Us Excess death rates due to Covid

The Wall Street Journal, has reproduced CDC data on excess deaths showing the effects of Covid. The net effect is equivalent to 0.7% reduction in life expectancy for white males, but a staggering 3 year reduction in life expectancy for Blacks, were Covid to continue at it’s 2020 rate.

These numbers show the effect of urbanization and obesity on mortality, because Blacks are disadvantaged disproportionately by both factors. 

They also suggest that absent an intervention herd immunity was not going to be achieved without a lot more deaths. The poorer communities are simply incapable of protecting the vulnerable.

An infectious disease with no prior exposure rips through societies....look at At Play In The Fields Of Our Lord, for a graphic example.

Our infectious disease people horribly failed their first big test since the Spanish flu. Starting with ludicrously high death rate estimates, when the ‘semi controlled’ experiment of the Royal Princess clearly showed otherwise. Promoting useless drugs like Remdesivir and panning other remedies that had better data. And pretending masks are a panacea, when no controlled study has shown this....and now reversing course on masks in the USA even though Covid is not done.

The only thing that has worked is vaccination...as you can clearly see in the data for Israel, the UK and the US. Here the real scientists buried in companies like J&J have found a way to protect against this disease. But there is always the risk of new cases generating a really dangerous variant. So it’s a race against time. We need to get the world fully vaccinated.

I published the official figures of deaths in the US for 2020 and the 4 prior years.  The 2020 deaths were down on 2019 by some 400,000.

Huge resistance is building up to the the extremely dangerous experimental gene therapies. Now stop punting the Globalist line Dr Mozzzzzz lives are at stake and you shouldn't be pedaling this stuff.

The vast majority of people know from all walks of life have no intention of taking Gate's poison. To hell with these people and their genocidal dreams.  

Beeno0, simpleton. 
It is clear Covid is getting worse. 

Other pandemics may have started the same way, with the virus mutating over time- and getting more powerful. Who knows what it is going to mutate into.

The disease could get so bad it turns people into Beeno, and the vaccine for that is turning people into LGBT. 

I am afraid I agree with Mozart,   The bad idea is to turn the Covid issue  into a political debacle  - like was done by certain parties to play political football  and not dealt with the issue in a scientific basis,.   For that reason and for the panic situation that was part of the latter issue,

If the issue did not become  politicized the death rate would not have been inflated and a real perspective found that could have prevented many deaths.   

Another issue is how did the virus actually came into being,   Was it developed at the Wuhan Laboratory or not?   The idea that it had  a natural  origin is ridiculous - bats have been in existence as long as mankind has been and there were no such pandemics before in the history of mankind,   The USA  banned research on that sort of thing before because of the danger that it can be abused and  use a a biological  weapon  and  the weirdos moved the research project to China and even funded the project from the USA.   China is a vastly over-populated country with a dictatorship in control  and they would have no qualms  abusing viruses like these in a program  to enhance their own  geo-political objectives even if it means  that millions in China itself died from the virus.

Mozart wrote about the issue  of  deaths being inflated  and SB about mutation,  but through the centuries there has been  deaths when people had  no natural  contact  with people that developed herd amunity to diseases.    An example is small pox that virtually wiped out the  original inhabitants of the Western Cape area in the 17th and early 18th centuries,   It cane from in Europe where herd amunity was in evidence  - but not  in Africa,   The same thing happened  in South America  when the Spanish and Portuguese  conquered  the continent.   

So why are poor people more likely to die like happened for instance in the Indian sub-continent at present?    Does it have to do with their diets and living conditions resulting in mutations?   Those  are questions that needs to be investigated and answered by scientists for it could  result in  mutations?

The other issue relates back to laboratories like Wuhan,    Should  there not be a worldwide ban on such virus  research  being undertaken by laboratories?    What if another virus with even deadlier consequences  than Covid 19 is developed  and escape from such institutions?   

by Michael Suede • November 26, 2020

• “Therefore, according to Briand, not only has COVID-19 had no effect on the percentage of deaths of older people, but it has also not increased the total number of deaths.”
• “All of this points to no evidence that COVID-19 created any excess deaths. Total death numbers are not above normal death numbers. We found no evidence to the contrary,” Briand concluded.

According to new data, the U.S. currently ranks first in total COVID-19 cases, new cases per day and deaths. Genevieve Briand, assistant program director of the Applied Economics master’s degree program at Hopkins, critically analyzed the effect of COVID-19 on U.S. deaths using data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) in her webinar titled “COVID-19 Deaths: A Look at U.S. Data.”

From mid-March to mid-September, U.S. total deaths have reached 1.7 million, of which 200,000, or 12% of total deaths, are COVID-19-related. Instead of looking directly at COVID-19 deaths, Briand focused on total deaths per age group and per cause of death in the U.S. and used this information to shed light on the effects of COVID-19.

She explained that the significance of COVID-19 on U.S. deaths can be fully understood only through comparison to the number of total deaths in the United States.

After retrieving data on the CDC website, Briand compiled a graph representing percentages of total deaths per age category from early February to early September, which includes the period from before COVID-19 was detected in the U.S. to after infection rates soared.

Surprisingly, the deaths of older people stayed the same before and after COVID-19. Since COVID-19 mainly affects the elderly, experts expected an increase in the percentage of deaths in older age groups. However, this increase is not seen from the CDC data. In fact, the percentages of deaths among all age groups remain relatively the same.

“The reason we have a higher number of reported COVID-19 deaths among older individuals than younger individuals is simply because every day in the U.S. older individuals die in higher numbers than younger individuals,” Briand said.

Briand also noted that 50,000 to 70,000 deaths are seen both before and after COVID-19, indicating that this number of deaths was normal long before COVID-19 emerged. Therefore, according to Briand, not only has COVID-19 had no effect on the percentage of deaths of older people, but it has also not increased the total number of deaths.

These data analyses suggest that in contrast to most people’s assumptions, the number of deaths by COVID-19 is not alarming. In fact, it has relatively no effect on deaths in the United States.

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The USA death rate year on year ex Maco Trends. Note there is no increase in 2020.

HasBeen I am not reproducing the globalist view....I am reproducing what seems to be the truth, without prior bias. There is much the globalists have to answer for about Covid. And the Wuhan Lab is still among the leading possible causes for covid.

But you and I can’t collect the raw data....so we have to rely on official statistics. The excess death rates come from the CDC which is the base source for most of the studies. It’s the best data we have.

Almost everybody has been wrong at some point during this debate...let your common sense be your guide. Personally I am convinced it’s a serious disease and while there is some risk the vaccines could have side effects, there is a more serious risk that a dangerous variant could evolve.

A 3 year drop in black male life expectancy if Covid continued unabated is equivalent to the most serious form of cancer suddenly becoming infectious. Who wouldn’t take steps against that.

I am not taking anybody's  part  in this case - bu t asked one serious question about the issue that needs to be fully investigated.   In the first instance there is one thing that bothers me,   When research  on the type of  project  was banned in the USA and other democratic countries in the world  was the research continued at the Wuhan laboratory and funded by the USA  from money the USA made available for other research on legal projects, rerouted by Faucci and his associates to the Wuhan laboratory to fund  the unlawful research taking place there?

@SimpleMike

You need to learn to separate facts from speculation. 

Fact: Fauci did approve funding on behalf of the US government to a Wuhan laboratory for research into Coronaviruses.
This is something other top-ranking US government officials would be aware of and have approved. 

Speculation/Conspiracy: This funding was for gain of function research into how to improve the transmissibility of viruses. Therefore Fauci must in some way be involved in a conspiracy with China. 

Fact+Speculation does not = fact. 

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If it the most remote corner in the universe - and Fauci was actually responsible for this, everyone would want to lock him up. Millions are dead. 

The US Government did not approve any funding for coronavirus studies at the Wuhan Laboratory and the money was allocated to the University of Texas for approved  projects and rerouted to  the Wuhan Laboratory by Faucci.    That is  not a conspiracy theory - it is a fact,  I said that the issue should be fully investigated - nothing else.   Faucci should not be above the law - should he?               

Fauci is in big trouble as is gates and the CCP Demonrats.

Beeno providing solid analysis , facts and figures.

Anybody wondering why the death rate did not go up in 2020? Just asking. Thi nk about it oaks. Apply the two lonely brain cellsharkstink.

Stick with Beeno.

I've begun to think that the lab hypothesis might well be known to be correct but that were it to be verified it could result in WW3.

...as such, sticking to the animal to human transmission story might be a white lie of sorts.

The main reason for me thinking this is that it just seems that "follow the science" is the phrase of the day but actually following the science would not see scientists and politicians so adverse to fully exploring lab origin hypothesis. Simply, it's the most likely origin of this thing.

It doesn't take a genius to understand what statistically relevant data points are. A lab conducting gain of function research on Corona viruses being in the same town as the origin of the virus. That's beyond significant.

If you you wake up tomorrow morning and all the MSM networks are suddenly reporting that there is conclusive proof it came from the Wuhan lab and the CCP has been lying all along...welcome to WW3 chaps. 

DONT THINK IT WOULD LEAD TO WW3 PLUM.

Right now the Globalist elites rule America and Europe. They are in alliance with China. Hence in the States everything is done by the media to make out China are the good guys. China Joe said as much - the Chinese are not out to eat our lunch he said the Chinese are good people. Well the Chinese may be good people but the CCP are not. Ditto with islam their other ally who are helping them destroy the nation states of Europe.

Some token sanctions may be applied to appease the people  but no war in my opinion.

 A war involving China looks to be coming later on as the Bible speaks of an army of 200 million coming from to east. Probably China. Don't think we are quite there yet prophetically but who knows how rapidly things can develop .

Dunno, Beeno

As regards prophecies- One(I/Me) can't rule anything out, no matter how strange one might perceive it to be, but that also means one(I/Me) can't operate on the basis of one specific unproven future truth. So, I am forced to assume that a prophecy could be accurate but at the same time that it may not.

If it were confirmed that China manufactured the virus and then lied once it got out...I can't see any politicians putting out the shit-storm that would follow.

The global population would want an end to the CCP since that's squarely where the blame would rest.

However, the net effect of such a war would be far worse than Covid.

Or, perhaps not. It might be a quick war since I can't see anybody being dumb enough to line up beside China were they found to be the perpetrators of Covid.

Of course, I'm speculating...haha.

Haha I'm always speculating.

When Moz says, 

"These numbers show the effect of urbanization and obesity on mortality, because Blacks are disadvantaged disproportionately by both factors."

One has to wonder if it's really a good idea to lockdown and then give no advice as to diet, general health/fitness?

I think that in a year we'll know more about the side effects since there's obviously been a ramping up in data from roll-outs of the vaccine. 

And besides, there is what Yeadon talked about IE that the virus had spread more quickly and was much less deadly than assumed. What the tests were finding were rema inders of defeated T-cells. Therefore, increased false positives whilst also not properly understanding where in the virus cycle we were/are. 

TLDR The vaccines might be working but it's worth taking into account that Yeadon could be correct when says the virus may be in a natural recession anyway.

EDIT; On Yeadon - The difference between the way beholden and free scientists talk is staggering. Fauci with all the double-speak and avoidance. Guy is an expert in the arrogant "I know more than you" smile after giving evasive answers to direct questions. Compare that to this Yeadon chap...

Yeadon has proven that he is an idiot. He is either lying/getting paid to spread disinformation - or he is going crazy. 

During the summer of 2020, he said the UK was past the worst of the virus. 
 Then in January 2021, 30,000 thousand died from Covid in the UK.  

Just watching that video you posted ButtPlug on Yeadon, there are so many mistakes that even someone with no medical training could easily identify as un-factual. He is like Scott Atlas, he must be lying. 

Yeadon also claims that lockdowns do not work. Most people would agree that limiting human contact slows down the transmission of the virus. A primary schoolkids could work that out, so why would a scientist say this/ 

If you are not going to accept the scientific mainstream consensus, why are you going to accept a scientist that contradicts this?
If you don't believe in science that is fine but why quote an outlier?  

SB

Now Faucci is under pressure and he came out with two clear statements -

*     he thinks that the virus may be generated in a laboratory;

*    h does not know what the money he rerouted from the University of Texas was used for/

He does not know whether it was for the virus research banned in the USA and  pretends everybody is an idiot,   Just think dimness - why have research done in China  when it could be legally done in  the USA.    That idiot is part of the cause of the virus that killed millions of people and is a real mass murdering lunatic  scientist - the type never to be allowed to touch anything in a democracy but welcome in dictatorships and  in this case used by the Communists for their own purposes.

What happened is no conspiracy theory - the defense of the Democrats caught red-handed is always  spreading lies, calling real accusations  conspiracy theories and getting FBI protection.  Idiots believe them  - thinking people see through their dishonesty and crookedness,           

Simplemike, you are blinded by ideology. No as bad as Beeno, but still totally biased. You are filtering information to only take in what you want. 

I can assure you that in most countries if someone was involved in creating Covid intentionally - everyone would want them hanged in the town square - regardless of ideology.

SB

The first person that should be hung is Faucci,  and his collaborators,   They are dangerous people and a threat t o mankind.   

Draad

Nothing happened in Communist China that has not been approved by the Government.  If it was an accidental leak  the guilty person or persons would have been identified  and killed by now.         

If it was by accident, it would be culpable homicide for millions of people, along with damages to the economy and quality of life everyone affected.
That would be a life sentence as a minimum. 

However, back to reality - Fauci did not create this intentionally or by accident.
It is possible it was a lab error in China, but at the present time, it is believed it was natural.
Not 100% certain, but it is the most likely cause. 

No sensible person thinks China intentionally created this virus, as it would impact them as much as anyone else. Also, most of China's customers are the global market, so what would they gain by destroying their client base. 

Also if the Chinese found out their government created this intentionally, it would most likely be enough motivation for the Chinese to overthrow the current Communist party. 

SB

Please get real for a change.    First of all China  is a  COMMUNIST DICTATORSHIP without any free press/   History indicates  that their leaders  have no respect for human beings,   After they came to power in 1949 they killed off all potential opposition people - circa 72 million  of them 

Remember a Dictatorship with worldwide ambitions they will do anything  they can do to advance their interests.    That means they will do anything  they can  to disrupt  and undermine democracy and economies of  potential opponents to their regime.   

To overthrow the Regime is just not possible and could at best be described as a   pipe dream.      

Very Well stated.

Old VisKop is the softest plank on this site.

When Trump was in office and highlighting that this came from China...nobody wanted to look at China because everyone had to be seen to have the opposite opinion to Trump. All lefty media were calling the lab leak hypothesis a "crazy conspiracy" and old SussieVissie was right there with them.

Now that Trumps been out of office, strangely the scientists are saying what every person with half a brain could have figured out for themselves...the evidence for a lab leak is the stronger of the two and thus it is the most likely source of this pandemic.

Of course, VisKop jumped on the highly politicised scientific bandwagon of this while calling everyone else biased as he did so. 

The guy is, as I've stated many times before, a complete plank.

"However, back to reality - Fauci did not create this intentionally or by accident.
It is possible it was a lab error in China, but at the present time, it is believed it was natural."

Stop parroting this KAK. It's simply not true you blithering imbecile.

There was around a 50/50 split between where scientists thought this came from and currently, daily, more and more scientists are agreeing that the lab hypothesis is the most likely.

Whoosh!

Oh dear, sounds like we now have two Squeaky Toys . . .

... you've always had two Squeaky Toys

Ou Maaik, w ho are you talking to, liar?

To you dimness - Plum is a thinking person - you are a brainwashed idiot.   

Ou Maaik, then say so, dumbo. 

I don't waste time with low-class liars so don't bother addressing me in future.

Sussievissie. Hahahahahahahaha great one Plum.

But as to who the  softest plank on the board its a close call. Redstink is a profoundly ignorant bigoted halfwit as ell. I 

I give the nod though to  sharkstink as he tries harder and posts more than redstink. otherwise they are just as daft as each other.

Yes Fauci is now in serious trouble. He lied under about the funding of the Wuhan lab and now after saying the virus occurred naturally he has been forced into admitting it could have been created by man.

How the CCP demonrats hated it when Trump said the virus came out of China. These commie scumbags lost their collective "minds". Hahhahahahahahaha. They followed the CCP/WHO guidelines saying travel restrictions were not warranted.  They parroted the guidelines WHO got from China that the virus was not transmitted human to human. They ignored the fact that WHO CEO Tedros is an Ethiopian Marxist.

Then Fauci said don't wear masks. Piglozi says come to China Town its all safe. De Blous io said go to the theatre enjoy yourselves. Governor Cuomo of New York launched a court case to block President trump's executive order re Travel bans. One could go on and on and on.

But the truth is coming out and morons like stinker sharktwit and rooitwit are now completely up the creek without a paddle. Just like they were on the 2016 election and of course the Russian hoax. They have been exposed as bumbling, drooling loons. Bwahahahhahahahahahahaha

How well did this age?

Yes, VrotKop

And if those couple of reports about the lab workers getting sick didn't surface...you'd not have the logical sense to put two and two together yourself.

Which is exactly the problem.

Nobody said it was for sure from a lab.

But how certain members of the scientific, political and news media community have rubbished the lab hypothesis was entirely unscientific in approach. Likely harmful to the counter pandemic efforts too.

To pivot now, and claim that this is the scientific way when two seconds ago the same people were acting completely contrary to the scientific method...is a cowardly, shallow and ultimately stupid cop-out that only the dumbest will fall for and the even dumber, like you, will parrot.

It was clear, from the very start the there was a good chance it came from a lab but the lefty community were biased about it from the start because, heaven forbid, they might agree with Trump. China have still not allowed access to the safety logs and other relevant data in respect of a thorough investigation and yet people, like you, just couldn't wait to scream tinfoil hat. Why? Because you're emotionally immature and can't resist the base level of superiority you feel when you claim others are tinfoil hat wearers. 

In fact, I've pointed out a summary of facts that support the lab leak hypothesis to you constantly over the last six months. 

So how can I have been closer to the truth than you...so long before you?

Could it be because I'm not as biased or as blinkered as you are?

Well it must be, because else it's just down to me being smarter and I know that you won't accept that explanation.

haha you plank.