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Which countries support Russia iro the Ukraine War.

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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
10 Mar 2023, 12:28
#41
10 Mar 2023, 12:28#41

How can neutral people who have no interest in war be dragged into your nationalist agenda?

Nationalist agenda?...I have no agenda. I support Ukraine's right to defend itself and its sovereignty, that is all.

Why don't you also drag then into the Nato war on the Kurds too,or don't you have a viewpoint there?

https://www.currentaffairs.org/2022/11/if-nato-opposes-aggression-why-does-it-support-turkish-crimes-against-the-kurds
What aboutism. As if you give a shit for the Kurds. Do I support Turkey's action towards the Kurds?...no I don't. Unfortunately we live in a non perfect world where countries sometimes have to choose between the lesser of two evils, like for example when the western allies choose to ally themselves with the Soviet Union to fight Nazi Germany.
 


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MoonroverPro1,973 posts
10 Mar 2023, 12:43
#42
10 Mar 2023, 12:43#42

So you assume I don't care for the Kurds yet I have mentioned them here before. I have always been interested in the Kurds and their struggle for autonomy. Now you just brush off NATO's aggression with mere words.... sorry mate, you are two faced. 


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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
10 Mar 2023, 15:26
#43
10 Mar 2023, 15:26#43
NATO aggression?
NATO as an organization is not attacking the Kurds, the Turks are acting independent of NATO in their actions. Now you could say NATO is complicit because it supplies Turkey with arms, but guess what so does Russia.
Now you can accuse NATO and the west of not caring about the Kurds or turning a blind eye to Turkeys action, but guess what so does Russia who are quite happy to co-operate with Turkey when it suits their interests.
So as you rail against hypocrisy I suggest you look in the mirror.



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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
10 Mar 2023, 15:38
#44
10 Mar 2023, 15:38#44

Because I had my hands in the cookie jar - does not mean I was stealing cookies.   Others do -  so we are fully entitled to do the same.   

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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
10 Mar 2023, 16:10
#45
10 Mar 2023, 16:10#45
Thank you for refuting Russia's position Mike.
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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
10 Mar 2023, 17:39
#46
10 Mar 2023, 17:39#46

"but if this goes on for another few years, how much of Ukraine will be left"

What difference does it make as it stands right now.....

To not see this war through.... would be a massive smack in the face of those thousands of Ukranian people who have already given their lives, fighting for their very existence and independence from Russia.

Giving that independence to Russia was never, and never can be, an option to end this war.... ever.

20% of something is better than 100% of nothing"


20% of nothing is nothing...do you really think they can prevail if this goes on for another 5 years?...or 2 like the Boer War?  BTW, this war has a lot of parallels with the AngloBoer war...What positives were there for the Boers when the war was over?

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
10 Mar 2023, 18:51
#47
10 Mar 2023, 18:51#47

Stav 

I do not like what Russia is doing in Ukraine at all.   That is why I always supported peace negotiations from the start.

I'll make no apologies for picking in a side in this conflict. I've heard the arguments steaming from both sides and I've found the Russian arguments to be almost entirely based on lies and their actions completely unjustified.
What lies of Russia did you not believe?   According to your comment over the past year you do not believe -
*   the existence of bio-labs in Ukraine supported by the USA  - that while under oath in the Senate admitted that the biolabs in fact exist and the US Government is worried if the Russians get their hands on the pathogens - was that a lie or not;
*   were there negotiations before the actual invasion where the agreement between President Macron and Putin restated that the Minsk agreement of 2015 needs to be implemented and President Biden publicly stated that the intention with war in Ukraine was to replace Putin as President of Russia - was that a lie as well;
*     Did the Minsk agreement not guarantee that Ukraine remained a free and independent country and its 2015 borders be guaranteed - but at the same time not join NATO  while getting a new Constitution to replace the 1991 Constitution that was not used after the 2014 coup organized and funded by the USA - was that a lie as well?
*     Did the Ukraine Government not arrest all the Russian-speaking members of the Ukraine Parliament and then not charged them with any offenses and the Government not ban usage of Russian in Ukraine schools while about a third of the population have Russian as their home language - was that a lie as well?
I want to ask you what is the interest of the USA in promoting the war in Ukraine.   Did the FTX debacle not bother you?    The USA voted to provide Ukraine with $1 billion Budgetary Support aid and two days later Pelosi and Schiff were  in Ukraine  and dealt with the handling of the new funds made available to Ukraine.    The end result was the money was transferred to FTX.   What happened with the Ukraine money nobody knows since FTX  went belly-up with the money vanished into thin air.   $70 million was donated by FTX to the Democratic Party in the USA - the rest went missing.   This is an example of corruption stemming directly from the War. 
 

   

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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
10 Mar 2023, 20:13
#48
10 Mar 2023, 20:13#48
What lies of Russia did you not believe?
That there was genocide in the Donbass.Bio-labs where used to conducted bio weapon research.That NATO was surrounding Russia.
Neo-Nazi's are running Ukraine.That the 2014 revolution was a coup orchestrated by the US.The Russian denials of war crimes.The Russian referendum results in the mostly or partially occupied oblasts.
Mike save you're breadth trying to rebutt these points because unless you have some evidence you can link to back what you have claimed I'm just going dismiss your posts as the utter rubbish that they are.


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MoonroverPro1,973 posts
10 Mar 2023, 21:53
#49
10 Mar 2023, 21:53#49

So Stav

Lets look at your mighty USA and their sick agenda.

During the Clinton administration the Iraqi Kurds were the good Kurds because they were persecuted by Iraq but up north the bad Kurds were annoying USA ally ,Turkey
The US sent Turkey huge amounts of weaponry-with US knowledge-to murder tens of thousands of Kurds and destroy thousands of villages.
This is your USA,which betrayed the Kurds.You support a sick regime.

Thry have betrayed the Kurds eight times but why care,since they have no oil or gas.

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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
10 Mar 2023, 22:09
#50
10 Mar 2023, 22:09#50

"Lets look at your mighty USA and their sick agenda."

Bendover, why don't you rather look at this almighty god of yours? Why doesn't he help the poor Kurds you're so worried about?

Is it because he's not as mighty as you think he is or is it because he just doesn't care enough?

It's one of the two.




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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
10 Mar 2023, 22:13
#51
10 Mar 2023, 22:13#51
Is what aboutism all you you have?

I'm European, so you when you say your mighty USA that's a load of rubbish . There has been many occasions where I've strongly disagreed with American actions. At the same time I don't mindlessly buy into this "America is bad" mindset, so can be mindlessly blamed for all the worlds problems.

The Russian apologists know the Russian justifications for this war are bullshit so all they can do is say hey because America has down shitty things in the past, Russia should be allowed to do shitty things now.

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MoonroverPro1,973 posts
10 Mar 2023, 23:13
#52
10 Mar 2023, 23:13#52

"why don't you rather look at this almighty god of yours? Why doesn't he help the poor Kurds you're so worried about?"

God doesn't exist for you so why you worried about my relationship with God?
Stick to your own miserable atheist existence.

Stav .....your USA and NATO is still doing shitty things to the Kurds.Funny how selective you people are.



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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
11 Mar 2023, 00:09
#53
11 Mar 2023, 00:09#53
So your argument is that the USA and NATO are bad, therefore its okay for Russia to be bad?
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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
11 Mar 2023, 07:40
#54
11 Mar 2023, 07:40#54
"God doesn't exist for you so why you worried about my relationship with God?"
Who said anything about your relationaship with your god, you self-important fool? Why would I worry about what you or your secret invisible friend say to each other?
Listen chump, given your propensity for butting into discussions with your sanctimoni ous bible-bashing, I asked a perfectly valid question . . . why doesn't your god help these Kurds you're so worried about? 
You haven't answered the question . . . because you can't.
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MoonroverPro1,973 posts
11 Mar 2023, 07:50
#55
11 Mar 2023, 07:50#55

"why doesn't your god help those Kurds you're so worried about?"

Your question is not valid since you're a miserable little atheist with a satanic agenda.

Psalm 22v27  All the ends of the earth shall remember and turn to the Lord,and all the families of the earth shall worship before you.

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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
11 Mar 2023, 09:01
#56
11 Mar 2023, 09:01#56

I see. Well, you know what? You've converted me. I'm no longer an atheist with a satanic agenda. I've seen the light, Hallelujah!

So, I wonder why our god doesn't help the poor Kurds? Any ideas?

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
11 Mar 2023, 13:54
#57
11 Mar 2023, 13:54#57

Welcome Rooi! Hallelujah!...glad to see youve got your finger on the pulse of everything religious... glad to have you! Hallelujah!!!

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SebPro2,680 posts
11 Mar 2023, 14:18
#58
11 Mar 2023, 14:18#58

There is none so blind as those that will not (and refuse) to see.

No Nazi's ....LOL

https://youtu.be/QwgHct3nXiY


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sharkbokCaptain23,201 posts
11 Mar 2023, 16:35
#59
11 Mar 2023, 16:35#59

"You can educate a fool, but you cannot make him think"

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MoonroverPro1,973 posts
11 Mar 2023, 17:02
#60
11 Mar 2023, 17:02#60

 Many of the Ukraine supporters here hate Putin more than Hitler,media controls them



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MoonroverPro1,973 posts
11 Mar 2023, 17:14
#61
11 Mar 2023, 17:14#61

Dup

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
11 Mar 2023, 18:54
#62
11 Mar 2023, 18:54#62

"Posted by: sharkbok (16163 posts)

Mar 11, 2023, 16:35

"You can educate a fool, but you cannot make him think"


LMAO!!! lost irony! Thanks Snark, great laugh!

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MoonroverPro1,973 posts
13 Mar 2023, 00:03
#63
13 Mar 2023, 00:03#63
Two thirds of the population  on earth supports Russia .

Also two thirds in space support Russia.


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sharkbokCaptain23,201 posts
13 Mar 2023, 00:10
#64
13 Mar 2023, 00:10#64
blobbok

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3567 posts

Mar 01, 2023, 21:26

143 countries condemned the invasion of Ukraine. 27 abstained & Syria Iran Belarus NKorea Cuba Nicaragua Venezuela support Russia,

sharkbok

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Mar 01, 2023, 22:24

Are DumbMike and Beeno stupid or liars? 

There are clearly 3 positions:

1. For         (Ukraine)
2. Neutral   (Ukraine/Russia)
3. Against   (Ukraine)

Being neutral, does not mean against Ukraine. 
Take a look at the countries against Ukraine. The who's who of mankind's degenerates.

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MoonroverPro1,973 posts
13 Mar 2023, 00:16
#65
13 Mar 2023, 00:16#65

Aye Sharky but you support a crap team

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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
13 Mar 2023, 00:18
#66
13 Mar 2023, 00:18#66

143 nations condemned invasion

27 abstained

6 or 7 despots supported Russia.

India & China amongst abstainers .............. abstaining doesn't mean 'supporting'.








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MoonroverPro1,973 posts
13 Mar 2023, 00:22
#67
13 Mar 2023, 00:22#67

Governments supporting doesn't mean the population supports either.

95 percent of the world Muslim population is anti American...go figure.

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sharkbokCaptain23,201 posts
13 Mar 2023, 00:37
#68
13 Mar 2023, 00:37#68

Dictionary

Definitions from Oxford Languages · Learn more

abstain

verb

1.

restrain oneself from doing or enjoying something.

2.

formally decline to vote either for or against a proposal or motion.

"forty-one voted with the Opposition, and some sixty more abstained"

Similar:

not vote

decline/refuse to vote


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MoonroverPro1,973 posts
13 Mar 2023, 00:41
#69
13 Mar 2023, 00:41#69

population:-he number or body of inhabitants in a place belonging to a specific social, cultural, socioeconomic, ethnic,

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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
13 Mar 2023, 00:41
#70
13 Mar 2023, 00:41#70

Governments supporting doesn't mean the population supports either.

Ffs.that's exactly what I said about India & China ........ meaning, you dom twat, your two thirds claim is bollocks.

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MoonroverPro1,973 posts
13 Mar 2023, 00:44
#71
13 Mar 2023, 00:44#71
Sorry you lose again......you're as useless as the Sharks
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sharkbokCaptain23,201 posts
13 Mar 2023, 00:50
#72
13 Mar 2023, 00:50#72

Who knows what the whole population thinks, or what the average is?
However, they either voted for their leader, or they were too weak and allowed themselves to be ruled.

The countries have either voted or abstained. Most voted for Ukraine. 
It is really just to degenerates that support Russia (E.g. North Korea, the Stan's)

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MoonroverPro1,973 posts
13 Mar 2023, 07:41
#73
13 Mar 2023, 07:41#73

The countries that have sanctioned Russia over Ukraine represent only 16% of the world's population.

I think the world shoud sanction those countries..... Europe, USA, Canada and Australia.

Japan is buying oil from Russia. Iran and India changing over to the Rupee in oil payment towards Russia.

Even in Europe there have been protests aganst weapon supplies to Ukraine but your Nazi NATO lumbers on. 

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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
13 Mar 2023, 09:13
#74
13 Mar 2023, 09:13#74

74% of Europeans support Ukraine

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
14 Mar 2023, 20:48
#75
14 Mar 2023, 20:48#75

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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
14 Mar 2023, 21:44
#76
14 Mar 2023, 21:44#76

Well at least we now know you aint a draadsitter.

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
15 Mar 2023, 04:54
#77
15 Mar 2023, 04:54#77

Ja Blob, I'm not on the fence, I'm against the war from the start  I put 80% of the blame on Russia and Putin,  but, I refuse to believe that in this day and age, they can do absolutely nothing to stop a terrible war that's costing 1000s of lives every day. Whatever has been done to stop the conflict isn't working...it's been more than a year, try something else...I refuse to believe that throwing more weapons into the cauldron is the answer.

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
15 Mar 2023, 08:13
#78
15 Mar 2023, 08:13#78

It doesn't help to live in a echo chamber, getting your already established beliefs reinforced all the time...that way change for the better will never happen...it's good for one to have your views challenged and to listen to the other side every once in a while...things are almost never as they seem...

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