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After Erasmus saved the Springboks from destruction -what about other codes of sport

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
05 Dec 2020, 01:42
#41
05 Dec 2020, 01:42#41
Carter was good but Barrett is better The art of rugby is beating defenders and Carter does not come close to Barrett in this regard - not even close Barrett with ball in hand is the best on the planet, Carter was never that Given the choice - I’d not even think twice - Barrett every day
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
05 Dec 2020, 03:37
#42
05 Dec 2020, 03:37#42

The 6  greatest fly halves in rugby history:


2. Dan Carter, New Zealand2 OF 7

    There is not much that Dan Carter has not achieved in the game, and though he was absent through injury for New Zealand's World Cup triumph in 2011, there is no doubt he has been their key back for the past decade.

    Carter has everything: a superb kicking game, a beautifully balanced running game and a sound defence. Everything he does he does efficiently, and like all great players, he appears to always have time on the ball. 

    Such is Carter's genius that he has kept some exceptionally talent rivals for the All Blacks jersey on the sidelines, players such as Nick Evans and his current stand-in Aaron Cruden. 

    One of the many highlights of his outstanding career so far undoubtedly came in the second Test of the British and Irish Lions 2005 tour of New Zealand when he scored two tries and amassed 33 points as the All Blacks put the tourists to the sword. 

    Carter plans to take a well-earned break from the game after this year's Rugby Championship, and there will be many opponents glad to see the back of him—for now, at least


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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
05 Dec 2020, 08:19
#43
05 Dec 2020, 08:19#43

Mozart

Nobody said that Carter was not a great at flyhalf, what was said is that by 2015 was not as good as he used to be in his prime.   By the way Mozart - you make a big song about Carter being selected as Player of the Year, but when the panel selected Du Toit in 2019 you were  totally opposed to the election for stupid reasons of yourself?   How do you add those difference  up when it comes to panel selection in those two cases.        

The fact is that you have a distorted mind when it comes to rugby and that came out with Rassie withdrawing from the WC coaching staff in 2007.   Have you any proof of what happened that caused the withdrawal?

Was it a serious difference of approach between White and him about coaching that caused the withdrawal?   Erasmus is a person with a brilliant relationship with the players - White was a teacher in his attitude with a rather dictatorial approach  and a seriously problematic relationship with the management and players.    

Erasmus has a brilliant rugby mind that made him totally different from and superior to White as a coach,   Players would walk through a wall for him while White's relationship with them caused  obedience and not necessarily loyalty,   That is provable by facts,  

In essence White's attitude probably caused a breakdown  in relationship and e departure was probably caused by White rather than Erasmus.          .    



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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
05 Dec 2020, 11:22
#44
05 Dec 2020, 11:22#44

The happy-clappy mentality of South Africans is what makes them inferior to virtually everyone on the world stage. It's also why Jake actually has a better record of success than Rassie. The pat on the back approach only works under certain conditions, such as 1995 when Kitch only had to man-manage an already loaded group. Has Rassie developed players? Who has improved under him? Damian is worse, Steph is just as flawed as before, Kolisi was actually much worse, Willie's output has dropped significantly. What has he done exactly, made players more smiley? Is that really what we are going for? Is that how one expects to be taken seriously on the world stage? I couldn't care less if Rassie had a difference of opinion with Jake. Your little narrative is dangerously close to being another shlpott to the face. You never learn. 

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
05 Dec 2020, 13:20
#45
05 Dec 2020, 13:20#45

Your assessment is based on your normal unsubstantiated BS and falsified stats you use on site,  I have learned a lot in my life - while you have not.   Objectivity is essential and you are too much in the kindergarten to have developed that.   Jake was an acceptable coach  with serious deficiencies.   He had no idea about backline play and had to bring Jones on board to save him in the 2007 WC.  

Player for player the 2019 WC team was better than the 2007 team and the reason was instead of regressing in performance of players they all performed better than under his predecessors.   Meyer nearly destroyed Pollard and De Allende and  that is a fact,   Erasmus stayed with De Allende and most observers picked him as the best center in the world in the 2019 WC series,  Pollar d got over his problems under Erasmus,   All the forwards were better under Erasmus,

Du Toit is the World Player of the year selected by a panel of experts and you are a complete moron to think otherwise - but then we know by now that you are a total rugby void  in that half empty brain cavity of yours,   One calls that Idiot Supremacy Disease,      

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
05 Dec 2020, 22:49
#46
05 Dec 2020, 22:49#46

They had to give it to a South African....and given all the hype from the South African press it was easy to give it to DudToit. He wasn’t even mentioned among the 20 best before the WC and did nothing of note except the pick and go against the ABs.

Carter by contrast was directly linked to the ABs win...especially in the final and would have been in the top 20 before ....chalk and cheese.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
06 Dec 2020, 05:34
#47
06 Dec 2020, 05:34#47

Nutcase 

None of what you ever wrote makes sense when it comes to Erasmus and some SA players.    The selection of Player of the Year relates to all test matches played in a year and not only the WC final.   There  was only one SA representative in the Panel that the non-thinking idiot who claims that the SA Press affected the thinking of 7 non-SA reps in the Panel is desperate to continue with his BS,

In any event  those 8 reps knows rugby and  see what really happens in games and di not consider performance evaluation based on player hatred and  bias - with strings of lies thrown into the mix.                  

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
06 Dec 2020, 05:55
#48
06 Dec 2020, 05:55#48

Hell Dud wasn’t even our best loosie at the WC .....that was Vermeulen, by a mile!

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
06 Dec 2020, 10:25
#49
06 Dec 2020, 10:25#49

How the hell do you rate players?    Vermeulen was consoidered as the best player in the WC final - but for the rest he had his limitations. and he was never nominated by anybody for candidacy when coming to the Player of the Year Award,   

You have never been objective in rating of players and often enough supported the selection of  Duds ahead of real performers.     That is why you always gets it wrong when it comes to player assessments and that is why you constantly suffer from Stupidity Disease when it comes to rugby. 

An example - a Panel of 8 international experts - with only one member from SA being in the panel - considered the selection and according to you the  other 7 was influenced  by media hype - which was never much in evidence even in SA anyway and was invented by you and that kindergarten imbecile AO as a reason  for the selection  of  Du Toit,   

All one can say - get rid of your prejudice and you may recognize the value of players and  not end up in the hole you created yourself.


  

          

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
06 Dec 2020, 10:25
#50
06 Dec 2020, 10:25#50

How the hell do you rate players?    Vermeulen was cons idered as the best player in the WC final - but for the rest he had his limitations. and he was never nominated by anybody for candidacy when coming to the Player of the Year Award,   

You have never been objective in rating of players and often enough supported the selection of  Duds ahead of real performers.     That is why you always gets it wrong when it comes to player assessments and that is why you constantly suffer from Stupidity Disease when it comes to rugby. 

An example - a Panel of 8 international experts - with only one member from SA being in the panel - considered the selection and according to you the  other 7 was influenced  by media hype - which was never much in evidence even in SA anyway and was invented by you and that kindergarten imbecile AO as a reason  for the selection  of  Du Toit,   

All one can say - get rid of your prejudice and you may recognize the value of players and  not end up in the hole you created yourself.


  

          

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
06 Dec 2020, 18:42
#51
06 Dec 2020, 18:42#51

Dud Toit was a team selection...he represented the team.....but I would have given it to the Pollard, the Beast or Vermeulen.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
06 Dec 2020, 18:58
#52
06 Dec 2020, 18:58#52

Mozart

It does not matter who nominated the the candidates - which was done before the final anyway 0 and it must be clearly stated that the Panel who decided was independent and  based their fonal decision on PERFORMANCE  and nothing else,  

If the team nominated Du Toit and Kolbe it is certain that they realized  the real value of the two players in the team,   Erasmus is an outstanding performance assessor and that is why he makes solid selections based on performance and Du Toit met all the requirements as a top class performer.     

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
06 Dec 2020, 19:51
#53
06 Dec 2020, 19:51#53

Okay so they followed the rules....and came up with Dud. No rugby man on the planet believes Dud was the best player in 2019....you do, which is fine if it makes you happy.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
06 Dec 2020, 20:18
#54
06 Dec 2020, 20:18#54

Mozart

If you base your observations on players on fact and  reality not based on prejudice many more people will believe you,   

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
06 Dec 2020, 20:18
#55
06 Dec 2020, 20:18#55

Mozart

If you base your observations on players on fact and  reality not based on prejudice many more people will believe you,   

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