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The Donald wins again.

Started by Mozart19 REPLIES1,257 VIEWS· 10 Jan 2020, 17:11
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
10 Jan 2020, 17:11
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10 Jan 2020, 17:11#1

Larry Kudlow reports under Trump the wealthy have increased their net worth by 13%. Scandalous, Trump favours the rich! But hold on the lowest income group have increased their net worth by 40%!!!


Seven million jobs! Tr ump has done a fabulous job of lifting all boats.


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sharkbokCaptain23,198 posts
10 Jan 2020, 18:09
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10 Jan 2020, 18:09#2
I would prefer to see stats like this verified by independent sources, rather than a Republican party member.  Just like if the Democrats were running the government, I would also want an independent source to verify the stats. 
It seems that both parties constantly lie to get votes- more so than say the UK. 
Ideally, multiple sources to be sure, otherwise, I would think one of the political parties is rigging the data. 
Check out these stats below. Notice how from 2013 to 2016 there was a massive increase from previous years. 
https://www.multpl.com/us-average-income/table/by-year2012 to 2016 was the biggest increase ever- like 4% every year.You are suggesting Trump has increased by 13.3% every year.
Given most people are employees, the only way this could happen is if people have averaged a 40% salary increase over 3 years. That sounds a bit good to be true...US Average Household Income by Year
Dec 31, 201683,143.00Dec 31, 201579,263.40Dec 31, 201475,737.74Dec 31, 201372,641.31Dec 31, 201271,274.00Dec 31, 201169,676.82Dec 31, 201067,391.99Dec 31, 200967,976.29Dec 31, 200868,424.32Dec 31, 200767,608.93Dec 31, 200666,570.23Dec 31, 200563,344.20Dec 31, 200460,466.04Dec 31, 200359,066.98Dec 31, 200257,852.01Dec 31, 200158,208.25Dec 31, 200057,134.89
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
10 Jan 2020, 18:26
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10 Jan 2020, 18:26#3

Look up the difference between income and wealth (net worth). And when you understand that, let's talk again.

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sharkbokCaptain23,198 posts
10 Jan 2020, 18:29
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10 Jan 2020, 18:29#4

The lowest income group would not have anything else but a salary unless Trump has turned the whole nation into investment stockbrokers.

They would typically rent houses, and not have many assets, so their net worth (wealth) would be only be contributed to by their income. 

The dollar has not increased much, so it is not as if their buying power has suddenly increased by 40%. 

This article has no substance. It is just an empty claim not backed up by data... 

Feel free to post again, once you have data to support the argument, otherwise, it is just BS to get Trump elected again -and can be written off as just that!

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
10 Jan 2020, 19:15
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10 Jan 2020, 19:15#5

SB

Whether you like it or not less people are on foodstamps and earning an income for the first time in many years.   Food stamps represents minimal income or near to nothing.   With 7 million new jobs till 2016 makes a huge difference to their income and that affects the average income earned.

The fact is the economy is booming and the problem is the DP wants to kill it by their policies.  It is the ordinary workers that gained more from the boom than is really the most beneficiaries in the USA.

In this case one must also looking at the housing situation.   Homelessness in California increased by 16% and in New York and Chicago by 8%,   Both of those two states are governed by the DP and they are amiss in dealing with the problem.    

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
10 Jan 2020, 19:25
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10 Jan 2020, 19:25#6
It wasn't an article, it was a statement made by Larry Kudlow, the Chief of the President's Economic Advisors.....a widely respected economist and former NBC contributor.
It was made on National TV, so you can be sure if he's wrong it will be ex posed.

Most workers in the US participate in the Stock Market via company enhanced savings plans.
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
10 Jan 2020, 21:20
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10 Jan 2020, 21:20#7

Yes stock market is now up 58%! Die briefly went over 29, 0000.

Only a profoundly stupid ill informed nutjob like sharktwit would not know wages have increased fastest for blue collar workers.

The clowns still have huge egg dripping down their faces about their claimss Crooked Hillary would beat Trump. 

Rooibozo asks what has Trump done for America. Yes he is that stupid. 

 Bwhahahahaha 


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BrycyPro4,671 posts
11 Jan 2020, 01:42
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11 Jan 2020, 01:42#8

...yup that was one of the biggest lies Fat Donny told was that wages would skyrocket - they've barely kept up with inflation...

....and how does Fat Donny's numbers compare with Obama ? ....under Obama homelessness fell for seven straight years and the number of homeless veterans was cut in half...

Under Trump homelessness has increased for three straight years.. homeless veterans numbers are rising again...

13 million Americans have to take on more than one job to survive

45 million Americans are drowning in $ 1. 6 trillion of student debt...

40 % of Americans are one missed paycheck away from poverty

1 in 4 Americans can't afford their meds...


The Dow Jones Industrial Average: Jan. 20, 2009: 7,949 (Obama begins) Jan. 20, 2012: 12,720 (60% increase) Jan. 20, 2017: 19,827 (149% increase) Jan. 20, 2017: 19,827 (Trump begins) Jan. 10, 2020: 28,977 (46% increase) Quote Tweet
So that's a concern. But it's not a revenue issue, in spite of the tax cuts  the revenues are growing strongly:
So it's a spending problem. But of the $4.74 trillion....$2.84 is mandatory, legally required social payments. Then there is $479 billion of interest payments on existing debt. Both of these items are growing on automatic.
That leaves $ 1.426 of discretionary spending....controlled in large part by Congress. And $989 of this is military spending which has increased dramatically after the Obama neglect.
All of which means much of this is outside the President's control.. and on the revenue side, which is within his control, things are solid.



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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
11 Jan 2020, 07:59
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11 Jan 2020, 07:59#12

Incidentally Bricey, you really started your deficit analysis a few years late:


  • 2011 - $1.3 trillion budget deficit
  • 2010 - $1.3 trillion budget deficit
  • 2009 - $1.4 trillion budget deficit
  • 2008 - $455 billion budget deficit
  • 2007 - $162 billion budget deficit
  • 2006 - $248.2 billion budget deficit
Notice the increase from $455 billion to $1.4 trillion in Obama's first year. Awful right? Not really that was necessary quantitative stimulus spending. 
To do a proper analysis of all this you also have to normalize for war s pending.
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BrycyPro4,671 posts
11 Jan 2020, 08:07
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11 Jan 2020, 08:07#13

....yup trickle down economics hoax aside things are looking good ...especially for the rich

speaking of winners here's a Fox News survey showing Fat Donny is a real winner..


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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
11 Jan 2020, 16:56
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11 Jan 2020, 16:56#14

It's a German survey you clown....you know the folks that  brought you those great contributors to World Peace....the Kaiser and Adolph Hitler!

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
11 Jan 2020, 18:16
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11 Jan 2020, 18:16#15

Trump is a threat to world peace because he resists the bad actors. He tackles difficult problems and he actually tries to make the world a better place....but nooo!

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
11 Jan 2020, 18:24
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11 Jan 2020, 18:24#16

By making the world a better place - he makes it a safer place,  The Democrats have been notorious was mongers.   Even when the Republican Presidents started wars - the approvals are given by majority Democrats and Senate members.   They are the party that must carry the can after the Democrats started the BS,           

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sharkbokCaptain23,198 posts
11 Jan 2020, 18:52
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11 Jan 2020, 18:52#17
These are some alternate sources for deficit under Trump. Obama was also bad, but Trump has made it worse. 
https://www.ft.com/content/afef409e-f758-11e9-9ef3-eca8fc8f2d65  (This one uses the Federal Reserve as a source)- who are probably the most trustworthy source possible

It is clear that under Trump the problem is rapidly getting worse, so Trump will eventually push the economy into another recession. 
https://www.thebalance.com/us-deficit-by-year-3306306


Trump was meant to be pulling troops out of the middle east to reduce war expenses

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
11 Jan 2020, 19:23
#18
11 Jan 2020, 19:23#18

Trump makes less war, but he did pump massive funds into the military...as a deterrent...and together with behind the scenes diplomacy...working too.


"This one uses the Federal Reserve as a source)- who are probably the most trustworthy source possible"


Not necessarily...the FR has their own agenda, but the numbers are probably right....as long as the deficit is increasing less than the growth in GDP it shouldn't be a problem. 


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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
11 Jan 2020, 19:36
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11 Jan 2020, 19:36#19

The trade deficit blew out under Obama as a result of deficit spending to fix the Great Recession....entirely appropriate.


It then contracted as that spending was phased out and military spending was cut by almost $200 billion...also under Obama.


Trump had neither the benefit of declining deficit spending, nor declining military spending. So the underlying growth in entitlements re-exerted themselves. And he had to restore someof the military spending.


On the revenue side.....in spite the tax cuts, which always inhibit revenues in  the first year, revenue is now growing in a healthy way. And eventually the huge job gains will push Revenues beyond where they would have been under higher taxes.


The real issue is entitlements, which are supercharged by illegal immigration....something Trump has tackled with zero support from the democrats.

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
11 Jan 2020, 19:44
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11 Jan 2020, 19:44#20

But while we are about it....we should look at the Trade Deficit under Trump. All sorts of disasters were predicted, this is what happened:










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