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Trump wins again

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
10 Jun 2019, 16:53
#41
10 Jun 2019, 16:53#41

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There4 are allegations about Trump that is either total BS or very near to it,   Why should he release his tax returns - he is a vey rich man and his company books are dealt with annually? 

He never was involved in bribery and corruption and the IRS is happy with the situation - so is that crooking Democrats trying to re-audit is returns,   They started the Russian Hoax based on a false  report paid for by the Clintons as an election trick and then Obama panicked and used the FBI and CIA  to try and stop his election effort by spying on Trump and his associates.

What happened in the past two years is a total shock for me.   I did not think it could happen in the USA - but it did happen and people should go to jail for what they did in the media and in the political scene,

If their was tax fraud - why did the New York authorities never laid charges against Trump?   This kind of  unproven BS seems to be fed to public by the media and  they can be happy that they are not sued for libel and put out of business,   Trump will not act against them while he is president - but when he retires they will be out of business.  

I never liked Trump an preferred Cruz as the Republican Party candidate - but he was selected and  then was the RP candidate and won the selection.   Why don't you find out why he wion the election?   No other RP candidate would have beaten Clinton.   The voters went for Trump because the Presidents of the past twenty years has destroyed their standard of living and they took their revenge on the politicos - same as the UK voters did iro Brexit.  The ordinary people regard the Washington political establishment as corrupt and they voted for the outsider.  

I am afraid what they do in the media is based on deception and they are already panicking as to what will happen in 2020.   

Stories like the IQ story is typical BS,   Although Trump inherited a massive fortune - he enlarged that fortune and his sister - a retired Judge on the New York Circuit said that already as a child she never competed with Trump because he always outsmarted them and always won.

Lastly I got that Tax info on Trump from a media report.

Lastly Brycy - how can anyone be charged with obstruction of justice when there was a finding that no crime has been uncovered?   Please - you are welcome to believe the BS - but do not expect that it is reliable.   

Trump has authorized that all documents be released to the public and the crooks who engineered  the Russian Hoax are panicking.   If he did obstruct justice he would not authorize the release of documents that will show what really was happening.                 

     


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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
10 Jun 2019, 16:59
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10 Jun 2019, 16:59#42
There are two very good reasons why Bozo won't release his tax returns (despite promising during his campaign that he would release them if elected).
Firstly, they'll expose his tax evasion, fraud and corruption.
Secondly (and probably even more worrying for Bozo) they'll show him up for the bungling and incompetent fool that he is and how he's lost nearly all  the money Daddy gave him.
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CeradynePro9,374 posts
10 Jun 2019, 17:07
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10 Jun 2019, 17:07#43

"Jun 10, 2019, 16:59


There are two very good reasons why Bozo won't release his tax returns (despite promising during his campaign that he would release them if elected).


Firstly, they'll expose his tax evasion, fraud and corruption."
His taxes are audited by the IRS year after ear after year. What are the bimbos in The House going to find that the IRS have not been able to find?
Let me reiterate what I said earlier:
"And another one @Brycy.....

"...not so clever mike what would you know about Trump's tax returns when he refuses to release them... "

You do know that both the President and the VP submit an annual financial disclosure report for scrutiny, don't you? 

READ: Donald Trump's 2019 White House financial disclosure form"

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CeradynePro9,374 posts
10 Jun 2019, 17:13
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10 Jun 2019, 17:13#44

@Brycy,

Further to my remark:

"Could it have anything to do with the current investigations into his own team and their conduct during the investigation? "

Check this clip (the infographic referred to in the video can be viewed here





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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
10 Jun 2019, 18:45
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10 Jun 2019, 18:45#45

They've been at it 24/7 since June 2016...if there was anything, they would have found it...even unpaid parking tickets or library fines...they are that desperate...most scrutinized man in the world ever and all they have on him is a "lockerroom" recording of him talking sort of dirty about women who throw themselves at celebs...there's a word for them I won't mention...really...I never liked him as a celebrity, but I love him as POTUS....a saint compared to other politicians....and those who hate him, does not hate him, they hate what he stands for...and that tells more about them than about him.

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
10 Jun 2019, 19:30
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10 Jun 2019, 19:30#46

Exactly Draad. His huge success has made such fools of themselves they can scarcely bear it. 

You should look at all the garbage these clowns were predicting about the Trump Presidency. The world was about to end. How utterly daft these halfwits appear now. Bwhahahahaha oh my aching sides. 

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
11 Jun 2019, 02:29
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11 Jun 2019, 02:29#47
Trump would be very unwise to release his tax returns.....not because they haven't all been carefully scrutinized by the IRS but because they will be interpreted politically. All this BS about all other presidents releasing their returns is irrelevant, their affairs were much simpler.....and much less open to deliberate misinterpretation.
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
11 Jun 2019, 02:46
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11 Jun 2019, 02:46#48
Bloo to answer your little gotcha, I think Trump has made plenty of mistakes....his appointments have been patchy, he has too many balls in the air and makes unnecessary enemies. But he has a kind of political genius, is way smarter than the fools on here who question his IQ.....and is a crucial to stopping the erosion of our way of life under a self serving, complicit establishment. If he was supported the way Bush or Obama were supported, he would have been so much more succesful....with China for example who will try to wait him out. Hell Bloo you don't even realize when you use the word 'groupie' on this Board you are tapping in to my posts. No need to thank me.
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BrycyPro4,671 posts
11 Jun 2019, 03:15
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BrycyPro4,671 posts
11 Jun 2019, 03:16
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BrycyPro4,671 posts
11 Jun 2019, 03:18
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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
11 Jun 2019, 09:39
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11 Jun 2019, 09:39#52

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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
11 Jun 2019, 09:41
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11 Jun 2019, 09:41#53
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CeradynePro9,374 posts
11 Jun 2019, 09:43
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11 Jun 2019, 09:43#54

More nonsensical memes. Less logical deliberations. 

But since you struggle to debate and are more comfortable at posting memes than posting real arguments.......



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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
11 Jun 2019, 09:44
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11 Jun 2019, 09:44#55
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CeradynePro9,374 posts
11 Jun 2019, 09:44
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11 Jun 2019, 09:44#56
And now we will probably, once again, be told that Trump’s figures were kick started by Barry. 
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CeradynePro9,374 posts
11 Jun 2019, 09:57
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11 Jun 2019, 09:57#57

Another meme for Brycy:


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CeradynePro9,374 posts
11 Jun 2019, 09:59
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11 Jun 2019, 09:59#58

Or, how about this one:


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CeradynePro9,374 posts
11 Jun 2019, 10:19
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11 Jun 2019, 10:19#59

This is what is scaring the living daylights out of the Dems and which is why they have intensified their attacks on Trump. They have even, once again, resorted to having a hearing yesterday with these kinds of witnesses on their side:


- One convicted disbarred felon who served in the Nixon White House. 


- Two legal experts who were openly and publicly anti Trump, similar to Andrew Weismann, Meuller’s Pit bull. 

Jerry Nadler, in his “wisdom”, sarcastically asked what the scope of John Durham’s investigation was. He, and a few others, must be shyting himself since receiving the reply .

https://www.scribd.com/document/412966458/2019-6-10-DOJ-Review-of-Intelligence-Activities-Nadler

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sharkbokCaptain23,218 posts
11 Jun 2019, 10:24
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sharkbokCaptain23,218 posts
11 Jun 2019, 10:25
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
11 Jun 2019, 10:35
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11 Jun 2019, 10:35#62

Windpomp these poor dopes know they are beat. Trump just keeps winning for the American people.

Meanwhile the great source for poor sharktwit and rooitwit, CNN, is crashing - see my post on this. Mark Levin and that Clinton pollster agree that the MSM is destroying itself by its lies and false reporting (That is a great clip oaks).

Sadly the last clowns to jump ship will be the two aforementioned twits, Actually these two jackasses will probably go down with the ship with their last words in unison being: Oh heck Beeno was right yet again. Bwahahahahahahhahahahaha

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CeradynePro9,374 posts
11 Jun 2019, 11:19
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11 Jun 2019, 11:19#63

Maybe Brycy could find us a meme to debunk the notion that Meuller is running from appearing before Congress precisely because of stuff like this:



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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
11 Jun 2019, 12:20
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11 Jun 2019, 12:20#64

Windpomp, truth and ou Brycy are not on talking terms.

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sharkbokCaptain23,218 posts
11 Jun 2019, 13:17
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
11 Jun 2019, 13:40
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11 Jun 2019, 13:40#66
Ah yes....the decedents of the people who came over and rescued Europe from Hitler and then guarded Europe against Stalin, whose tanks could have rolled through to the Channel with ease. The people who created the most successful country in modern history, and who like their lives as they are....who don't see what claim groups of Somalians have on them. You're a bit of a racist Shark.....don't seem to like whites very much hey? And definitely not Christian raised....no Christian 'celebrates Good Friday'. So given you have all these strong feelings....why not have the guts to declare yourself?
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
11 Jun 2019, 13:53
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11 Jun 2019, 13:53#67

Yes sharktwit declare yourself as a racist and a total mampara to boot. Hahahaha. Did I mention perv!

Ou sharktwit must be dismayed at the increase in black and Latino support for Trump. Guess Trump's record low unemployment levels for these two groups plus Asian Americans makes them happy. They are now leaving the demonrat plantation. Candace Owen's is knocking the demonrats for a six. 

Anyhow one has to laugh at sharktwit - he and rooitwit are about as foolish it gets. Yes despite all the help that comes their way from sensible posters who understand what is going on. 

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sharkbokCaptain23,218 posts
11 Jun 2019, 14:14
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11 Jun 2019, 14:14#68
I don't mind Trump, like I said before he just seems like a second-hand car salesman. The pictures were just to get a reaction from some of the loyal Trumpanzee fans.... 
America is a good country - but it does have a large redneck right-wing element that makes little to no contribution - particularly Southern USA. These seem to be Trump's loyal fan base.

I must be the first white racist against whites? I am not sure I understand that point. What surprises me is why some South African people love Trump so much...
I don't mind decent Christians, but I don't like religious hypocrites. (Christian or Muslim). Unfortunately, more than 50% of Christians are false Christians and only associate themselves with religion to try get an afterlife. 
America did nothing in the world war, until they were attacked by Japan. After Hitler had depleted his army trying to defeat Russia.
America is the only country to have used a nuclear bomb- which does raise some questions...
Their wars in the Middle East against the likes of Saddam Hussain could be considered terrorism- or oil wars.
Somalia?
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CeradynePro9,374 posts
11 Jun 2019, 16:21
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11 Jun 2019, 16:21#69

“......but it does have a large redneck right-wing element that makes little to no contribution - particularly Southern USA. These seem to be Trump's loyal fan base.”


And your evidence of that is........?


“What surprises me is why some South African people love Trump so much...”


What surprise you about that? The fact that he is interested in putting up a fight to protect the US workers, or the fact that he is interested in giving people second chances, or the fact that he managed to boost job creation, or the fact that he is pulling out of meaningless wars, or the fact that he had managed to bring NK to the negotiating table, or the fact that he has his economy going, or...... do you want me to carry on? Maybe I should remind you that he is probably the first politician in recent memory who has actually stuck to his campaign promises and not negated on them. 


Or are you more surprised that there are people who do not agree with your view of the man?


“Unfortunately, more than 50% of Christians are false Christians and only associate themselves with religion to try get an afterlife.”


And your evidence for that is........?


“America did nothing in the world war, until they were attacked by Japan. After Hitler had depleted his army trying to defeat Russia.”


Oh really? Or you saying that the war would have ended without their intervention? Try telling Macron that he was bullshitting when he said to Trump, during the DDay commemorations: “We owe you (ie the American people)”. 


“America is the only country to have used a nuclear bomb- which does raise some questions...”


True. And what did that achieve in the end? Did it not play a significant role in the end of the war? Were the people of Nagasaki and Hiroshima the only civilians to have perished and suffered horribly in the war? Remind us of the number of Jews again. 


And when exactly did this become and issue for you? Before or after Trump became president?

 


“Their wars in the Middle East against the likes of Saddam Hussain could be considered terrorism- or oil wars.”


Exactly, and of the last four US presidents, which one of them was the only one who is actually actively  trying his best to end those useless wars? At the same time, which one of them was the one who actually intensified the wars? 

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
11 Jun 2019, 17:58
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11 Jun 2019, 17:58#70

Windomp what a devastating demolishment of sharktwit's drivel.

But be assured the clown will be back with more redicous assertions soon enough.

I think there is something  really not right about him. 

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
11 Jun 2019, 18:30
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11 Jun 2019, 18:30#71

...some sort of baiter he seems to be Beenz...nobody can be so narrow closed-minded.

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sharkbokCaptain23,218 posts
11 Jun 2019, 18:35
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11 Jun 2019, 18:35#72

@Ceradunce,

Nuclear Bomb: You approve of this- Was it justified? Should America have used this in Vietnam, or in Irak? 

American Red Neck % Trump Fans: - Can you disprove my statement- if you ask me to prove it? 

World War 2 -  America joined the Allies - only after Japan attacked them. Had Japan not attacked, it might not have happened....  

False Christian % - Can you disprove that more than 50% of Christians are false Christians? So, asking me to prove something that is an opinion in the same. Would you consider Beeno a good Christian? 

Their Wars - I was talking about America in one sentence, and Trump in another. Trump is certainly not responsible for these before he was president. 

Economy - Any right-wing government can boost the economy by taking away public services created by a left wing, and cutting taxes. There is also ups and downs in global economies that a president does not effect. Trump needs to prove he can do this long term. There are rumours that America has had a recent but rapid slow down in job creation. 

South African's that like Trump: It seems it is more the far right winger that like Trump. Maybe Trump should import them to Alabama.



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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
11 Jun 2019, 18:42
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
11 Jun 2019, 20:13
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11 Jun 2019, 20:13#74

When you are a plank not much can be done about it. 

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CeradynePro9,374 posts
11 Jun 2019, 20:36
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11 Jun 2019, 20:36#75

"Nuclear Bomb: You approve of this- Was it justified? Should America have used this in Vietnam, or in Irak? "

You have to excuse me for answering this one in a fairly long-winded way.

Have you ever served in the military? I guess not. I have.

Back in 1976 when we were doing the Urban Coin Ops (Urban Counter Insurgency Operations), we were practising D-formations. I am not going to go into that because that would make it even more long-winded. Essentially one of the key principles of Urban Coin is the principle of minimum force.

Now, there was a difference in how the SA Police and the SADF used to approach minimum force. In short the police' approach was to talk to the crowd to try and persuade them to disperse, if that did not work they would throw teargas grenades at them, if that did not work the would fire rubber bullets at them. The next step would be bird shot and if that didn't work they would use buck shot and only thereafter would they use real live ammo.

The military approach was to warn them, throw one or two teargas grenades and then the platoon commander would choose one of the main instigators and issue more or less the following command: "Rifleman number __ (any one form number 1 to 30). The man with the red shirt and holding the loud haler, standing on the oil drum, fire to kill". That's it. Nine times out of ten, that would have the desired effect. That is minimum force. Remember what I said when I started my military career, ie 1976, the year of the Soweto uprising. Many more policemen died in those events than soldiers. 

Hector Pietersen, a child, was killed by police when they opened fire. That was following the police minimum force protocols, causing the crowd to be pissed off and storming the police, forcing them to defend themselves. the military never killed kids in their operations because they selected one target and that ended the incident. 

Fast forward ten years and I am doing my training to become and officers. One of the modules of our course is The Art of Verbal Persuasion. Part of the final evaluation is to deliver a speech to make a statement and then debate it with the class. One of my colleagues, Johan Ellis, made a speech titled "Maximum Force as a Form of Minimum Force". He argued that we could have put an end to the conflict on the Namibian border and in Angola by launching one massive conventional military offensive on the MPLA/FNLA headquarters. He used the nuclear attacks on Hiroshima and Nagasaki as motivation for his idea.

Nagasaki and Hiroshima was a perfect example of using maximum force as a form of minimum force.

Whether it should have been used in Vietnam or Iran is a hypothetical. I don't think so. Neither the Vietnam war nor the Iraq war was nearly as devastating as either of the two world wars.

"American Red Neck % Trump Fans: - Can you disprove my statement- if you ask me to prove it?  "

You made the initial assertion, it is your call to provide your evidence of your initial assertion. 

"World War 2 -  America joined the Allies - only after Japan attacked them. Had Japan not attacked, it might not have happened....   "

Another hypothesis. You don't know for sure that they would not have joined. 

"False Christian % - Can you disprove that more than 50% of Christians are false Christians? So, asking me to prove something that is an opinion in the same. Would you consider Beeno a good Christian?  "

See the redneck issue. Your assertion. Your burden of proof.

It is not my place to judge Beeno as either a "good" or a "bad" Christian. Your remark leaves the impression that you are judging him. Correct? And if so, how would you judge him and most importantly, what do you base your judgement on?

"Their Wars - I was talking about America in one sentence, and Trump in another. Trump is certainly not responsible for these before he was president.  "

This entire thread is about Trump and this was what I was trying to get across. There is so much criticism on Trump, yet he is the first US president in decades who is trying to put an end to these endless and mindless fucking wars but he is constantly being regarded as a stupid fucking moron/bozo.

"Economy - Any right-wing government can boost the economy by taking away public services created by a left wing, and cutting taxes.  "

A trimmed down public service, coupled with minimum govt intervention and cutting taxes is nothing but basic Economics 101.  Although, it is also true that it is not a particular favourite of the liberal lefties who want everything for free rather than working for it in the old fashioned conservative way, and the only way to pay for the freebies is by expanding the public service and raising taxes. 

It is the normal course of action to have a conservative govt who put on the brakes after a period of liberal wastage. 

The newly elected conservative govt then starts applying the brakes, decrease reckless spending and bring the finances back in line. Then, you have a type relaxing period of prosperity and loads of money to start blowing on freebies again. That is when the lefties start with the election promises of dishing out freebies again, and the sheeple always fall for their BS and voila. Everything starts all over again. 

If you want me to explain that to you, I will but know that it leaves me with some doubts. 

"South Africa's that like Trump: It seems it is more the far right winger that like Trump. Maybe Trump should import them to Alabama. "

I think you could well be wrong. I think that in Nov 2016, you could have been close to correct but I think that there is a hell of a lot more who like him nowadays. I think.... no, I am 100% sure... that many South Africans, not just far right wingers would not thin twice to accept to be "exported" to Alabama.

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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
11 Jun 2019, 21:45
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11 Jun 2019, 21:45#76

"America joined the Allies - only after Japan attacked them. Had Japan not attacked, it might not have happened....   "

"Another hypothesis. You don't know for sure that they would not have joined."

Well what we do know for a fact is that America sat back and watched as Britain was attacked by the Luftwaffe in what is now known as the Battle of Britain . . . which became the first German failure of the war and probably the single most important turning point in World War II. 

If the Germans had been successful and destroyed the RAF then Britain would have had no defence to Operation Sealion and the Nazis would have had a significant and probably insurmountable advantage in the war to come.

The Yanks sat back and watched while pilots from Poland, New Zealand, Canada, Czechoslovakia, Australia, Belgium, South Africa and France flew alongside the brave RAF pilots to repel the formidable German bombers and Messerschmitt fighters. The Yank s basically waited to see who would win that battle so they could sell arms to the victors and make a fat profit . . . which they did . . . and then made a whole bunch of Hollywood movies depicting themselves as the saviours of the free world.

Stinking cowards if you ask me.    

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
11 Jun 2019, 21:50
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11 Jun 2019, 21:50#77
Well let me throw in a few cents. The bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. The immediate death toll is estimated at 225000.....the estimate for an invasion of Japan was 10 million Japanese casualties, and 250000 US troop deaths. No Commander in Chief could impose that death toll on his own nation, which lost half a million in a war they never started, if there was a way that could be avoided. Perhaps one demonstration bomb could have been dropped on an unpopulated area....but the Japanese were unlikely to react to that, and very little nuclear material was available. So while Hiroshima and Nagsaki were tragic events, the circumstances drove the choice to use the bombs. ......... Now the role of Russia. Yes the battle for Moscow and the defining tank battle at Kursk were the initial setbacks in the land battle. But half of the Wehrmacht was anchored in Western Europe, mostly because of the risk of invasion. That risk only had credibility because of the US involvement....absent that risk the Wehrmacht doubles on the Eastern front and destroys the Russian resistance. And the Russians were kept in business by the death convoys ferrying material, mostly American, which allowed the Russians time to ramp up their own production. ....... So lots of people have revisionist views....but they never had to make the decisions about who exactly would live who would die. ..... Then the Gulf wars.....be clear, the American tax payers are deep in the tank to pay for these wars. The first Gulf war was to help Kuwait repel the invading Iraq.....a totally moral action. The second Gulf war ousted a man who was guilty of systematic brutality....and while much is made of WMD never being found, the liberal media loses sight of the horrors of the regime. It was an ill advised war, not because it wasn't justified, but because it left Iran another evil country, unopposed. But lose the Oil War notion....every barrel went to the benefit of Iraq, not the US, which paid a fortune for the privilege of eliminating a monster.
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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
11 Jun 2019, 21:54
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11 Jun 2019, 21:54#78

I'll go tomorrow if I get the chance. Alabama has great weather, the property isn't too expensive...and the economy doesn't look too bad. I think that about 50% of the population is African American, so South Africans will feel less of a shock to the system .

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
12 Jun 2019, 08:48
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12 Jun 2019, 08:48#79

The American involvement in the war turned the tables and led to the defeat of the Nazis. Perhaps that is really what the fascist rooitwit is so bugged about.

America had also to come to the rescue of Europe in the first world War. 

Having saved Europe twice look how Europe responds today. Tarrifs on American goods and trade barriers. Trying to avoid sanctions on Iran. Not paying their fair share for NATO. 

But ou rooitwit's hatred of America, based on Trump's phenomenally successful Presidency and his disdain of Moz who ties him up in notts repeatedly, has triggered the poor oak. 

Can anybody actually imagine wee rooitwit saying to a Marine that they are "stinking cowards" Of course not. Bwhahahahaha how weird all this outrage of ou rooitwit is. One of many symptoms of his personality disorder! 

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