Zelenskyy raises flag in Izium

Stav

So the Russian speaking population can be murdered at will by the Asov battalion of the Ukraine army because they speak the wring language?    There were virtually 5 000 such mrders since the Minsk agreement was signed.

Si why did Macron, Merkel, the Russian Government and the Ukraine Government signed the 2015 agreement?   Did Putin breached that agreement before the invasion?    No he did not - he asked the West - in fact pleaded with them - to ensure the agrement is being implemented and nothing happened,

Then another piece of utter BS.   Russia never threatened Lithiuania. Lavia and Estonia with invasion - but the said states never went on organized mrder capaigns on Russian speaking people living on the three countries,   So were did the threats against them come from?         

bottom line ... Russia are the aggressors ... they invaded Ukraine without reason ... they have murdered thousands of innocent civilians ... 

they have a history of oppression and bloodlust.

its good to see this supposed super power on the back foot.

So the Russian speaking population can be murdered at will by the Asov battalion of the Ukraine army because they speak the wring language?    There were virtually 5 000 such mrders since the Minsk agreement was signed.

More evidence free nonsense. Can to provide a link that supports that claim?

Si why did Macron, Merkel, the Russian Government and the Ukraine Government signed the 2015 agreement?

To end the fighting in the Donbass between Ukrainians and Russian backed separatist as well Russian armed forces who where actively taking part in the fighting.

 Did Putin breached that agreement before the invasion?    No he did not

Yes his side did breach the agreement. For example the separatists ran elections that contravened the Minsk agreement, something the West asked Putin to stop but he chose not too. The separatists also captured Donetsk International Airport after the Minsk agreement was signed. And you can be damn sure Russia's invasion of Ukraine was a breach of the agreement and of the agreement Russia signed years ago recognizing Ukraine's territorial borders.

he asked the West - in fact pleaded with them - to ensure the agrement is being implemented and nothing happened,

Russia had its own interpretation of the Minsk agreement. Yes the Ukrainians likely violated the agreement themselves at times but the idea that Mink Agreement collapsed solely or primarily because of Ukraine is just propaganda.

Then another piece of utter BS.   Russia never threatened Lithiuania. Lavia and Estonia with invasion - but the said states never went on organized mrder capaigns on Russian speaking people living on the three countries,   So were did the threats against them come from?

Mike you have an amazing ability to make shit up. Where did I say Russia threatens those three countries. Ukraine never went on an organized murder campaign of Russia speakers...that's just utter utter nonsense.

But the Baltic states do see Russia as a threat. The Baltic states have sizeable Russian speaking minorities and down through the year there have been on off reports of tensions between them and the non Russians speaking populations, some of those tensions have been stirred by Russian media. Many of the Russia speakers them get their news from Russian sources.

If Russia was successfully able to take Ukrainian territory under the ruse it was merely protecting Russian speakers in that territory it might be embolden to try the same tactic elsewhere.

In addition Russia has conducted c yber attacks against Estonia in the past. Putin has made statements in the past that he had problems with the fact that 25 million Russian speakers now lived outside Russia after the fall of the Soviet Union, implying he has an intention to do something about it. And then you have just Russia's behavior in general, like its invading Georgia and Ukraine.

All i know for sure is that the quicker the war ends the better.

And i don’t know if the actions being taken by either side is going achieve a fast resolution.

I still think that the longer this takes, the worse off Ukraine will be in the end. And that’s not what i want…or what anybody else wants.

I think everyone does want the war to end as soon as possible. But ultimately it will be down to what Ukraine and Russia are willing to accept.

You're probably right that there won't be a fast resolution and that's bad for all sides.

Right now Ukraine at large doesn't share your view and believe by fighting on they can achieve a more favorable outcome. Again only time will tell who's right.

Stav

What was in the Minsk agreement.   There was one aspect you missed out on and that was agreed on and that was the need for a new constitution for a democratic federal state with the majority population and wishes of the voters be obtained in that regard.     The 1991 constitution went out of the window after the coup of 2014 and there never was a replacement constitution in place.

You then refer to the elections held in the Dombas area under rebel control - but not the elections held in Ukraine in areas under Government control.    be as it may there never wase any referendum on the new constitution. as provided for in the Minsk agreement.    

Wikipedia has been tuned int a propaganda system - but in their own reporting they indicated that over 14 000 people died in the civil war until the Minsk agreement -  and since that agreement near to 5 000 died with no account f how they died.   There was virtually no fghting between the Federal forces and the rebels - bar in Mariopol where the Asov Battalion  got in control and in 2015 there were thousands murdered by the Batallion - so much so that the Battalion was denied any assistance and effectively declared as a terrorist organization.   That problem was overcome wen the Battalion became part of the Ukraine army and even in recent reports by a French volunteer they murdered Russian prisoners of war in his presence.    

You said Russia threatened sone states before the Ukraine invasion and the only states it could have been were the three I mentioned.    

You e really talking shit above.   There is no oppression of Russian speakers in the three states mentioned - while there were constant attacks on Russian speaking people in Ukraine and even though you denied it there were thousands  of Ukraine Russians murdered since 2015.   

You have no evidence of anything and the word 'Might" is clearly BS.