Who Built The Pyramids

You can do whatever you like.

Tell us how you'd do it today and how you'd have done it back then(say 1000 years back).

You vanished, so i answered it myself. In light of that...

Why not give us both?

No, I'm not trying to apply this problem to the pyramids.

Your original answer about building the structure around the cuboid is invalid since I am telling you that in the location where this work was carried out, these blocks where left blocking corridors. It is clear that where they were left was not their final destination. And as such...if the engineers had placed these blocks, then built corridors that blocked themselves off, it would make no sense. Unless they were complete idiots that build immovable lockages into their walkways. Also, the blocks that were left in corridors where clearly being moved to the focal points where the blocked corridors terminate. These focal points were empty, while other focal points already have identical blocks installed. 

So I'm not sure how of this was in Egypt, India or Hillbrow, it makes any difference. Like, how if it was Egypt it automatically means the corridors were built around the blocks.

Hence the very clear...

"You wish to move a rectangular cube from one end of the corridor to the other."

You are the one confusing yourself by wandering away from the question. Do i need to state the planet's gravity values, that there weren't TRex benching midgets available and that the blocks were not sentient and self propelling?

Now really, you are just playing dumb and trying to find faults in the question. 

Why not just solve the problem. 

A) as it was a few thousand years back, and or...

B) with modern technology.

One last time...

You wish to move a 150ton block 100m from one end of a corridor to another. You have all the necessary dimensions. 

Try, it or don't try it, but for heaven's sake, stop pretending the task isn't clear.

Slide it in on ball bearings. Once in place one big lift and wash out bearings with water and lower into place.

Must say, your attitude is starting to suck. It almost sounds like I'm listening to Klown's hilarious macho posturing when I read your posts lately.

"Try, it or don't try it, but for heaven's sake, stop pretending the task isn't clear."

There is no task described in your opening post of the this thread. It's a series of statements. It's poorly worded and the task is still not clear.

No, and I'm not pretending.

"You wish to move a rectangular cube from one end of the corridor to the other."

What don't you understand?

Oh for Pete's sake . . . I understand now. I didn't understand then. 

Didn't I explain all that? Huh? On this very thread?

You know what Plumchum, there's one other question you should be asking yourself . . . how come Rooinek was the only poster on this message board who even attempted an answer? Do you know why no-one else tried? Huh champ? It's because they're scratching their heads wondering what the heck you're talking about.

Now just shut the heck up about this stupid "problem" that isn't a problem at all. If it's the old days you place the stone before you build the corridor and if it's today then you use simple ball bearings. More effective, simpler and more feasible than your stupid salt water garbage.

Both are valid answers to your stupid "question" whichever time you prefer to "ask" it. This could have been an interesting discussion on how the pyramids were built and by whom but you're just banging on about this stupid puzzle that clearly no-one else gives a flying toss about. That includes me.

Yeah. Ok.

Well done Rooi.

You know, Rooi, I read through this thread this morning.

Not once was I rude, not once did I resort to silly nicknames and at no point did I try to pss you off.

Here is another bit where I tried to clarify the question. I.always give you the benefit of the doubt. You know what, I'll continue to do just that.

" The cuboid weighs 150tons.

It has to be moved down a corridor with only half a meter of space between the sides of the cuboid and the corridor's walls. There is 1m of space from the top surface to the corridor roof."

So, if you'd like to continue, I'll rephrase the question. Half because I prefer to share ideas than be bad friends and the other half because it's just better to be positive.

Uh-oh ... now you've done it.

Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahaaa!! Plum ... you've embarrassed the poor dear. How dare you?

The dumpy little man likes to think of himself as the most educated poster on site ... the board's know it all ... and your puzzle just stumped him. Of course he'll never admit to that. 

Haaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahaha!! I love it.

He's trying to save face now.

See how he's blaming you for the "misunderstanding" ... it's your fault you see ... not his inability to grasp, let alone solve the puzzle.

See how the insults are raining down?

Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahaha!!

I see you've also uncovered his fondness for being deliberately obtuse. LMAO!!! It's like clock work. He is such an easy read. This side of him surfaces whenever he finds his back against the wall.

Don't take anything this short fat little man has to say to you.

Let him thrash about on the floor till he's done. That's usually my favourite part of our little chats.

"Hmmm ... what do you mean “you tell me CC” ... ??"

"You want an argument ... but ... you don’t have a clue what your thoughts are on the subject".

"You want some advice? You need to work on your game plan." This one sucks!

Actually CC, if you responded with some original thoughts of your own, I would have gladly responded...…….. to me your ET comment looked just like your usual sarcastic, arrogant, childish... rude response, so why bother

You just can't help yourself can you...….

And yeah, I am only responding now, I went away for the long weekend..... .live with it

"This has the potential to be a very interesting thread but apart from the fact that it's in the wrong section, it's also titled "Beeno - Man Up" which I'm guessing won't inspire too many people to click on it. Can you please edit the title of this thread to "Who built the Pyramids" or something like that?"

Been away...... I only saw your request now Piss Mint, but seeing as it is quite a reasonable one, I will assist

Uh-Oh ... why are you offended? I'm trying to help you here, DA.

I think we both know why you won't give me an response ... and it has nothing to do with me being "rude".

Why not just come clean and admit that you don't have a single thought of your own?

Huh?

Your question is a stupid one, DA. Not very well thought out ... and on top of that, you haven't any thoughts or ideas o f your own, It's hilarious.

You want BeanDip to give an answer which you yourself don't have.

Don't you think that's a little hypocritical?

I do.

"Clever! !

Well, there you have it ... turns out the Egyptians did construct the pyramids after all.

It's not looking good for DA."

There we go....... all the proof needed...….LMAO !!

"Uh-Oh ... why are you offended? I'm trying to help you here, DA."

LMAO, nothing you say ever offends me CC

You have to at least have some degree of respect for something or someone...... for it to offend you

I have never had any respect for you, so don't flatter yourself.

LMFAO

"I'm guessing from your opening post that you don't think man built the pyramids. So what are you suggesting? Aliens? A lost civilization?"

Well. interestingly, I actually have similar opinions on this, to you

I believe thousands or millions of slaves died whilst being brutally forced to build the pyramids.

I think they constructed some massive inexplicable pull, push and lift system.... to navigate all the individual pieces into place...... over a longer period of time than we think...…. and in some cases I believe that thousands of lives were intentionally and knowingly lost, when some of these duties or actions were deliberately performed.

I also think that people were far more intelligent and creative than we give them credit for, and that we also have our timeframes of when things like this happened and over what period of time they were created...... horribly incorrect.

I will also never rule out the existence of any extra-terrestrial beings..... and no, I am not necessarily saying that they assisted in this pyramid creation..... I am just not naive enough to believe that we are the only living creation amongst billions of planets

As for the alignment of the pyramids to the stars...….. and the mathematical equations......as I said, I believe they were far far more intelligent than we have ever given them credit for..... and as for the transportation of these rocks, and the cutting of the limestone.....etc etc...…. everything and anything...… given enough time and continuous non-stop resources, can be achieved.... even back then

DA

My feeling is that saying time and resources solves problems, is much too general.

Yes, I do know that you agree people were way smarter than we like to give them credit for. Much of this has to do with the archeological establishment's refusal to accept that they were wrong about certain critical aspects of and times during human history.

That's why I like to look at specific problem, exaggerate it by a factor and then try to figure out figure out how to solve it. 

And I still want to know why the most ancient and difficult to replicate pieces have virtually no inscriptions on them. That theme seems to permeate all the continents and cultures.  

"You've just wasted my time"

Then fuck off and leave this thread to those interested in debating this topic...…

You won't be missed, since you contributed absolutely zero of your own thoughts anyway ....

"Interplanetary travel is hard enough but interstellar travel doesn't seem feasible or possible even with futuristic and advanced technology that we may develop or that other planets already have."

What we as the human race have achieved in the last 100 years alone, is beyond belief

People 100 years ago would never have believed in flying faster than the speed of sound, or satellites traveling at 35 000m per second in space, towards other planets for research purposes

That only took 100 years..... the cellphone just 20 years ago was a massive brick...…. but no more...…. The first X-Box had more computing power and technology than the very first shuttle that went to space.....

Imagine what we could achieve in just 1000 years from now...….. which is a speck in the history of all creation...…..

I have said before, that if we really knew what was out there, it would... or could...... possibly be the end of mankind itself...… and I believe that is why we will never ever know what the truth is, because we would end ourselves to achieve that next level of existence

Plum, here is what I find funny, sometimes hilarious

I can always look at someone else's theory or opinion and debate the pros and cons out of it...… but if you point blank refuse to accept or debate any other theory, besides yours, and just insult others...….exactly like Beeno does all the time, and all you ever do is force your "answer" or "proof"on me, then what is the point of discussing anything with you.

My whole point for this discussion was to show that a person cannot prove shit to me, or anyone else....that happened millions and millions of years ago...… when you cannot even prove to me what happened recently with the pyramids...…..

Beeno wants to talk about science conclusively proving God exists, but not even the latest and up to date science can explain how the pyramids were made...…. so...….. how then can science be trusted or believed...… because even science is changed, amended and updated all the time

"My feeling is that saying time and resources solves problems, is much too general"

Not in my book

Take a few men with a hammer and a chisel, and tell them what you want to achieve, with a 150 ton piece of limestone...…. it would take them months or years

Take that same 150 ton limestone and alternate just 50 - 500 men, night and day, in shifts...…..to chisel and chip away at that rock..... so ...…. fresh new hands and energy every 20 -30 mins..... because you have non stop resources and manpower at your disposal... night and day

It would takes hours or days for the same result...…. so time and resources is a huge thing for me, especially when you have access to literally thousands of those hands..... every single day

"Me neither but I'm more skeptical(why) than most when it comes to the concept of interstellar travel. Interplanetary travel is hard enough(for whom) but interstellar travel doesn't seem feasible(for whom) or possible even with futuristic and advanced(according to what measure) technology that we may develop or that other planets(what do they have) already have. The space between us is just too(is it) vast and is still expanding so I don't think we're destined to ever(that's a long time) meet up with life forms(the whole spectrum) from other planets(how many)."

Some reasons why I disagree entirely.

1) At just 1/10 the speed of light, the entire galaxy could be explored in a tiny fraction of the time that earth has existed.

2) Self replicating AI nanotechnology is likely and offers a great solution to a race with intent to colonise solar systems.

3) Propulsion technology is still in its infancy. We've had it for less than 200 years. Any estimate that we make about potential speeds are a based on what we currently know and what's presently available through pre-existing and manufactured elements on our periodic table. We don't know what else is out there.

4) Credible witnesses have described seeing crafts. If they are all lying or confused, then it is to date the biggest and most consistent lie ever told in human history. No, it's not comparable to religion. 

5) We've recently discovered an unimaginable amount of planets. The surface temp of 1/3 of these planets could hold water in liquid form. Life is NOT dependant on photosynthesis, heat is enough. Most planets and moons have heated cores due to gravitational pressure. 

6) Life has a tendency to increase in complexity and also to spread out.

7) The nature of the universe is largely unknown. This makes limiting speculations an impossible task. It's logical to assume, based on how very little we know, that almost every area of our known science is barely a peep through the castle's keyhole.

Even a conservative speculation puts space travel, interstellar communication and possibility of intelligent life outside of earth, squarely on the "probable" pile.

Doesn't it?

Very interesting debate indeed

500 - 1 000 years ago, who would have even considered or believed that we would have the capacity or technology to view planets which are nearly 150 light years away from earth

We do this easily right now

Now keep in mind that one light year is about 9.5 trillion km in length..... so absorb that for just a second

In other words, we are looking at images of planets that are currently, right now..... 1 225.5 trillion km away from us here on earth..... we have even made those images of those planets into time lapse videos.

Can you imagine the technology that went into this, and how that has developed over the last 100 years alone...…

Now, imagine what we could do in 1 000 - 2 000 years, which is absolutely nothing in the greater scheme of time, that the universe has been around

I can't even get my head around that, never mind space travel

DA, if someone had to ask me to name the top inventions or advances in the last 100 years I'd have a few medical ones in my list, specifically the dicovery of antibiotics and the treatment of septic wounds. 

Less than a hundred years ago you would have died if you didn't treat certain bacterial diseases or infections. This discovery in turn has lengthened our average life spans and had a critical impact on the world's population growth.

I know people say things like the first person to live 200 years has already been born but I'm not so sure. I think science and medicine can make our bodies last longer but what does living longer help if you're mind becomes enfeebled . . . and who wants to live 100 years as a crazy person? If your future scientists who can travel to the stars can also cure cancer and keep our minds alive as long as our bodies then I'll be impressed.

Anyway, not really relevant to the topic but if you're wondering about the rapid advances in technology then don't forget the medical or biological ones. 

They already say that 60 is the new 50...……. and 40 is the new 30...... and this can and will only continue to get better as more inventions and advancements in medical procedures improve.

As our medicine evolves, so do the diseases

I do believe that man will eventually be able to transplant one head to another body...… it will eventually happen, of that I have no doubt at all.

It was unheard of that the heart could ever be transplanted to another human being, and we all know what happened there..... and again, in the big scheme of time in our universe, that happened a split second ago

Geneticists are assisting people with growing new replacement organs from their very own bodies, that they have lost due to some disease or accident..... unheard of 30 years ago

To me though...….the development of AI over the last few years alone has been astonishing ….. truly astounding

Here is such a basic and simple example of my thought process regarding how we are advancing and evolving as a species.... over such a very small space in time.....

Google assistant can virtually give you any answer under the sun, right now, and it can perform so many different tasks, calculations and provide instantaneous real time feedback on any topic that a human being could think of…… it is quite simply bloody amazing..... and yet it is still in it's infancy..... but it is phenomenal....

Imagine Google Assistant in 50 - 100 years time...… never mind 500 years from now

Imagine sending that AI system into the universe, to travel for how many hundreds or thousands of years...… and...…. have the full speech and rational thinking capability...... to answers any questions posed to it about our planet and species…... by another being.

No aging, no lifespan..... no sickness, no health issues...…...no air, no food...…...

Hehe Rooi

And If you read my reasons for disagreeing, you would notice that they qualify the "infantile" questions.

Why? Why are you skeptical if you, like everyone else, concedes that we know very little. How can you be skeptical in the face of so many unknowns. It's seems illogical and your skepticism should be turned 180 degrees the other way. IE I can't see why it wouldn't be possible.

1st for whom? Space travel is infinitely easier for humans in 2019 than those of the 16th century. What about humans in 3019? That's without considering anyone other than humans.

2nd For whom? Yes, how can you assume any limit on another species of which you have no idea of a) age, b) circumstance, c) origin or d) motivation.

By what measure? The measure of cavemen, modern humans or a species that is a billion years old and entirely cybernetic in its current incarnation. So really, your measure of advancement is just an extension of a subjective idea based on what you perceive to be advancement. IE What's in your head. Unless you feel qualified to comment on the level of advancement present at every location in all the universe. 

What do they have? Well you are claiming to know what technology they have by placing a limit on its potential. That says that you have a relatively good idea of what they have. Something's limit is usually a defining characteristic since we tend to define things by their output. And I want to know how you know or are so confident about that.

Is it? It is vast to you and I, no doubt. Is it as vast to all other species? Since us meeting extra terrestrials is not just down to our ability but also dependant on their capability. How vast the universe is and how quickly they can traverse it, as you point out, the crux of the issue at hand. You know what term, the world is getting smaller? 

That's a long time. How old are you? How old is the earth? How old is the universe. Using a term like "ever" in the context of the argument you are making and in the knowledge of the amount of time and the potential complexity of life in the universe, seems arrogant or ignorant.

The whole spectrum? Considering that bacteria have been shown to survive unprotected space travel, panspermia being a well debated hypothesis and the rich and far dating history of Ufo reports, it's an entirely worthwhile question that I asked. Considering you seemed to say we won't meet any form of life...ever.

How many? Well 40billion possibilities in our galaxy alone is a pretty big number. Now extend that out into the universe at large. Are you really considering the vast and unfathomable potential in the sheer numbers alone? It would appear that you are not.

Now, tell me again how infantile my questions are? 

Yeah guy, I don't give a shit about attacking your character. It's boring. 

I'm happy to challenge your ideas. Immaturity is aggression in the face of conflicting ideas. You know that's the truth.

Rooi,

Here's an accusation for you.

I'm not sure if I believe or mean it. 

Just thought of it and want to know how you would respond.

It's like this...

You're an atheist. Normally that's for two reasons. Rejecting God, religion and everything/most/too many of its words and results. The other reason  is more complicated. It assumes that you would espouse the big bang even in the absence all religions.

Atheists rate the universe came about purely as a physical event. Without getting into the before or afters. 

Chance over intention.

Do you agree?

I'm wondering how you reconcile that chance with limiting the chance and potential of the realm it created. 

Especially when you know so little about it?

There's a contradiction somewhere there. 

DA, I'm told that AI has made remarkable advances in the last few years but I remain suitably underwhelmed . . . unless you think collecting cookies about my browsing habits and then bombarding me with "relevant" pop up ads is particularly intelligent.

Admittedly my interactions with AI are mainly when playing real time strategy games like Starcraft, city-building games like Cities Skylines or racing games like Gran Turismo but in all cases the AI players are pretty dumb.

If the hit squad of Zealots and Dragoons that is headed for my Zerg base had to learn their lesson from the previous time and include an Observer in their squad instead of being decimated by my burrowed Lurkers every time then I'd be impressed.

If the dumb sims in my Cities Skylines city had to take the underground metro that I built for them that takes them straight to the industrial zone where they work instead of getting on and off three different buses to reach the same destination then I'd say there's progress.

If the AI driver whose car has 200 horsepower more than mine learned to change his line or brake slightly later at La Source then he wouldn't be overtaken at the same corner every lap before powering past me on the Kemmel straight.

Yes, I have heard about all these wonderful advances in AI but I'm not seeing them and I'm busy picturing your intrepid AI explorers of the universe landing on some hostile planet and the first AI unit disembarks saying "we come in peace" before being zapped by the aliens death ray, then the second disembarks and the exact same thing happens and then the next until they're all dead because not one of them could adapt to a situation that they weren't programmed for.

I'm sure you're right and AI will improve but I'm not seeing it . . . yet.   

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PvlMHbMgPvw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TO11avE3J1E

The second video has some spectacular wipeouts. 

This was a shit game but...

It made use of evolutionary algorithms to train NPCs.

None of what you see in the footage is pre-coded or recorded.

They are AI characters that were developed through machine learning. Every last thing you see them doing, none of it was coded by humans. The developers only set up the environment and entered parameters. 

This means that it's not a case of X is in position Y, carry out variations of Z.  

The developers started with a generation of players that could not stand up straight for very long. The billions of simulated generation one bots were all given numerically randomized attributes values. Categories were strength, speed, balance, response time, etc They even gave different muscles in the body different fast-twitch attributes.

Generation 1 is given the mandate <Remain Standing> and then put is a standing position as the play button is pushed. 

The 0.01%(just an example) that best achieved the objective is kept and the rest are deleted.

The remaining 0.01% are then subjected to randomized breading where attribute values are averaged out across breeding pairs. Their offspring are also paired and so on until the deleted 99.99% are replaced. 

Round two of simulation has the exact same mandate as round 1, <Remain Standing>

The process is repeated until everyone can stand.

Eventually in later rounds mandates such as <Run> <Jump><Tackle><Catch> are simulated and the exact same process is followed until such time as you have a generation that is capable of all of them and more.

Parallel to the physical body, and simulated 'brain" is also created, with attributes such as <Anticipation> <Decision Time> <Following Target> and the brain is developed in the same way that the physical body is.

These two are then combined. 

A gym friend of mine was a coder on this game. It was developed by  Natural Motion in Oxford. 

From him, I learned that the trick with doing this was to achieve optimal generations in both aspects of the NPC's ability but not to use teams packed with optimal NPCs. No human player could beat them, barring a glitch or code abuse. 

So, when you watch the footage, know that all the responses, tackles, adjustments ball catching, kicking or passing  and even the stretches for touchdowns...are all done on the fly, nothing is pre-coded. It's astounding really and it means that no two events in this game are ever the same. 

I suggest watching it in slow motion. 

There are many Backbreaker highlit videos on Youtube if one is interested.

This was in 2008.

To bring it back to topic. Could a much more advanced version of this be applied to realistic version of Civilisation 5: Egypt edition? I think so. Mandate <Move Object>

From a guy that is involved in IT...…. I find that quite interesting

Yes...… they don't always learn from what has just happened, but as I stated, AI is still in it's infancy...… you talk about games, yet just 30 years ago we only had Atari asteroids...…. just look at the development of that in the last 30 years alone...…. imagine another 100 - 500 years

Some AI characters that I have played against are incredibly adept at adapting their way of attacking me or outflanking me with gunfire...… and some act just like a normal human would regarding suspicious activity, alertness etc etc..... but as I said, it has only been 30 years, and in the greater scheme of things..... that is absolutely miniscule when relating it to time....

Cell phones 20 years ago...…Nokia 3310

Games 20 years ago …… Quake Arena...….

Computers 20 years ago ……. floppy discs ……. now slimline laptops

The internet 20 years ago...…. had 10 000 pages...…… now it has over 45 billion pages

Google maps 20 years ago..... never existed...….. now is the most used mapping service worldwide

Hybrid Cars 20 years ago...….. old battery technology……….. now far improved distances

TV's 20 years ago..... 51cm Panasonic …….. now, 65 inch flat screen LED

Tape Cassettes ……. to Cd...……. to digital

Sony Walkman...… to headphones...…. to wireless ear buds

Hard drives - portable drives - flash drives

Wire transfer ….. to Infrared - Bluetooth

Film camera …… to full digital real time cameras

Paper Books...…….. to E-Readers

Analogue watches...…... to digital...…… to smart exercise watches

This has all happened in only the last 20 years of human existence...……. which is basically a nano second compared to our time in overall existence

One cannot even imagine the technology that will be available...…..500 years from now 

Moore's law is also being shown up now DA.

They said it would slow down and be tough to keep up with. Currently computing power doubles every 14 months...which is 4 months faster.

Elon Musk and some Google engineer wich name I forgot seems to think AI is going to be a real threat sooner rather than later.

To which I fully agree

The development is moving along incredibly quickly....

I'm still struggling to understand how anyone can place a limit on the what could be possible in the universe.

Maybe it's only me, but I just feel as though it's filled to the brim with potential.

I agree Plum

It is filled to the brim and overflowing with endless possibilities that nobody can ever dispute, unless it is factual proven to be true or otherwise

A ny single scenario could be possible or true...……. nothing can ever be discarded as not possible...… but some people state things as fact when it isn't, and therein lies the problem