06 Sept 2014, 11:53#2
Ahh I was wondering if that was THE Tomas ! Kudos to him too !
BEBeeno1
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BEBeeno1Captain40,032 posts
06 Sept 2014, 12:00#3
Was it Thomas though rooitwit?
If it was it was great loss of course
JWJust_win
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JWJust_winCaptain18,570 posts
06 Sept 2014, 12:19#4
Well the guy who said he was Tomas had some interesting posts. I never thought it was the real guy though but it didn't matter really.
RORooinek
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RORooinekCaptain18,117 posts
06 Sept 2014, 12:22#5
Hmmmmm . . . who to believe?
If I recall, the so-called "proof" put up by the . . . ahem . . . doubting Tomases was that his English was too good and he didn't accept a Facebook friend request. The believers will point to the fact thar Ole Cruz had an incredible knowledge of Tomas Lavanini's career, his whereabouts, his web interviews and his future prospects - all of which proved correct - and then of course, after Tomas was hounded off the board, we got confirmation from the admins on this site (the only guys who can check IPs) that we had in fact lost an international rugby player from the ranks of this board's posters.
So decide for yourselves if Tomas was legit or not . .
06 Sept 2014, 13:16#6
Damn shame that ,if the site owners reckon he was legit thats all I need on top of everything else .Maybe I am a bit old fashioned in taking a man at his word until otherwise proven .
06 Sept 2014, 13:53#7
Not this old chestnut again Scrooi. You really are gullible with a capital "G".
06 Sept 2014, 14:13#8
Dear oh dear, too many freaks, not enough circuses. Most people live and learn, you just live Rooinek.
06 Sept 2014, 15:33#9
Damn Poi-e but boy in your avatar looks like my brother when we wuz wee laddies ..We should have got Tomas to make the old "secret sign " "nudge nudge ,wink,wink hows yer father "when he ran on , 1 finger would suffice ,2 if anglo minded..
JWJust_win
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JWJust_winCaptain18,570 posts
06 Sept 2014, 16:28#10
The real Tomas may hear more about his charge (with head) into McCaw. We will see if this is reviewed by the officials.
GEgeneraltit
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06 Sept 2014, 16:47#11
He did play well in this game and previous...he is a great lock, and we will undoubtedly hear more of him.
He is very young with incredible gusto and enthusiasm...he makes mistakes because he's young but I believe he will become Argentina's, Etzebeth.
Well done Tomas...you have many fans here and don't listen to those disturbed and unbelieving sceptics. Those of integrity and experience believed you from the start.
They are very small men who doubt everything that's honest and good in life...their're expectations of others are limited to their own small vision of themselves which they relate to others and jealousy.
Ole Cruz please come back...there are those who really appreciate you.
Nos rugby enthusiastics en Sudáfrica tienen un respeto y amor por el rugby Argentino especial, que se remonta a los días de Hugo Porta.
DBDbDraad
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DBDbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
06 Sept 2014, 18:41#12
Rooi, Tomas was a total nobody when he started posting here. Why would an imposter choose a u20 club player for a spoof?
GEgeneraltit
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06 Sept 2014, 19:12#13
Well he's not , many years ago I went to Bariloche in Arg, fly fishing for trout in the Andes in a group...I answered him with this with the comment on the beef that comes from the Pampas and he reciprocated with a dish which is a delicacy in his country which nobody who knew anything about it (maybe the internet but you would get this not in the way or context that he replied...it was appropriate).
Even the moderator authenticated his credentials, why should a bunch of total ignoramuses judge this man on facts that they have never heard of?
Tomas imo is genuine...shame on you...because he is a prospect of international fame is that intimidating or strange with you guys.
Not so with me because he really has nothing to prove before he proves it
A huge shame, if John Smit when he was a young boy posted an article would you be so cynical to say you are not John Smit?
Crumbs, this is absolutely ridiculous...even established celebrities are normal and that's true, with no airs and graces and I dare say I've met a few without being called a bull duster...get real people...trust a mans word. I have a philosophy in business with the people I want to deal with...you either trust me or I walk away...I don't believe everything I hear but I know when it's bonafide, sincere and authenticated...it's not difficult...come on!!
06 Sept 2014, 22:48#14
Seb, I live in Hamilton where the Chiefs are based. As I've said earlier when all this blew up, I asked a good mate of mine about Tomas. My mate is a liaison officer with the Chiefs at home games.He told me that Tomas could hardly speak any English so I don't for a minute think that the eloquent "Ole Cruz" is the same person at all. The way he constructed sentences and used colloquial terms meant he could only be a native English speaker, especially considering Tomas' young age. I don't much care if you believe me but I've got better things to do with my time than make up stories!If your native tongue is English then you are naive to believe "Ole Cruz" is genuine...
07 Sept 2014, 00:06#17
the plot thickens....now I am of two minds , which is twice as many as some on here !
07 Sept 2014, 00:40#18
He did speak English very well indeed and used many colloquialisms and an English Syntax that a lot of posters don't use.
Whoever he was....
07 Sept 2014, 02:40#20
Rooinek, why dont you have a little cry wank over his photo?This has got to be the saddest brown nose post I have ever read. Why dont you save all the guessing Rooinek and just write:
"I always knew it was you Tomas..I never doubted u!! Please come back and give my life some meaning again. It just has not been the same without you. Days seem darker, nights seem longer and I have no will to go on without you. I will leave the wife for you Tomas..Even though you had a game none better than what is expected of a number 5 lock at international level, I thought you were outstanding. Best game ever by a number 5 and I thought your cheap shot at McCaw's lower neck was extremely manly given the man couldn't see you coming!Tomas, I think you and I should look at getting an apartment together!"
Ha ha you really are pathetic Rooipoes!
MOMozart
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MOMozartCaptain49,914 posts
07 Sept 2014, 04:56#21
We don't know for sure, either way. What we do know is the Boards biggest hypocrite is trying to score points off the incident...while being totally unsure himself.
Hell even the OOm, who claimed to know Thomas said we were probably duped.
And then these hypocrites try to blame his departure on other posters who expressed similar doubts.
It's a moot point in any case. There is no way an active RC player would be allowed to debate with the OOm on an open forum.
07 Sept 2014, 09:42#23
But unless someone knew this man personally, what would stop someone making a fake account under a players name ? People do that, I know they do and they would choose someone more random than one of your guys to try it out with.
Unless someone knew this Tomas personally, just checking if someone registered in his name hardly makes it a certainty, now does it ?
If someone wanted to play silly devils, they really managed it with this one !
GEgeneraltit
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07 Sept 2014, 10:47#24
Becs you have a point...not sure what details are demanded by the moderator/editor/admin when joining...cannot remember but as you say these can easily be fraudulent.
However,impersonating another person is a serious offence, let alone a well known one.
Tomas plays at Racing Metro and amongst his team mates are 5 South African players, Juandre Kruger,Brian Mujati,Jacques Cronje,Frans v d Merwe and Johan Goosen and their friends and associates are wide in rugby circles and sarugby.com is no doubtedly read by many of them and such detrimental exposure and derogatory gossip would surely get noticed immediately let alone over time and you can bet your bottom dollar that if an imposter posted on this public page, Tomas would get to know about it, very quickly and correct it to prevent his name and reputation being tarnished, that you can be very sure of.
What I think has happened is Tomas is peeded off by the doubting comments and immature behaviour of some that he simply walked away from this nonsense and is busy with playing and has no time for people who he regards as fools and idiots.
This forum can be it's own worse enemy and I believe these doubting Thomases (no pun intended) have put him off for good.
An imposter would have been exposed, the rugby circles are small and players do a lot of talking amongst themselves.
07 Sept 2014, 11:02#25
I can't remember what details are required either. I was registered here years ago, long before the renewal of the Board, so I have no idea.
But I know anyone can do anything in cyberspace !
I have known many players over the years and I can honestly say, none of them have joined Boards like this. If they had, they would have done so as a joke and under another players name !!!
And the speech pattern etc was from a decent, if not fluent, colloquial English speaker. So I don't know much about this chap, but, the chap you were all speaking to was a decent English speaker and writer. He had good syntax and nuances.
GEgeneraltit
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07 Sept 2014, 11:42#26
Becs said;
"I have known many players over the years and I can honestly say, none of
them have joined Boards like this. If they had, they would have done so
as a joke and under another players name !!"
This is true, however but remember Tomas was very young and not well known and perhaps a little naive and not street wise with a trusting nature at the time. Crumbs he was 19/20 years old at the time...what does anybody know at this age in this treacherous and dangerous world!
He simply loves rugby and wanted to chat with South Africans fans whom the Argentinian rugby fans have a sort of bond with...only natural.
And he posted under "Ole Cruz"...he never advertised his real name and was reluctant initially to do so but was enticed by a forum member if I remember correctly.
A big mistake he realises now, his folly, because public opinion is folly and can never be trusted. Rather like a young lion amongst a pack of hyenas...they really don't mix very well, do they !
07 Sept 2014, 12:11#27
Or he was someone playing you ?
Both options are possible ? And plausible.
I didn't ever speak to him but I saw some of the comments.
I am just very suspicious by nature !!!
GEgeneraltit
Pro3,164 posts
07 Sept 2014, 12:30#28
Well my folly is that I've always been a trusting person and as a result it's makes me a happier person but I've had my fingers burnt at times...but that's what I prefer to be. It also brings a lot of happiness although I would be richer today...lolz
07 Sept 2014, 12:32#29
I am an old cynic and do not trust anyone.
If Mr S were here today, he could tell you that was true.....