FIXTURESNo upcoming fixtures — check back soon.
FORUM / RUGBY /  Big is better and ou Alistair needs to wake up

Big is better and ou Alistair needs to wake up

Started by Beeno116 REPLIES304 VIEWS· 29 May 2015, 21:31
SHAREXFACEBOOKWHATSAPPTELEGRAMREDDITLINKEDIN
BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
29 May 2015, 21:31
#1
29 May 2015, 21:31#1

Coetzee needs a wake up big time. He still doesnt know what he is dealing with.

Card also seems confused on the issue. The sides in the super  are all fielding big backlines when comapred to the wee Stormers midget backline.


Beeno of course noted all this more than a decade ago and also warned that Oz would tap into these Polynesian backs and turn the tables on the kiwis - which is happeneing as we see OZ sides beating the kiwis again and again.


Polynesian forwards are a bit pap but their backs are good and you need to put in place backlines that can stop them  - not little oaks who get flattened.


Ex Sport 24


The sight of strapping Fijian players muscling their way to the top of the Sevens Series table emphasises a long-running trend in rugby.

Around the world, especially in New Zealand, Australia and France, coaches seem to have decided that “big is better”. This has led to the phenomenon of dreadnought wingers being picked to wreak havoc out wide.

Many of these human battering rams are Fijians, as coaches seek the amazing ball and running skills of the islanders – and they are hard to stop close to the try line.

It seems every team wants a Jonah Lomu – the imposing All Black who made such an impact at the 1995 rugby World Cup.

Lomu, weighing in at 120kg and standing at 1.96m, was considered a freak when he arrived on the scene.

Rugby’s first truly global superstar was as big as most forwards and also possessed genuine speed as well as the swerving and stepping normally associated with smaller, nippier runners.

Much was made of Lomu’s size and ability to shrug off or simply trundle over would-be tacklers (think England’s Mike Catt in the 1995 rugby World Cup semifinal), but he was also hard to contain because he moved so quickly.

These are the attributes of current Fijian Sevens players and it seems every team now wants a big crash-baller on the wing.

There have been many instances of oversized runners doing well in the 15-man game, such as Joeli Vidiri, Rupeni Caucaunibuca, Joe Rokocoko, Lote Tuqiri and Wendell Sailor.

A recent addition who is making an impact is a man mountain with a tongue twister of a name, Taqele Naiyaravoro.

Naiyaravoro comes in at 1.96m, weighs 120kg and has been labelled “the new Lomu” since breaking into the Waratahs side.

He was born in Fiji but left the islands to seek his rugby fortunes in Australia. The 23-year-old started his career by playing in the rugby league but, having been schooled in his country’s Sevens culture that is an offshoot of the union, he jumped at the chance to join the Waratahs.

Naiyaravoro is hoping to resolve visa problems that might impede his possible inclusion in Australian national teams and perhaps prevent him from touring South Africa with the Tahs towards the end of Super Rugby.

But he has now provided administrators with an interesting dilemma.

Naiyaravoro has been offered a contract by Edinburgh containing a clause that he cannot be picked for an Australian team.

In other words, the Scots want him – but not if he is selected for the Wallabies because that would make him ineligible for Scotland.

Nemani Nadolo (1.94m, 125kg) of the Crusaders – arguably the biggest of all the musclemen – was joint top try scorer (with another big bloke in Israel Folau) in last year’s Super Rugby competition.

Coach Todd Blackadder described Nadolo as his team’s “game breaker” but must have been surprised when the Highlanders, the Crusaders’ south island neighbours, produced a blockbuster of their own.

Waisake Naholo, at 1.86m and 98kg, is smaller than some of his countrymen but is currently the top try scorer in Super Rugby with eight (before this weekend’s matches). He makes up for his smaller stature by having a low centre of gravity, speed and strength.

The Highlanders have another massive Fijian, Patrick Osborne (1.89m, 105kg) on the other wing.

Naholo has also held back from accepting a Fiji cap and recently signed with Clermont Auvergne, where he will join up with another XXL Fijian, Napolioni Nalaga – the French apparently having waived any pretence of nationalism in the interests of club success.

Other Fijians Waisea Vuidravuwalu (Stade Français) and Isikeli Davetawalu (Perpignan) are also plying their trade in France.

The All Blacks’ Julian Savea, considered by many the best wing in world rugby, has been compared to Lomu but has been at pains to try to shake off the mantle.

He is not as big as some, but at 1.93m and 108kg, his prolific try scoring has often been superb because he is so hard to stop.

The Welsh have a pair of Goliaths on either wing in George North (1.94m, 109kg) and Alex Cuthbert (1.98m, 105kg) while South Africa’s JP Pietersen (1.90m, 98kg) is bigger than most realise

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
29 May 2015, 22:21
#2
29 May 2015, 22:21#2
Beeno
If you watch the Fiji and other Sevens teams it would confirm that your above comments are correct.   The big players from the islands are strong and heavy and fast as well
You can only field a very limited number of smaller backline players in the present era.   However, we are slowly getting into the modern era with players like De Allende and Vorster coming through at center.   Both are well over 100kgs in weight and tall to boot.   Pollard is a big boy himself - in the same class as the other two.  On the wing you need speed and that big players like Van Wyk has as well.
Our problem in reality is that  Mozart and Letsa are punting the wrong players for center.   The constantly talk about size - but do not want to accept that in the cases of Francois Steyn and even the moderate JP Pietersen - they may have the size, but they do not have the pace - they are also clumsy as well.     
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
30 May 2015, 00:11
#3
30 May 2015, 00:11#3
Hahahahahaha.....who do you want Andre Esterhuizen. Best thing that happened to the Sharks is when he was exiled onto the wing and the much more dangerous Heimar Williams got on the park. And de Jongh would have put away Speith.
DE
DezertFoxPro2,288 posts
30 May 2015, 00:26
#4
30 May 2015, 00:26#4
DA can't defend. It's all there in the videos, he gets run over and breaten time and again. The smaller Stormers are the better defenders. Heck, Kolbe dumped Higgingbottom on his backside! 
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
30 May 2015, 01:10
#5
30 May 2015, 01:10#5
 Sh!t - this is crazy.  Steyn can't defend - neither can he attack.  De Allende have defense deficiencies - but at least he compensates for that by being a ten times better attacking player than toothless FAT Fransie.  
Letsallbemorons is in great form - being the most stupid contributor on this site ever since his return from self-imposed exile because of rank stupidity.  He gets more bird-brained every time he runs off and comes back.   
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
30 May 2015, 01:28
#6
30 May 2015, 01:28#6
 Mozart 
What can anybody do to help this crazy old fool and get him to know rugby.  He cannot see either and did not realize that when Ndungane was benched, Pietersen went to the wing and Esterhuizen moved to 13.  This is a hopeless case where a member of this site does not know the difference between playing at wing and playing at outside center.
As to me wanting Esterhuizen - that is crazy.   I wrote the truth about the situation. I wrote that Fat Fransie will not be missed and that was proven comprehensively last night.  Fransie is slower, clumsier and more c umbersome than Esterhuizen - so the latter beats him in every aspect of center play.   It is definitely not difficult to be a better center than Fat Fransie is.      
DE
DezertFoxPro2,288 posts
30 May 2015, 01:33
#7
30 May 2015, 01:33#7
Ten times better? How did you you arrive at the number 10? Why not 11,6 or 20? 
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
30 May 2015, 01:38
#8
30 May 2015, 01:38#8
 This is crazy - De Allende broke through Fransie and the latter landed on his backside twice in the process.   He broke through Williams the same way and beat players at 12 regularly and with ease - but Letsal makes a crazy statement as is his normal.   
DE
DezertFoxPro2,288 posts
30 May 2015, 01:45
#9
30 May 2015, 01:45#9
Crazy? The Stormers attack is struggling Michael. One of the biggest problems has the name Damian. 
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
30 May 2015, 01:51
#10
30 May 2015, 01:51#10
 The Stormers struggling because of De Allende?  I heard it all now.  Go and take some rugby lessons - maybe you will learn something about the game.    
DE
DezertFoxPro2,288 posts
30 May 2015, 01:59
#11
30 May 2015, 01:59#11
 And what is it you can teach me Michael?
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
30 May 2015, 02:12
#12
30 May 2015, 02:12#12
 You are a hopeless case.   Nobody can ever teach you anything - because nothing ever gets through your thick skull.  You constantly put video clips on this site and then gives the most ridiculous interpretations on what happens on the field of play.  After that you say you have triumphed over reality.     
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
30 May 2015, 02:22
#13
30 May 2015, 02:22#13
Mike your mission, even late in life is to learn. Teaching presumes you know something.  
BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
30 May 2015, 10:58
#14
30 May 2015, 10:58#14
 Mike I think the good Dr Mozzzzz and ou Card are taking the P*ss 
Its all very obvious that the Stormers microlight backline is a problem as Mallet said on the box recently.Their defence of the hapless wee victor falls into the same catergory and shows a lack of appreciation of rugby fundamentals.
Damian's defence is just fine. He is immensely strong in contact. 
I think everyone, bar a very few confused oaks, realise that small backs are to be avoided and only the most brilliant considered. They simply cant cut it. The big guys are as fast skilfful etc.  
DE
DezertFoxPro2,288 posts
30 May 2015, 11:10
#15
30 May 2015, 11:10#15
Well, as I have observed the lighter players in their backline are tackling more securely! 
BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
30 May 2015, 11:44
#16
30 May 2015, 11:44#16
Sorry Card I have not seen Dallende as being weak on defence. He is currently a Bok cert and has been widely hailed.
DE
DezertFoxPro2,288 posts
30 May 2015, 12:00
#17
30 May 2015, 12:00#17
 I posted a video of it, and I did deal with his Bok tests. Same problems surface.
— END OF THREAD —

More from Rugby

More news