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13 Apr 2015, 17:17
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13 Apr 2015, 17:17#1
15 - Jesse Kriel (Bulls): The youngster showed off what an attacking threat he can be in an open game. He brings a new, and welcome, dimension to the Bulls backline and could be a surprise Bok bolter.Bubbling under: Ben Smith (Highlanders)  14 - Francois Hougaard (Bulls): His scrumhalf play has been criticized in the past, but his wing play was superb against the Reds as he racked up two tries with great finishing instincts.Bubbling under: Waisake Naholo (Highlanders)  13 - Juan de Jongh (Stormers): He has not yet set this Super Rugby season alight as he did in the Currie Cup last year, but his performance against the Waratahs was well rounded and impressive.Bubbling under: Malakai Fekitoa (Highlanders)  12 - Damian de Allende (Stormers): De Allende has been one of the form South Africa players this season, and should be a certainty for the Bok No.12 spot if Jean de Villiers is not fit.Bubbling under: Harold Vorster (Lions)  11 - Nemani Nadolo (Crusaders): The power-house Fijian is always a destructive force, even if the Crusaders are not winning. He causes problems every time he gets hands on the ball.Bubbling under: Raymond Rhule (Cheetahs)  10 - Lima Sopoaga (Highlanders): Has been a steady presence in an impressive Highlanders backline, but this week he really shone as he ran the show from pivot.Bubbling under: Colin Slade (Crusaders)  9 - Francois de Klerk (Lions): The nippy scrumhalf was a real handful in a pulsating game against the Sharks. He impressed last year, and looks like he may have his form back.Bubbling under: Will Genia (Reds)  8 - Jerome Kaino (Blues): An incredible athlete who is always at the heart of anything good coming from the Blues - not surprising to see him perform so well in their first win of the season.Bubbling under: Kieran Read (Crusaders)  7 - Matt Todd (Crusaders): Has really grown into a formidable player as the season has gone on. Richie McCaw's absence in the No.7 jumper is not so devastating with this man waiting in the wings. Bubbling under: Liam Gill (Reds)  6 - Heinrich Brussow (Cheetahs): It might just be the biggest injustice of the year if Brussow's name is not read out when the Springboks name their squad for the World Cup.Bubbling under: Schalk Burger (Stormers)  5 - Franco Mostert (Lions): Such an underrated player, but such an important one. Like many of the Lions men, he will give everything he has to their cause.Bubbling under: Patrick Tuipulotu (Blues)  4 - Eben Etzebeth (Stormers): The big Springbok hard-man looks to be coming into some good form just at the right time - hopefully he stays injury free as to be a force in the World Cup.Bubbling under: Jacques du Plessis (Bulls)  3 - Coenie Oosthuizen (Cheetahs): Another player who has played himself back into sublime form. His scrumming is far stronger, and his carrying and defence is as massive as it has always been.Bubbling under: Ben Alexander (Brumbies)  2 - Stephan Moore (Brumbies): The experienced Wallaby head proved what an asset he is to the Brumbies, even though they went down to the Blues, with his leadership and dependability.Bubbling under: Siyabonga Ntubeni (Stormers)  1 - Steven Kitshoff (Stormers): A rock for the Stormers scrum, a dependable defender and a strong ball carrier - there is no shirking duties for this all-action prop.Bubbling under: Jacques van Rooyen (Lions)  Our individual selections!
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13 Apr 2015, 17:38
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13 Apr 2015, 17:38#2

What the hell did de Jongh do to deserve the selection......a grab for the intercept, big deal.......he got exposed physically going for a low hard tackle......that selection is a joke.

 

Mapoe was better than de Jongh for a start

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13 Apr 2015, 17:40
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13 Apr 2015, 17:40#3
 7 - Matt Todd (Crusaders): Has really grown into a formidable player as the season has gone on. Richie McCaw's absence in the No.7 jumper is not so devastating with this man waiting in the wings. Bubbling under: Liam Gill (Reds)  6 - Heinrich Brussow (Cheetahs): It might just be the biggest injustice of the year if Brussow's name is not read out when the Springboks name their squad for the World Cup.Bubbling under: Schalk Burger (Stormers)  5 - Franco Mostert (Lions): Such an underrated player, but such an important one. Like many of the Lions men, he will give everything he has to their cause.Bubbling under: Patrick Tuipulotu (Blues)  4 - Eben Etzebeth (Stormers): The big Springbok hard-man looks to be coming into some good form just at the right time - hopefully he stays injury free as to be a force in the World Cup.Bubbling under: Jacques du Plessis (Bulls)  3 - Coenie Oosthuizen (Cheetahs): Another player who has played himself back into sublime form. His scrumming is far stronger, and his carrying and defence is as massive as it has always been.Bubbling under: Ben Alexander (Brumbies)  2 - Stephan Moore (Brumbies): The experienced Wallaby head proved what an asset he is to the Brumbies, even though they went down to the Blues, with his leadership and dependability.Bubbling under: Siyabonga Ntubeni (Stormers)  1 - Steven Kitshoff (Stormers): A rock for the Stormers scrum, a dependable defender and a strong ball carrier - there is no shirking duties for this all-action prop.Bubbling under: Jacques van Rooyen (Lions)  Our individual selections!
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13 Apr 2015, 17:40
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13 Apr 2015, 17:40#4
No he wasn't.  
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13 Apr 2015, 17:52
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13 Apr 2015, 17:52#5

Yes he was and by some distance......as was Sadie in fact.......de Jongh's pathetic tackle, being exposed for the little guy he is, cost the Stormers a try - FACT

 

But here are the stats

 

de Jongh 28m gained, 2 clean breaks, 0 defenders beaten, 1 off load, 2 turnovers conceded, 7 tackles made, 2 missed

 

Mapoe 70m gained, 2 clean breaks, 3 defenders beaten, 4 off loads, 1 turnover conceded, 4 tackles made, 2 missed

 

Sadie 58m gained, 2 clean breaks, 0 defenders beaten, 2 off loads, 1 turnover conceded, 3 tackles made, 0 missed

 

Mapoe was the best 13 of the 3 followed by Sadie.......whoever selected de Jongh ahead of these 2 is a twit......but not to mention his selection ahead of the Reds 13........and I did not even watch the other games where no SA teams were involved.

 

de Jongh was average and conceded a try......his selection is a joke

 

 

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13 Apr 2015, 18:06
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13 Apr 2015, 18:06#6
Mozart
With all due respect I think Kerevi of the Reds  was twice the player  De Jongh was.  There is no way that a person cannot cedit De Jongh for the intercept that led to De Allende's try
However, look at Kerevi's stats and tell me why De Jongh was better than Kerevi.   It was not even close - since one of De Jongh's missed tackles let to a try by the Waratahs.        
Kerevi0/000/7/1411025004/01/000/0
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13 Apr 2015, 18:15
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13 Apr 2015, 18:15#7
 Mozart on other thing - the 5 monkeys who makes the picks are messing up bigtime.   In New Zealand and Australia the openside flank has number 7 on their backs, but in SA sides the number 6 jersey belongs to the opensiders.   The numbers for the  blindside flank is obviously the other way around.
If they want to be professional - as a SA journalist group - they can use the opensider  as the number 6 - but then they must consider the opensiders ( the number 7's) of NZ and Aus also in  that position.   In the case of the blindsiders they have to look at the SA number 7's and the NZ and Australian no 6's.
One would have thought they would have figured that one out already - but the fact that they have not shows how utterly unprofessional and in fact stupid they are.  That is one reason why I never take their selections seriously.    
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13 Apr 2015, 19:19
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13 Apr 2015, 19:19#8

De Jongh did very well against top quality opposition.....he was given positives for his role in organizing the defence. A point that was made again and again by the often not generous Aussie commentators.  And how can you not give him credit for the intercept, it was a match winning piece of handling skill. If Stepfontein was that agile we would hear about it for weeks.

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13 Apr 2015, 20:36
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13 Apr 2015, 20:36#9
 Serfontein made an interception against England... Is also a much better player as well
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13 Apr 2015, 21:11
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13 Apr 2015, 21:11#10
de Jongh was bog ordinary......and missed a standard tackle that lead to a try. He missed the tackle because of his lack of physicality.
Mapoe and Sadie were better than him.
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13 Apr 2015, 22:23
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13 Apr 2015, 22:23#11

Fine....Mapoe is great, Sadie is great ....Stepfontein is great. Wonderful players those three....I paricularly liked Mapoe's  effort against the great Murray. Man that's tough opposition.

 

 

Oops, I forgot Murray was one of Dave's golden boys. How did that work out for you Dave.....hahahahaha.

 

As for Step being a better player, based on what....a whole test season of nothing? Bog ordinary.....slow, predictable, a poor read of the game....what does he bring to the party? Hell de Jongh even steps better than Steppie!

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13 Apr 2015, 22:39
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13 Apr 2015, 22:39#12
 Just as with wee matfiled the down under types will of course be touting De Jongh who sho uld never come near a Bok side
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13 Apr 2015, 22:43
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13 Apr 2015, 22:43#13
Actually Serfontein was one of our best test backs last season despite playing out of position at 13.
Your take on his speed is about as accurate as that on Esterhuizen.....that break of his soon put pay to your inaccurate take on his speed.
Serfontein is twice the player de Jongh is.
Neither Mapoe or Sadie are great they were just better than de Jongh last weekend.
As for Murray he was good in his day....that day is long gone. Injuries stood in the way of him ever showing his true worth....he should not be starting for the Sharks and neither should the physical liability that is de Jongh for the Stormers.
Wee de Jongh got physically exposed yet again unless you have some logical explanation for that pathetic miss??
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13 Apr 2015, 23:59
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13 Apr 2015, 23:59#14

Esterhosen and Steppie are zeroes....just like your previous picks Dave ie  JJ, Wynand and  Murray. You seem to have no feel for centres. Kriel is way better than JJ and De Allende is way better than Step and proved it earlier this S15.

 

De Jongh is probably half a notch below test class, but is a better s15 centre than Step, JJ and Esterhosen.

 

He played a huge role in that win over last years champions. When have Step, JJ or Esterhosen ever made a positive difference.

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14 Apr 2015, 05:22
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14 Apr 2015, 05:22#15
 Mozart
Based on performances this year my center selections would be as follows:-
No 12  -  De Allende, Vorster, Odendaal, SerfonteinNo 13  -  De Allende, Kriel, Vorster, Odendaal, Serfontein
My problem is none of the players listed under 13 has played in that position this year in Super 15 and three of the 13's listed are very young.
With his very dubious defense record of the past and this year I do not think that De Jongh features anywhere.  He is also poor in attacking play (one intercept is not enough to change that scenario) - he is a finisher more than anything else.  
I cannot see Francois Steyn being of any value as well unless there is a massive change in performance after his return from his ban.    His performances since his return from France in 2012 were so questionable any massive improvement will be a miracle.   As the situation stands at the moment I would say that my personal preference would be for the selection of De Allende at 12 and Kriel at 13, with one of the other players listed on the bench.   
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14 Apr 2015, 05:44
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14 Apr 2015, 05:44#16
De Allende/Kriel is an appealing combination. Gone is the athletic mediocrity of Step...no room for the tentative shirt clinging tackles of JJ. Instead we get two fast, aggressive young centres.
The only problem is they have zero test caps...limited time at centre even in the S15. Now some might say that doesn't matter....but it does. 
This will all have to be resolved on the field of play. De Allende is probably a lock at centre. But if Frans wants to be part of the mix, he will have to stake his claim. Or for that matter Step will have to throw off the cloak of anonymity. And crucially Kriel will have to show us what he can actually do at 13, which means JJ has to be put out of his misery.
The remainder of the S15 is all the experimenting time we have....after that we have to bed down our team.
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14 Apr 2015, 05:59
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14 Apr 2015, 05:59#17
 I do not think Ludeke will easily change his stance on the issue of playing an outside center.  He may probably get rid of JJ - but in that case he may bring in Small-Smith or  Odendaal ahead of Kriel as outside center or move Serfontein to 13 and keep Odendaal at 12.  The reason is that the Bulls are still in the run for a place in the play-offs and he does not have a reliable fullback other than Kriel available.    

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14 Apr 2015, 09:45
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14 Apr 2015, 09:45#18
 It would be madness (by any coach) to move Kriel to 13 and put Visser back in at 15, at this stage of the Bulls' season. Not if he (Kriel) is (at this stage) a better 15 than Willie le Roux. My opinion.
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14 Apr 2015, 10:56
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Bullshit......Serfontein is the best young 12 in the game and a Bok incumbent already.......your take on him is a load of crap.......much like it is with Esterhuizen........centre is one position I know well having played there most of my life.


One certainty is that de Jongh is not an option and never will be purely because of his size......the game has moved on from little centres, you need to move on in terms of recognising this very fact.


As for Olivier, he was as good as any of the centres we have and lived in the shadow of Jean who was better.....he was always my back-up 12. A damn fine centre.


 

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14 Apr 2015, 16:22
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14 Apr 2015, 16:22#20
Serfontein is not the best young centre in the game....he is not even the best young centre at the Bools, Odendaal has certainly made a stronger impression. Step is a nothing, just like JJ. You would save yourself a lot of aggro by simply listening to me this time Dave.
Vlag you are right of course about shifting Kriel...from the Bool's perspective. From the Bok perspective we really are thin at 13 and better served at 15. I still think Lambie is better at 15, and Willie probably needs a break. It's hard to be a magic man every week, but I'm still a believer. Folau and Dagg have been through similar phases and bounced back.
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14 Apr 2015, 16:28
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14 Apr 2015, 16:28#21
Serfontein's first season of Super Rugby has eclipsed De Jong's full career. 
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14 Apr 2015, 16:32
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14 Apr 2015, 16:32#22
 I agree that we are thin at 13 but so are we at 15. Yes, Lambie is there to cover at 15 but is it not more healthy to have a regular 15 to cover for the fullback rather than having a regular 10 doing that? When it comes to the RWC I would rather have horses for courses as far as possible. I know that Kriel is very good at 13 but why take him out of the current "fullback frame of mind" especially when he is doing so well in the position?
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14 Apr 2015, 16:46
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14 Apr 2015, 16:46#23
No Moz, Serfontein is the best young centre in the game......Odendaal is another class act but Jan is far better  
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14 Apr 2015, 17:07
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14 Apr 2015, 17:07#24
Dave/Shezza would that you chaps were right. It would be great if Step were the answer, a young player as the long term Jean replacement. Sadly I don't see the physicality, the explosiveness or the accomplishments after two years.
Vlag your logic is sound. I'm just afraid we will end up with de Allende at 13, when he is so right as our version of SBW at 12.


 
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14 Apr 2015, 17:16
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I am right......he is stronger than most, its a strength of his.....hardly lacking physicality at 98kg.


Is far better equipped to beat a man one on one than Jean ever was......Jean was always about running good lines or anticipating the intercept......he was never about stepping the man or beating him on the outside.......Stef can step either way, much like Odendaal can.


Stef was messed around by Meyer last year playing 13 but he still stood tall.


Class act this kid......has achieved far more than Jean did aged 21 and will go on to be better than Jean for he is more skilful  

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14 Apr 2015, 17:17
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14 Apr 2015, 17:17#26
 What is worse/best? Serf @12 and DA @13, or DA @12 and Serf @13?
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14 Apr 2015, 17:20
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You need pace at 13, de Allende is quicker than Jan......therefore the obvious choice for a coach in the know is to have Serf at 12 and de Allende at 13.


Serf to create, de Allende to finish, with the added advantage to create for those around him.


Playing Serf at 13 is as bad as playing Jean at 13.....never worked  

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14 Apr 2015, 20:46
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14 Apr 2015, 20:46#28
As a matter of curiosity apart from the Oz test where he beat old man Sharpe and the intercept against the Poms, what did he actually do to convince that he is even in Jean's class at 21. Name one memorable thing he did against the ABs, Ireland, Wales....hell Italy?
This strikes me as a pipe dream. 
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14 Apr 2015, 21:05
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14 Apr 2015, 21:05#29
I'm never one for particular moments in a match all I know is Serf was one of our best backs last year playing out of position....evidenced by Meyers high praise for the lad.
Aged 21 Jean was nothing at test level
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14 Apr 2015, 22:05
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14 Apr 2015, 22:05#30
 Meyer had high praise for Victor Matfield as well.
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14 Apr 2015, 23:53
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14 Apr 2015, 23:53#31
This is a pretty fiction  Dave, but it bears no relation to reality. Jean was wiped out in his first  test early in the game. He missed the whole next international season. So apart  from 10 minutes against France, he was 23 when he started test rugby.
But what an impact! In his next 10 tests he scored nine tries! With some splendid long range efforts against Oz and NZ. 
Nothing we have seen in Step's first 10 tests even begins to compare. In his first 20 tests he scored two tries. Exactly 12 per cent of Jean's strike rate. Eina!
Talent vs honest effort. A touch of genius vs a touch of plodding.
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15 Apr 2015, 00:16
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15 Apr 2015, 00:16#32
 I am not particularly interested in this discussion of Serfontein.   Both sides are taking extreme positions and Serfontein is not as bad as some makes him out to be and not as good as Dave makes him out to be.  
To my mind Serfontein is wrongly used by the Bulls.  Some would say that Odendaal is in the same situation, but I disagree.   Serfontein has been changed by the Bulls from a very skilled player into a crashballing robot, while Odendaal has thus far not been remodeled.   Unfortunately that Bulls deficiency situation has to a substantial extent washed over to his international career and I am sure that he is not feared by players opposing him - unlike De Allende who is.
I am quite sure that in present form Serfontein would not be the first-choice no 12 of the Springboks and there may be strong competition for the number 13 spot from Jesse Kriel.   So whether Serfontein would progress further and cement  his no 12 position depends entirely on himself and his performances in Super 15 this year.
But there is the serious immediate threat of De Allende and the medium term threats of Vorster and Odendaal to content with as well.   Personally based on present performances and the need to develop at least two other players to play in the critical number 13 jersey - I would rather have Kriel/Vorster/Odendaal being  developed into the future no 13 centers we need desperately.                    
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15 Apr 2015, 00:43
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15 Apr 2015, 00:43#33
If you aren't fast enough to take the outside gap, you have to step inside. Once the opposition know, for certain, that's all you can do....they defend it easily.and all that's left for the stepper, is crash ball. It has zero to do with the Bools, zero with the coaching,zero with the Boks....it's the place slow steppers inevitably end up. Read Barrett, read Wynand Olivier, read Stepfontein.
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15 Apr 2015, 01:23
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15 Apr 2015, 01:23#34
 Mozart
Sorry - but you are wrong.   The Bulls game plan allows for only one line of play for centers - run straight at the first defender and if you can make an impact then it would work - otherwise recover the ball from the breakdown situation after the crashball.  They have done that for years and to state that it is the fault of individual players are way off.  The other problem for the Bulls was the Morne  Steyn kicking game syndrome which further impacted negatively on backline play.   Morne was harmless from an attacking perspective  and even when he passed balls - the defenders would be on top of the recipient by the time he got the ball.
I do nor write off Serfontein as a player in the way you do - he has a future but not while he plays for the Bulls.           
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15 Apr 2015, 04:12
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15 Apr 2015, 04:12#35
Okay. So I get it. If  the coaching was better Step would be a potent attacking option, he would read the game, up his energy level, and score tries. 
This all assumes the coach makes the players, when there is so much evidence that the players make the coach. 
Did Coetzee create Etzebeth, or did the availability of Etzebeth shape Coetzee's forward success?
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15 Apr 2015, 06:02
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15 Apr 2015, 06:02#36
 There is a difference between bulk - coupled to athleticism  - is adding value to players amongst the forwards and one player amongst those can add value - but its not the only component necessary.   Etzebeth is a key part of the Tight 5, but not the only part of the combination that this year has given the Stormers the edge in Tight 5 play.  The props and the other lock is of importance as well.
That being said a player can be destructive in the smaller Tight 5 unit - when he does weaken that unit - like the case is with Matfield - and if the props are not top calibre it gets worse. 
In the backline it is more a case of individuality and that is where individual coaching in enhancement of abilities, a proper game plan and enhancement of player decisionmaking is essential.   Coaching is of far greater importance and lack of it is ultimately the problem with most backline players.   As stated earlier players with skills can enhance those skills through coaching - skill-deficient players do not benefit from such coaching  since they could not be taught skills where there is none.                 
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15 Apr 2015, 10:01
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15 Apr 2015, 10:01#37
" The other problem for the Bulls was the Morne  Steyn kicking game syndrome which further impacted negatively on backline play.   Morne was harmless from an attacking perspective  and even when he passed balls - the defenders would be on top of the recipient by the time he got the ball."

Uhm... Let's just look at this statement....

2008 - 2013 When Morne was playing for the Bulls... They scored 254 tries, at an average of 42 per season...
69% of the tries were scored by the backs during that period...

2014 (Morne not playing) 28 tries in total
Only 46% were scored by the backs

2015 (so far) 18 tries
61% scored by the backs...
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15 Apr 2015, 10:08
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15 Apr 2015, 10:08#38

Jean played on the wing when he started, he scored many easy finishing tries.....there was no magic created from centre.


Look I rated Jean, he is our best 12 since readmission.......my call is that Serfontein will be better as he is more gifted  

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15 Apr 2015, 10:47
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15 Apr 2015, 10:47#39
 The Trooth Fairy
The other day you went ballistic since I said that basically Naas Botha was a very good tactician and that his kicks were not aimless nor inaccurate.   Naas played during an era when line kicks could be launched from anywhere in the field of play directly into touch and that made him a better kicking player at 10.  Fact is that Naas was also able to read games and was not only depending on a kicking game. 
Steyn is a hopeless case of inaccurate and aimless kicking - without Naas's ability to read games and a hopeless pivot without any personal attacking abilities.   That is why he was found to be totally inadequate by his present club.
Now you come up with statistics about the scoring of tries by backline players in the time when Steyn was flyhalf and when he was not.  That is about as unscientific a basis as Mozart's is about the Francois Steyn flyhalf situation is for the Sharks.    It does not mean that the flyhalf is necessarily involved in backline try scoring - tries are often scored by players without the flyhalf touching the ball at all.   However, your average try tally per year  is abysmal for a Super 15 team.   Most Super 15 teams score up to double that number of tries per season.
Lets cut it down further - 69% of 42 tries represents 29 tries er year scored by backline players on average - ie less than 2 tries per game - mostly about one try a game.    That is abysmal if the four tries scored by backline players on Saturday by the Stormers is taken as an example.
So your stats do not really prove anything positive about Morne's ability as a flyhalf - he still remained one of the worst flyhalfs we had over the past decade in any Super 15 team.                  

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15 Apr 2015, 13:09#40
I did post on this elsewhere, but the Bulls have scored the second most points this season so far, only the Crusaders have scored more. Considering how boring their game plan is, i found that quite surprising.
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