Will Ukraine use Cluster Weapons to remove Minefields?

Cluster weapons are typically not used for the purpose of clearing minefields, as their primary function is to disperse multiple explosive submunitions over a wide area. However, in the context described, where a massive amount of cluster weapons is available, they could potentially be utilised to help break through the front line and create pathways for advancing forces.

Once the front line is breached, the superior tanks and weaponry possessed by Western countries could be employed to Ukraine's advantage. Western tanks are often equipped with advanced technology, protective measures, and firepower, which can provide a significant advantage on the battlefield. Combining the use of cluster weapons to clear obstacles and Western tanks for offensive manoeuvres could enhance Ukraine's military capabilities and increase its chances of success in the conflict.

The dud rate of the cluster weapons provided by the US is reported to be low, ranging from 3% to 5%.
This means that a relatively small percentage of the bomblets fail to explode upon impact. Compared to the actual mines left by Russia, which can remain active and pose a threat to civilians for years, the cluster weapons could be considered safer in terms of reducing the risk of unintended casualties.

Ah, Curb your enthusiasm ...................... my favourite US comedy show .

That is one of the most ridiculous statement SB ever came up with.     No real military expert would come up with that crazy type of comment.   If my auntie had balls she would have been my uncle.    The Super-weaponry the west provided by the West has so far had very little or no effect on the war in Ukraine.   

Every time a new weapon system was provided by the NATO countries to Ukraine SB claimed that new weaponry will win the war for Ukraine - yet there is no real evidence other than regular propaganda remarks constantly filling the press.       The F16 was a massive improvement on other fighter jets in the 1980's, but since then better fighter jets have been developed by Russia.   If they said they would provide stealth fighter jets that cannot be followed by radar it would have helped - but those are so secretive in design the USA will not expose their secrets in Ukraine.   The Russians may just shoot down one of the planes and the Russians and Chinese will have the secrets attached to those jets will be available to Russia and China..

I see the SAUDI's caused Turkey to allow 5 terrorists from the Asov Battalion - probably Saudi's -  to return from Turkey to the Ukraine.    The Asov Battalion is made up of reactionaries from all over the world and the 5 was likely Saudi's sent by Russia to Turkey after being captured by Russia in Mariopol,    The Russians said that Asov mercenaries will not be treated as prisoners of war - they were classed as mercenaries by the UN and is not being regarded as POW's - but as international terrorists - but what is behind  the move?  Is it a start by Turkey to buy some favor with Zelenskyy to start new negotiations  on peaceful settlement of the Ukraine war?   It may be that - but like in the case of the previous Turkish peace efforts it is likely for the USA to sabotage it again.   

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Russia and Ukraine have used cluster munitions against each other since 2014, when Russia annexed the Crimean Peninsula, according to Human Rights Watch. Both sides have continued to use cluster munitions since Russia first invaded Ukraine last year. Cluster munitions have caused hundreds of civilian deaths, including an April 2022 strike on a Ukrainian train station that killed at least 50 people and injured about 300 others. There are concerns that the use of cluster munitions during the conflict would add to the estimated 174,000 square kilometers of Ukrainian land covered by landmines, which some officials say could take at least ten years to remove, according to Reuters.

Liberals....

Efficiency rate of cluster bombs to remove mines from a land piece.

Sounds like looking for justification to use something they know shouldn't be...both sides...although there's some logic to the suggestion from this layman's perspective,

The fact is the USA and UK did not ratify the Convenssion  resolution pertaining to clusterbombs.    It bothers me that the percentage of bombs not exploding makes the whole area  unsafe  many deaths of civilians will be inevitable for generations to come.   However, it is evident that Biden and his  political friends should be held  

So the murders of civilians  in future long after the war ended will be a heavy price to pay.   

Russia has covered Ukraine in cluster weapons, with a much higher dud rate. 

US say the dud rate could be around 1%, and at least Ukraine will know where the bombs they use are located.

“We did not realize that Putin had spun himself into a historical mythology and was thinking in categories of a 1,000-year empire. You cannot deter someone like that with sanctions.”

THOMAS BAGGER, a senior German diplomat.

BS

Cluster bombs are not legally produced in the USA.  The fact is that cluster bombs is not based on 1% failure rate as required by law in the USA and the threat to civilians is not killing at direct impart - but leaving unexploding bombs lying  around for generations to come.  Officially the failure rate of US cluster bombs is between  3 and 5% based on detailed analysis by experts and the fact is that at least 2 experts claimed that dud bomblets makes up to between 30 and 50%,   

The cluster bomb story is another Lord Haw-Haw story spread by the USA .   Initially the military equipment provided by the USA are old design equipment dating back to the  1970's and 1980's and  collected from US military camps worldwide and he cluster-bombs ae in that category as well.    

Did the German Leopard tanks made such a huge impact  on  the war situation?   The dream of using cluster-bombs to clear minefields is total idiocy.   the statement based on media stories  - so is that Russian military equipment is inferior to the US and other countries equipment'   .    has not done what S B and other warmongers claim to be the case.    The statements of Biden and NATO on equipment provision are dubious.   Examples for example are - 

*    the German Leopard tanks have been provided - but it has not been the major successes BS and others claim it would be.   The Depleted Uranium bombs story failed to take off since it is in fact forbidden by the Geneva Convention and the story died shortly afterwards with no proof that delivery in fact took place at all; and

*    the war decider now is the cluster-bombs story.   Will it ever be delivered to Ukraine or is it just another dangerously inaccurate announcement by the US idiot President Biden.  

Biden must have been on a cocaine high when he made that announcement.    The cocaine discovery followed what has become normal in the USA,    Initial story was the cocaine was found in an area in the West wing of the White House viissted by thousands of toursists,then it was found in he library and finally outside the committee room used for meetings,   Admission to the WH west wing is so limited that even WH staff normally are not allowed into the area - they  have to have special permission to enter the area and if hey do they are accompanied by security staff members.    Incidentally the latest announcement of the Security Services component is that they are unlikely to find the person who took the cocaine into the West Wing area.     Another failure - but the opposition will use it in the 2024 election.   The only person with free access to eh West Wing as a family member is the known cocaine addict Hunter Biden.   

From the stories which started to circulate in the media when it comes to Biden's debacles I think the media is preparing for another candidate approved by the Ultra-rich controllers of he Democratic Party.as the DP candidate in the 2024 election.    may be Newsom - the California Governor causing the flight of corca 1 million people who fled from California over the decade from 2010 to 2019,    Loss 3 House seats is prove of the situation.    He would come with a lot of negative baggage though and unlike Biden before the 2020 election that he is a moderate Newsom is an extreme leftist.                                                                                

The use of these munitions by either side should be condemned in the strongest terms...how's Russia going to retaliate?

.how's Russia going to retaliate?

Same way its done for the entire course of the war, indiscriminately fire artillery and missiles at civilian targets, which it will continue to do regardless of the use of American supplied cluster bombs.

Ukraine has already used them. Turkey has already supplied them. The west doesn't have the stock of conventional artillery to send them, without them the Ukrainian's would would have no way of fighting back against Russian artillery in the future.

And no one would be using cluster bombers had Russia not invaded Ukraine.

.And no one would be using cluster bombers had Russia not invaded Ukraine.

..so it's fine then...gotcha.

Fight fire with fire

Ja Blob...I get it...I can't really put myself in Ukraine's shoes, but I really hope they don't provoke an even more insane response from the Russians...they're literally looking for an excuse to escalate things.

I don't ever see Ukraine giving in or giving up .... and who can blame them.

I hope they negotiate an end to this war as soon as possible, but if that happens, there will be very clear and unequivocal requirements from Ukraine.. and again, who can blame them.

After everything they have already lost throughout this war, I see no capitulation at all from Ukraine.... unless Putin is forced to come to the table.

I also don't see the West backing out of supporting Ukraine... they have all collectively invested too much already in this war, and nobody would want to give Putin the belief that he could ever do this again to another sovereign country, and get away with it.

Stav

The Russian invasion of Ukraine could have been avoided - but the USA Administration refused to support any peace negotiations by either Macron or Turkey and effectively sabotaged both.   they caused the 2014 coup financially and you deny it - they appointed a satellite Government in Ukraine depending entirely on US financial aid to Ukraine.    That happened under the Obama administration and  was continued under the Biden maladministration.

Now lets get back to Zelenskyy's election campaign in 2019.   You can read up his personal history in Wikipedia.   His whole campaign was based on peace negotiations with Russia and settling issues with Russia in Eastern Ukraine.   What made him change after he became President?   The USA had a history of corrupt activities in Ukraine by American Politicians - inclusive of Biden, Pelosi, Schiff and Shuman - so was that the reason for aggravation of  tensions in Ukraine after Biden became  President?

Biden is aa shit negotiator - he met Putin in Geneva in 2021 shortly after the inauguration of President Shit.   Biden accused Russia of cyber attacks because of  failure of systems in the USA.   Putin asked him a simple question?   Who and from where did the cyber atatcks took place?     The Americans claim it came from a farm near St Petersburg from where he attacks came.    The Russians then within a week organized a journalists from the West visit to the farm indicated by Biden and found NOTHING  that such a base ever existed on the farm.   They were then t aken to surrounding farms and found nothing as well.    So it was not involving Russia in the relevant cyber attack.    Fact is the Biden Administration is supershit and incompetence is rife - so the latter is probably the main source of the breakdowns of services in the USA.

I must admit - the stacking of unexploded clusterbombs is amazing - it showed a huge heap of unexploded cluster-bombs all put together by humans - super brave humans I must say because the handling of unexploded munition is extremely dangerous and can explode any time it is handled.     Congrats to bravery of men and woman involved in stacking the unexploded munition.    So is the photo real or concocted?     Please note that there are two methods used to stop explosions of bombs - the one is to try and safeguard the bombs from exploding or especially in the case of cluster-bombs to explode it on site where it is found since the damage caused in the case of individual bomblets is relatively minor - so they are exploded where they are found.      So decide for yourself whether stacking of unexploded cluster-bomblets are real or not.     

DA

The Minsk agreement settled the situation clearly - the settlement recognized the  2015 border of Ukraine and Ukraine signed the agreementallowing fro the 2015 border of Ukraine be recognized as a basis for a creation of a constitutional democracy.   That was signed by the Ukraine President at the time.   the second point was to develop a democratic constitution in Ukraine based on a federal system of Government in Ukraine.

That was never implemented by the Ukraine Government.

Fourteen days before the invasion Putin and Zelenskyy signed an agrement that confirm that the 2015 Minsk agreement would be implemented.    what happened in that 14 days were crucial.   The arrest of the Russian speaking members of the Ukraine Parliamevnt took place - which could be used as a reason for the breaching of the agreements already signed  by the Presidents mentioned - but the more likely difference was that the USA - like in the case of the Minsk agreement was again sabotaged by the corrupt us Administration.

Te fdactual situation is that as from 2014 the USA undermined the implementation of any potential agreement on peaceful settlement wile Obama and Biden were presidents and the USA would have seen the settlement implemented when Trump was President - but during that Presidency the situation was that the relevantly minor civil war in Ukraine continued.    

Why is the USA promoted war in Ukraine.   The answer is relatively simple.   Since Biden took over the Presidency in 2021 everything Biden touched turned to shit.   Inflation became a problem and petrol prices increased massively - the Government started to blame the war in Ukraine for the inflation in the USA -  BS because the inflationary tendency started and continued in the year between January 2021 and February 2022 - when the invasion took place.

There were empty shop shelves aplenty in the USA  in 2021 due entirely to breakdown in operations by the USA Government like the unloading of ships carrying imported food supplies and other consumer articles.   Law and order broke down and murder rates and car hijackings increased massively in the USA cities - making Chicago and St Orleans the most dangerous cities in the  America Continents.   

The Open Border policy of Biden was another disaster with the Mexican c artels used it for human trafficking and drug smuggling into the USA.   The fate of the roughly 250 000 children smuggled into the USA by the cartels - often of children who vanished through abduction - is unknown since they have been shipped to cities all over the USA - but according to the New York Times they became slave workers in American factories in cases they have invedstigasted,  There were also proof that the children was used as sex slaves  in the USA.    

The only option for the Biden Administration was to get a war going as a distraction somewhere in the world and in this case the answer was in the Ukraine.    The Ukraine War is rather different - the USA collected second hand armaments from USA military  camps and sent it to Ukraine - ordering replacement equipment to replace same from Armaments companies in the USA.   After the rather chaotic withdrawal under Biden from Afghanistan - a new war to keep the industry rolling was needed and the Ukraine War was he answer.    Any Defense Ficrce contracts o hand in hand with kickbacks to politicians and bureaucrats and it is clear that the new contracts are tainted as well.   The fact that Haliburton - one of the most corrupt companies in the USA - got a contract from the Pentagon - to operate from Poland is an example.   By the way Haliburtons main owner is Dick Cheyne - VP under Bush - and father of Miss Cheyne who became a close ally of Pelosi in the House and was then sent packing by the Republicans in Wyoming.

There is plenty of evidence that the USA promoted the war in Ukraine as a means to take the peoples attention away from the present problems in the USA.                                   

..so it's fine then...gotcha.

If it prevents Ukrainian soldiers being shelled to death without a way of defending themselves and if it prevents Ukraine from loosing more territory and it helps Ukraine drive the Russian's out of Ukraine then its permittable. One does get the impression you looking for an excuse to say Ukraine is just as bad as Russia. 

Ja Blob...I get it...I can't really put myself in Ukraine's shoes, but I really hope they don't provoke an even more insane response from the Russians...they're literally looking for an excuse to escalate things.

Ukraine has already used them against the Russians...and we are getting to the point that Russia has no means of escalating with conventional weapons, they are already using pretty much everything they have. If they do something like blow up the nuclear plant they will bring NATO into the war and that' would be the end of them and they know it.

Darn, Stav, I hope you're wrong, the war is too hot already.

Stav

How many Governments would survive in the EU countries for NATO to become invovled in the war?    The Dutch Government is the latest one to collapse and the German Government will be the next won to go.   Reason the Greens are the main supporter of the war in the Ukraine and their support in Germany according to opinion polls has disintegrated.    In Germany the second strongest supported Party became the AfD  after the CDU - who is controlled by their Bavarian Branch - the latter being very close to the Afd.    

Now back to your claim of Russian arms running low and they would use nuclear bombs to attack a nuclear Power Station.   I am glad you ae so well-informed about the Russian Arms industry being in chaos and not producing replacement armaments.   Are you sure of your facts on the issue or is it based on propaganda?    Please provide evidence on the relevant issue. 

Please provide evidence on the relevant issue. 

Jesus Christ...the irony.

"Please provide evidence on the relevant issue"

Hilarious coming from you Michael

Well said Mike. 

Biden says they are running out of munitions so the idea of sending Cluster Bombs arose. See if the clowns in the White House flollow through.

I think the Biden Regime knows the game is over. Ukraine has lost the war. Cluster Bombs won't help. Russian can send at least times more Cluster Bombs Ukraine way. Cluster Bombs don't effect tanks and Rusdia has something like 2, 000 tanks. Ukraine now have hardly any. 

I wonder if war mongerers like poor sharktwit, old Blobbrain and StavASS will turn on Ukraine for losing the war. 

What will be their excuse.  Anyhow their reputations as crazy bigoted loons will only grow. 

It's amazing to think they still hold out any hope for Ukraine. 

Russian artillery out number Ukraine by 10 to 1 or even more now. They have no shortage of ammunition, artillery, tanks, aircraft, dines or troops. They have some 750, 000 ready to go. Talk is Putin is mobilizing 2 million men and could mobilize millions more if necessary. 

But the US led NATO still wants a war to the last Ukrainian troop standing. As do our resident warmongers who are only too happy the Biden Regime scuppered the peace talks. 

Mike these lying Mamparas have no idea about the Minsk Accord. They ignore the fact that Angela Merkel said they used the Minsk Accord to buy time to build up the Ukrainian Army. 

Mike we are dealing with bigoted bone heads. The truth is not in them. Now they face the awful prospect of being shown to be totally wrong about everything relating to this war. 

Bwahahahahaha. The war is a deadly matter but these jackasses are deserving of complete riducule! 

Fight fire with fire

What a statement. Liberal way.

EU governments are under strain from immigration-

What a statement. Missing a qualifier to immigration.