I posted this in Beenos Trumpet but it deserves further exposure.
An English argues this is the greatest TEAM ever and one of the best coached sides ever.
Poor ou Mozzie will be in a froth again digging up some irrelevant stats to make a jackass if himself. Mozzie can't and won't see the many positives.
Take a look as the guy argues his case.
Really true cmments - Erasnmus is the greatest coach SA ever had and the changes he brought about is that only a top rugby genius will achieve.
As he said he's young and it was to 74 Lions, not the 1970 ones.
I will still however go with the 1937 Springboks who toured Australia and New Zealand victorious.
Duplication .
Duplication .
Rugby has developed since the 1930's the teams then was geat at the time - but that was before the RWC comptition started in 1987 and rugby became a professional game in 1995-96. With modern communication and travelling invlved tems nw played around 13 tests a year in the 1970's the number of tests played per year was less than half of what it is now. The first test I saw was wen teh AB's played in Cape Town in I think in 1954 and after 1960 I saw virtually all tests played in Johannesburg in the 1960's in Pretoria and Johannesburg. So I can remember fairly well players from the 1970's and although rik du Preez was a great he was very samll compared to the size and weight of the pesent players.
By the way Monnrover - I met the Nel bothers one of whcih was regarded as a giant by the Nw Zealand Press in 1937-38 - he was 6'1" tall and weighed 102 kg 's. Piet Spiere Du Toit in the 1950's was a top class prop being also 6'1" and weighing 106 kgs. He would have been a midget if he plays at present. .
Take a good at the weight of the French front row. They had a bigger pack weight and backs also were bigger.
I would so have liked to see Lood and Marx in the tight five. Also as well as Kriel played I also wonder what Am would have done.
One thing that struck me was how alert the Boks were.
Best pressure kicker ever…in general play we lost all 3playoffs.
We lost all three matches - yet the scoreboard indicats otherwise. Are you really that stupid?
Lomp would have weakened the Boks defense without adding anything. Am could have made the Boks better if we actually passed the ball, which wasn’t the game plan.
It’s quite simple…if the opposing kickers kicked at the same success rate as our kicker, we lost all 3 games. It’s not a debate.
IF my auntie had BALLS she would have been my UNCLE. You really are an idiotic self-opnionat ed BSter.
If you say greatest coached team.. ja... The 1937 Boks didn't have a coach going into the last test. They telegrammed home asking for a strategy. Reply came... Scrum, scrum, scrum.
They did and won the decider.... those days you could opt for a scrum instead of a line-out... which they did throughout.
Those humdingers over in New Zealand seem to have gripped me much more than any of our local games against them. Something special.
So is this based on just the Rudy world cup or over a larger space of time were the core of the team was the same.
If not just the rugby world cup the ABS team of 2015 without a doubt.
ABS of 2023 were one of our worst (as many of you stated many times and I agree) you beat us by 1 point with over 40 minutes of play a man up.
A GOAT team should have put 20 points on us in those circumstances.
Don't get me wrong the Boks of 2023 are a great team but to be the GOAT you have to show it over a sustained period.
Have to disagree with that, we have what, one truly world class player in Ardie Savea, how many of this team would walk into the 2012 to 2015 team?
Our coach was our biggest issue, he appeared to have little idea of what he was trying to achieve and as such over the last 4 years we played as we had no game plan.
Hopefully with Razor that will change but it will take a couple of years I think to rebuild.
We played that final better than I expected given our track record and with a little more luck and our captain not having a major brain fart (he did the same in the super rugby handing the Crusaders the trophy on a plate)
Anyway Boks deserved the win and congratulations but GOAT I am not so sure.
But they were unable to produce under pressure….Pollard made every kick. Ramos and Savea missed crucial kicks under pressure.
Their teams’ general play created those opportunities….they didn’t deliver, Pollard did, that was the difference.
Did Savea have a kick at goal in the final? That is news to me.
Pretty sure he has never done that in any team he has played for.
Think you mean Barret?
"...Ramos and Savea missed crucial kicks under pressure."
WTF???
Sorry I got Savea on the brain thinking about your comment that he was the only AB who would make the 2015 team. Meant Mo’unga. The Barrett kick was hard, but Pollard made a few of those long range bombs in the playoffs.
The Boks kicked 4 out 4. NZ kicked 2 out 4. Five points left on the table.
Out of interest which team do you rate as one of our worst?
You've got a more than fair point about Pollard...with which I agree, but there were lots of vital moments, not only his kicks...all the tries and Kolbe's charge downs...lots of vital tackles and scrums...we should be celebrating for the next 4 years!!!
This clip starts by showing that Ireland, France and NZ had the most players selected in a Workd 15. The Boks only got 1. Etzebeth.
In my view the Boks have three world class players. Marx, Etzebeth and Du Toit.
Arguments could be made for Faf, Kolbe and Willemse.
However only Etzebeth made the Workd 15.
The argument is that the Boks are the best TEAM ever. They won with a squad that did not have as much talent as other sides. He argues that Ireland and France have the best sides they have ever had.
It was great teamwork that won the day and innovative coaching etc.
All poor Mozzie can see it that Pollard nailed his kicks. The contribution of the other players is not a factor in tbe buffoons eyes. Yes even those who scored tries etc. It was all thanks to Pollard.
Mozzie has lost it. He is unraveling fast.
The fact you won without Marx makes it even more special.
World class hooker but hard to be included in rwc XV when he didn't play.
You can only play what's in front of you but 2015 ABS would win 8 or 9 out of 10 games against that squad.
All a bit pointless really as we will never know what would happen on any given day.
Just celibate a great win, that's the beauty of sport.
2015 Whitelock over Scooter.
Both absolute legends to me.
Jaws and Whitelock the best combo locks we have ever fielded.
Same with Snakey and Nonu, maybe not the best individualy but as a combo best in the world.
...was a great team and we gave them a good go in the semi...
This Bok team isn't the greatest team ever, but it is a great team with something extra...and lotsa potential room for improvement. ..some rare never say die attitude...worthy champions...Ire, France, NZ and South Africa all close to the same level with Scotty and the Poms only a short step behind...closest top 6 ever...bodes good for rugga.
Bench wasn't great, one strength we always had was a strong bench but that one lacks a bit of punch compared to most.
Bloody hell John Afoa, he played a couple of games for the Crusaders in 2022.
Agree Dradd, as much as I love winning by 50 points, sport is always more enjoyable when the result hangs by a thread.
The way sport should be.