Who Built The Pyramids

Beeno, with all your constant preaching to all and sundry on this forum about the universe, and DNA..... it's about time you answered a question...……...so I have reposted my question into a new thread here

How were the pyamids made?

You know...... the 2.5 million blocks of individual rocks that make up each pyramid and each rock is between 2 to 16 tons in weight...… with some pieces weighing 100 tons, that were put in places within the pyramids, and hoisted up to incredible heights...….oh...…..and each piece of rock had to be transported from over 600km - 700km away.

All this was done without the wheel even being invented yet...….. oh...… and the rocks were placed with such precision, that scientists would battle with today's technology to replicate the same thing...…..

Did I also mention the absolute precise holes which were drilled through some of these 100 ton limestone rocks...……

Or how about how they were lined up so accurately, to the stars in Orion's belt, which was only discovered thousands of years after the pyramids were constructed.....

Maybe you could explain how the dimensions of the pyramids, when mathematically calculated, equal to 3.1419, which is PI, which was only discovered 2000 years later

Tell me Beeno…….. let's solve this relatively new and recent creation of something...…... before you start trying to preach to me and everyone else on here...... about how you believe DNA and the universe was created

Surely something constructed so recently, should be much easier to explain, than something like the universe or DNA..... which is far...…. far...…. far …...older.

The floor is yours Beeno...…. I await your detailed answer

I have a question too...a much more simple one, though not for Beeno specifically. Anyone with any engineering understanding is welcome to take a crack.

There is 100m long passage. It is 4m wide and 4m high. The floors and walls are smooth, flat and square.

You wish to move a rectangular cube from one end of the corridor to the other.

The cube's dimensions are 6mL x 3mW x 3mH and it weighs 150tons.

This means that you only have one position that the object would fit into the passage. It leaves you 1/2m of space on each side and 1m above.

For reference, 150tons is the weight of 50 x double cab bakkies.

DA

It's now beyond discussion, humans are way older than we thought. There was a flood. There is biblical, archeological and mythical agreement on this.

LADAR has proven that South America had the largest cities in the world thousands of years ago but smallpox killed off entire populations and the jungle overgrew those cities before the Spanish trekked inland, and are only now being rediscovered. BTW, did you know that the ancient South Americans actually developed their own soil? They used a smoldering process to load nitrogen into it. There are also microbes in this soils that nobody is able to replicate today. Also that the Amazon is basically manmade? Most of the trees, in an area the size of India, were planted for food...nuts fruits etc. 

Water erosion on the Sphinx proves that it's been there much longer than even the most speculative of "informed" guesses. 

India has monuments and carvings of the type of complexity that we've only managed in the last thirty years. A small example...a granite statue carved from one piece of rock. When you push a piece grass into the ear...It comes out the nose. Likewise, when you do the same at the inner corner of the eye, it comes out the ear or nose.

To do this, you require a) a drill bit that goes around corners and can be controlled from the front and b) advanced mathematics or an exray machine to gauge bit depth and angle.

Point is, no matter where you look, there are artifacts and monuments that are extremely difficult to explain. Impossible actually, if you go by the current methodology that modern society began 6000years ago in Sumeria. When you look at the societies that populate areas where you find these things, they didn't have the technology in the last 6000 years.

We know a great deal about so many aspects of Inca, Egyptian and Indian life, all discovered through records and archeology, but when it comes to their greatest achievements, we find nothing. That says that the inhabitants of those places found things as they were and settled there. Many of their records and traditions even admit that they found these places already built.

It looks like there were much older civilisations and they understood some things that we haven't figured out yet. They were wiped out by a large cataclysm and the few survivors are those that then passed on some of the knowledge and spawned the modern world.

I saw something recently where they discovered a perfect wagon wheel in a coal mine. Literally embedded in a thick layer of coal. How on earth!!!???

http://www.oom2.com/t48477-300-million-year-old-chariot-wheel-found-deep-in-mine

I don't know enough about coal to comment, but seriously, how?

Plum, your "question" doesn't seem to be a question at all. Just a series of statements.

Just thought I'd mention that because you have a reputation for saying stuff and then demanding answers to your question when there's not actually a question or even a question mark.

My question is what the heck is this discussion of pyramids and engineering doing in the Other Sports section?

Interesting how Beeno has gone very very quiet

Beeno can somehow explain..... in his own extremely stupid way..... how the universe and DNA was created..... many many millions of years ago...….

Yet he cannot explain a simple creation such as the pyramids....

LMAO

Plum, it is like trying to explain how one of the main stone doors leading into one of the pyramids, which weighs quite a few tons...… can be pushed open or closed, with a very gentle push of only one hand...…

There are no hinges or brackets attached......

Hmmmmmmmmmmm ... must have been ET and his mates then, right DA?

Who else would have had that kind of tech ... right?

You tell me CC

If Beeno professes to know what, when...... and how...... the universe was made, as well as our own human DNA, that he keeps preaching to everyone on this forum about, and we have no real doubt that these were created millions and millions of years ago, then he should have zero problem explaining how the pyramids were made when they only go back to the 2500BC era of humanity

It's quite a simple question really...….. and I don't conclusively know the answer...…….. just like I don't know how the universe was made..... but Beeno knows conclusively how the universe was made...… so if he 100% knows how that was done, then telling me how the pyramids were created, and by whom...… and when...….should be piss......a piece of cake...… a mere drop in the ocean...… especially with his high level of intelligence 

Beeno….. the floor is yours

To prevent any possible excuses that Beeno did not see this thread, it has been reposted on the Beeno Trumpet section...... so please post all responses there

The last thing I would want is Beeno using the pathetic excuse that he never ever saw this thread, so could not reply to it

Although, we would all know that that would be as bullshit as Piss Mint saying that he is sober most days

Some things are just guaranteed

"I see the penny dropped . . ."

Much like your intelligence over the last year...….

Rooi

Not all questions end in a "?".

Did you give some thought to the problem I posed above?

Anyhow, the fact that most of these unexplained structures have no writing on them, is very strange.

In Egypt, a lot of the oldest and precise work appears to have been decorated with crude hieroglyphs that don't nearly match up to the craftsmanship of the objects themselves. 

Kind of like being able to build a car but not change a tire.

Kufu's pyramid is only called that because they found the name crudely painted on a wall inside it. A bit of graffiti is the only mark the builders left on the greatest construction project in history?

From Peru to Egypt, India, Japan and Europe, all the oldest and most perplexing works are devoid of discernable ownership.

Like there was a time when people could use 100ton blocks as bricks but nobody wrote anything down or appeared to want to show ownership.

That's weird, right? 

Yes it is funny.

Where in the world have you seen "Dark Ou's" work or build anything.

Ok, fine a cuboid.

Nah, you entirely missed the point of the problem.

The cuboid weighs 150tons.

It has to be moved down a corridor with only half a meter of space between the sides of the cuboid and the corridor's walls. There is 1m of space from the top surface to the corridor roof.

So it's not that you can't get enough hands on it. In that case, even a 10ton slab would be a problem. The issue is that we don't even have modern machinery that can fit into that space while being able to shift that weight.

The corridor has an entrance on one side through which the cuboid enters and it must then me moved 100m towards the other end of the corridor which has no opening. 

OK, take ten million slaves, all the elephants you want, and I'll give you ropes that weigh 20% of what the best ropes today weigh while having a load capacity of 80% more. I'll throw in modern bearings and the strongest lightest steel bed that you can fit into the corridor.

Just tell me how you'd do it. 

We know that it was done in the past. We have proof. It's still sitting exactly where it was when records began.

Please elaborate on how whips solved this problem. I can whip the shi t out of everyone on earth, it won't make even one of them superman.

Well if it's aliens then it's aliens. 

I'm asking how humans did it.

...because some stones are left blocking the corridor.

Hmmm ... what do you mean “you tell me CC” ... ??

Haven’t you given it any thought? Surely you have a rebuttal of sorts ... or some kind of counter prepared for whatever BeanDip comes up with ... or are you just gonna wing it ... while not having any real thoughts of your own?

Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahaha

That’s actually very funny.

You want an argument ... but ... you don’t have a clue what your thoughts are on the subject.

Strange!!

You want some advice? You need to work on your game plan.

This one sucks!

These folk were well versed in building enormous structures. They're not stupid.

It stands to reason that the 150 ton bl ock was placed in position first. The rest of the structure followed shortly after.

Nope, Rooi.

The "question" asks you to show how you would move the cuboid from one end to the other.

If I were an examiner, you'd get zero for t hat answer. 

There are solutions. None of them involve slaves or whipping.

Can you think of any?

Ok, so you don't have any idea?'

You are completely discounting that there might be evidence for the slabs having been moved after the corridors were built and that I took that into consideration when framing the problem. You weren't asked to think outside of the box. 

You were given dimensions, weights and targets. 

Let's re-cap your answers...

1) Slaves and whips.

2) Avoid the crux of the question plus the Egyptians were smart. 

3) ...

Here's a clear question. How would you approach the problem as it was posed"?"

I used that because I didn't think people would know what a cuboid was.

You going with, Egyptians are smart?  

Not much of a problem solver, Rooi?

Ok, so are you ready to at least attempt to solve the problem?

I solved your problem Plum. I placed the stone first and then built the corridor. Remember?

1. There is 100m long passage. It is 4m wide and 4m high. The floors and walls are smooth, flat and square.

2 You wish to move a rectangular cube from one end of the corridor to the other.

3 The cube's dimensions are 6mL x 3mW x 3mH and it weighs 150tons.

4 This means that you only have one position that the object would fit into the passage. It leaves you 1/2m of space on each side and 1m above.

5 For reference, 150tons is the weight of 50 x double cab bakkies.

Okay, let's try this then. Those are the numbered points of Plum's "problem".

Plum all I need is at least one number. Which of those numbers contains the question or where you are asking me as the problem solver what I need to do.

Seriously, just the number will do. Let's take some baby steps here.

Odd, you seemed to understand the question when you attempted to avoid it. 

Cumo n, have a go.

Fine, I'll start.

Flood the corridor with water.

That'll reduce the load from 150tons to roughly 100tons.

Make it salt saturated water and we're down to 95tons.

Your turn...

Thing is ... where would the water come from? I presume the structure is in the middle of a desert ... many miles from any salty ocean, right?

How do you intend keeping the passage flooded? Would that mean sealing both ends off?

The floor is flat ... so gravity isn't an option. Would constructing a slope be something to look at?

95 tons is still a lot of downward pressure. You will probably need something on the floor (under the block) to assist with movement. Something that 95 tons doesn't crush to dust.

Sure, water tightness doesn't have to last forever. 

Before flooding the chamber I would...

1) Install no less than 100 pulleys on the wall closest to where I want to move the cuboid. Each should be able to support 1ton.

2) Carve about 30 granite cylinders of 450mmDia 3mL, and place them laying flat on the corridor floor to act as rollers.

3) Assuming I have been able to move the cuboid to the entrance of the corridor, I likely have the technology to place it inside the entrance and on top of the rollers.

4) I'd have 100 elephants, each hooked up to ropes that go into the entrance, past the cuboid and through one pulley each on the far wall, then back toward the cuboid and tied around it.

5) Now I'd flood the chamber.

6) Each elephant only has to pull rope weight plus half a ton of load, since the pulleys halve the weight on each rope. With strong enough pulleys and light enough rope...one elephant could, or person could move this load.

7) Once we run out of cylinders, drain 75% of the water. This leaves the cylinders submerged,lighter and able to be slid past the cuboid and and positioned in front. 4-6 people per cylinder.

8) Repeat this process twice and cuboid will have been moved the necessary 100m.

Anyone got a better idea?

Damn!

Just realised. The far wall is likely to be ripped out 

Clever!!

Well, there you have it ... turns out the Egyptians did construct the pyramids after all.

It's not looking good for DA.

I think an apology is on the cards.

Now you see why I called him DumbAss.

It is a stand-alone problem Rooi.

I tied to solve the problem using only what would have been available at the time. Yes, pulleys were, though maybe a wooden pulley that could carry a ton might be tad big.

...and in that case 150 couldn't be attached to a 4m x 4m wall.

So I used water to decrease the amount of pulleys necessary and by co-incidence the water would also strengthen the rope thus decreasing the necessary diameter and over all load. 

I have a solution though and it means we could do away with the the water entirely.

Still using only primitive equipment and not pulling down the far wall since I assume no wall ever build could withstand 150ton of force across a 4m x 4m section.

No dude, you'd need to tell me what size bearings you'd use.

What you'll have to remember is that they all need to fit under the 6m x 3m bottom surface of the cuboid.

Why not be a champ and work out how you'd do it with copper as your hardest available metal? IE what was available back then.