Was the Pope Murdered?

"You really come across as a miserable git that envy people that have found happiness."

Read that sentence back a few times...

See if you can connect the dots ;)

Guess I must be a Saffa then, lack the smarts to realise I have spent 3 years in Asia not knowing I was miserable. Who would have thunk it.

ChatGPT responds to Draad:

Prompt: "Do you agree with this: [Draad's post]

Response:

While the desire for order and moral clarity is deeply human and understandable, it's important to recognize that morality and meaning do not require a predefined cosmic order or external force to exist. In fact, many philosophers and scientists argue that values like right and wrong can emerge naturally from human experiences, empathy, and social cooperation.

The assumption that a world without an imposed order leads to chaos overlooks how humans have developed moral frameworks independently across cultures—often without relying on the same divine or universal principles. These frameworks evolve through dialogue, mutual understanding, and shared goals, not necessarily from a single, fixed source of "Good" or "Evil."

Equating chaos with evil and order with good is also overly simplistic. Too much order—such as authoritarianism—can suppress freedom and creativity, while a certain level of unpredictability (or "chaos") allows for innovation, adaptation, and diversity of thought.

As for the idea that life or order can't arise from chaos without a "Force," science actually suggests the opposite. Complex systems—from snowflakes to ecosystems to consciousness—emerge from simple rules and interactions. Evolution by natural selection is a powerful, non-random process that brings about incredible complexity from very basic beginnings. It’s not nonsensical—it’s one of the most rigorously tested theories we have.

In short, we don’t need a top-down imposed meaning for life or morality to exist. Meaning can be created, shared, and refined from the bottom up, through relationships, community, and reason.

"Guess I must be a Saffa then, lack the smarts to realise I have spent 3 years in Asia not knowing I was miserable. Who would have thunk it."

You didn't read that sentence back to yourself enough times.

You claim that I can't stand that others have found happiness, when you don't seem to be able to stand that others have found spiritual fulfilment and direction.

...else, why the childish comments with not attempt at actual discussion.

"As for the idea that life or order can't arise from chaos without a "Force," science actually suggests the opposite. Complex systems—from snowflakes to ecosystems to consciousness—emerge from simple rules and interactions. Evolution by natural selection is a powerful, non-random process that brings about incredible complexity from very basic beginnings. It’s not nonsensical—it’s one of the most rigorously tested theories we have."

The cosmological constant = 0.0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000011

If that 11 was a 12 the universe collapses in on itself too quickly and if its a 10 then life can form because everything flies apart far too quickly.

Whether you're religious or not, that's an insane factoid.

Te fct is hee peopele on site hating everything bar what they beleive in and then used lies to justify their ttack on religion has been talking ttal B S like SB did.

I beleive that eveybody ahs the right to freedom to believe in things and spea about it si free to do whateve they hink -- but to tr and attack people they differ from what they eblieve in is wht is typical of what the Woke Culture is invovled in oppressingpeople that differ frm them.

Th en to use hsitorical distortion to justify their BS is basically wrong. The Easern Roman empire stayed in existence until 1452 and ahd a marked effect on the using of the greek and Roman systems by he western countries The Geeks got thei developent from the Egyptians centuries before, The first cuktural and historic civilizations were the Chinese and the Indians - followed by the Sumerians ollowed by the Egyptians. That while he Greeks and Romans were still uncivilized. What they inherited from the earlier civiizations was about 500BC started refining waht tey learned from the earlier civilizations was developed by the Greeks and taen over by the Romans and all Greek religions was sed by the Romans. go back to for isnmatnce e Egyptian pimids cosntructedtwo thousand years beo rome was even founded by the children raied by a fox. But the real early civilizations preceeded what the West as was developed and sffered in Western Eurpe a set bac thatalsted fro the fall of Rome in 472 and what was left of Roman cuture and know;edge was transferred to Constantinople after he fall of rom and in due course Justinian was for a while the emporer of both the Eastrn and Western empire in the 7t century, Ude rhim waht was left of Roman history and culure was ransferred to Cnstantinople tday Isanbu. From ere itfinds it way to Western Europe and tok hold under the French King Charemagne ho in 800 becme Holy Roan Empire that lasted until l806. It as that Empire and hat was provided from Constantinople that as what led to eh Renaissance in Western Europe.

So SB go and study history and you will find that he Roman system died in Rome because of econmic and cultural collapse and the so-called Dark Ages was confined o Western Europe and that hell hole called England today, It only started developng under Alfred the Great King of Wessex who introduced education in what bfore was ucivilzed BS. He saved the Anglo-Saxon frm livn in teh Dark Ages and hsi childrena and Grandson becam he first King of a civilized country called England. Alfred used what he Eastern Roman Empire provided as the absis or modernization of England from being savages into a cuntry where law and order cunted and where eh helped the people to becoewelther and more loyal to their rulers. In oer wods like in Western Europe in Western Europe rom being savages was not caused by the Westen Roman empire as a result of invasions by Gemanic and rm cntl Asia like Atilla the Hun and the Bulgars as well as the Mongols. For its present civilization te Roman Empire preseved in Cnstantnople and from that spread to Western Europe and ed to hat ecame the Western Civiization.

But now the Western Civilzation is collapsing for teh same reason earlier civilizatons cllapsed and that is teh destruction of morals by shit spread like you do.

. . .

@DumbMike, you did not address any of the points I raised, where I have argued that the Ancient Greeks/Romans have had more impact than Christianity.

All you have provided is some illiterate, nonsensical response, and the claim that people who do not believe in religion are animals.

Ou Maaik's grasp on history is one if the funniest features of this board.

Based on the admittedly small amount of Shitoric I understand, he's got Charlemagne ruling the Holy "Roan" (sic) Empire up until the year 1806 and the "Geeks" (sic) stealing all their ideas from the Egyptians.

Lol, Snark running to a robot for support...I over simplified, yes, I don't want to waste time on infertile soil.

Well, I have something rather esoteric to share...

Say two people are going for a job interview. Lets assume that they are both the same person with identical CVs, and answer every question exactly the same way. But...

For the first guy to get to the interview he simply woke up, on a lovely sunny morning, walked a short distance, just three minutes from his front door, and arrived for the interview.

The second guy walked 20kms, had no money for accommodation and so slept on a park bench in the rain, all to get to the interview.

Assume that they both presented identically to the interviewer. IE the park bench guy wasn't dishevelled or gaunt or anything haha.

I believe that the second guy is more likely to get the job. It's illogical, and I have no way to defend it, but I think there is something out there that rewards the expression of will.

And I seem to have found it to be the case in my life. Like the more will I put into something, the more likely it is to succeed, even though the output might not exactly be better or more impressive than what somebody else has done.

I suppose its got less to do with religion and more to do with ones expression of will somehow shaping your reality.

Go on, Rooi...there is plenty of ammo for you.

It's Karma...similar to the laws of physics...elke hond kry sy dag...

Snark, in which God did Einstein end up believing in?...Spinoza's?...before that he was an Atheist, but science convinced him he was wrong...so he refused to believe in a personal God...he went for the easy cop out...he could be wrong about that too...

The Bible story is also too simplistic, it only covers some of the basics, but is not at all the complete Truth, but it's the essence of what's needed to start the journey...Spinoza's god personified...forget about the Bible...look within yourself, listen to your "conscience" and you will find it for yourself...the Terminator almost grasped it in T2, maybe someday so will you.

".else, why the childish comments with not attempt at actual discussion"

Am I supposed to take your claims that you know what I am feeling or what I feel about my life seriously? If you want a serious discussion stop making false claims about things you know nothing about.

I can only take it you are jealous of my life and it is fucking you off. Bitter little man syndrome I expect (see I can make any old claim about you and I know fuck all about you (nor do I really want to))

Sader, I can assure you, I'm very far from envying you.

What I do know is that people that get pissed regularly are generally not that pleased with what they see in the mirror. Especially not if they're retired and well past it.

Only you'll know if you're the exception to the rule.

...but tell us again how Sunday school is for losers. I swear, we've not heard it a million times before.

See you are making assumptions again, did I say I was pissed off about anything?

Gee 61 is well passed it now, just out of interest well passed it for what?

Come on I need a detailed list now so I know what I have to stop doing straight away.

You have to get over this envy of others Bud

Draad misquoting Einstein once again to try give credence to religion. ("Hey, not everyone that believes in God is dumb...)

This is a more accurate take:

Einstein did not believe in any personal or interventionist God, did not rule out the existence of some kind of God, and if there were a God, it would be the impersonal, all-encompassing God of Spinoza. Basically nature would be God.

Exactly Snark...and many are smarter than you...it's got nothing to do with intelligence...I know Atheists like to believe that it does, but it's not.

Pissed as in drunk, you soak.

Insomnia...

"Insomnia..."

The first rule of Fight Club is...

My drinking seems to have touched a nerve there Plumbum.

Let me do a Plumbum back at you. You obviously come from a family of angry drunks and lack the intellect to understand that some people can drink responsibly.

I am not here to judge you as I know a lot of people cannot handle their drinks but don't paint us all into the same corner as you.

I drink pretty much every 2nd night here but drinking does not mean I get shit faced every time I do. Obviously people like you with little will power that cannot handle a couple of drinks are better off abstaining.

I do drink, but very rarely.

It's boring.

Keep telling yourself that, Sader.

I'm sure you must look amazing hahaha

So you're sitting around with friends having a great time socializing and as soon as you pick up a glass of beer you go fuck it I am bored all of a sudden?

I think I can see your problem, try getting out of your mothers basement and have a couple of drinks with some actual people. Drinking alone in the dark would be very boring.

Lol I guess you are over the hill, so all you can really do is sit around, talk and drink.

And yes, drunk people bore me. I'd much rather have a conversation with a fully cognisant sober person about something they're an expert at.

I can't think of anything worse than hanging about with a bunch of expat booze rags in Thailand. Jesus, the cringe must be off the charts.

I could perhaps do it one night a year...max!

...but I'm glad you're enjoying it.

Lolllll!!! Some great trilling...Sader...I drink a few beers every day...nothing wrong with it...

Shhh Dradd do not point out the obvious he still hasn't cottoned on.

Mind you I am still waiting for the list of things I am over the hill for but not expecting an answer as he knows he fucked up and made a fool of himself (not for the first time and definitely not the last going by his history on here)

"Nothing wrong with it."

Why not, Draad? Because you do it every day?

How tall are you and what do you weigh?

Yes...there's that...

You need help... probably why you're awake.

My drinking seems to have touched a nerve there Plumbum.

ButtPlug is a substance abuse Pot smoker. He kicks off in the early hours of the morning then gets onto Ruckers with his soap box. It's not hard to Go Figure why he rambles.

Lol it was 23:00...

And today is a public holiday...

Denise, do ask any doctor about my routine and habits and they'll tell you they wish all their patients had a similar way of living.

Whatever I'm doing, it's working really well.

Not a single ache or pain, zero daily or even weekly medication, and I don't feel even slightly different to how I felt 20 years ago.

And if I keep going like this, it'll be the same story in 20 years.

...and not a single friend or acquaintance who drinks regularly is in even remotely the tier of health that I am in. How will they look in 20 years, if they're even still around.

It's no coincidence.

"Lol it was 23:00...

And today is a public holiday..."

He was talking to me, my post was at 2AM