... you are the same old same old.....

"Name the posters?

Bet you won't cause they ain't any."

Bwahahahahahahahahahaha..... I can't imagine one single poster agreeing with you here, especially if they have seen the comments on this forum over the years.... but if there are any.... then they are more than welcome to post it right here that I am wrong that multiple posters have previously taken you up on your cowardice on this very forum.

"Know the big difference between you and me....knob?

Posters have met me face to face, had lunch with one at a hotel on the slopes of table mountain, overnighted at another's, had lunch at Mozart's place, had a kiwi coach over for lunch at my place and met Mike right here in Sydney a couple of times."

I only see you insulting some of these posters on here on an almost a daily basis, so I'm not really sure what you are trying to prove with this statement..... because it really doesn't portray you in a very good light

You do realise that the only thing that you are proving right here now for everyone, is that you have met some posters from this forum, you apparently had a good time.... and then even after having a supposed good time with these posters, you then came back on to this forum and started insulting these same posters that you met, but from a distance, and not to their face..... you see.....that's your cowardice that I always keep referring to ... because that's your inate character.....and you have just conclusively proven it to everyone on this forum by this statement of yours....LMAO

Yeah ....what a classy bloke you are.

I know the very clear difference between me and you knob..... promise, lol

LMAO, what a gem of a buddy you are hey ....

You do realise that the only thing that you are proving right here now for everyone

The proof is in the pudding you dumb Twat.....what I've proven is that I have and had nothing to hide...I say again....I've met posters face to face.

Have you?

And how many?

Answer the question brave boy.

No ducking, diving or sliding like you always do.

I hate wamongering and said so openly - there is zero problem that cannot ebs oled in thew rold through negotiation.

The other thing I hate is persnal attacsk on site members - so although I diffe fom Denny - I certainly not hate him. Fact is he si entitled o his viewpoints \even I disagree wit h him on a lot of things. I personally think that what is happening on sie is not cnducive to free dioscussions of issues and that is supportive of h e basic princiles associated with sites of this type,

So please - let ignore personal attacks on site.

"The proof is in the pudding you dumb Twat.....what I've proven is that I have and had nothing to hide...I say again....I've met posters face to face."

Yeah.... have a good time with those posters...... and then continually insult them when you are 12 000km away ...

LMFAO .... yeah.... you the man

You are the kind of friend that everyone wants and needs .... LMAO

Haha, Trump didn't start these wars --> I feel it's perhaps important to remind the lefty loonies of that.

I think it's fair to say that Trump's absence is likely why both wars happened in the first place.

Ain't it strange?

As I see it, the TDS blinded you so much that the requirement for the US to have a strong leader became less important than "Orange man Bad".

Trump is back, he's dropped an ultimatum on Hamas and things are progressing with Russia.

Instead of being happy that less death will occur, Trump is somehow treated as responsible for the conflicts and incapable of producing a positive outcome...and Orange Man is still Oh So Bad!

Seems like some pretty shallow virtue signalling to me.

Ukraine are folding anyway. They've not got much more in the tank, and Russia has the ability to sustain. So the West either funds a perpetual war that could escalate to nuclear conflict at any moment...or put an end to it and enforces agreements that BOTH sides, I'm looking at you Nato, adhere to.

If this is all about the red line, agreements not upheld, and ambiguity, then use these negotiations to end all the grey and provide both sides, and the world, with clarity.

Haha, Trump didn't start these wars --> I feel it's perhaps important to remind the lefty loonies of that.

Thanks for reminding of us a thing no one ever said.

I think it's fair to say that Trump's absence is likely why both wars happened in the first place.

Ain't it strange?

Incredible easy thing to say when its unprovable point. Now I can sort of see an argument regarding Russia's invasion of Ukraine, that Putin saw the US withdrawal from Afghanistan as a sign of US/Western weakness, I still don't think is that credible an argument. But I'd love to see any rational whatsoever that Hamas was factoring who in the US President when it launched its attacks on October 7th 2023.

As I see it, the TDS blinded you so much that the requirement for the US to have a strong leader became less important than "Orange man Bad".

As I see it, the TDS blinded you so much that the requirement of "owning the libs" became less important than basic morality and the rule of law.

Trump is back, he's dropped an ultimatum on Hamas and things are progressing with Russia.

Wasn't the ultimatum that got Hamas to do anything and he appears to be capitulating to Russia.

Instead of being happy that less death will occur, Trump is somehow treated as responsible for the conflicts and incapable of producing a positive outcome...and Orange Man is still Oh So Bad!

Seems like some pretty shallow virtue signalling to me.

No one is blaming Trump for the outbreak of these conflicts. What we doing is criticizing his solutions as being awful.

I'll repeat I've no issue with him asking Europe to step up and take the lead on Ukraine other than it violates America's earlier agreements with Ukraine, Europe should be taking the lead role on Ukraine, but I'm baffled as to why he think that then gets to go around Ukraine and Europe and negotiate what appears to be an extremely dubious deal that Ukraine and Europe then have to honor. No deal is better than bad deal.

I credited Trump for his role in bringing about a ceasefire between Israel and Hamas, but his plans for Gaza are quite frankly f**king insane on so many levels.

Ukraine are folding anyway. They've not got much more in the tank, and Russia has the ability to sustain. So the West either funds a perpetual war that could escalate to nuclear conflict at any moment...or put an end to it and enforces agreements that BOTH sides, I'm looking at you Nato, adhere to.

Ukraine is folding or its a perpetual war, which is it exactly?. And the classic myth of Russian having infinite endurance yet somehow they need North Korean troops to try to liberate their own territory.

As for the agreement, you do realize what Trump is proposing is for European troops to go to Ukraine to enforce the agreement but not as part of NATO and an attack on those troops would not trigger article 5 of NATO.

If this is all about the red line, agreements not upheld, and ambiguity, then use these negotiations to end all the grey and provide both sides, and the world, with clarity.

LOL clarity, you must be joking. He wants to freeze the conflict, kick the can down the road over the question of Ukrainian getting its territory back, then send in troops that are part of NATO into Ukraine but not as part of NATO and leave it as an open book as to what happens if they are attacked.

A bit of reality:

A recent poll found that just over half of Ukrainians now believe their government should negotiate a ceasefire with Russia — more than double the figure at the start of the war. But many Ukrainians told CBS News that, while they want peace, it cannot come without conditions.

These people have suffered enormously, fought bravely, saved their country. If the majority want to negotiate, who are we safe in our homes, to deny them that opportunity.

Stav

Your twisted arguments is about s valid as the sshit was before I flushed the toilet,

"Incredible easy thing to say when its unprovable point. Now I can sort of see an argument regarding Russia's invasion of Ukraine, that Putin saw the US withdrawal from Afghanistan as a sign of US/Western weakness, I still don't think is that credible an argument. But I'd love to see any rational whatsoever that Hamas was factoring who in the US President when it launched its attacks on October 7th 2023."

First of all the Civil War in Eastern Ukraine started in 2014 a fter t he US Government funded protests and the Constitution of Ukraine was abolished, The U SA even decided who should eb in the enw Ukraine Government and prevent and undermined efforts to stop that C ivil War reapetedly, Easy way make billions in aid available in aid festering a bribe and corruption set-up flourishing in both Kiev and Washington,

When the appointed Prosecutor by Ukraine starting investigating Urissma Biden bragged sbout how hr gopt r Prosecitor fired by threatening the Ukraine DGovernment withholding a $l billion aid grant and that showed how the Kiev Government is kept unde rcotrola nd fnction as a puppet Government in Ukraine.

The disastrous .withdrwal from Afghanistan had an impact on many countriees in the world showing weak and totally corrupt regime in Wshington by 2021. Potin suggested to Biden the onnly time he met the dementia suffering idiot in Genea a conference to prevent escallation of the war nd Biden must have forgotten to tell the idiotic Seceetary of State to arrnage such a conference and it enver took place,

Before the invasion in February 2022 Macron got both Putin and siged an agreement to implemeent the Minsk agreement - the Biden Administration sabotaged h e effort, When Turkey tried to arrnage a meeting to stop the Ivasion - the corrupt BSters in Washington stopped the negotiations by instructing the Ukraine Foreign Minister of Ukraine to eave Istanbul on the same daya nd nt intitial anythin g,

So why was ihe War so important fo he US Government and that is tied to bribnery and corruption in the US Defense Department. If any Government Department in udits cnnot account how in 2024 only $250 billion ws pent and nobody could account for what and to w hom he money wa spent. It was feedin g the corruption industry in Washington. The whole system stinks to high heaven tuning the USA into a corrupt banana republic

It was not reason for the Russian invasion - what was that the USA left the war and eneded another one to feed the totally corrupt system replacement by another war,

Wipe ut U SA Government Corruption and people workdwide would statrt admitring the USA again. It al;readys tarted by Government deperately ty to meet with Trump over the last hree months. even ebfore the sht fled from Washington afte disgracing himself fuirther by deserate aprdonming of fellow criminals - inclusive of hid oenm fsamiy members.

"As for the agreement, you do realize what Trump is proposing is for European troops to go to Ukraine to enforce the agreement but not as part of NATO and an attack on those troops would not trigger article 5 of NATO".

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Where the hell dd you get that BS from? If European countrie sent troops to Ukraine - so would the USA. I fact wthout the US the EU cannot prtect thesselves and any Ukraine Agreement would follow negogtiations supported by NATo and major alliacne members,

"LOL clarity, you must be joking. He wants to freeze the conflict, kick the can down the road over the question of Ukrainian getting its territory back, then send in troops that are part of NATO into Ukraine but not as part of NATO and leave it as an open book as to what happens if they are attacked"

LMAO - that is twisted BS only a twisted and brainwashed idit cmes up with.

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Stav

Your twisted arguments is about s valid as the sshit was before I flushed the toilet,

"Incredible easy thing to say when its unprovable point. Now I can sort of see an argument regarding Russia's invasion of Ukraine, that Putin saw the US withdrawal from Afghanistan as a sign of US/Western weakness, I still don't think is that credible an argument. But I'd love to see any rational whatsoever that Hamas was factoring who in the US President when it launched its attacks on October 7th 2023."

First of all the Civil War in Eastern Ukraine started in 2014 a fter t he US Government funded protests and the Constitution of Ukraine was abolished, The U SA even decided who should eb in the enw Ukraine Government and prevent and undermined efforts to stop that C ivil War reapetedly, Easy way make billions in aid available in aid festering a bribe and corruption set-up flourishing in both Kiev and Washington,

When the appointed Prosecutor by Ukraine starting investigating Urissma Biden bragged sbout how hr gopt r Prosecitor fired by threatening the Ukraine DGovernment withholding a $l billion aid grant and that showed how the Kiev Government is kept unde rcotrola nd fnction as a puppet Government in Ukraine.

The disastrous .withdrwal from Afghanistan had an impact on many countriees in the world showing weak and totally corrupt regime in Wshington by 2021. Potin suggested to Biden the onnly time he met the dementia suffering idiot in Genea a conference to prevent escallation of the war nd Biden must have forgotten to tell the idiotic Seceetary of State to arrnage such a conference and it enver took place,

Before the invasion in February 2022 Macron got both Putin and siged an agreement to implemeent the Minsk agreement - the Biden Administration sabotaged h e effort, When Turkey tried to arrnage a meeting to stop the Ivasion - the corrupt BSters in Washington stopped the negotiations by instructing the Ukraine Foreign Minister of Ukraine to eave Istanbul on the same daya nd nt intitial anythin g,

So why was ihe War so important fo he US Government and that is tied to bribnery and corruption in the US Defense Department. If any Government Department in udits cnnot account how in 2024 only $250 billion ws pent and nobody could account for what and to w hom he money wa spent. It was feedin g the corruption industry in Washington. The whole system stinks to high heaven tuning the USA into a corrupt banana republic

It was not reason for the Russian invasion - what was that the USA left the war and eneded another one to feed the totally corrupt system replacement by another war,

Wipe ut U SA Government Corruption and people workdwide would statrt admitring the USA again. It al;readys tarted by Government deperately ty to meet with Trump over the last hree months. even ebfore the sht fled from Washington afte disgracing himself fuirther by deserate aprdonming of fellow criminals - inclusive of hid oenm fsamiy members.

"As for the agreement, you do realize what Trump is proposing is for European troops to go to Ukraine to enforce the agreement but not as part of NATO and an attack on those troops would not trigger article 5 of NATO".

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Where the hell dd you get that BS from? If European countrie sent troops to Ukraine - so would the USA. I fact wthout the US the EU cannot prtect thesselves and any Ukraine Agreement would follow negogtiations supported by NATo and major alliacne members,

"LOL clarity, you must be joking. He wants to freeze the conflict, kick the can down the road over the question of Ukrainian getting its territory back, then send in troops that are part of NATO into Ukraine but not as part of NATO and leave it as an open book as to what happens if they are attacked"

LMAO - that is twisted BS only a twisted and brainwashed idit cmes up with.

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A bit of reality:

A recent poll found that just over half of Ukrainians now believe their government should negotiate a ceasefire with Russia — more than double the figure at the start of the war. But many Ukrainians told CBS News that, while they want peace, it cannot come without conditions.

These people have suffered enormously, fought bravely, saved their country. If the majority want to negotiate, who are we safe in our homes, to deny them that opportunity.

No one is denying them that opportunity, but peace terms should not determined without Ukraine's input.

Well these comments hardly sound like a group of people who actually want Trump to succeed in securing a peace:

’Trump gets the rare earth minerals’

’’The sellout begins’

’Love hero Donnie is sucking up to Putin big time again, wouldn't have happened under Biden or any other POTUS.’

No, it simply proves that you , like most of the Maga cult, don't give a fck about the outcome of the war for Ukraine

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One almost gets the impression that seeing Trump fail is more important to that group than securing a peace. Now that’s pretty disgusting

Its not about wanting to see Trump fail, it's about not wanting Ukraine to be forced into a bad deal of which it had no say.

We can just as easily turn around and say for some people its more important that Trump appears to be wining rather than whether Ukraine gets a fair deal. Now that's pretty disgusting.

Most of us admire the Ukraine and want to see them get a deal that honors their sacrifice. So no, I doubt that. Trump is not a magician, he can’t return reality back to 2021 But he prides himself in being a good negotiator and his relationship with Putin is a plus rather than a minus in this instance. I believe he will get the Ukraine as good a deal as is possible.

Trump is not a magician, he can’t return reality back to 2021

No one was expecting him too.

But he prides himself in being a good negotiator

How is making concessions before negotiations even begun a good negotiation tactic.

and his relationship with Putin is a plus rather than a minus in this instance. I believe he will get the Ukraine as good a deal as is possible.

Putin will play him like a fiddle.