Trump’s best acheivement

A few of my mates and I discussed this today and the answe r was unanimous. His greatest achievement was the vaccine, which saved millions of lives and wouldn’t have been available for years if the administration hadn’t reduced the risk for the drug companies.

Not enough to get him re-elected after January 6, but an accomplishment none the less. Second would be changing the tilt of the Supreme Court, but that was much more straightforward.

His biggest failure was losing to a man 15 years past his sell by date.

Trump's best achievement might have been something that he did unadvertently. 
By getting voted into power, Trump has shown that Western Democratic governments have lost the confidence of their voters. Many of the choices that are made by the governments, don't seem to be for the majority. (They have a clear bias for billionaires that either fund their campaigns or pay them bribes) 

Trump is a conman who collated all the concerns together and campaigned on it, even if he never had any intention of following through with much of it. 
If he got a 2nd term, most people would come to realise that. Trump is an elitist, he is not thinking about going forward. 

The economic grievance is the main concern, especially outside of cities in more rural areas.
With primary and secondary industries being shifted overseas, along with midlevel to lower jobs in the tertiary industry - global capitalism is increasingly not working for a lot of people. 
Shareholders are the winners as profits increase with overseas outsourcing. 

America is the richest country in the world, but the gap is growing between the richest and everyone else. Going forward is the other way around. 

It is clear many of the government officials on both the left and right are on the corporate payroll. Markets are consolidating with less competition which means more profit for shareholders and lower salaries for everyone else. This is the opposite of an employee market where it is easier to secure higher rates.

Governments should be striving for a market state of perfect competition where possible, which is Democratic economics, unlike Monopoly and Oligopoly market states which are authoritarianism. Natural monopolies are OK, but mergers are not natural. (e.g. Microsoft's recent attempt to buy their largest gaming competitor so they can have the majority of market share). This will mean layoffs or new/reduced employment contracts.

A first-year economics textbook explains the dynamics of capitalism and the value of having more competition instead of less competition. (except for shareholders). 

The dynamics is clear and very concise. - but your idea is totally flawed.    The economy under Trump was based on a  true Reagan style of management.   By reducing regulations to those affecting the people to the minimum making  it extremely difficult or economic expansion the situation was he lowered income tax of the employment cadre - the people who provide jobs in a les regulated environment.   That caused a comparative rise in income for the working  class and giving  opportunities for employers to increase employment through new or existing business expansion.    He scrapped the trade treaties concocted by the Obama Administration promoting  the export of Industries to Chiina,and Mexico - which allowed for a further boost in local industrial development.   In other words he followed a business friendly policy approach that improved the living conditions for everybody.    

Whenever Government over-regulate the economy the conditions for everybody deteriorates,   The average cost of regulation per household in the USA amounts to between $10 000 and $12 000 a year in fruitless expenditure.   In the meantime he promoted local oil production to make he u SA independent from importing oil.    

Incidentally when Biden took over the Ultra-Rich took total control - they only operate on the basis of increase of wealth for themselves and since the fund the Democratic Party - they exercise policies that will put the vast majority of people under extreme pressure.           

I will write the rest of the basic issue when I ret urn from Cape Town.                    

Take your time

Mozart

The only addition I wanted to make is that bureaucrats running businesses through regulations they concoct is total BS and has failed in every country in the world where it was implemented.  It is called SOCIALISM and the fact is that some Governments still going for the BS is amazing.   I was a public servant all my life long and realized  from early on the damage incompetence and corruption cause damage to all of the people in countries where they ruin  the countries, 

As to the issue of stability in the world Trump believe that the USA should set an example in enhancing stability in the world through military and political strength,   From that perspective he was starting and implementing:-

*    Negotiations with North Korea to stabilize the conditions in the Koreas and prevent war in the area.   He was endlessly attacked by the Democrats and the media for that one    What they did not mention was the fact that while the negotiations were in the go North Korea stopped nuclear bomb tests and also testing of  ballistic missiles.

*    Negotiated with the Taliban to enhance the withdrawal of US troops from Afghanistan.  An agreement was reached for staged withdrawal supported by the USA Allies.  was agreed upon.  During the negotiations Trump told the Taliban that any breaches to the signed agreement  will lead to bombing  that would obliterate the Taliban leadership.    That treaties in fact were  supported by countries who still had troops in Afghanistan,  

*     In the ME Trump got the countries - other than Iran - to sign the Abrahamic treaty that would have prevented major conflict in Countries.

*    Negotiations with Mexico to assist in control of he Mexican border to limit influx of illegal migrants and drugs into the country

Biden destroyed all the above issues in record time.     Where happened  

Nobody disagrees with you that Biden is poor President. The whole country knows that. But if given the choice of Trump, they will steer clear of him because of all the chaos that surrounds a Trump Presidency, they recognize a man that is violently rejected by half of the country can’t be effective even if he is the overwhelming choice of the other half.

Trump can’t be re-elected. Which is why, given Biden is hopelessly lost, the Republicans need to put up a sound, candidate and they will will win the Presidency.

they recognize a man that is violently rejected by half of the country can’t be effective even if he is the overwhelming choice of the other half.

What do you mean violently rejected?. I don't recall Biden supporters storming the capital. 

But they did use various excuses to loot stores….try to impeach Trump twice….and defund the police.  If you can’t see shades of grey you are just the left wing equivalent of our Russia bots,

But they did use various excuses to loot stores

So half the country the country was looting stores?

….try to impeach Trump twice

Impeachment is an act of violence how?

….and defund the police.

Again how is that violent?

If you can’t see shades of grey you are just the left wing equivalent of our Russia bots,

The irony. Tell me just how many democratic voters do you think actually support looting and defunding the police.

 Stav

You are lied to by the media and believe the BS thye dish out.   

Just ask yourself a real question why was the 2020 riots organized and funded by the Democratic Party through contributions made to the DNC Soros was NOT violent?    In the riots inner cities all over the USA was attacked by thousands of rioters transported from city to city  and accommodated in hotels for the sole purpose of  undermining law and order.

In the process -

*    46 people were murdered (13 of them police officers:

*     1 200 police officers were seriously injured basically as a result of Molotov cocktails provided on an organized basis to the rioters;

*     thousands of businesses in inner cities were looted and after that burned down - it even included a police station and a magistrates court with damages running to about $5 billion.

The Police despite being undermined by Local Government in the cities involvled arrested just over 1 500 rioters.   There charges were not processed by the time four months later Biden took over the presidency - all the prisoners (even those accused of murder) -  were released from prison with out charges.

The USA under Biden ahs become a haven for criminals and the criminals are prrotected by the  State,    There are virtually examples on a daily basis,    By the way the Democrats started the process of using riots already in January 2020 - Floyd was killed in March 20 20.   It was just a pretext for the riots that happened over two months in July-August 2020.

The justice system in the USA are systematically being  destroyed by Democrat DA's.   If a person violently attack a person and he defends himself or if somebody try and help the attacked person causing the attacker to be injured or died - the DA's charged defender and when he  the attacker is still alive he is let loose without being charged.     

What is amazing is that the USA has under Biden became a gangster paradise - with the main leaders of the gangsters being Democratic Party politicians.   

Lots of Democratic voters support defunding the police….that’s why it gained traction in many American cities. But let’s get to your interpretation of violently. I asked ChatGTP how it would interpret the phrase ‘violently against something’ Here’s the answer:

‘ The phrase "He was violently against it" suggests that someone had a very strong and intense opposition or objection to something. The word "violently" here does not necessarily imply physical violence but rather indicates the intensity of the person's feelings or stance against whatever "it" refers to. This person likely had strong emotions, arguments, or actions in expressing their opposition.’

….so, obviously I didn’t think half the country was going to take up arms, even though actual physical violence was likely to be a factor. It was a turn of phrase, commonly understood.

But like a card bearing left wing nutter, you put the worst possible interpretation on it. You should really acknowledge your deliberate mistake.

Lots of Democratic voters support defunding the police….that’s why it gained traction in many American cities.

Gained traction? So tell in what American cities was "defund the police" implemented? 

 But let’s get to your interpretation of violently. I asked ChatGTP how it would interpret the phrase ‘violently against something’ Here’s the answer:

And I thought I was lazy.

‘ The phrase "He was violently against it" suggests that someone had a very strong and intense opposition or objection to something. The word "violently" here does not necessarily imply physical violence but rather indicates the intensity of the person's feelings or stance against whatever "it" refers to. This person likely had strong emotions, arguments, or actions in expressing their opposition.’

….so, obviously I didn’t think half the country was going to take up arms, even though actual physical violence was likely to be a factor. It was a turn of phrase, commonly understood.

Oh FFS what a load of shite. Firstly you're the one using the term violently against. Casting a vote in a Presidential election is not an act of violence, its called democracy something I'd hope you'd support. But if your classification of violence is having strong feelings against someone, then holy shit you must think the average Trump supporter is the reincarnation of Genghis Khan cross bred with Atilla the Hun.

But like a card bearing left wing nutter, you put the worst possible interpretation on it. You should really acknowledge your deliberate mistake.

Look Moz, in fairness to you, you're generally the right side of topics like Ukraine (though part of me thinks its simply because you can't brook any criticism of the US) but at some point the fact that your views on the political spectrum are closer to thos e batshit far right fruitcakes like Beeno, his slightly politer version Clevermike, Moonrover, Seb and those other right wing nutters must give you pause to think. (note I've no idea where the Traditionalist is on the political spectrum because this posts are simply too incoherent!)

Deep down you know Trump is indefensible and disciple human being but you spent so long praising him, its simply too humiliating for you to fully about face.

Wrong I have said very clearly he blotted his copybook after the election and during the Covid briefings. I have said he is not electable and the Republicans need a different candidate. But I’m not so ideologically planted that I can’t also see he did a great job with the economy and with the Covid vaccine,

You by contrast are narrow and intolerant, you see half the picture.

And I repeat what ChatGTP said….saying you are violently against something doesn’t imply violence in most cases.

But I should have known you are just too small to admit your error.

So what cities implemented defund the police again...cause you didn't answer the question?

Wrong I have said very clearly he blotted his copybook after the election and during the Covid briefings. I have said he is not electable and the Republicans need a different candidate.

How am I wrong, you know Trump is an absolute disgrace, he is now and he was when he was elected back in 2016, but it only belatedly dawned on you on January 6th 2021 just how dangerous he is. So you will occasionally present some mealy mouthy criticisms of him but you spent so long praising him, its simply too embarrassing for you to acknowledge the full extent of just how wrong you where about Trump so your still trying to find excuses for him

But I’m not so ideologically planted that I can’t also see he did a great job with the economy and with the Covid vaccine,

I'm not ideologically planted say's he before in the same sentence he ideologically phrases Trump's economic record and involvement in the Covid vaccine development.

You are a narrow, intolerant twit, you see half the picture.

And I repeat what ChatGTP said….saying you are violently against something doesn’t imply violence in most cases.

And I repeat, voting in a democratic election is not violently rejecting someone. Its called democracy. Storming the Capital on the other hand?

But I should have known you are just too small to admit your error.

LOL, again the irony.

I have no problem praising him.. no need to be mealy mouthed. The US economy is doing far better than Europe or China. Largely because it entered Covid with better momentum and because the country was economically well managed through Covid. There were also no attempts by the Federal government to push damaging lockdowns. Trump gets credit for that.

He had an excellent presidency but blew it with overwrought Covid briefings, far too much aggression in the debates and finally encouraging a protest which had the risk of getting out of hand. I don’t for one second believe January the 6th was an insurrection to change the government by force. 

Recognizing obvious accomplishments is not being ideologically planted. Denying them is.

As for your pathetic attempt to insist that violently disagree, necessarily indicates actual violence….sorry I agree with ChatGTP when it insists the exact opposite. But it’s a typical liberal tactic, deliberately misunderstand the obvious. Nice try.

So again what cities actually implemented defund the police...what % of democrats actually support the concept of defund the police and how is impeachment an act of violence?

The US economy is doing far better than Europe or China.

And that's all entirely down to Trump right? Nothing to do with Biden since, and there is like no external factors affecting Europe like the loss of a major energy supplier, Brexit etc and Trump gets the credit for China's far too extreme over zealous application of its zero covid policy? 

Largely because it entered Covid with better momentum and because the country was economically well managed through Covid. There were also no attempts by the Federal government to push damaging lockdowns. Trump gets credit for that.

He also takes partial credit for America's death toll.

He had an excellent presidency but blew it with overwrought Covid briefings, far too much aggression in the debates and finally encouraging a protest which had the risk of getting out of hand.

So excellent a presidency that a record number of the American electorate voted him out of office back in 2020.

I don’t for one second believe January the 6th was an insurrection to change the government by force. 

Of course you don't.

Recognizing obvious accomplishments is not being ideologically planted. Denying them is.

Exaggerating accomplishments is as ideological as it gets.

As for your pathetic attempt to insist that violently disagree, necessarily indicates actual violence….sorry I agree with ChatGTP when it insists the exact opposite. But it’s a typical liberal tactic, deliberately misunderstand the obvious. Nice try.

Again how is supporting a political concept such as defund the police an act of violence?. How is impeachment an act of violence. Was Bill Clinton's impeachment process an act of violence?

I really don't care what ChatGTP insists. By that logic it renders pretty much all political action violent. 81 millions voters violently rejected Trump at the last election and 74 million votes violently rejected Biden. If you disagree with a political parties policies its a violent rejection of them. If a small sub section or loosely associated group of one political party partakes in violent actions for whatever reason then the those supporting that political party can be said to be violently rejecting the other party.

Stav

With due respect I have never seen the amount of unproved garbage  you came up with under this thread.    it is completely impossible to fathom that you are so uninformed on issues and relies totally on frequent lies from the leftist media as the only info you care about.  Sworn evidence under oath in the House and Senate means nothing to you.    Video recordings o what Biden and Nuland said iro Ukraine means nothing either.  

Shortly after the disastrous withdrawal of troops from Afghanistan some elements of the press was critical of the chaos created by the Biden Administration.   In response the following video may help you a bit and give an indication to what Biden was saying about the need to get rid of Putin - maybe you could link that to the start of the Ukraine War - the main objective as to use Ukraine as a  means to get rid of Putin was clearly advocated by Biden.   So add 2 nd 2 together andyou may find why the USA sabotaged peace negotiations.        

Mike trying to read in with Mozz is like trying to reason with a lunatic. StavAss is even worse, a more brain washed zombie you won't find. He is as bad as sharktwit and Rooitwit. 

Trump was fooled into thinking the deadly jabs would help Americans. He was told by the Pence formed advisory group including Fauci that lockdowns, masks, social distancing was the way to go. He was told the vaxx was safe and effective. He was told Remdesivir was useful in fighting Covid-a drug it turns out that was used in Africa and killed 54% of people to who it was administered. 

To his credit Trump never mandated the vaxx and wanted the economy opened as fast as possible. The Blue states wanted the lock downs etc to last as long as possible so as to do as much damage as possible. 

Trump and the America people were betrayed by Pence and Fauci. We all know now what a snake Pence is and Fauci is in big trouble for a his lies to Congress. 

You don’t care what ChatGTP says…..of course not, it’s telling something anybody who uses English knows….violently disagree does not imply violence. Lie down man, you have been schooled. 

As for looting stores, perhaps you should read this excerpt from the financial pages and get current :

‘This is ... what we view as an external societal issue, and it is going to require involvement from government and local leaders to fully resolve it. We've also noticed that the traditional measures for mitigation around asset protection are not as fully effective as they've been previously," Bull said.

"So, we are focusing our shrink mitigation efforts on more of a comprehensive approach that actually includes both asset prevention — loss asset prevention, and crew safety."

In waves of earnings calls, retailers across the board have been sounding the alarm on the industry's increasing shrink problem. 

Last week, value retailer chain Dollar Tree (DLTR) said it is taking steps to combat theft, including moving certain items behind the checkout stand and removing some SKUs altogether.

Dick's Sporting Goods stock tanked earlier this month after calling out higher costs from shrink in its most recent quarter. "The number of incidents and the organized retail crime impact came in significantly higher than we anticipated, and that impacted our Q2 results," CFO Navdeep Gupta said‘

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