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Tucker is interviewing Putin!!

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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
24 Feb 2024, 15:11
#81
24 Feb 2024, 15:11#81

It's stupid to fight to the death in a lost cause

Amazing just one short sentence and two fallacies.

..there's no elections any more...

Again the fact that you bring this up without context shows you're determined to paint Ukraine in a bad light.

...men below 65 are not allowed to leave the country...they have no choice but to fight...who's to say they even want to anymore?
As for as I'm aware the majority of Ukrainian public support continuing the fight against Russia.
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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
24 Feb 2024, 15:27
#82
24 Feb 2024, 15:27#82

"Amazing just one short sentence and two fallacies."

In you opinion.

"without context shows you're determined to paint Ukraine in a bad light."

No, I'm not...I get that you can't have fair elections in a war...it's just difficult to guage what the people want without them.


"As for as I'm aware the majority of Ukrainian public support continuing the fight against Russia."

I think so too, but the point is, we can't know...I've seen first hand how the media slants things...fighting to death should be voluntary...are you saying men younger than 65 are allowed to leave the country?


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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
24 Feb 2024, 15:32
#83
24 Feb 2024, 15:32#83

BT W...I agree that Tucker should have asked a few tougher questions, but do yourself a favor and go watch the interview...and try to keep an open mind...and I won't mind if you skip the Putin history lesson/propaganda.

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
24 Feb 2024, 19:25
#84
24 Feb 2024, 19:25#84

THe Putin History lesson is the best part as it shows just as Mike and I proved that there were very sound reasons why Putin had to act. It is precisely the history part that opened so many eyes to the truth of what Us led Nato has been up to.

There are now some 1 billion people much better informed thanks to Tucker. Tucker showed what a great interviewer he is. Nobody wanted to hear Tucker arguing the toss with Putin. They wanted to hear Putin talk and Tucker let Putin have his say. 

One thing for sure Putin comes across as far more sane than bumbling Biden and a far, far more capable leader. Actually Biden of course is just a puppet doing what he i s told in order to destroy America and the West.

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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
24 Feb 2024, 21:05
#85
24 Feb 2024, 21:05#85

..

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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
25 Feb 2024, 08:54
#86
25 Feb 2024, 08:54#86

but do yourself a favor and go watch the interview...and try to keep an open mind

I'll do myself a favor and not watch it. Tell me what should I be keeping an open mind on. Did Putin come up with any new reason's for why he started the war or provide any supporting evidence?


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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
25 Feb 2024, 11:33
#87
25 Feb 2024, 11:33#87

...or not...keep on having other people decide your opinion then...good luck with that.

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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
25 Feb 2024, 11:52
#88
25 Feb 2024, 11:52#88
LOL the irony, and surprise sur prise, you didn't answer my question.



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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
25 Feb 2024, 12:05
#89
25 Feb 2024, 12:05#89

lol indeed says the man with his fingers in his ears...

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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
25 Feb 2024, 12:19
#90
25 Feb 2024, 12:19#90

So tell me what did Putin say in the interview that I haven't heard before?

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
25 Feb 2024, 13:55
#91
25 Feb 2024, 13:55#91

...idk what you heard before and you don't know what he said...the point actually...

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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
25 Feb 2024, 15:55
#92
25 Feb 2024, 15:55#92
So how do you know I haven't heard it all before.
But let me make it easier for you, which one of Putin's arguments did you find compelling?
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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
26 Feb 2024, 07:14
#93
26 Feb 2024, 07:14#93

For ouMaaik



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Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
26 Feb 2024, 08:04
#94
26 Feb 2024, 08:04#94

Even Putin himself complained that the questions from Tucker were too soft....

Putin admitted that he was prepared for a more rigorous debate with some very hard questions...

Tucker did a horrible job..... he was probably more worried about making the journey safely back to the plane..... and then finally getting back to the US without the plane going missing somewhere midflight.

Tucker also rightly got heavily lambasted when he did his Russian supermarket trolley trip on camera ...what a joke

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
02 Mar 2024, 09:22
#95
02 Mar 2024, 09:22#95

"But let me make it easier for you, which one of Putin's arguments did you find compelling?"

None

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
02 Mar 2024, 09:50
#96
02 Mar 2024, 09:50#96

 

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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
02 Mar 2024, 10:33
#97
02 Mar 2024, 10:33#97

None

So why did you want me to watch the full interview?

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
02 Mar 2024, 11:37
#98
02 Mar 2024, 11:37#98

Because it's important to see certain things for yourself.

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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
02 Mar 2024, 14:28
#99
02 Mar 2024, 14:28#99

It's hilarious. 

When Tucker was asked why he interviewed Putin, he specifically said that because even if you don't agree with what someone does, it's important to get their view. And obviously, the larger the scale of the problem, the more true this is. 

The logical fallacy is that listening = sympathising or condoning. More simply, guilt by association.

So, S tav, here's a direct question...

As it currently stands, would you support negotiations between Russia and Ukraine?




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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
02 Mar 2024, 16:58
#100
02 Mar 2024, 16:58#100

It's hilarious. 

When Tucker was asked why he interviewed Putin, he specifically said that because even if you don't agree with what someone does, it's important to get their view. And obviously, the larger the scale of the problem, the more true this is. 

What's hilarious is that you think we haven't heard Putin's views before. Their was nothing in that interview he hasn't said many times already.

How many times do you want us to listen to the same rubbish that's never backed up by any evidence.

The logical fallacy is that listening = sympathising or condoning. More simply, guilt by association.

Listening is not sympathizing or condoning. But at some point you got to call bullshit on people pushing crap.

So, Stav, here's a direct question...

As it currently stands, would you support negotiations between Russia and Ukraine?

I believe its up to Ukraine to decide whether its time to negotiate or not.

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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
02 Mar 2024, 20:17
#101
02 Mar 2024, 20:17#101
I didn't ask you to start a campaign for negotiations, Star. All I'm asking is if you think there should be negotiations right now.
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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
02 Mar 2024, 22:24
#102
02 Mar 2024, 22:24#102

No I do not.

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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
02 Mar 2024, 22:40
#103
02 Mar 2024, 22:40#103
lol you don't or simply can't bring yourself to admit that there probably should be negotiations?
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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
02 Mar 2024, 23:10
#104
02 Mar 2024, 23:10#104
As I said its up to Ukraine if they want to negotiate.
But leaving that aside and the morality of Ukraine been forced to make concessions to an aggressive neighbor that attacked it without any justification, there is no way I'd trust Putin to negotiate in good faith.



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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
03 Mar 2024, 00:40
#105
03 Mar 2024, 00:40#105
Two years into Russia's invasion, exhausted Ukrainians refuse to give up
  • Published
  • 24 February
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  • War in Ukraine
  • By James WaterhouseBBC News, in Kryvyi Rih, Ukraine

    It translates as "crooked horn", but President Zelensky calls Kryvyi Rih his "big soul and heart".

    He credits this gritty, industrial city with moulding his character. He grew up in a sprawling block of flats known as the Anthill.

    When you stand in front of this towering structure, Volodymyr Zelensky's journey from this setting to wartime leader feels remarkable.

    "I want the war to end soon," says Vita, who lived near Zelensky's parents. "He's a normal, good guy who fights for people. I just want this war and the sirens to end sooner."

    But with minimal Ukrainian progress and growing Russian dominance, there is no end in sight, and that's both fuelling and being fuelled by influential pockets of Western doubters.

    At the recent Munich Security Conference, President Zelensky told delegates not to ask Ukraine when the war would end, but instead to "ask why Putin is still able to continue it".

    With blocked military aid now directly hampering his forces on the front line, it was a swipe at those delaying the ammunition and weapons his soldiers desperately need.


  • "I'm no politician," confesses Valeriy, a man in his 80s perched outside a grocery shop. "We can't ask when the war will stop again.

    "We must fight; we won't tolerate anything else. People are so angry now."

    That appetite to defend has remained mostly intact since that morning on 24 February 2022. Against a terrifying unknown, people volunteered in their thousands to join Ukraine's fight.

    The world's gaze turned to Kyiv, from where I was reporting.

    President Zelensky's profile and popularity went stratospheric as he turned down offers of evacuation and remained in Kyiv.

    "I need ammunition, not a ride," he said in a now iconic quote.

    His needs have not changed, but his pleas have lost their electrifying impact.

    A failed counter-offensive in 2023 led to uncomfortable questions over whether Ukraine is capable of liberating its territory.

    Republican doubters in the US are hindering Ukraine's ability to fight by blocking billions of dollars worth of military aid. Kyiv says more frontline troops are dying as a result of weapon shortages and dwindling ammunition.

    All the while, Russia has remained on a war footing, and its allies North Korea and Iran are supplying more missiles to rain down on Ukrainian cities.

  • Kryvyi Rih isn't immune to the fatigue most of the country feels. Some have had enough of this war, many men are fearful of being conscripted, and yet they say the conflict is still a fight for survival.

    The idea of a compromise or concession to Russia is viewed as a defeat. It's existential.

    In a symptom of the world Ukrainians live in, I now associate playgrounds with death.

    The last time I saw children play in one was at a school next to my flat in Kyiv, before the invasion. Now they are the site of a devastating missile strike, lying abandoned on a front line, or in Brovary, near Kyiv, the scene of a helicopter crash.

    Youthful innocence replaced with body bags and destruction.

    In Kryvyi Rih, we meet a tearful Yuriy as he watches his flat get demolished after a missile strike last year. Exposed wallpaper patterns reveal the different lives destroyed.

    "No one needs this war, what is it for anyway?" he asks. "So many people are being killed."

    So, does he think Ukraine should swap territory for peace?

    "Definitely not," he replies bluntly. "A lot of people died for those territories.
  • The lack of battlefield progress caused a corrosive rift between President Zelensky and the head of his armed forces Valerii Zaluzhnyi. Now sacked, General Zaluzhnyi is seen as a potential political rival to his old boss.

    Around Kryvyi Rih, Ukrainians try to help where their country's allies increasingly will not. In one inconspicuous building, a growing army of volunteers stitch camouflage nettings for troops on the front line.

    The men and women are kept separate because of "their different jokes," explains the organiser.

    In another industrial wing of the city, a former bike club has swapped cycling for smoke. Teams mix chemicals into canisters which will become smoke grenades. A useful military tool if you are trying to attack, or evacuate the injured.

    "It's impossible to stay at home with my thoughts when my husband is fighting," explains Ines, one of the volunteers. "Here I feel I can do something to make it easier for them."

    Russia's decade of aggression towards Ukraine began with the annexation of Crimea in 2014 and then spilled into a draining war in the country's east. On the 731st day of the full-scale invasion, it's a different kind of war.

    While extraordinary, Ukraine's successes in defence and degrading Russia's navy have not changed the tide in its favour.

    The novelty of this war has gone. Ukraine, Kryvyi Rih and its famous son will need to find new reserves of strength and a clever playbook to keep the world engaged.

    Additional reporting by Hanna Chornous, Scarlett Barter and Svitlana Libet.

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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
03 Mar 2024, 02:38
#106
03 Mar 2024, 02:38#106



Inna can't bear to put her son's photo on his grave yet. The image that she used for his funeral is still at home. She's not ready to let go.

Vladislav Bykanov was killed last June by a mine explosion near Bakhmut. He was about to turn 23 and already a deputy commander.

"I believe my son died doing the right thing," Inna says firmly, as her daughter cries quietly beside her.

"I'm a teacher and I always tell the children this: we are right, we are defending our country and our children. My son was defending us. He believed in this cause. And I believe," Inna says before pausing to take in the flags and faces all around.

She hasn't visited the cemetery for a little while and the row of soldiers' graves has grown.

"Do you think my son wasn't afraid? I was afraid too, when he went. Everyone's afraid of dying," she answers, when I wonder what she thinks of those who avoid signing up to fight.

"But maybe being enslaved by Russia is more frightening? Now we see death. It's very difficult. Very difficult. But there is no way back. We can't give up."

Additional reporting by Anastasiia Levchenko and Paul Pradier

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
03 Mar 2024, 06:22
#107
03 Mar 2024, 06:22#107

"Republican doubters in the US are hindering Ukraine's ability to fight by blocking billions of dollars worth of military aid."

It's not as simple as that.

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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
03 Mar 2024, 08:00
#108
03 Mar 2024, 08:00#108
Yeah, most boxers don't want the towel thrown in either. They're too proud. But pride is known to deviate from logic. That's why the coach is allowed to make the call.
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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
03 Mar 2024, 08:33
#109
03 Mar 2024, 08:33#109

It's not as simple as that.

It is that simple and history will judge those Republicans blocking aid very harshly. Just goes to show the MAGA wing doesn't want solutions to the crisis at the border, it wants it to go on so they can make political capital of it. No different to when Trump recently said he wanted the American economy to crash.

Yeah, most boxers don't want the towel thrown in either.

They're too proud. But pride is known to deviate from logic. That's why the coach is allowed to make the call.

Yes because Ukraine's motivation for fighting is pride and not survival right?

— END OF THREAD —

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