Who's winning?

I take your word on what you say of Derek Keys but in truth I didn't know of him and sure he would have done a great job but I believe that the ANC needed a lot more than him to navigate a path to a better future for the country. As I've said the ANC were ill prepared and ill equipped from day one of winning the first  national elections. They needed a fresh new gameplan, new pragmatic strategies and a team with a workable economic culture. Mandela, a great leader was not that man, his job in galvanizing the oppressed to rid themselves of Apartheid had ended as it did for several of his comrades on Robbin Island and afar. 

Thabo Mbeki had some serious issues but he was a technocrat and was the best man under the circumstances to advance the nation. South African business people like the Oppenheimer's liked him and he could only have been a good thing because the Marxist Malema and Zuma conspired to get rid of him. They succeeded and under Zuma's reign from there onwards the country went into rapid decline. Let's remember that the country's economy was in the firm grip of the white man and I believe they'd have been better served working on things like better pay and conditions for black workers. That would have been a start to stymie black anxiety and then there's other things they could have implemented like much needed health care and education.

Not sure if I'm going to continue this debate but I want to assure you I appreciated talking to a white person who didn't come across as a typical arrogant and ignorant white South African who after all the years still speak and think exactly as they always have.

South Africa is complex and there is plenty of blame to go around…so any arrogance is probably misplaced.  Talking about it here is not the logical forum, but we are a good microcosm of the views that have shaped the country. So perhaps it’s not totally unproductive to talk here.

In my dreamworld a coalition between the ANC & DP which somehow curbs/lessens corruption, resolves the diabolical Eskom crisis & the myriad of problems haunting the nation.

Any coalition involving the EFF or Zuma's Zulus......................... catastrophic. Can you imagine Malema as a cabinet minister ? Foreign Affairs ?

Agreed blob, that would be devastating to SA

"I believe they'd have been better served working on things like better pay and conditions for black workers. That would have been a start to stymie black anxiety and then there's other things they could have implemented like much needed health care and education"

Finally, something we completely agree on.

It was disgusting and despicable for me to see how some white people treated black people back then, and still do even today...

A lot more could and should have been done for the black population, and there is absolutely no doubt about that, because to deny it would be delusional.

I just don't join the chorus of many today who say that the ANC  or any other black government could not have done more in 30 years because of X - Y - Z, because that is also delusional.

There won't be a coalition of the ANC and the DA. It will be the final nail in the coffin of the ANC if it does happen.

I just don't join the chorus of many today who say that the ANC  or any other black government could not have done more in 30 years because.....

100%

So perhaps it’s not totally unproductive to talk here.

I agree but it depends on who one chooses to talk to, I won't waste my time talking to a rednek who's filled with hate and prejudice.........what would be the point? 

Denny

The final nail in the ANC fall is going  to happen irrespective of which they agree to to form a Government.   They in fact have three chocies - those being an alliance with the ultra-corruptt EFF and some smaller parties with a similar dubious record - or the Zuma Party even more corrupt than the EFF.   

I think the ANC lostng the seats in Parliament bcause of endemic corruption and any aqlliance with the Zuma Party and the EFF would not improve the ANC corruption image,   What is also alarming is something the enwspapers try and explain away.   In anj opinion poll conduced involving Blacks 42% of them said they were worse oiff financxially under the ANC than they were under the National Party.   That was done about two years ago and in a way is not reflective of what is in the media say at present - namely that the older voters voted for the ANC - but I think a large percentage did not vote at all  and that cost the ANC dearly.

It is normal for people to stay out of voting when they are dissillutioned by the Governing Party and if things do not improve they are going to vote for the opposition.

In  any evet the SA opinion polls are remarkably accurate.    A year ago the polls indicated support or the ANC drpped to 42% according to those polls at th time.   In follow-up polls the support dropped to .39% and in later once to be  40% .   So in all respect the 42% poll amongs Black vters was also accurate.      

To close discussion o the election results here are the final results based on the election aoutcome allocated to the vartios parties involved:-

                                    2024 Election                      Present siuation     Gains/Losses  

ANC                          -        159                                -       248                          - 89

 DA                                       87                                -         84                          +  2

MK                                       58                                -            0                        +  58

EFF                                     34                                 -         44                         -   10

IFP                                       17                                           10                           +  7

Patriotic Alliance                    9                                             0                            +  9

VF Plus                                  6                                            10                           -   4  

Action SA                               6                                              0                           +   6

ACDP                                     3                                              4                            -   1

UDM                                       3                                              2                            +  1    

ATM                                        2                                             2                                -

Al Jama                                  2                                              1                             +  1

BOSA                                     2                                               0                            +  2

Rise                                        2                                               0                            +   2

CCC                                       2                                               0                             +   2

Good                                      2                                               1                              +   1 

CCC                                       2                                                0                             +   2

UAT                                        1                                                0                              *  1 

PAC                                       1                                                 0                              +  1                  

The PAC and Good  were usedas parties to siphon of votes from the Coloured communities away from the DA and was in a way quite sucessful   by having 11 votes in Parliament. as agains their present 1 vote.    However, the PA tried to get an alliance with th e DA in en effort t get votes from the ati ANC Coloured community.   What they would do in  Parliament is not at all certain.  

So now it seems that the ANC want to form a government of national unity, by collaborating with the DA, EFF, IFP and PA.....

Wow ....

Oh Dear......typical reaction from a bunch of clowns