And Down Went the Final Nail - Morne

brussouw was man alone against the lions pack. i do agree louw should not be dropped but i am more happy with the thought process of selecting a player that targets the breakdown. to that will give credit but im terms of effectiveness brussouw can match the best of them. he adds expierence and has proven as cat said against the lions and nz on many times he worth. the worth of a genuine openside flanker cant be measured. they do tend to get some stick in penalties but that is part of the life. playing the game to the limit.

pocock and mccaw has been on record stating that brussouw is among the best they have played against he comes with reputation and has proven over the years to be right up there. give him free reign with a pack like the boks to help and protect him we will cause massive damage to any teams attack and defense structures. louw is decent but we need brillant. also add brussouw 7's skills and you have a potent mix.

i have never seen brussouw standing back of being bumped of in tackle so this farce comments on him not being big enough is just one eyed to the extreme.

Brussouw seems to have lost pace since the inury and really, as Mike has said , there is nothing suggesting he needs a call up right now.

Since that lions tour it has been downhill I am afraid. Louw is at the moment is a far superior player. Its not even close. Now we have a loose trio bettering the abs and you want to bring in wee brussouw  no no no.

Good big un beats good little un yet again.

Brussow was the stanout loose forward in SA during the Super XV. Case closed.  

with all due respect have you followed louw in the english premiship beeno ???? he was apart from one game against wasps i think and do stand corrected was pretty much a no show for them so you are trying to compare  a player that is playing a slower poorer league to a player like brussouw that has not played a lot of rugby this year. your clutching at straws. you dont rate brussouw and i respect your view but the majority of the rugby public and those who understand the game will tell you that brussouw is something special. RWC last year case and point. was the main weapon in our games that we won.

he had his injury woes but on can only measure a player when he is back playing. he is just like juan smith in that he raises the players around him as well. we need the quick ball to give our players a chance to run into the space that wil be generated after we suck the players into the ruck and recycle the ball quickly to make us of those players missing in the defensive line. on defence slowing down the ball will have the counter effect of allowing defense to reorder and allign correctly.

So now Brussouw is better than Richie McCaw....a concensus great. And I suppose Pocock wasn't outplaying Brussouw before he left the park in the RWC. Pocock was probably cheating.

But back to the Morne issue. It's really quite simple. The reason he is never viewed as a running flyhalf, is because he never tries to beat a tackle....he certainly passes well, he makes good decisions......but until he is a threat ball in hand, he will always shift pressure onto the next player. Even Johnny Wilkinson, who is pretty much a stone, learned how to step. Morne has never tried to run.....even in matches the Bools dominate....he never runs.He could, he should, but he doesn't.

McCaw is the most technically flawed and worthless player I have ever seen. The Bismarck of New Zealand, but that silver fern makes all the difference. Look at the incident with Greyling, not one person has asked why McCaw was on his backside on the wrong side of the ruck. Just belly flopping from any angle is nothing to be admired. He is a disgrace to the game., inferior to Brussow in every way. 

As for Morne, he hasn't run often, but when he does it is more often than not positive. Like the Aussie test, two runs, one of which led to a try. Last year, in the game he was criticised for, but was far better than Lambie, he broke away to the blindside, stepped Beale and put Mvovo into space. There was also his break out against France in 2009, he thumped Jauzin onto his backside and ran it out of the 22. He can do these things, to say he can't is a lie. In fact, the players touted for running ability have done far less. Think no further than Lambie and Jantjies!

 

So  to summarize..

Richie McAw = worthless

patrick Lambie = coward

Morne Steyn = worlds greatest running flyhalf

Zane Kirchner = talented

Bismark Du Plessis = useless

U standing by all of those Retardcat?

McCaw a technically flawed, slow and sloppy cheat, nothing more.

Lambie a coward who AVOIDED FOUR tackles in a defeat to Australia. Did likewise against Ireland. Don't like it, then tough, it happened.

Morne Steyn, a solid fly half. Don't lie Duke.

Kirchner is indeed talented.

Bismarck consistently ranking top for turnovers conceded, penalties conceded, missed tackles and por lineout throws. Best in the world? Please explain, lol.

Duke, you really are a chop.  

Y u call me Duke? Do u feel like a peasant when u argue me?

Dont be too hard on him Hot one. He has a history of running away.

You must remember the one classical phrase of the Cat - "Morne has ball sense" .  That tells it all.   We all know he is one-dimensional without real ball sense.  Kirscner is a "talented player".   He really is clueless - what was he doing amongst the forwards trying to tackle (he missed the tackle anyway)  Hore on Saturday - and leaving no-one to try and stop the try of Dagg.   We know he is a poor defender who cannot pass balss - like the one he passede to Habaana on Saturday.  That perhaps is the reason why he always dies with the ball - he never passes balls and if he does the pass is widely inaccurate.   And as stated - he is often out of position.    Talented - what a distortion of the word!!!!!

Don't embarrass yourself Mike. You don't even know what ball sense means. It's quite clear from reading here that you are stretched too far in explaining most things. It sounds like you are quoting a textbook.

Do recall that Zane is the joint top for try assists in the super XV, alongside Aaron Cruden! This does cause a terrible contradiction to your statement that Kirchner never passes or cannot pass. And besides, no credible person could ever praise Lambie as a fullback then criticise Kirchner, seeing as Kirchner surpassed Lambie! Another contradiction.

 

The Cat

I explained to you comprehensively in the past - when you made that rificulous statement as to Morne's "ball sense" what the statement really means - but it must have gone striaght threou that empty brain of yours.   Now one more thing - what the hell was Kirchner doing amongst the forwards trying unsuccessfuly totackle Hore?   Can you please enlighten us all on that one.   Make it logical - distortion would be of no use.  His positional play is normally bad - but on Saturday it was diabolical.

Mike, the liar, the deceitful fool, you not once have got it right. And empty skull? Quite colourful choice of words considering I have had you on the ropes at every turn. You have explained nothing of the sort and what little you have tried to copy from whatever source has been contextually flawed to the extreme.

Now as for Kirchner on Hore, for a start, Kirchner made a successful tackle. Secondly, he was in positioning is quite easily understood to anyone who has ever played the game. So here it is, as clear and decisive as always:

 It's a restart after a Morne penalty, Cruden kicks it midway into Bok territory. Beast gathers and goes immediately to ground presenting the ball cleanly to Pienaar as Strauss stands guard over him. Pienaar with a box kick near the New Zealand 22m line with Kirchner chasing. The kick is too long and the chasers are not able to close down Dagg who is the recipient. Dagg passes inwards to Savea with Hougaard and Kirchner no more than 2.5 to 3m in front of him. Kirchner and Hougaard begin sweeping inwards to track the ball movement down the line. Savea sends a long pass out to Conrad Smith who is on the outside of Jean, the Boks keep drifting strongly, but Smith decides to step inside Jean and get in behind the back of a flat footed Duane. Fortunately, Kirchner was tracking the ball and is on hand to cover and tackles Smith putting him cleanly to ground giving Louw an opportunity to attack the ball, which he fails to do. Weepu passes from the base to Dagg and he runs across the face of the defence, he passes inside to Hore who charges passed Beast and Jannie. Fortunately, Kirchner was again tracking back after the prior ruck which he just left to plug another hole. He bumps Hore, then puts him cleanly to ground. Kirchner does not join the ruck, but instead stands back covering the centre of the field as Pienaar sweeps in behind the defensive line tracking the ball. The All Blacks breach the first line of defence as Dagg stands up Strauss leaving Whitelock powering through an isolated Hougaard tackle. Whitelock offloads to Read who is in space, he then charges at Pienaar, the sweeper, with Strauss behind him. Both manage to bring him down, but as he hits the ground he sends an offload to Dagg who then proceeds to dot down for a try. 

 In fact, the player who was covering the back here was Morne, and Kirchner - who was covering the centre of the field - had to communicate quite strongly to him to cover the Dagg break. This was easily Morne's worst moment in the game. Of course there were a series of gaffs on defence, but that one could have allowed us to scrammble and relieve pressure. You missed a trick here in your haste you lambast Kirchner! Mike, you really screwed up this time. 

The Cat

Really a stout defence of a clueless full back whose positional play is as a rule hopeless and  was severely questioned in this case.   Kirchner was always trying to be anywhere and consequently in reality nowhere.   There was enough time for the clueless Kirchner to get back into position - but had to try amongst the forwards to tackle Hore - never necessary because there were enough forwards to take care of Hore - enough time to get back into position.  Hore brushed pass his feeble attempt and then he ambled slowly back towards his position, where he should have been in the first instance seeing where the ball was going  - where he should have been in the first place.   Don't blame Morne for this - he has enough on his plate already and cannot be the flyhalf and full back simultaneously.

The useless Kirchner is the bad one here - clueless and no ball sense whatsoever.   

Mike, I literally can't stop laughing. I can see you have been reading up on defensive positions, basic defensive positions. You haven't read up on how the back three work in tendem from different facets of play or about the inter-relation between the half backs and them. You got yourself very stuck here, you can watch the game as many times as you want, little use if you don't know what you are looking at, lol!! Oh Mike, you are a tonic.  

The Cat

Laugh as much as you like - I think it is more like one of an idiot - who knows nothing about link play as well.   Kirchner was thinking he is a loosie - probably with enough loose nuts to fill a drawer.   Useless clueless nut case there - does not know anything about positional play.

Still no real answer of my question - just a pathetic attempt to side-track the issue. 

Link play - my ass - no link play when the opposition has the ball.   Wht a joke you are - really funny-peculiar.

Mike, you just don't get it. You ran your mouth off and were exposed, again. You keep jumping from one topic to the other making a fool of yourself. You asked fof the details, I gave it to you. The problem is that you are well out of your depth. You use terminology you do not understand, spurt definitions that are unrelated to the topic or contextually flawed, it all adds up to you being quite clueless. Game, set and match. Endut.  

The problem is that you are well out of your depth. You use terminology you do not understand, spurt definitions that are unrelated to the topic or contextually flawed, it all adds up to you being quite clueless.

Now who does that sound like? oh thats right it sounds just like RETARDCAT!!!!!!

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!

Oh Dook, I would take that more seriously had you actually given at least one insight on anything rugby related.  Best be off back to SuperSupporter, with your tail between your legs. There's a good chap.  

The Cat

Now that really is rich.  First link play - now defensive positions.   Blaas my siel - but where in any manual does it say a full back should stand amongst forwards as a defensive ploy.

Get real or you will expose yourself as a dumbo even further.   Rather admit you have no answer than to write absolute bullshit.    A full back should take up standard defensive positions in such an event - learn and shut up - best advice to you.  

That's exactly where you fail. This is unstructured play Mike, you won't find this on a basic review sheet of defensive duties. Kirchner chased the kick, followed the ball and had the good sense to be on hand twice to prevent massive break-aways. You do not understand how the rest of the players were covering and what was going on. You completely and utterly screwed up on this one.

"A full back should take up standard defensive positions"

... in structured play. Yes, I know, very well do I know these things. Unfortunately things do not work out so smoothly in reality and you need to deal with that, hence Morne covered the back. It's a similar scenario to scrumhalf, what if he is in a ruck? In a team coached by you, nobody would know what to do. They'd just bleat, "An scrumharf arez suppose der b in da standerd posisie ek se" and play would grind to a hault. As said, you have been exposed, badly. Your chief gaff to date.
 

Cat - my friend

I need urgent help - I am suffering from uncontrollable fits of laughter and it is serious - I will have to phone afor an ambulance and need the clinical description for that problem.

And you caused it all.

In any play - strucutured or not any decent full back should make sure he is - or shall return to his natural defensive position as quickly as possible - not loiter around amongst the forwards.    Vut then in this case we have a full back with zero idea about positional play and absolutely no ball sense.

Sorry but you have strong competition in your gaffs - the most idiotic being th following:-

Morn has ball sense

Kirchner was in a link play situation - whilst the opposition had the ball

Kirchner took up a defensive position amongst the forwards in unstructured play.

Let them come - I specialize in collecting idiocies and love and treasure them.     I really enjoy absurdities  - was that not what Mr Bennett said in Pride and Prejudice. 

Better admit defeat - otherwise I will end up in hospital dieing from laughter fits.

Your post is littered with very curious mutterings Mike.

 First of all, you don't simply keep your fullback out in the back field. And there are in fact principles that are followed when your fullback is tied up, as was the case here. You just cannot grasp these things Mike, and the weird terminology you use just adds to the bizarre mess you come up with.  Had you not noted that Dagg was entering the line? That the fullback, Kirchner, was sweeping? That Morne had covered the back field as Kirchner was the chaser? There is a very definite pattern of play here in how they were positioned, and it's quite clear that they were doing their assigned duties. 

"I specialize in collecting idiocies and love and treasure them"

Never has a truer word been spoken! Finally we have some honesty from you. 

The Cat

As always your quote is as reliable as your play evaluation during games - absolutely false and useless.   You left out the key statement - so I will put it back in directly.   It is your absurdaties that I collect and that amuse me.   You apparently do not realize that lunatics regard themseleves as the only sane people on earth.   When 95% support issues on the basis of fact - then the 5% like you are true representatives of the lunatic fringe on this Board.