US to Putin: Make Peace or Face US Troops in Ukraine

Oh shut-up you bore.......correct your typo.

"My wife’s father spent 3 years in a German Concentration camp. "

What was he? The kamp kommandant or just one of the guards?

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Posted by: Mozart (44554 posts)

Mar 29, 2025, 18:35

A South African lad captured first by the Italians who then escaped. He was recaptured taking two bullets, by a German patrol and spent three years in deprivation.

Once again you and the scum who liked your comment show you have no class.

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It was an insensitive joke, but not that bad... 3 likes nogal...Denny, Bob and Rooi?

As a matter of fact I hadn't even read the post until now that you've mentioned it.

But anyway....if you say so.

Stav and the clan want to believe that there is a better outcome possible for Ukraine.

We'd all like for there to be a better outcome but only some of us are realists.

The problem for Stav's crew is that they chucked all their weight behind their emotions. Especially Denise...because hormones.

Unfortunately, reality doesn't care about your emotions or expectations.

You guys backed the wrong strategy. A strategy that saw defence contractors make bazillions and Ukraine ending in a far worse position than they could have been in.

So, just own it and stop trying to save face.

Oh now look what the cat dragged in.....the Suck-up Buttplug.

Turn the lights out guys.

I don't believe for a moment that Putin was ever interested in a peace deal, he's ego won't allow for it and nothing short of wiping Zelensky and Ukraine would satisfy him.

Absolutely Putin was never interested in a peace deal. That's been clear all along. Putin's justifications for the war were bullshit, the Russian terms at the Istanbul negotiations were in effect surrender terms being placed on Ukraine and he's never at any point once dropped his maximalist demands and goals for this war.

Recent events have also embolden him. His whole theory of victory is that this was a war of endurance and will power and that the west was weak, that it didn't have the stomach for the fight and would abandon Ukraine and he's been proven partially right.

He's gone from a position where at best his armies could maybe take the whole of the Donbass in Ukraine after sustaining hundreds of thousands of more causalities over many more months to now maybe being able to take more Ukrainian territory than that due to Ukrainian loosing its single biggest military aid provider and achieving an absolutely massive geo political victory in splitting the NATO alliance with America's defacto withdrawal from it.

The only thing he hasn't factored in is Europe's response. He assumed that without American military backing the Europeans would just accept whatever deal he agreed with Trump on Ukraine as a fait accompli. But Europe appears to have woken up to the danger. Now Europe may end up floundering in its response (though so far its actions have been mostly positive), or Putin may end up with armed juggernaut on his border in a few years that absolutely outmatches the Russian's in every aspect of warfare.

Trump dislikes Zelensky and the only interest he has in a peace deal is to get his hands on Ukraine's rare earth minerals.

Under Trump's peace deal Ukraine would end up with nothing.

Oh yeah Trump hates Zelensky, but his initial reason for pushing for peace in Ukraine while he wasn't President and on the campaign trail was nothing to do with the minerals deal, it was simply a political weapon to attack Biden with. Zelenksy was the one who actually proposed the minerals deal in the first place to Biden who rejected it. But its believed Zelensky never anticipated Biden agreeing too it, he came up with the idea specifically with Trump in mind in case Trump won back the Presidency. Knowing Trump's mercantile nature he saw it as way of giving Trump a financial incentive to keep assisting Ukraine. What Zelensky got wrong is he thought he could get some sort of mutually beneficial agreement with Trump, he didn't anticipate Trump to be so predatory.

Putin even at this stage shows no interest in making any concessions and/or to act with sincerity. He's kinda saying it's you who wants peace not me but I'll have it on my terms.....meaning Ukraine is left shackled, stripped of weapons and economically ruined.

Yeah, I don't believe we are anywhere close to genuine long lasting ceasefire. Putin simply has no interest in it, he still believes he can get more than he already has and with Trump in the White House he's got the wind at his back. Nevertheless he might opt for a temporary ceasefire. A lot of analysts reckon the Russian forces in Ukraine could badly do with some sort of ceasefire that allows them to reorganize and rebuild their strength unmolested.

Your calculus is things will be sufficiently better for the Ukraine at some point in future, to justify the continued physical destruction of their country and the deaths of young soldiers and civilians. I don’t believe that, especially without American support. This may be the last chance to achieve a peace without a surrender. Time will tell.

The calculus is a fairer negotiated settlement could be reached after the Russian's had exhausted themselves and concluded that the costs of continuing the war out weighed the benefits, forcing them to drop some of their demands. Russia does not have infinite resources, it can't just keep taking hundreds of thousands of causalities to capture a few small towns and fields.

Zelensky is on a hiding to nothing, his only hope is continued American support and there's a chance that might happen once Trump has decided that Putin is not going to let go of the land that holds Ukraine's rare earth.

There is a limit to how long Putin can play his game when he runs out of time Trump will have to decide to step in military or ask Nato to step in.

Trump isn't going provide any significant aid to Ukraine or ask NATO to step in. He's effectively taking the American's out of NATO. At best Trump might just walk away like he did in the negotiations with North Korea.

Stav and the clan want to believe that there is a better outcome possible for Ukraine.

We'd all like for there to be a better outcome but only some of us are realists.

The problem for Stav's crew is that they chucked all their weight behind their emotions. Especially Denise...because hormones.

Unfortunately, reality doesn't care about your emotions or expectations.

You guys backed the wrong strategy. A strategy that saw defence contractors make bazillions and Ukraine ending in a far worse position than they could have been in.

So, just own it and stop trying to save face.

LOL, Plum the conspiracy nut talking about realism.

As I've said before, I didn't back Biden's strategy, I would of preferred far more military aid been given to Ukraine and far more quickly with the express goal of enabling Ukraine not just to survive but to actually win and push the Russian's out of Ukraine proper.

Having said that, the previous strategy under Biden at least give Russia no clear path to victory and is miles better than the current shite Trump is serving us up on a plate.

Those of us who have half a brain never wanted Trump anywhere this conflict, as we feared he could well try to sell out the Ukrainian's have been totally vindicated . Trump would of prevented the war?...yeah its pretty clear by now Ukraine would no doubt be almost entirely under Russian control had he been President back in 2022.

Plum is desperately hoping the Ukrainian lines collapse so he come on here and tell us all how right he was. Probably delighted that Trump's action make that more likely. Gotta own the libs.

The calculus is a fairer negotiated settlement could be reached after the Russian's had exhausted themselves and concluded that the costs of continuing the war out weighed the benefits, forcing them to drop some of their demands. Russia does not have infinite resources, it can't just keep taking hundreds of thousands of causalities to capture a few small towns and fields

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And you are willing to bet hundreds of thousands of lives on Russia running out of resources faster than Ukraine.

Plum is desperately hoping the Ukrainian lines collapse so he come on here and tell us all how right he was.

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That tells us more about you, nothing about Plum, a disgraceful comment. You should apologize.

Hysteria your willingness to leave a heading up there which is totally incorrect, as a result of your posting one of your Woke sources 6 weeks after it was originally posted ….demonstrates you are such a weak character, not having to admit you are wrong is more important than your integrity.

And you have the gall to lecture other posters about their their’s.

And you are willing to bet hundreds of thousands of lives on Russia running out of resources faster than Ukraine.

It's not my bet to make, its Ukraine's decision. Having said that I do think there is several good reasons to believe Ukraine can hang in there until Russia's economy implodes and its Soviet equipment stockpiles run out, which we are probably around a year to a year and half away from. I don't think it will cost Ukraine hundreds of thousands of lives from this moment in time, but tens of thousands of lives and possibly 100,000+ causalities and more territory lost although not substantially more than the 0.6% they lost this year. I'd be certain they can get there with both US and European support, I'm less certain they can do so with just European support (it will certainly be more costly)

But so far I don't see what other choice Ukraine has. The present terms the Russian's are demanding are tantamount to surrender and the end of the Ukrainian state.

That tells us more about you, nothing about Plum, a disgraceful comment. You should apologize.

LOL. No.

You don’t think if Putin had any fear of his economy or his military imploding, he would be more receptive to current negotiations? Every indication he is giving is negotiating from strength. That may be a tactic, but it may also be the true.

The demands are there to be negotiated. If Putin is unreasonable the US will be far more inclined to continue supporting Ukraine. Trump can flip in an instant, Putin knows this. The weight of US support behind negotiations is a big factor.

And he is also seeing a shift in Russian support for the war:

‘However, overall, 45% of Russians said that it is necessary to move on to peace talks, while 43% support continuing the military operation. But, 76% of Russians would support Vladimir Putin’s decision to sign a peace agreement if it were adopted tomorrow. Such is Putin’s acceptability in the country.’

In both countries there is a majority wanting a settlement. But this is war, emotions run high and opinion shifts with today’s news.

It’s a moment to try for a settlement. There is a lot to be gained and potentially a lot to be lost if this continues, particularly for Ukraine.

The demands are there to be negotiated.

Moffie, you just don't get it.....here, the above from Slav...take your time, read slowly, allow it to sink in.

But so far I don't see what other choice Ukraine has. The present terms the Russian's are demanding are tantamount to surrender and the end of the Ukrainian state.

That from your great experience as a negotiator Hysteria….ROFL!

You don’t think if Putin had any fear of his economy or his military imploding, he would be more receptive to current negotiations? Every indication he is giving is negotiating from strength. That may be a tactic, but it may also be the true.

Tell me if you were one of the negotiating parties, wouldn't you try to give the appearance that you were negotiating from strength.

The funny thing is Trump has a much stronger hand than Putin does, but he refuses to use it, where are the threats to arm Ukraine to the hilt if Russian doesn't comply or to go after Russian's shadow tanker fleet?

Instead he has given concession after concession away to Russia and got nothing back from them in return.

The demands are there to be negotiated. If Putin is unreasonable the US will be far more inclined to continue supporting Ukraine. Trump can flip in an instant, Putin knows this. The weight of US support behind negotiations is a big factor.

Putin is already being unreasonable. Despite some news today that Trump is apparently angry with Putin, I still don't believe Trump will flip and go all in on supporting Ukraine. His previous threat a few weeks back about putting additional banking and trading restrictions on Russia were just hot air, a transparent attempt at trying to appear to be more balanced. There is a small chance Trump could flip but I think he's just too enamored with Putin for that to happen.

However, overall, 45% of Russians said that it is necessary to move on to peace talks, while 43% support continuing the military operation. But, 76% of Russians would support Vladimir Putin’s decision to sign a peace agreement if it were adopted tomorrow. Such is Putin’s acceptability in the country.’

In both countries there is a majority wanting a settlement. But this is war, emotions run high and opinion shifts with today’s news.

What the Russian people want doesn't matter. It's what Putin wants that decides Russia's course of action. The people of Russia are too afraid to oppose Putin. What has to happen is for the Russian people have to reach the point where they conclude that the cost of inaction and compliance becomes greater than the cost of action. The collapse of the Russian economy while they are bogged down in war that they have appear to have little prospect of winning might just trigger that.

It’s a moment to try for a settlement. There is a lot to be gained and potentially a lot to be lost if this continues, particularly for Ukraine.

The Ukrainian people might want a settlement, Zelensky might want a settlement, Trump might want a settlement, and the Russian people might want a a settlement, but Putin doesn't want a settlement. He wants to either take all of Ukraine or agree to a "settlement" that allows him to take all of Ukraine down the road.

The Ukrainian people might want a settlement, Zelensky might want a settlement, Trump might want a settlement, and the Russian people might want a a settlement, but Putin doesn't want a settlement. He wants to either take all of Ukraine or agree to a "settlement" that allows him to take all of Ukraine down the road.

Yes, well said, my point all along, Putin wants to finish what he started and that is as I've said, he wants to wipe Zelensky and Ukraine off the face of the earth. It will fulfill the God like image that he has of himself as well as impressing itself on the Russian people.

Trump had this wrong from the start, his ongoing manta 'I get on well with him' was interpreted as a sign of weakness by Putin and as I've also said all along, Putin was sizing up Trump as to whether he would support Ukraine. Played him like a fiddle and got sucked in bigtime.

He wanted a short war, USA support and level of support for Ukraine would bedevil his plans.

Trump wants the rare earth minerals it is the only thing keeping his interest, Putin won't agree to handing the land back to Ukraine.....the negotiations are stalling, Trump needs to change course and stand firm.

Saying he's angry with Putin is a good start.

So you know what Putin is thinking….we should have you negotiating this deal Hysteria. Brilliant, you have the whole thing sussed out.

The above commwnra by Stav, Denny and SB is not based on any proven facts - other than Hatred of Trump because you all three believed the lies of the media who for their own hate Trump - more importantly he would destroy them because they are misleading the public because most of them get massive help from the D emcorats and thier owers from not being fact-checked, Let me go on an state clearly that your media is part and parcek of massive corruption networks operted by the US Federal Govenment.

There was plenty of reason why the Democrats started plans to undermine the Government, Knowing what the Democrats did in 2017 when they lied about collusion between Trump and Putin - which in the end was proven that the FBI and CIA were vehicles used to spread the lies - Trump knew that the Federal Public Service was corrupt and the Justice Depatment and FBI played a massive role in spreading the lies - aswellas the fact that Trump wiud rovide leadeship that ould stop the coruption in Government they found a way to try and get rid of TRump hrough fake court cases with no real proof of any crimes he committed, In the end the voters did not believe the BS and even Biden admitted in a ase of a lucid interval that the plan to get rid of Trump misfired and was due to Justice Depatmnt delaying the planned program of the Democrats.

So what has been at present - encouragement of a civil war in the USA stared off as using terrorism tos tart it, Whatsoever Trump try to solve he critical financial mismanagement of the USA Federal Government every effprt is made to prevet for instance peaceful sttelement of the Ukraine War/ Suddenly the edia know exactly what is happening during the engotiation process and the site members claim they know what is going to ahppen iro the negotiations and that Trump and Putin is pkotting to betray the interests of the Ukraine Government.

The site members knows nothing about the negotiations and believe the war should go on - the more wars there are the more opportunities for corruption kick in,

So we have got the case - the media got hatred of Trump so deeply instilled in the minds of the brainwashed idiots that everything he is attempted to do in the world is to be condemned immediately without any real thought about what is really better for the world, .

Negotiating from strength.

Now there's a novel concept.

Trump is a baddie for not negotiating from strength now, when Ukraine and the Biden regime refused to negotiate from much more strength before this all kicked off.

Whats the name for something far worse than a double standard.

Oh, that's right, it's called TDS.

Trump is a baddie for not negotiating from strength now, when Ukraine and the Biden regime refused to negotiate from much more strength before this all kicked off.

Trump is the baddie because he appears to be set on giving into Russian demands and pressuring Ukraine into signing a bad deal.

There is nothing Ukraine or Biden could of done to prevent this war other than either surrender to Russia and allow the take over of the country or Biden threatening Russia that the US and NATO would come to Ukraine's defense directly. But of course you know neither the US or other NATO countries wanted to do that and you be on here screaming about the reckless warmonger Biden.

You can criticize Biden for his over cautious escalation management approach, the slow walking of aid, the slow rate of decision making and the lack of a clearly defined end game for the war. But at least his strategy blocked off a Russian path to victory.

Trumps starting point actually gave him some additional advantage over Biden's starting part with this conflict. Comparatively speaking the Russian's are in a vastly weaker position now before the war began, and the strength of power between the two combatants is much more equal, while near three years of war has taken its toll on the Russian economy.

Instead we get Trump offering up concession after concession to the Russian's, applying pressure on Ukraine, while also destroying the unified front the west had up till this point.

Oh, that's right, it's called TDS.

Right on queue. How very original.

Plum

What baffles me is that the Trump haters is ignoring to things in dealing with the issue of world stability, When Kissinger in 1976 becaame Secretary of S tate he announced a new policy to prevent an alliance between China and Russia. He clearly stated that happens the world will be ruled by a Communist Regime.

That policy was taken forward by Reagan and he went firth er ans started negotiations with the Russians and Chinese, In 1984 a Nuclear Armaments Treaty was signed with Russia under Gorbachov and his successor Bush Senior in 1990 in dealing with he uniting of West and East Germany an undertaking that the independence of all Warsghaw coutries will be granted - but the USA will ensure that NATO would not expand and that the idea was that Russia should get allied to the USA and NATO. The present BSters claimed heir was no such deal signed - but it was in fact signed and a copy was found in the Reagan Library in California

In 1997 Cliton was trying to break eh deal and realizing the implications of breach of the deal his Defense Secretary threatened to resign if that deal was broken. So Clinton - corrupt as hell - gave up on the issue, When Bush Junior became President he started two wars knoen for limitless corruption - namely in Afghanistan as a result of the Al Qaeda attacks on 11 September 2001 - aftre being warned that precision air and missile attacks could be used to punish the Taliban and that was in Afgahnistan is unwinable, While the Afghan War was ongoing wih no chance of the USA winning it - Bush decided on attacking Iraq as well, For the latter he used a liar in Chief - the later Special Council on two occassions Mueller to lie to Congress about Iraq having weapons of mass destruction,

So onto 2004 and 2007 the undertaking of Bush senior was broken and most of central Europe ex-communist countries became NATO members, Putin did object to the breach - but did nothing about it since the countries ebcame democracies and was at that stage not a threat to Russia. In 2007 Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia - with substantial Russian speaking citizens also objected - but did nothing about it since the said three countries had democratic consititutions protecting the human rights of all citizens living in the three countries and repression of peple in thise three countries did not happen. Then came the Georgia issue in 2011 hen the country - totally unstable politicially with constant regime chages and no constitutiona at all applie for membership fo NATO and Putin said if that happens it means war, Before anything further action could be considered another uprising in Georgia let to anther reguime change and the Georgia applicatio to join NATO fell flat,

So come along Ukraine, In 1991 the establishment of Ukraine was estbalished based on a new constitution with human rights being protected - it was very important in Ukaine's ccase since circa 30% of the residents of Ukraine were ussian speaking people. In 2013 an election was held in Ukraine and that had consequences the USA did not like. A Russia speaking person was elected as President wit the majority support from Eastern and Central Ukraine. One of the promises of the new Government was that Ukraine would apply for EU membership - soething very difficult to get approval of - especially complicated because Ukraine was regarded as the most corrupt country in Europe. The joining of Ukraine of the EU was delayed indefinitey to ensure Ukraine implemet basic requirements of the EU in regard to financial management. In a effort to overcome some problem the new President signed a temporary deal with Russia - something he Ukrainians in Western Ukraine was against,

Some protests arted in September 2014 against thet development and the US Government under Obama saw an opportunity to meddle in the Internal political situation in Ukraine, Their agent in that case was Head of he CIA - Brennan - who visited Kieve four times taking money with him to fund the protests. Another problem ws theire was a Bandera Asscoiation made up of eople who hated the Russian. Bandera was allied to the Nazi Germans and he organised troop formations in Ukraine to fight gainst the Russians and on te side of Nazi-Germany. Bandera during the War Bandera lived in a Nazi concentration camp in Poland. More than 800 000 Poles. Jews and Ukrainians were killed by the Germans and Ukrainians in that camp. When the Germans swithdrew from Russia Bandera ent with them and lived in Munich until 1956 under US Army protection. The Polish Govenment asked the USA to deliver Bandera to them because of crimes against humanity - but the USA refused the request. The muxdeous abstard was murdered in 1956 in Munchen by a cmmunist agent.

In 2007 a new rganization called the Bandera Asociation was frmed by Russian-hating UKrainians and the Association was part and parcel of the USA regime chage agenda in 2014 - there also was a private arm called he Asov Brigade that was invovled in the protests and when the Brigade members started shotinga t he Police - the elected president foresaw a blodbath and resigned as President and went to Russia. His Deputys tayed on an tried tostop the development of a Civil War in Ukraine by vetoing an instruction to ba all Russians-speaking from using their home languagei Ukriane.

In 2014 it was clear that a new cabinet be appointed and the issue was left to Biden to rganie and deal with Ukraine issues. So Biden used members of the Bander Associatio as the new Cabinet for Ukraine base entirely on their ahtred of all things Russian and in the process the 1991 Constitution of UKRAINE ews dtroyed and the USA installed Government started .to get assistace running into billions in Ukraine,

As a result a Civil Wa broke out in Eastern Ukraine as Russian-speaking people distrusted otally the new US-installed Government in Ukraine. In the case of Crimea .the USA had their eyes on the Black sea base of teh Russian Navy in Sevastopol, The Crimea had a special status in ems of the 1991 Ukraine Conmstitution - there as a Crime Parlaiment with all finternal unctions being controlled by the Crimea Parlaiment. After the coup in Kiev and the appointment of new Cabinet in Ukraine, The Crimea Parliamen lost its status so fearing expansion of fhe Civil War in Eastern Ukraine the Crimea Parliament decided to hold a referendum to decide on teh future of the Crimea, The voters had to decide what should happen as to the future of the Crimea. With a population of 85% Rusian speaking people 10% Tartars and the rest other minority people, It was no surpise that 94,5% of the voters voted for the Crimea to become Part of the Russdian Federation/

In 2015 France and Germany organized a conference in Minsk to decide on how to stop the Civil War in Eastern Ukraine. The Minsk agreement was signed in which the followeing eisions was taken -

1. that Ukaine will return to be a Democracy by compiling a new Constitution for Ukraine.gurranteeinga return to Democracy and guranteeing the human rights of all citizens;
2. the 2015 borders of Ukraine will be recognized -which effetively excluded the Crimea to remain part of Ukraine.

After the agreement was signed the matter was referred to the UN Security Concil who confrmed the treaty unanimously - but the Obama Administratio made sure the agreement was never implemented and increased funding of the Kiev Government flowed in why the Bandera -retated Cabinet pressed ahead with their hatred of all things Russian - and the Asov Brigade murdered thousnds of people in Mariopol and Odessa. A a result th Bigade was reistered by the UN as a mercenary and terrorist organization. After that teh Asov Brigade becme part

In 2019 Zelenskyy in his election campaign [promised to end the Ukraine C ivil War - but he soon found out that he had no say in the matter and authortity on that decision was to deal with issues only with approval of the UDS Govnemtn,

I WIII FINISH THIS A BIT LATER . . . . . , . .

Please don't.

So you know what Putin is thinking

Yes to some extent I do, but so does BB, Rooinek, Stav, Sharkbok and a few others.....excepting in your case you have to wait on Trump and that Murdoch rag before you echo an opinion.

Please don't.

Hell no, don't!!!!!

Listen Stav I like your rugby imputs - but on this issue you are tolally ignotant what hapepned and what shit you are writing. Please provide details of how the negotiations is poceeded and stop writing abouit things you know fuck-all about. All you do now is to hate Trump because he opposed ultra-left BS that you believe in totally.

Trump said there are solid reasons why Biden wants a peace settlement - while you believe that little corrupt shit Zelenskyy - who are speading BS all the way as if he rules the world and only his opinion count. There is a simple question - why do you want to protect Zelenskyy - why the people of Ukrainne count for nothing.

Do you really think Trump is not keeping Macron and Starmer aware about what is happening and any of their imputs are ignored.

My advice to you is grow up and start thinking for yourself and stop believing the propaganda shit you spread on site. The same advice applies to Denny, BB and Rooinek the idiot. .

Poor Mike, so far down the rabbit hole.

Sure Hysteria, you are really with it….so current, that when you saw the headline of this string in your Woke rag, you never realized it was a discredited story from 6 weeks ago.

There’s pathetic and then there’s Hysteria. ROFL!

Satv

I may be in a rathole - but you are ina snakepit with equal poison in your mind to beat all snske When last have posta nything factual on site based on real evidence?.

So erm umm Moffie, I'm expecting a Trump like pivot on Putin......dressed up in sleez.

Well that’s like a Wantwit prediction, the smart money is betting on the opposite.

Actually, your idea of betting on the smart money....is hindsight.

Hindsight......how can you ever be wrong.

Now go-on....have the last say you childish and immature fop.

There sis so much BS under his thread is really totally bizarre, The funny prt is that Stavaner said his eyess and ears tell him what is going on iro the negotiations - but one wonders whether he has direct access to what is invoved i teh eneotiaions ad what he ehars and from whom and wh at he sees because he obviously is not in Ukraine and get real inputs from Ukrainians and one wonders hether he actually as dorect access to what is disciussed in Jedda,

So Putin tries a stunt he believed Trump would fall for. He said there can be no ceasefire because nobody can Trust the ultra-corrupt Zelenskyy. The latter was in full control of the Bidens and trid the same stunt with Trum - whos ed him packing, Putin thought that was enough for Trump to get rid of Zelenskyy - but Trump in public repremanded Putin and said that was not part of

There sis so much BS under his thread is really totally bizarre, The funny prt is that Stavaner said his eyess and ears tell him what is going on iro the negotiations - but one wonders whether he has direct access to what is invoved i teh eneotiaions ad what he ehars and from whom and wh at he sees because he obviously is not in Ukraine and get real inputs from Ukrainians and one wonders hether he actually as dorect access to what is disciussed in Jedda,

So Putin tries a stunt he believed Trump would fall for. He said there can be no ceasefire because nobody can Trust the ultra-corrupt Zelenskyy. The latter was in full control of the Bidens and trid the same stunt with Trum - whos ed him packing, Putin thought that was enough for Trump to get rid of Zelenskyy - but Trump in public repremanded Putin and said that was not part of

There sis so much BS under his thread is really totally bizarre, The funny prt is that Stavaner said his eyess and ears tell him what is going on iro the negotiations - but one wonders whether he has direct access to what is invoved i teh eneotiaions ad what he ehars and from whom and wh at he sees because he obviously is not in Ukraine and get real inputs from Ukrainians and one wonders hether he actually as dorect access to what is disciussed in Jedda,

So Putin tries a stunt he believed Trump would fall for. He said there can be no ceasefire because nobody can Trust the ultra-corrupt Zelenskyy. The latter was in full control of the Bidens and trid the same stunt with Trum - whos ed him packing, Putin thought that was enough for Trump to get rid of Zelenskyy - but Trump in public reprimanded Putin and said that was not part of the telephone discussion,

W verybody with evena brdbrain knows that Zelenskyy cannot eb trusted on anything and in t he end he will be gone - but that si the repsonibility of the Ukraine voters,

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Shitory alert!

Dense, I’ll use your master’s rather apt name for you, go on using up the household budget on the horses and leave the educated to play the options market,

Stav: Poor Mike, so far down the rabbit hole.

Mike: I may be in a rathole...

Always some nugget of gold in these strings.

Classic

Dense Moffie, I’ll use your nemesis Rooinek’s, rather apt name for you