There is only one thing that interests Trump, control of Ukraine's rare earth. It will be very interesting to see what happens when Valerie stands firm. Trump has already made it clear that he does not care whether Russia retains Crimea and other parts of Ukraine. Reading between the lines it is evident that "The Art of the Deal" is being with the sellout "The Fart of the Deal."
Putin will want to save face, period
This war has made him look like an idiot in front of the entire world
Comical. It shows once again that people on this board are white people living in Africa in charge of maintaining ground countrol over key locations for world trade.
On the contrary, Putin's stature will grow from this victory in most of the world. It is enough to read the press frpm various places aroundd the world to see that.
It is obvious for people who can see beyond the western world and do not equate the world with the western world.
"My concern's about Ukraine's presence"
You are missing the point completely
Ukraine's presence at the table means absolutely SFA if Zelensky does not agree at all to what the two main contributors to Ukraine are offering Russia.
"......two main contributors to Ukraine are offering Russia...."
So you're saying the European Union is sitting at the negotiating table with Trump? And you know this for sure?
"So you're saying the European Union is sitting at the negotiating table with Trump? And you know this for sure?"
I don't know this for sure, but I do know for sure that you can't read.. because what I did actually say is below...
"Ok ....so what happens then if Europe, the US and Ukraine all sit around the table with Russia"
I can't read Huh?
So here this is what you've said.....
Feb 17, 2025, 11:54
"Who are the two main contributors?"
You should know this already
The US and the European Union
Feeling just a little bit more stupid......Dikhead?
Pointing out liberals' contradictions... It is going to be a long way.
Pointing out DumbAss's laughable ignorance is always followed by lots of high-pitched and indignant whining . . . it's never worth it. Let him be stupid.
"Who are the two main contributors?"
"Feeling just a little bit more stupid......Dikhead?"
No, but you certainly should ..... yes little boy, it seems more than one of you cannot read...
LMFAO
Yes.... they are the two main contributors to Ukraine ...
Do I actually need to draw you a picture here.... you monumentally stupid idiots.
The US and the European Union are the two biggest contributors of aid, whether that be financially or otherwise...so yes, the two could most probably be involved in the negotiations with Russia ....but I am not sure, hence why I said "IF" earlier
You monumentally stupid twats .....
LMFAO ..... I literally had to draw you a picture here..... lol
"Feeling just a little bit more stupid......Dikhead?"
What's that you say ....bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Liberals and their circonvolutions...
so what happens then if Europe, the US and Ukraine all sit around the table with Russia
What had Ukraine to do with all the biz since it is not part of the two main contributors? And the Ukraine was also painted as the main road block to any advancement as they would not have listened to the two main contributors?
Makes no sense to pitch a hypothetical scenario.
Despite being a main contributor and an allied to the US, Europe is squeezed out of the picture. Trump is a liberal and hates on losers. He perceives both Europe and the Ulraine as losers and do not want to get close to them. He prefers a summit between winners, Russia and the US (of course, dismissing the mere fact that the US are the big loser in the story)
"Makes no sense to pitch a hypothetical scenario"
Of course it does..... and it's not just hypothetical either.... because already judging by some comments made by Zelensky recently, this could definitely still happen.
I hope it doesn't happen, but it certainly is not too far fetched to imagine it could still happen.
Zelensky could absolutely tell whoever joins them at the negotiation table that he does not accept their combined terms or proposals to end the war...
What do you think is going to happen if the US and Europe propose ways to end this war, which Russia agrees to....but Zelensky outright refuses to accept what the US and Europe propose to Russia to end this war....
What realistic outcome do you expect......
I also see that Denise realised just how incredibly stupid he really was for shooting from the hip again......... LMAO .... just read a bit more slowly little guy.
This really is the most amazing thread ever. Everyone on site knwos exactly what Trps instructions to his negotiators work and ignore he comments of the appointed negotiation team because it des notte in with thei negatove,
Trump is goin g to goe in to all Puti's demands and is going to let Ukraine down totally. Wh ere they get th e stories from ase om mdia articles whic h knows even les about the isue. Te difference is that they know exactly h at Waltz aid about th e engotiations - but lied about it to the idits h o believe hei BS.
There ss nobody that can know what the negotiations will lead to and they want Cimea reurned to Ukraine with 95% of he Crimea popltion opposed to it and thatain itself can lead to another war as well. Thee is no way the Russians will ever udermine the people of the Crimea by agreeing to transe the territory back to Ukraine and Trump will not insist on it during negotiations. That is exactly what Hegseth means whe he spoke about the issue in Munich. But the emdia claims it applies to all teritory occupied by the Rusian Army in Ukraine and that is according to Trumps made negotiation stated the exc opposie in Public and all he fish on ste swallowed the media bait without any proof whatsoever,
The hatred of Trump is causin g people to ebcome incredibly idiotic on issues - sow ait and see wht happens to he engitiations as Trump neithr Trust the present German Government to be cone by Monday and the only reasonable enegoyitiond . deductions would be to fid out how the eection outcome will impact on the Ukraine issue,
What Merz say about the Greens as a coalition partnr will be the destruction of his own party - the Bavarian wing of his party will boycott that one and is likely to leave the alliance with Merz and the latter cannot afford that since it will cause amjor support losses for the CSUm Merz could not afford and could ead to his ouster as CSU leader by his own party.
So be patient and stop sucking things out of thin thin air and believe the media BS.
So be patient and stop sucking things out of thin thin air and believe the media BS.
Careful Mike .....
https://x.com/PawlowskiMario/status/1891866234788184562?t=5pHQUIVEBYVqFvw3kUn9-A&s=19
And Turkey steps up to the plate...interesting...very interesting...
Break out the kebabs.
Draad
The last time Turkey was invovled was in A pril 2022 - when they tried to negotiate a ceasefire and the Biden Administration undermined it by instructing the Ukraine Foreign Minister to leave Istanbul and not initial the drat agreement.
There are two other issues that is important and those are
As to the latter situation he si hoping to stay in power in Ukraine indefinitely - but just delaying elections and rule unconstitutionally in his petty dictatorship.. He cannot sabotage a reasonable peace settlement and hope to survive as President without holding elections. Holding elections is defintel y not a periority or him. The most popular leader in Ukraine is the Head of the Ukraine Army Zelesnkyy fired and for his on safety fled to London. .
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I don't accept or understand why Trump would start calling Zelensky a "dictator without elections" when Putin has always either jailed, killed, or made his political opponents vanish .....to make his Russian elections seem free and fair.
Well Zelensky did just what Putin did. Two wrongs do not amke a right. In any event Zelenskyy does not even ah a Constitution used to Govern Ukraine - he banned a third of the Ukraine population from speakin g their home lan guage in public and they get fied f they did - he banned the using of Rusian in schools, he abnned the Ukraine Orthodox Church and arrested all the Russian Speaking memebrs of the Ukraiee Parliament, His main opponent - fearing for his life life fled rom Ukraine and is no in London. There was supposed to eeb an election in Ukraine in 2024 - but it never took place,
Would nt Trust Zelenskyy - he is bound to do anything provided the bribe is big enough. .
I am not talking about Zelensky Mike
I am asking..... how can Trump publicly declare Zelensky to be a dictator, when Putin himself has done exactly what a dictator does...
Why does Trump not call out Putin for doing the exact same thing that a 100% classified dictator does.
...It's all theater...Putin might be an evil dictator...I can't get my head around why the hell he invaded Ukraine...maybe there's some logic in that head of his, but he's yet to articulate it logically...but Zelensky is no saint either...two dwarfs with delusions of grandeur and a million people is dead in 3 years...and a beautiful country is reduced to a pile of rubble...I can't wait for things to unfold and be exposed...Trump made big claims...I really hope he can back it up with facts... it kinda looks like Zelensky is a puppet of the CIA...
And DA...Russia holds elections...yes not a bastion of fairnes...I can understand that elections during wartime might be difficult, but there should be question marks about some of the things going on in Ukraine...banning churches, political parties, etc and locking up priests and political oponents is always questionable...
Dictator or just a small man syndrome d!ck?
I see the community note says that Truth Social has never been available in Ukraine. Fayyke noooose. The internet has turned into a shit spewing fan turned on at full blast. It had such potential. Sigh.
Benny Johnson is an ass too, one of those typical one eyed apologists washing his mouth on social media.
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Feb 20, 2025, 17:18
And DA...Russia holds elections...yes not a bastion of fairness...I can understand that elections during wartime might be difficult, but there should be question marks about some of the things going on in Ukraine...banning churches, political parties, etc and locking up priests and political opponents is always questionable...
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It is standard practice to declare martial law in a Democracy during a war.
If someone helps the opposition during the war, it is treason. If churches and politicians are spewing Pro Russia narrative, they are counter-productive to winning the war.
Russia's elections are a sham, everyone knows this. Putin has been in power almost as long as Stalin.
Draad are you referring to the Russian Orthodox church that declared that Russians who die fighting in Ukraine go straight through em pearly gates, no purgatory or having to pass go, but straight into the heavenly embrace of God the Father & eternal life..................................
Trump has declared Zelensky a dictator and a war monger, as per the usual drill the Cult lap it up by adding the spin and justification. Note they only started slagging off Zelensky soon after Trump started the ball rolling.......not before.
It's the usual.
edit: And oh DA I liked your above post it is simple logic.
Blob...thr Ukrainian Orthodox Church is also treated similarly...Ukraine is not a poster child for freedom.. but Russia is even worse...Eastern Europe has been under Communism for too long...