Argentina in fact has beaten the Boks prior to this year in Durban

3 April 1982
South Africa  12 - 21 South American Jaguars Try: Gerber
Con: Botha
Pen: Botha 2

Try: Porta
Con: Porta
Pen: Porta 4
Drop: Porta
Free State Stadium, Bloemfontein
Attendance: 21.000
Referee: S.Strydom (SARB)




South Africa
South American Jaguars Johan Heunis FB 15 FB Eduardo Sanguinetti Ray Mordt W 14 W Guillermo Varone Danie Gerber C 13 C Marcelo Loffreda Willie du Plessis C 12 C Rafael Madero Carel du Plessis W 11 W Alejandro Puccio Naas Botha FH 10 FH Hugo Porta (capt.) Divan Serfontein SH 9 SH Alfredo Soares Gache (capt.) Wynand Claassen N8 8 N8 Ernesto Ure Burger Geldenhuys F 7 F Mario Negri Rob Louw F 6 F Jorge Allen Louis Moolman L 5 L Carlos Bottarini Theuns Stofberg L 4 L Eliseo Branca Hempies du Toit P 3 P Serafin Dengra Willie Kahts H 2 H Andres Courreges Ockie Oosthuizen P 1 P Pablo Devoto

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If we are honest we must acknowledge this as a fact...the name change from Jaguars to Pumas does not bear any relation to the actual ingredient of players under Hugo Porta in Bloemfontein test in 1982.

Jaguars they were called simply because the touring squad had players from Uruguay, Chile and Paraquay but the truth is that in that particular side...THEY WERE ALL ARGENTINIAN.

For me it's dishonest to claim that they never beat the Boks before this year because that just is not true. A name change means squat in this case.

The 1982 South American Jaguars rugby union tour of South Africa was a series of seven matches played by the South American Jaguars rugby union team in South Africa in March and April 1982. The South American team won six of their tour matches, suffering only a single defeat to the South Africa national rugby union team. The South American team's 21-12 victory over South Africa in the second international was a major shock and described by Rothmans Rugby Yearbook as "a phenomenon of international rugby".[1]

The touring team comprised 42 players, including some from the Chile national rugby union team, Uruguay national rugby union team and Paraguay national rugby union team but the players who took part in the two international fixtures were drawn entirely from the Argentina national rugby union team and were described as "effectively the Pumas".[1]

 The Jaguers were not an Argentinian side - althopugh most players came from Argentina - they also included players from Chile and Uruguay - so not reall an Argentinian side.  

 Looks like a duck ,walks like a duck and quacks like a duck the it must be a . ..Puma !!

 I mentioned that exact game in another thread some time ago, when Naas' opinions about the coaching situation, SA Rugby etc, was under discussion. Fact is that three current very vocal "personalities" were playing in that game and one of them was the captain, i.e. Divan Serfontein, Wynand Claassen and Naas Botha himself.
Interestingly, Serfontein has not been actively involved in rugby for ages while Claassen's son is actually playing in France and has moved to France on advice of his old  man. And that was years ago, that Claassen advised his son to play in France with the idea of "making his way up in the ranks. Why has he only now decided that it is time to act and "save" SA rugby? 

So in October 2007 Claassen arrived in France.

‘I didn’t have a definite plan when I arrived,’ says Claassen. ‘My dad had told me to join Marmande, train hard and work my way up through the ranks. As it turned out, things happened much quicker for me than I imagined.’

I'm afraid Mike you are missing the point.

The fact was that in that specific test they were ALL from Argentina...there was not one from Uruguay, Chile or Paraquay...same can be argued in a different context...with name changes in cricket from Springboks to Proteas...it's a nonsense technicality that bears no relation to what was actual or fact.

 Seb, don't stuff  up a nice argument with facts, mate. 

 Good one Wardad...couldn't have said it better...an All Black can play in a white jersey or pink for that matter (yikes) but will still be an All Black.

Oh, I see facts don't carry on this forum...only crazy ramblings of shell shocked junkies...looking for pots of gold at the end of the rainbow...

Can I also offer you a glass of my saki?

 Seb
I was just mentioning the technicality - not changing the fact.   It wont be recorded as sucb officially - but you are in fact correct.
I can remember Hugo Porta as in fact one of the best flyhalfs ever -  I have seen Porta and Carter play and in the team context Porta was really extra special.  Lets me be explicit - Porta played ain a weakish team - Carter in a top team.  Porta was to my mind a better technician as Carter as a flyhalf and that says a lot.  
People who have not seen him playing would disagree, but those like myself - who have seen him thinks he is extra special.    

Yip...DC is class and absolute but Hugo Porta was born in the wrong era of rugby...this was imho the most classy and talented of all fly halves...we ramble on for hours but in all honesty they are twins elevated and I'm positive that both would not be slighted in the least to be compared and share the honours, in fact might well be flattered to be compared because they were warriors of honour and played with no false pretensions.

We are not endowed to separate these men.

Hail on DC and HP!