Was Biden blackmailed by the Ukrainians to undermine peace negotiations and support Ukraine in the War

Recent investigations indicate that Biden:-

*     while Vice-President started 25 shell companies with no activities other than to handle money paid iro the bribes being use to route money to the Bidens.     The money was then routed from the bank accounts of the companies to  members of the Bden family.   Payments came from a number of countries around the world and then laundered from the company accounts to the Biden family;

*     had two telephonic discussions the one dealing with the appointment of Hunter on the Board of Burisma and the second one dealing with and leading to the firing of the Ukraine Prosecutor investigating Burisma corruption fired  for which he was paid $5 million - what Biden did not know was that the owner of Burisma had the calls recorded and that Hunter Biden had 15 similar calls with the Burisma owner - also recorded.

*     the banks informed the FBI  about the payments going to the companies and that i may entail money-laundering and they did nothing about it.

A copy of the report on the corruption was handed to Senator Grassley.   He gave a copy of the investigation report to  the Chairman to the House investigating  Committee and the latter demanded that the original report be handed to him.   Wray from the FBI refused to hand over the report - but when he was threatened to be charged  with undermining Congress he handed the report to the Committee.

The question now arises about Biden being blackmailed  by the Ukrainians to sabotage peace negotiations before and even during the early stage of the war to settle the Ukraine problems peacefully an then start sending billions - both in arms aid and in cash - to Ukraine.    At this stage there is demands that Biden should resign forthwith and that he be charged criminally for bribery and corruption.

The fact is CNN and other leftist news outlets is banning the latest info from being published so our site members would know nothing of the latest developments.    

No….in February last year Ukraine was trying their best to stop the US from making any bellicose statements, because the last thing they wanted was a Russian invasion. Make sense?

Everything is going to plan. Hundreds of thousands of people are dead, and cities have been razed to the ground. 

It all makes sense. Ukraine planned this all along.

No one can actually be this stupid. DumbMike, Beeno and the other halfwits know deep down what they are saying is a lie.

 They don't like to face reality, so they instead choose to live in their own fictional world that they make up as they go along.   

No Mozart

You are not up to date on that one.   Macron went to Moscow to try and prevent the invasion by Russia about 14 days before the invasion started.    It was basically agreed that the Minsk agreement of 2015 would be implemented.    Biden made a speech in the USA undermining that agreement by saying the aim of a war in Ukraine would be to get rid of Putin as President of Russia.   

Turkey tried to stop the invasion and it resulted in Russia withdrawing the army threatening Kiev - which happened.  The talks went on until the Ukraine representatives were instructed from Washington not to participate in any further negotiations on the issue.    

The SA Minister of Foreign Affairs (Mrs Pandor)  told Blinken when he came to SA  get SA support for the US actions in Ukraine told him to his face that the US did not negotiate in good faith to prevent and stopped the War once started and she sent him packing.   She is one of the very few ANC politicians who is not corrupt themselves and I am inclined to believe her.  

Most African, South American and Asian countries share the view that the USA uses the war as a proxy war against Russia.   So you are wrong about the conduct of the US Government in this regard.      The Biden Administration made the statement undermining the Macron and Turkish negotiations so try again.    The Ukraine Government is as corrupt as the USA Government - so none of the two is trustworthy.  

S B

You stupid idiotic imbecile the war was orchestrated and funded in billions by the USA.    the warmongering is ongoing.   

I gave details about the  25 shell companies and the laundering  of money from overseas businesses through the companies of money paid by people from all over the world for "services" rendered - the companies had no other function bar to transfer received money to the Biden family.    The last fact is based on statements from the banks handling the money transfers 

By the way the Ukraine Prosecutor investigating Burisma paid Biden $5 million for forcing the Ukraine Government to fire him by threatening to withhold a $1 billion financial assistance grant by the USA Government.     He then made some claims that he acted on the request of other EU member countries - utter BS.    The Ukraine is mot the factor in this case - the USA is - so do not try to get around fa cts by BS.    

I did not even read the Beeno items - I did my own research and what came out is UGLY inm capital letters.  Happy Brainwashed Idiots Day to you.    

S B

You stupid idiotic imbecile the war was orchestrated and funded in billions by the USA.    the warmongering is ongoing.   

I gave details about the  25 shell companies and the laundering  of money from overseas businesses through the companies of money paid by people from all over the world for "services" rendered - the companies had no other function bar to transfer received money to the Biden family.    The last fact is based on statements from the banks handling the money transfers 

By the way the Ukraine Prosecutor investigating Burisma paid Biden $5 million for forcing the Ukraine Government to fire him by threatening to withhold a $1 billion financial assistance grant by the USA Government.     He then made some claims that he acted on the request of other EU member countries - utter BS.    The Ukraine is mot the factor in this case - the USA is - so do not try to get around facts by BS.    

I did not even read the Beeno items - I did my own research and what came out is UGLY inm capital letters.  Happy Brainwashed Idiots Day to you.    

S B

You stupid idiotic imbecile the war was orchestrated and funded in billions by the USA.    the warmongering is ongoing.   

I gave details about the  25 shell companies and the laundering  of money from overseas businesses through the companies of money paid by people from all over the world for "services" rendered - the companies had no other function bar to transfer received money to the Biden family.    The last fact is based on statements from the banks handling the money transfers 

By the way the Ukraine Prosecutor investigating Burisma paid Biden $5 million for forcing the Ukraine Government to fire him by threatening to withhold a $1 billion financial assistance grant by the USA Government.     He then made some claims that he acted on the request of other EU member countries - utter BS.    The Ukraine is mot the factor in this case - the USA is - so do not try to get around fa cts by BS.    

I did not even read the Beeno items - I did my own research and what came out is UGLY inm capital letters.  Happy Brainwashed Idiots Day to you.    

2022

• 17 January – Russian troops begin arriving in Russia's ally Belarus, ostensibly "for military exercises".[5]
• 19 January – the US gives Ukraine $200 million in security aid.[5]
• 19 January – Biden states in a press conference: "Russia will be held accountable if it invades. And it depends on what it does."
• 24 January – NATO puts troops on standby.[5]
• 25 January – Russian exercises involving 6,000 troops and 60 jets take place in Russia near Ukraine and Crimea.[5]

• 10 February – Russia and Belarus begin 10 days of military maneuvers.[5]
• 17 February – fighting escalates in separatist regions of eastern Ukraine.[5]
• 21 February – Vladimir Putin ordered Russian forces to enter the separatist republics in eastern Ukraine.[6] He also announced[7] Russian recognition of the two pro-Russian breakaway regions in eastern Ukraine (the Donetsk People's Republic and the Luhansk People's Republic).[8] 

I have searched the net with a custom range….Jan22 through the end of Feb22. There are no references to Biden making a speech saying the aim of a war in Ukraine was to get rid of Putin.

Please provide the link to that speech.

Mozart

Nothing about the Macron meeting in Moscow before the invasion and Biden's speech sabotaging that effort.   Nothing about the Turkish effort to end the invasion.  That is what I refer to - not a diary of troop movements.    

You were right at least about one thing.   Ukraine sent 60 000 troops to Eastern Ukraine to attack the rebels in Eastern Ukraine and started bombarding the area.    Russia then moved about 3,5 million women and children to safe areas in Russia.   You said nothing about the 60 000 Ukraine troops sent to Eastern Ukraine though - but you mentoned the intensifying of the civi l war that started in 2014.

Hear the speech on Fox News during the first 14 days of February 2022..  It was part of the an article referring to the embarrassment faced by Macron in Moscow and he left the country immediately.  

I am not happy to hear you are happy with the corrupt conduct of Biden as outlined above.        

I have never been happy with Biden, but I don’t think he said anything about Putin being gone in early 22. Provide evidence that he said this. Frankly I think he didn’t and your blather is all about US wanting this war, which is pitiful nonsense.

I am very sure about what I heard and saw on Fox news before the Russian attack sabotaging the Macron meeting n Moscow with Putin in a desperate attempt to prevent the invasion.     I am sure you can find the speech I refer to.   He said the coming war is aimed at remvoal of Putin as Presiden t of Russia.   

I am also certain about the lecture Mrs  Pandor gave Blinken on the way the USA  undermined peace efforts and the general feeling is that the USA is using Ukraine to fight a proxy war against Russia.   

In the BRICS Countries the Governments are convinced the USA wanted this war - as Senator G Graham said also "any war is a good war"   Sure - it is a special asset for corrupt US politicians and  bureaucrats.          

I am very sure about what I heard and saw on Fox news before the Russian attack sabotaging the Macron meeting n Moscow with Putin in a desperate attempt to prevent the invasion.     I am sure you can find the speech I refer to.   He said the coming war is amed at remoal f Putin as Presidet of Russia.   

I am also certain about the lecture Mrs  Pandor gave Blinken on the way the USA  undermined peace efforts and the general feeling is that the USA is using Ukraine to fight a roxy war against Rusia.   

In the BRICS Countries the Governments are convinced the USA wanted this war - as Senator G Graham sad also "any war is a good war"   Su re - it is a special asset for corrupt US politicians and  bureaucrats.          

DumbMike thinks he watched it on Fox News... then shat out his interpretation of what they said.

I don't know if Ukraine blackmailed Biden but certainly they would have the goods on the scumbag. To me its been the US stopping Zelensky's willingness early on to negotiate. They planned for this war and they wanted this war.

 I have seen many times that the toppling of Putin was one of the goals as was the breaking up of Russia. Not being under Globalist rule was big problem for the Globalist ruled West. They coveted Russia's enormous natural wealth. 

Poor old Mozzzzquito still imagines the war started when Russian troops crossed the border. He willfully ignores all that went before which has been detailed repeatedly. and show very clearly the US led NATO instigated this war. You cant ignore those FACTS.

Besides having heaps of shares in Black Rock and Big Pharma doubtless this seedy old deceiver Mozzzzquito has shares in the firms comprising the Military industrial Complex. Long live the war says ou Mozzzquioto. TO THE LAST UKRANIAN IS HIS MANTRA. SLAVA UKRAINE HE ENCOURAGES.

I saw and heard what Biden said - and Fox News dealt with the embarrassment suffered by Macron in having to leave Moscow due to the Biden speech.,   No interpretation - just a factual report on what I saw and heard and the impact it had on the Macron's meeting in Moscow.     

Turkey tried to negotiate a ceasefire and one of the immediate steps  was for Russia  to withdrew the Russian troops threatening Kiev.    There was progress in the negotiated and Russia withdrew their forces threatening Kiev.   Then out of the blue telephonic instruction was given to the Ukraine negotiator to stop meeting with the Turks and the Russians.  Turkey clearly referred to the telephonic instruction from Washington to the Ukraine representative to withdraw from further meetings with the Turks as a reason for the collapse of the negotiations.

It is puzzling why the USA promotes the war - but you and Mozart should study the website of the WEF - maybe you would find an answer there.       

This was a totally optional war. Nobody was going to attack Russia….Putin attacked Ukraine for his own reasons, fear of invasion was not one of them.

SB

Are you kind of nuts?   I never used Russia I news as a source.   I told you where the article was ab out the Biden Speech where he said the aim o the coming war was to get rid of Putin as the President of Russia.    I saw the video of the speech of Biden on Fox News and read the article - Macron was in Moscow negotiating  with Putin to prevent the invasion.   The talks were making progress on the basis of the Minsk agreement of 2015.   That is when the Biden speech destroyed his initiative.   He left Russia the day after the speech was made and there was no further talks involving Macron.   

The Turkish mission to arrange a ceasefire was mentioned in most media outlets and failed when the Ukraine representative received a phone call from Washington instructing hm not to attend further meetings with the Turkish representative.   The Turks blamed that Washington phone call for failure of the mission in the official report of the Turkish initiative .   FACT Not involving anybody or anything from Russia.

I am not lying - neither are you.  Your idiocy is based on being told by the media what you may or may not think - so you do not think at all.   You just accept  the media and expcially te scum amongst them.            

Turkey tried to stop the invasion and it resulted in Russia withdrawing the army threatening Kiev - which happened.

Hold up Mike, you posted before that Russian only went into area's with large ethnic Russian populations to protect them and denied that Russia ever attacked Kyiv. 

How can the Russian's have withdrawn from Kyiv if they never attacked it? 

Are you forgetting your own bullshit at this point?

Good observation Stav.

I recall DumbMike pushing that narrative- i.e. the Russian Army did not try to take Kyiv. 
Now he is saying they did. 

Mozart

Sure it was an a totally optional war that could have been prevented.   The Civil War in Eastern Ukraine  started in 2014 and was never ceased.    The residents of Eastern Ukraine are overwhelmingly Russians even though they are Ukraine citizens.   They were under attack by the Russians since 2021 when attacks by the Ukraine army increased rapidly.    And he fact is that Ukraine sent 60 000 men to overwhelm the resistance of the East Ukrainians,   

Since 2019 the oppression of Russian speaking  people in Ukraine became severe and dangerous.   They banned people from speaking Russian in public - they arrested the Russian speaking members of the Ukraine Parliament - they forbid teaching of Russian in schools - they  and in the end they wanted total control of Ukraine - they banned the Ukraine Orthodox Church from functioning.   The Ukraine Government was a real threat to the Ru ssian speaking people living in Ukraine.      

If Biden made a speech saying Putin had to be replaced prior to the Ukranian war, it would have been reported in many newspapers. Find it and post it….or admit you are just making it up.

Also can you post up a link to where Biden boasted about blowing up Nordsteam?

Try Jimmy Dore videos - he showed the video as well as quoting the Biden speeeh clip.  Incidentally Dore is an extreme liberal who hates the constant dishonesty of the Democrats,   

As to the great statement of yours about politicians in the USA not being  can you please conform whether that is still applicable after the latest Biden disclosures on his 25 companies and foreigners wanting favors from Biden paid money into - which is then paid to various members of the Biden family?     The banks confirmed the payments from the company accounts  to the Biden family as being really suspicious since the companies are not involved in any real business activities and only used for money transfer purposes - in other words the companies only use is money laundering.  

The FBI knew about the situation in 2020 and did nothing about it since.   When caught with their pants down they claimed they have send the documentation to on of their field officers for investigation and decided not to act on it - which is obviously BS.    When that did not work - they claimed they sent the documentation to an obscure Delaware DA  that is supposed to investigate potential tax evasion  by Hunter Biden.    He has thus far not taken any legal action about that issue two years after it came out that he is involved in an investigation.    In any event I do not think he is investigating anything related to money laundering activities.    The same excuse the FBI is using as to the investigation  of the Hunter Biden laptop iro which 52 CIA officials and ex-officials claim was Russian Disinformation.    That was proved to be BS as well.   It has subsequently   came out that the laptop is authent ic and the main objective and action of the FBI and the Democrats were to go to the media and internet platforms urging them not to allow discussion or give media coverage to the Laptop issue.   The FBI had the laptop for four years now and had done nothing about any investigation.                               

Try Jimmy Dore videos

Do you honestly expect people to to trawl through hundreds of his videos. Link to the actual video.

If such a statement was made every newspaper in the world would have reported it…..reproduce one article.  It’s not my responsibility to verify your nonsense… it’s your’s.

OK  Mozart

I want to ask you one question?    Did Macron  go to Moscow to negotiate the prevention of the invasion of  Ukraine by Russia within 14 days before the start of the war in an effort to prevent the invasion.    Look at the following  clip about the negotiations in Moscow and Kief on what happened during those meetings:-

 Macron says Russia, Ukraine both committed to Minsk accords | Reuters   

So what happened after those two meteings to change the situation?    I could not find t he speech o Biden I referred to - but t he following  article outlined what Biden all along  was up to in his speeches and statements:-

How JFK would pursue peace in Ukraine | Daily Star (thedailystar.net)

Mention is made in the above article of Biden's attitude to the Ukraine War  and confirm it that Biden wanted the war - while Macron for instance did not want the war.    I stand by my statement that Biden said that the aim of the coing  ar was to weaken Russia and get rid of Putin as President of Russia.   

Biden met Putin in 2021 and went on about Russian cyber attacks on the USA.   Putin agreed  with Biden about that and asked him for proof that Russia was involved on an organized basis and Biden could not provide any proof of Russian  Government involvement in such cyber attacks.   Apparently according to the Biden Administration the attacks came from a farm outside of St Petersburg where there was a base for cyber experts to undermine cyber programs.   The western media went there and found nothing to confirm the Biden Administration allegations.   Anyway Biden came out of the meeting embarrassed   since he is a hopeless  negotiator.   S since then he never met Putin and never spoke to him on the telephone.   One thing is clear on which I agree with Fox News - Biden is a complete idiot and leaders of other countries play ping pong with him.   He is the weakest President the USA ever had and his policies written out for him by Gates (Global Warming) and Soros (Law and Order) as well as destruction of National Borders (WEF)  are faithfully implemented by the Biden Administration and became a national disaster.    He has handed control of US health services to the WHO.    Basically Biden is a shit corrupt President who apparently believe that a proxy war anywhere would draw attention away from his disastrous domestic policies. 

Live with the bastard - he could easily start WW3 in instructed so by the WEF.   

Back to the Turkey ceasefire negotiations:-

 Turkey says Russia and Ukraine nearing agreement on 'critical' issues | Reuters 

It was after that statement that the Ukraine Minister involved got a telephonic instruction not to meet with the Turks and Russians on a ceasefire.    

The Chief warmonger in Ukraine is the Biden Whitehouse  - whether you like it or not.   it is absolutely clear from what is written above.  in the media articles quoted.    

So squirm as much as you like Biden is the cause of world instability at present encountered.  Turkey - with the second biggest army in NATO - is applying for membership of BRICS and so did a score of other Nations that used to be allies of the USA.   The only thing I wonder about is what would happen to Turkey's NATO membership if they Join BRICS.    The above is the result of Biden and his idiotic and corrupt administration.

Let me get back to his posting of mine,    It was a discussion by Jesse Watters Monday on Fox News about the corruption of the Bidens where he referred to the Ukraine War and asked a real question as to whether Biden is not blackmailed by Ukraine to spret billions in helping  the Ukraine war effort.    I asked a similar question as the one of Jesse Watters and what Ukraine has on the scumbag Biden and the NDC it is basically a reasonable question.                                              

So the article on Turkey doesn’t even mention the USA specifically, let alone Biden

The article from the Daily Star of Bangladesh was published last Saturday. It vaguely mentions Biden wanting to diminish Putin but there are no quotes, and certainly no allegation that Biden started the war to get rid of Putin. It’s a cringeworthy attempt to push Kennedy.

The article on Macron never once suggests anybody wanted to get rid of Putin.

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What the second article does do is provide a link to Russian military build up on the borders. The real signal that war was in the plan.

Mozart 

I am enjoying your squirming trying to get rid of the BS you came up with to defend Biden.   Th fact is that you now tried to get out of the Biden BS on weakening Russia and getting rid of Putin.   I found the above reports was published by Reuters - so now it is a SriLanka paper you refer to.   What happened between the statement made by Macron after meeting  with both Putin and Zelenskyy - ie 8 February 2022 and the date of the invasion.   What happened was the embarrassing statement on the object of the Biden proxy war agmda to weaken Russia and get rid of Putin as the leader of Russia,    That was the key.  

The Statement of the Turkish foreign Minister heading the ceasefire negotiations mentioned progress as well - so why was the initiative destroyed.   In a later statement t came out that the Ukraine Minister involved was instructed by Washington not to continue the negotiations.

In both  instances there was progress in dealing with the issues concerned and in both cases the USA undermined  the negotiations.     Live with it - Biden has destabilized the world situation and the USA is losing a long list of previous allies that now wants nothing to do with the Biden maladministration.    That is the root of the problem and the fact is not going to secure peace in the world, neither is it going to ensure the global leadership role which under previous Presidents were accepted as a norm.    The USA is losing that leadership role rapidly.   

I asked a simple question about Turkey and NATO  membership.    Turkey has a very strong and well-trained army     If that a rmy leave NATO will it weaken NATO?    It obviously will even though  you obviously believe it is not an issue.    But it is other countries as well  who are loosening their relationship with the USA.   

The USA media was on the attack of the previous President of Brazil as an ultra-rightist - the media support the winner and what did he do - he became a firm ally of China.    The case of Venezuela is another example - Biden refused to allow Venezuela people looking for asylumn into the USA despite the open border policy.     How does people living in Latin states in South and Central America feel about that one.   Even Californians who fled from California regard Acapulco safer to live in than San Franscisco and Los Angeles despite the Mexican Cartels.

The USA is going downhill rapidly under Biden and that is the fact you ignore.   Opinion Polls indicate the majority of Americans think the same and see a bleak future for the USA,                     

You can throw in the kitchen sink as well Clever….but still not a simple quote from any source proving Biden made a speech saying Putin needs to be replaced. Because he didn’t. I think Biden has failed on many dimensions, but nothing he said justified Putin destroying a country.

We all know Biden said Putin should be replaced. 

Biden himself should have been replaced long time ago. Thing is this American politics is so corrupt they'll just put another puppet up there. 

    FBI as corrupt as the ANC....?

Lot's of smoke...where's the fire?

Also can you post up a link to where Biden boasted about blowing up Nordsteam?

Probably a mash up between

the official US opposition to the Nordstream project

and

the declaration by the Biden administration that the US knew how to stop the Nordstream

It would be very surprising that a liberal government, considering who is involved, dare to boast about an action of this kind, especially in the case they committed it.

Nothing more than a distortion (classical move by liberals) of a situation that is not that good as it exhibits that the US had a mobile and an intent to act.

We all know Biden said Putin should be replaced.

After the invasion, not before. The chronology seemed to be the focal point here.

Not that it changed many things as Putin has been an annoyance for the liberal world for decades and liberals would have wanted to get him replaced way before Russia invaded Ukraine.

Similar to Erdogan's case: the liberal world would like him to be gone (one way or another, including as a result of a coup)

Yet no liberal country will confess the desire.

Joe Biden's confession happened after the invasion. And it seems the core of the quarrel (as liberals do not debate, they quarrel over things)

Nobody was going to attack Russia…

Of course not. Just like the siege of a castle is not an attack on the castle itself.

Historically, besieging armies seldom tried to assault a stronghold. They focused on controlling the perimeter around the stronghold in order to dictate surrender terms to the population living in the stronghold.

At a point in time, Romans even specialized in outer periphery fortifications in order to prevent a relief army from intervening. The besieging army had few to no fortifications between them and the strong while all defensive positions were built on the outside perimeter. Roman armies lived on plundering. No focus on defending from the stronghold's army, all focus on defending from armies from elsewhere.

So yes, no attack planned on Russia. Only their siege. Same as for China.

Biden did it and he was the reason why  both the Macron and Turkish initiatives died.   The speech and a video clip was in F ox News a week before the invasion started.   You defend him as if your life depends on it.   Is the scumbag corrupt?   You defense of  Biden is amazing and you should be ashamed to be in the company of his defenders. 

He lies all the time.   He bragged on a video about getting  rid of the Ukraine Prosecutor who had the offices and home of the owner searched,   After the search the owner phoned Obama who referred him to Biden.     According to that report it is now alleged Biden was paid $5 million for that  service to Burisma.   It is also on his insistence that Burisma appointed Hunter Biden to its Board.    Apparently the two phone calls was recorded and the woman have the receipts of all payments made to the Biden crime family.   But like the idiot-speaekrs on site Fox News is a lying news provider and you apparently think the same.

Apparently  Jimmy Dore is an elimination list issued by the Ukraine Government and guess who funded that list?   The CIA did it and Dore is not the only American on the list.    

This Biden comes across as a innocent smooth talking President... underneath there's definitely a huge stench.